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FDA Aiming To Give Full Approval To Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Next Week (RT)
FDA To Grant Full Approval To Pfizer Vaccine Without Public Discussion (BMJ)
Development Of Safe And Effective Covid-19 Vaccines (Nature)
Vaccinated Man Dies In Florida, Daughters Urge People To Get Vaccinated (Hill)
World First Plasmid DNA Covid-19 Vaccine Gets Emergency Approval In India (RT)
Director Of Yale University Research Center About Ivermectin (CdS)
French Businesses Are Refusing to Enforce Vaccine Passport (SN)
Almost 9 In 10 Britons Likely Or Very Likely To Go For Covid Booster Shot (RT)
The Heebie-Jeebies of August (Kunstler)
2020: A Propaganda Masterpiece 2: Divide and Conquer (Perspectives on the Pandemic)
Dr. Peter McCullough (1 of 2) | Episode #19 (Perspectives on the Pandemic)

 

 

Quite the paradox. That not even everybody recognizes.

 

 

 

 

In Canada, 15 people <19 have died with Covid. So 10 million must be jabbed.

And remember what Yeadon said:

 

 

 

 

How little managers become mass murderers.

FDA Aiming To Give Full Approval To Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Next Week (RT)

The FDA will give full authorization to Pfizer’s Covid jab sometime next week, according to multiple reports, putting it on track to be the first in the US to get approval and likely paving the way for additional vaccine mandates. The US regulator is expected to give the greenlight for Pfizer’s immunization in the coming days, the New York Times and Politico reported on Friday, citing several “people familiar” with the agency’s planning. Though the FDA still has a “substantial amount of paperwork and negotiation with the company” to get through, it could give full approval as soon as Monday, the Times added. It was previously reported that the FDA hoped to grant authorization before Labor Day on September 6, and now appears set to meet that informal deadline.

With a number of hospital systems and universities around the US signaling plans to mandate vaccinations against Covid-19 upon full approval, the move is likely to trigger a spate of new requirements around the country. The US military, moreover, has also said it would compel immunizations for its 1.3 million active-duty troops by the middle of next month, but could do so sooner should the FDA give its blessing to Pfizer. While the Joe Biden administration previously suggested the president would issue a waiver to allow vaccine mandates for soldiers, it decided to hold off until regulators signed off.

Reports of the FDA’s plans come soon after the White House began promoting booster shots for all fully vaccinated adults, citing US health agencies, which noted the immunizations are losing effectiveness over time, particularly against more infectious Delta mutation. While the FDA hasn’t yet approved third doses for all healthy Americans, the agency did give the go-ahead for those with compromised immune systems, while Pfizer recently submitted its initial trial data for universal boosters. Health officials have voiced hopes that full approval for the Covid jabs could improve vaccination numbers in the US, which have been losing pace since hitting a peak in April. Recent polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed that more than 30% of respondents would be “more likely” to be vaccinated if the FDA authorized the shots, suggesting the move could indeed spur immunizations.

On August 5 (last update), this was still up on clinicaltrials.gov for the Pfizer trials:

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They don’t want anyone to see the paperwork.

FDA To Grant Full Approval To Pfizer Vaccine Without Public Discussion (BMJ)

Transparency advocates have criticised the US Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) decision not to hold a formal advisory committee meeting to discuss Pfizer’s application for full approval of its covid-19 vaccine. Last year the FDA said it was “committed to use an advisory committee composed of independent experts to ensure deliberations about authorisation or licensure are transparent for the public.”1 But in a statement, the FDA told The BMJ that it did not believe a meeting was necessary ahead of the expected granting of full approval. “The FDA has held numerous meetings of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) related to covid-19 vaccines, including a 22 October 2020 meeting to discuss, in general, the development, authorisation, and licensure of covid-19 vaccines,” an FDA spokesperson said.

“The FDA also has held meetings of the VRBPAC on all three covid-19 vaccines authorised for emergency use and does not believe a meeting is needed related to this biologics license application.” The spokesperson added, “The Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine was discussed at the VRBPAC meeting on 10 December 2020.3 If the agency had any questions or concerns that required input from the advisory committee members we would have scheduled a meeting to discuss.” The vaccine has already been rolled out to millions of Americans through an emergency use authorisation. Companies typically apply for full approval after a longer period has elapsed so that more data are available for review.

But with the US government indicating this week that it plans to start making booster shots widely available next month, experts said the decision not to meet to discuss the data was politically driven. Kim Witczak, a drug safety advocate who serves as a consumer representative on the FDA’s Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee,4 said the decision removed an important mechanism for scrutinising the data. “These public meetings are imperative in building trust and confidence especially when the vaccines came to market at lightning speed under emergency use authorisation,” she said. “The public deserves a transparent process, especially as the call for boosters and mandates are rapidly increasing. These meetings offer a platform where questions can be raised, problems tackled, and data scrutinised in advance of an approval.”

Witczak is one of the more than 30 signatories of a citizen petition5 calling on the FDA to refrain from fully approving any covid-19 vaccine this year to gather more data. She warned that without a meeting “we have no idea what the data looks like.” “It is already concerning that full approval is being based on 6 months’ worth of data despite the clinical trials designed for two years,” she said. “There is no control group after Pfizer offered the product to placebo participants before the trials were completed. “Full approval of covid-19 vaccines must be done in an open public forum for all to see. It could set a precedent of lowered standards for future vaccine approvals.”

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October 2020.

Development Of Safe And Effective Covid-19 Vaccines (Nature)

In the 1960s, scientists found that antiviral antisera might result in an exceptional increase in viral infectivity of animal viruses. This phenomenon that viral infection can be enhanced by internalization associated with antibody Fc receptors (FcRs), denoted as ‘antibody-dependent enhancement’ (ADE; Box 1), was then widely reported in infections with flaviviruses and other viruses. Later, more antibody FcR-mediated effects, such as complement activation and release of inflammatory cytokines, were reported to be involved in severer disease. ADE has also been observed in vaccinated animals after viral challenge with the corresponding virus.

For example, cats immunized with a vaccine expressing the feline infectious peritonitis virus (FIPV) S protein on a recombinant pox virus vector died earlier than control animals when challenged with FIPV25. Given that passive immunization with feline serum containing high-titre antibodies reactive with feline FIPV also resulted in a more rapid disease after FIPV challenge, the vaccine-induced disease exacerbation may be attributed to ADE. Apart from ADE, type 2 T helper cell (TH2 cell)-based immunopathologic responses induced by homologous viral challenge after vaccination could also result in disease exacerbation.

In this Perspective, we use the term ‘vaccine-associated disease enhancement’ (VADE; Box 1) to describe both antibody-dependent and TH2 cell-dependent disease exacerbation (Fig. 1). We summarize examples of VADE in the history of the development of vaccines against respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), dengue virus (DENV), SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), each of which provides clues for safe COVID-19 vaccine development and highlights the need for rigorous preclinical and clinical safety testing.

There have been warnings that ADE should be fully evaluated for coronavirus vaccines to avoid repeating the tragic failure of the RSV vaccine. The first RSV vaccine, based on formalin-inactivated RSV (FI-RSV), entered a clinical trial in 1965, a time when several other inactivated or attenuated virus-based vaccines had already been successfully developed, such as vaccines against smallpox and polio. The FI-RSV vaccine was well tolerated and appeared to be moderately immunogenic at first. However, instead of protecting study participants, the FI-RSV vaccine exhibited a paradoxical disease-strengthening effect (enhanced respiratory disease (ERD); Box 1) during subsequent natural RSV infection. Among the 20 infants who received the FI-RSV vaccine, 16 required hospitalization, including two who subsequently died, whereas only one of the 21 participants in the control group was hospitalized. The FDA then urgently suspended all clinical studies of RSV vaccines.

Vaccination induces humoral and cellular immune response in immunized individuals. In the normal condition, when the homologous virus enters an immunized body, it will be neutralized or cleared by vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies (Abs) or specific T cells, respectively. In the context of vaccine-associated disease enhancement, vaccines mainly induce non-neutralizing Abs or low titres of neutralizing Abs (suboptimal concentration) or type 2 T helper cell (TH2 cell)-biased T cell responses. When these vaccinated individuals are challenged by homotypic or heterotypic serotype viruses, the antibodies will immediately recognize the viruses and mediate antibody-dependent disease exacerbation in two ways. First, virus–antibody complexes might enter Fc receptor (FcR)-bearing cells, such as dendritic cells and monocytes, by FcR-mediated internalization, which is termed ‘antibody-dependent enhancement’ (ADE). For viruses with innate tropism for FcR-bearing cells, such as dengue virus, ADE will result in higher viral loads than in conditions without antibodies.

a | After entry, the virus, no matter whether it replicates or does not replicate, may activate a harmful immune response, resulting in the release of proinflammatory cytokines. b | Aside from ADE, antibody–antigen complexes can stimulate the complement pathway through activation of the C1q pathway, thus further strengthening the inflammatory responses c | Vaccine-associated disease enhancement can also involve a TH2 cell-biased immune response. The activated TH2 cells contribute to the activation of antibody production. However, they release interleukin-4 (IL-4), IL-13 and IL-5, as well as eosinophil chemoattractant, thus resulting in eosinophil infiltration and proinflammatory cytokine production in the lung. d | Natural killer (NK) cells and CD8+ cytotoxic T lymphocytes (CTLs) are poorly stimulated in TH2 cell-skewed immune responses. The exaggerated cytokine release (part b), activation of the complement pathway (part c) and the excessive mobilization of eosinophils all contribute to the infiltration of the lung by eosinophils, neutrophils and lymphocytes, and production of inflammatory cytokines (part d), leading to acute lung injury or acute respiratory distress syndrome.

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Tragic, of course it is. But:

Blame unvaccinated people, blame Florida all you want. The vaccine still didn’t work. How do you not reach that conclusion?

And his doctor is a doofus who says there’s a “one-in-a-million” chance of a “breaktrough” infection. He should get informed. There’s an every hour, if not more.

Vaccinated Man Dies In Florida, Daughters Urge People To Get Vaccinated (Hill)

A fully vaccinated man who resided in a Florida retirement home died from COVID-19. His daughters wrote an obituary urging people to get vaccinated and blame the state for his life ending. Clark Allen died on July 22 after contracting a breakthrough case of COVID-19, a “one-in-a-million” chance, according to the man’s doctor. The surviving daughters of Clark Allen, Danielle and Nicole Allen-Gentile, expressed their anger in an obituary about how their father could have been infected and said his death was preventable, The Washington Post reported. America is changing faster than ever! Add Changing America to your Facebook or Twitter feed to stay on top of the news.

“He was infected by someone who chose to not get vaccinated and his death was preventable,” the obituary reads. “It is the wish of his family that everyone get vaccinated in order to prevent further death, sickness and heartbreak.” The daughters also told The Washington Post that if their father were in a different state, they believe he wouldn’t have died. During the pandemic, Clark Allen’s two daughters — along with their five siblings — debated whether their father should be in an assisted living home in Florida or Connecticut. The daughters received a blunt message from a Connecticut home: “You need to get him out of Florida. He will die in Florida,” The Washington Post reports. The daughters speculate that he contracted the virus from an unvaccinated person at Carlisle Palm Beach, an assisted living facility in Lantana, Fla.

Allen reportedly took the virus very seriously, paying close attention to public health measures as he had chronic obstructive pulmonary disease that could make a possible infection more severe, according to the Tampa Bay Times, which first shared the story. “It was a relief when he got vaccinated, but the reality was he was around a lot of unvaccinated people,” Danielle Allen, who lives in Portland, Ore., told The Post. “I’m attempting to not be very angry at unvaccinated people and it’s become extremely difficult. We’re all really angry and struggling.” In response to the claim, a spokesperson for Senior Lifestyle, the company that operates Carlisle Palm Beach, told The Post that its facility implements safety measures provided by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and “other expert sources and health authorities.”

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“The system delivers medicine to intramuscular and subcutaneous tissue depths without needles, which may prove particularly useful in a world competing for needles and syringes.”

World First Plasmid DNA Covid-19 Vaccine Gets Emergency Approval In India (RT)

India’s drug regulator has approved a three-dose Covid-19 vaccine which uses plasmid DNA technology developed by indigenous drugmaker Zydus Cadila, after trials indicated it was 66.6% effective. On Friday, the Drug Controller General of India gave the green light to Zydus Cadila’s Covid-19 vaccine. The inoculation, now the sixth such to be approved in India, has received Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for use in adults and children aged 12 and above. The generic drugmaker, which applied for authorization of its three-dose vaccine in July, enlisted 28,000 volunteers into its trial. Data from the late-stage trial suggested the jab was 66.6% effective at preventing symptomatic Covid-19.

The vaccine, known as ZyCoV-D, is the world’s first vaccine against Covid-19 that uses plasmid DNA technology. It works by injecting genetically-engineered plasmid containing the DNA sequence of the pathogen. Cadila’s vaccine was developed in partnership with India’s Department of Biotechnology and is the second home-grown shot to be approved for use against Covid-19; the first being Bharat Biotech’s Covaxin jab. Instead of traditional syringes, the vaccine is administered using a needle-free applicator. The system delivers medicine to intramuscular and subcutaneous tissue depths without needles, which may prove particularly useful in a world competing for needles and syringes.

Cadila has already started stockpiling its vaccine and hopes to make 100 million to 120 million doses every year, enough for 40 million people, the company’s managing director told Reuters in April. Despite being one of the world’s largest vaccine manufacturers, India’s Covid-19 inoculation program has fallen flat amid a shortage of shots. Delhi has been pushing for ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat’, a Hindi phrase roughly translating as ‘self-reliant India’, in a number of fields, including defense technology and medical products. The vaccination program was meant to reflect India’s self-reliance and burgeoning manufacturing capacity in the medical and pharmaceutical industry.

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Google translate. Like his description of the “mechanisms” of both the virus and IVM.

Director Of Yale University Research Center About Ivermectin (CdS)

Ivermectin has more than one potentially effective mechanism of action against Covid 19. A major one is its ability to adhere to the Coronavirus Spike1 protein at various strategic points used by the virus to bind and enter our cells. For this reason, unlike monoclonal antibodies, it can act against all variants. By doing so, you prevent the virus from attaching itself to ACE2, which is the main gateway for the virus to enter our cells, and this allows it to reduce the virus’s ability to enter our body. If Covid stays outside of our cells, it becomes easy prey for our immune system, which can get rid of it much more easily. It is important to note that the protein docking region of the virus, the spike spikes, binds not only to our ACE2 receptors, but also to other docking receptors that are very important to the virus, those that depend on sialic acid, Receptor CD147 and on a cholinergic receptor called a7nAChr. I don’t want to get into technicalities, but this premise helps us understand how Covid attacks our body.

Once it has entered our lungs and damaged them, the virus enters the blood and travels through our body carried by red blood cells and platelets that are found in large quantities in our blood. Today we know that the virus attaches itself to red blood cells and platelets because both are coated with sialic acid receptors and CD147 and thanks to this it invades all blood vessels until it is “released” into the endothelium (the inner part of our blood vessels ). ) and then causes systemic vasculitis, which is why most of us are ultimately unable to overcome the infection. When the virus replicates within the endothelial cells of the vessels, it inflames them and creates sticky aggregates of red blood cells and platelets – dense masses,Small clots that initially hamper cause circulation in small vessels (capillaries), but then progressively swell and block larger and larger vessels. When this happens in the lungs, it causes a lack of oxygen that therefore damages all our organs such as the brain, liver, kidneys and heart, especially in the elderly, diabetics and people with previous diseases.

The mechanism by which the virus moves in the blood also explains why Covid is more lethal in people with high glucose levels, such as diabetics and prediabetics. The reason is because the receptors made of sialic acid and CD147 are basically zuccheri. In a diabetic, these sialic acids are richer in sugar (glucose) and the virus sticks better and its systemic spread is even easier. This selectivity of the virus for the characteristics of some subjects is also given by blood groups, for example those with blood group A or B have red blood cells with a greater presence of sialic acid / sugars on the surface, while those with a Type 0 blood group, on the other hand, is less susceptible to the virus as it has less sialic acid / receptor that lines red blood cells and,therefore, the virus sticks less. Patients with diabetes or those with these blood groups (A and B) have a statistically more severe course of the disease.

One of the fundamental mechanisms by which ivermectin acts in patients is because it “puts a wall” (a shield) between our body (red blood cells, platelets and vessels) and the virus, and therefore no longer allows it to latch on in our cells. thus facilitating the flow of red blood cells that carry oxygen in the blood vessels. Ivermectin appears to be able to quickly break the link between the virus (Spike’s key) and its receptors (the ACE2 gate, sialic acids, the CD147 receptor, and a7nAChr), so patients miraculously begin to breathe and oxygenate properly again normally within 24- 48 hours. This is also what happens in the rest of the microcirculation of the whole body and leads to the rapid improvement of the functionality of the various organs.

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The protests will now grow fast. In many countries.

French Businesses Are Refusing to Enforce Vaccine Passport (SN)

Anecdotal evidence detailed by former Google software engineer Mike Hearn strongly suggests that most restaurants, cafes and other businesses in France are not enforcing the country’s controversial vaccine passport system. As we highlighted last week, on the first day the new program was in place, police were visibly patrolling bars and cafes demanding customers show proof they’ve had the jab. However, this seems to have largely been a bluff as just days later, businesses and venues have become very lax at checking people’s papers despite the threat of large fines. “I decided to do a simple experiment to find out: always present an expired test even though I had a valid negative one, and see what happens,” writes Hearn.

“Over a four day stay I was required to show a valid pass exactly zero times; that includes at the airports in both directions. Compliance is absolutely min viable and often lower.” “At small businesses enforcement was non-existent: sometimes the pass requirement was ignored entirely, other times we were asked “do you have a pass” and our answer wasn’t checked. One restaurant had come up with a clever way to detect police stings without requiring customers to actually present a pass. As expected, enforcement was stricter by larger firms, however even there we saw the following:

– Test certificates being checked once and then swapped for a token that doesn’t expire.
– Expired tests being accepted.
– People accepting paper test certificates without scanning them.
– Scanning tests and then not looking at the screen to see the results.
– Accepting QR codes that failed to scan.”

Hearn also reveals how mask mandates in theme parks and other venues are also not being followed, despite signs everywhere ordering people to cover their faces, while social distancing is also a “forgotten memory.” Images showing empty cafes and bars on the first day the system was introduced may have spooked venues into taking a hands off approach. In passing the law but failing to ensure that it is enforced, France is following the same model as Israel, where the point of introducing the system wasn’t really to enforce it, but merely as a means of bullying young people into getting the vaccine. As we highlighted last week, despite the odious and draconian nature of the vaccine passport system, President Macron asserted that the it was actually introduced to protect people’s “freedom,” which is like saying putting you in prison is for your own safety.


French Health Pass has space for 8 shots

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A country inhabited by spike protein reservoirs.

Almost 9 In 10 Britons Likely Or Very Likely To Go For Covid Booster Shot (RT)

Nearly 90% of people across the UK are “likely or very likely” to accept a third Covid-19 jab if offered, a new survey released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) has revealed. On Friday, the ONS released the latest data from its ongoing Opinions and Lifestyle Survey project, which found that a whopping 87% of respondents would be in favour of receiving a Covid booster shot. Older members of the population expressed more enthusiasm at the prospect of a third jab, with almost 96% of those aged 70 or over saying they would be “likely or very likely” to do so. The survey figure was lower for younger Britons in the 16 to 29 age-bracket, standing at 78%. Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Britain’s Health Secretary Sajid Javid said that the proposed booster scheme will likely start in September. Javid, however, did not pinpoint an exact date, citing that the government first needs final advice on the matter from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Inoculation (JCVI).


A handful of countries have already introduced a booster dose as part of their vaccination regimens. Serbia and Hungary began offering its citizens a third Covid shot earlier this month, while Israel continues to lower the eligible age for its booster jabs after rolling out the scheme at the end of July. The head of the WHO Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged nations to pause or delay issuing third shots in a bid to alleviate vaccine inequity between high and low income states. “WHO is calling for a moratorium on boosters until at least the end of September, to enable at least 10% of the population of every country to be vaccinated,” he implored the governments of richer nations. The JCVI last month recommended that all adults in the UK aged 50 and over, pensioners living in care homes, frontline workers, and anyone aged 16 and higher who is clinically vulnerable or immunocompromised should be offered a vaccine top-up this autumn.

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“Nobody is at the controls of this outfit as we sail into the fog.”

The Heebie-Jeebies of August (Kunstler)

Jimmy Carter was undone by a mere fifty-two hostages in Iran, 1979, but this fiasco is orders of magnitude greater. The Taliban could easily put an end to the whole question of extracting the thousands of Americans stuck in Af-stan just by firing a few RPG rounds onto the runway of Hamid Karzai International Airport. After that, would they go about the grisly business of beheading any Afghani who so much as took a stick of gum from an American?

“Graveyard of Empires,” indeed. Rome waited a few centuries to collapse but America seems to be demonstrating we can git’er done in just a couple of years. And, beyond these questions of global hegemony, there is the matter of what happens here in the so-called Homeland. The Covid-19 vaccine-and-masking hysteria is coming to a head. The school boards are getting an earful about race-based everything in the curriculum. Certain state governors and mayors seem determined to destroy what remains of small business. A mutiny is brewing against Bill de Blasio’s new semi-lockdown in New York City. Gavin Newsom is about to be tossed into the North Pacific Gyre.

Any moment, the Arizona election audit will issue a preliminary report, said to be shocking. Financial markets are in the wobble-zone. Supply lines are down for many parts of things needed to run daily life in this land. And millions are wondering anxiously now: what really are the latent effects of those jabs? Things are shaking loose all over the place. As Bob Dylan once said, the order is rapidly fading (and he’s even older than “Joe Biden.”) Everyone I know has got the heebie-jeebies. Nobody is at the controls of this outfit as we sail into the fog.

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Part 1 of this interview is in the August 4 Debt Rattle. Interesting voice.

2020: A Propaganda Masterpiece 2: Divide and Conquer (Perspectives on the Pandemic)

Mark Crispin Miller is Professor of Media, Culture and Communication at New York University. His research interests include modern propaganda, history and tactics of advertising, American film, and media ownership. He is the author of Boxed In: The Culture of TV; Seeing Through Movies; Mad Scientists: The Secret History of Modern Propaganda; Spectacle: Operation Desert Storm and the Triumph of Illusion; and The Bush Dyslexicon.

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And since we’re with Perspectives on the Pandemic, here’s part 1 of their piece with Peter McCullough.

Dr. Peter McCullough (1 of 2) | Episode #19 (Perspectives on the Pandemic)

Renowned physician and professor of medicine Dr. Peter McCullough describes early treatment protocols for COVID-19 that have saved countless lives… and the forces that have aligned themselves against their widespread adoption.

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  • #84836
    Germ
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    “U.K. Parliament Holds Joe Biden In Contempt Over Afghanistan”

    U.K. Parliament Holds Joe Biden In Contempt Over Afghanistan

    Pot. Kettle. Black!

    #84837
    Germ
    Participant

    #84838
    Michael Reid
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    News > Kaiser Health News
    ‘Tainted’ Blood: COVID Skeptics Request Blood Transfusions From Unvaccinated Donors

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/956729?src=WNL_mdpls_210820_mscpedit_nurs&uac=162102HR&spon=24&impID=3581811&faf=1

    #84839
    Germ
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    Reminder: Yale University did a psychological vaccine messaging study in July 2020.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04460703

    #84840
    those darned kids
    Participant

    thanks, germ. i’m frikkin’ votin’ 19 times this “election”, and it won’t be for that narcifascist, mr. trudeau.

    #84841
    Figmund Sreud
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    Justin Trudeau shows his fangs
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    Naw, … this sock-puppet just flaunts his socks. Yes! Just google “justin trudeau and his socks

    … an example:
    https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F08%2Ftrudeau-socks-e1566842763343.jpg%3Fquality%3D85%26strip%3Dall%26w%3D720&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F5814791%2Ftrudeau-melania-trump-socks-g7%2F&tbnid=kOv0rumwQa3NWM&vet=12ahUKEwjI0-aa0MLyAhVzBjQIHYNsAlUQMygdegUIARCcAg..i&docid=lRSSdfpTcNiM6M&w=720&h=589&q=justin%20trudeau%20and%20his%20socks&hl=en-ca&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwjI0-aa0MLyAhVzBjQIHYNsAlUQMygdegUIARCcAg

    F.S.

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    D Benton Smith
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    @deflationista
    ref : ” 70% of the recent calls to poison control in the state have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin . . . ”

    Point 1. You are a flat out liar, who altered ONE badly undocumented wire story out of Mississippi and added your own percentage number to make it sound official.
    Point 2. Since you obviously pulled the phoney percentage number out of your ass we must all wonder what else is up your ass other than your head and a ton of backlogged feces.
    Point 3. Consider yourself on notice. Raul tolerates you as a matter of policy principle. I am under no such constraints. I tolerate stupidity. I do NOT tolerate malice. One more lie like the one you just posted and I will take great delight in making your continued presence here a thing you deeply regret.

    #84843
    Germ
    Participant

    TAA is a Village.

    defaltionista is our Village Idiot.

    #84845
    phoenixvoice
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    “ The daughters speculate that he contracted the virus from an unvaccinated person at Carlisle Palm Beach, an assisted living facility in Lantana, Fla.”

    I’ve been watching The Orville with my teen children lately. I really appreciate this series created by Seth McFarlane. In some ways, it stays true to the Star Trek concept better than the recent ST series — most episodes tends to focus on some sort of moral or ethical dilemma, exploring aspects of the dilemma.

    Recently, we saw S2E5, All The World Is Birthday Cake. The setting is a “first contact” with a world that appears similar to 20th century earth, and has sent a message to the cosmos: “is anyone out there?” The meeting goes horribly awry due to some not immediately apparent huge cultural differences that result in the world imprisoning two crew members and refusing to return them. Neither side is capable of seeing the other side’s point of view.

    This time when I watched the episode I found it eerily reminded me of the social divides we see around us today regarding Covid and the vaccines.

    The email I sent yesterday garnered 5 replies.
    1 – was a choir member asking the music director what the current guidance was from the UUA (the centralized organization UU churches affiliate with, that accredits ministers, etc.)
    2 – the music director replied, giving the information, and suggesting we have a zoom meeting to discuss the issues live
    3 – private message from a choir member to me informing me that someone I knew had long Covid. (While this is saddening, the individual is also morbidly obese, and such folks often struggle with Covid.)
    4 – group message from a different choir member that her relative, a nurse, is suffering from long Covid. (*sigh* healthcare workers often get higher initial doses of virus exposure, leading to adverse outcomes.)
    5 – message to group from choir member suggesting that we should trust the church’s minister and board to make the decision, no democracy, because none of us have the requisite training to understand the science of the situation. He went on about reasons why we should be afraid and cautious, same sort of tropes as we’ve heard since March 2021.

    To the woman with the nurse relative with Covid I responded with information about clinical trials to treat it. I did the same for the woman I have found out that I know personally who has long Covid…she is not in this group, but I had her email address. I did not want the group to devolve into a written spat, so I sent the following:

    There is probably no point in quoting the opinions of “experts” and “authorities” to one another.
    Those that agree with the cited authority are going to experience confirmation bias. Those who don’t agree with the cited authority are going to experience cognitive dissonance. We’ll all experience frustration.

    However, as far as I know, I am the ONLY person I know of affiliated with <church> who doesn’t buy into the mainstream narrative regarding Covid,. Perhaps there are more of us out there. Because we do not meet in-person, I cannot easily discover this information. This is one of the pernicious side effects of “social distancing.”

    So allow me this last shout out to my friends in the choir: I believe it is very important to stand up for what I see is “right” and “true” and “just.” You may see other permutations of what is “right” and “true” and “just” and feel the need to stand up for those permutations.
    That is A-okay.
    I felt it important for anyone out there who is on the fence or dissenting to know, definitively that, if so, you are not alone.

    If anyone wants to contact me privately to chat, to share stories, to share music in person — feel free. I welcome it.

    No one has contacted me. I called the music director and had a pleasant chat. I feel some closure. I will move on. I feel sadness — this congregation was a welcoming place for me and my children for many years. If there are shifts in opinion, I am not adverse to meeting my friends there again. At least they know that “one of their own” dissents. Hopefully, if things get really crazy, none of them will betray me to the authorities. I hope it doesn’t come to that.

    I’m going to see if I can get to know the people on my street (there are 20 homes) better for the time being. This could be very beneficial for uncertainties ahead.

    #84846
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://file.wikileaks.org/file/&#8230
    404
    We are sorry, the file you have requested could not be found.

    Please wait few minutes and try again.

    #84847
    those darned kids
    Participant

    raúl: many, many thanks for the wikileaks link.

    #84848
    zerosum
    Participant

    Central retinal vein occlusion
    Retinal vein occlusion happens when a blood clot blocks the vein. Sometimes it happens because the veins of the eye are too narrow. It is more likely to occur in people with diabetes, and possibly high blood pressure, high cholesterol levels, or other health problems that affect blood flow. ( adding covid will take years to be recognized)

    Is there a cure for central retinal vein occlusion?
    No known effective medical treatment is available for the prevention or treatment of central retinal vein occlusion (CRVO). Identifying and treating any systemic medical problems to reduce further complications is important.

    Is a retinal artery occlusion a stroke?

    Purpose: Central retinal artery occlusion (CRAO) is a form of acute ischemic stroke that causes severe visual loss and is a harbinger of further cerebrovascular and cardiovascular events.

    #84849
    cloudhidden
    Participant

    Get it before it disappears…….BBC now is questioning……Is catching Covid better than vaccine?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098
    wonder how ling it will take for that to be buried?

    #84850
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Corrected link:

    https://file.wikileaks.org/file/#8230

    Had an errant ampersand before the pound.

    #84851
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I get a 404 for the first link also. If you find the links to it which shall not be named and the vegas shooting i’d appreciate those. The gentleman who wrote before the collapse used to have a blog. Its gone now but he always said the vegas shooting was an inside job. The argument he made was convincing, but back in those days i wasn’t to the point where i’d consider that .gov would do something that reprehensible, i know longer suffer from that illusion. And yes thank you Raul for posting these, its a lot and i’ll be sifting for quite some time. What does this say about Julians future?

    #84852
    deflationista
    Participant

    Speaking of village idiots: This woman has some real TAE commenter potential. I mean, what do you think happens to you when you are fed a daily diet of “information” from sources like Bret Weinstein, Pierre Kory, Simone Gold, Stella Immanuel, Robert Malone, Geert Vanden Bossche, Karl Denninger, John Solomon, Brian Gerrish, Kit Knightly, Paul Joseph Watson, Raheem Kassam and all of the really dumb right wing propaganda websites that pass for “sources” here?

    This is the edited version. I don’t know what is more disturbing, the fact that she might have a kid or a grandkid or the fact that people applauded at the end.

    https://twitter.com/alexkramers/status/1428784100463333380?s=20

    #84853
    zerosum
    Participant

    Central retinal vein occlusion
    Forgot, I know of two people who went blind in one eye from shingles

    #84854
    deflationista
    Participant

    @D Benton Smith:

    Ummm. I read an article. I posted it here. Out of all the bullshit posted on this site, you take issue with one that is reporting on news from Mississippi, that is reported in hundreds of places, and then claim that I am lying for posting it?

    Maybe you prefer several other sources that say the same thing? I wonder, does Raul tolerate threats on his blog? Typically, when you have to resort to threats, you are already losing the argument. Is there really an argument here?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/21/more-mississippians-using-ivermectin-for-livestock-against-covid-19-then-calling-poison-control/?sh=11f58c4850fa

    https://www.fox8live.com/2021/08/21/uptick-mississippi-poison-control-calls-people-who-take-livestock-dewormer-treat-covid-19/

    Do you need more?

    #84855
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I couldn’t find anything on corona, swineful 2009 but nothing on it which shall not be named.

    #84856
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Deflationista

    Who are you advocating for? The people who crashed the economy in 2008 and then didn’t go to jail? MF GLOBAL, The London Whale, the banks that launder drug money? Who are you advocating for? You call us all nutters, you post things that nobody here ever talks about, trying to paint us as advocates of it. Go take care of your mother, i would if i was in your situation, who knows how much time you have left with her.

    #84857
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ oxymoron

    “ Point being while I was away from the wife and kids my state leader Premier Dan Andrews informed the populace that all 12 year old children will be vaccinated by december this year.”

    Do you have a link? I have someone I want to share that with. A quick search yielded nothing (which is odd…I guess our overlords don’t want the US population to know this?)

    #84858
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Better yet, go get your booster jab. Get one of each for triple protection!

    #84860
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Ah, Denninger. I enjoy his rants,mthey are intelligently done, however, in this case:
    “ If you have had Chicken Pox (I have) you’d look at anyone telling you to take a chicken pox shot as if they had six heads because such a suggestion is flat-out bat****-crazy-level insanity”

    …he chose the wrong vaccine to say this about. Chicken Pox immunity is an odd one, where instead of rooting out the virus it goes to sleep in the nerves, and can waken if the immune system forgets to be vigilant. Re-exposure to the varicella virus, either to those with active infections (chicken pox or shingles) or booster vaccination can help keep the immune response high. As someone who has had shingles flare-ups twice in the past 25 years (had chicken pox at age 5) that were fortunately caught and checked quickly, I offered to come hang out with my nieces and nephews the next time one of them comes down with chicken pox….

    #84861
    deflationista
    Participant

    Mr. House:

    Thanks for your concern. My mom is sitting on her chair, five feet away, and sleeping. These are the times I can use to post here or read a book. I have spent the last year palliating her condition and resting in between, like now.

    I read the comments here. I read your comments here. It is not very hard to figure out what you do advocate, and what you do not. Its just based on a long history of comments. The sources leaned on for opinion here are, let’s say, less than reputable, and each is riddled with a common agenda. You might not see that agenda, because you agree with most of it politically.

    What I advocate for, which I have said numerous times in several comments, is that people stop believing their own bullshit. Maybe step outside of your precious little narrative that whispers sweet nothings in your ear and maybe, just pretend, just consider, that your narrative may be completely wrong. TRY to prove your narrative wrong. You wouldn’t have to put much effort into it, believe me. Why the fuck would that make anyone here offended?

    And yes, there is a lot of bullshit spewed here that would qualify for nutter designation. And that certainly doesn’t mean one has to be a mainstream sheep to think that. If you all find pleasure in whipping yourselves up into some frenzy of fear based on these pathetically sourced narratives, then go for it. Just don’t act like a baby when someone points it out.

    #84862
    citizenx
    Participant

    ABC “News”- “the reality and the rhetoric are miles apart”

    Coming from the propaganda mouthpiece bobble head EXPERTS – yes this is America, where reality and rhetoric are not on the same page, unless the experts say so.


    @John
    Day- thank you for all your writings, musings and beyond. I’m horrifically sorry they have targeted you. “They” took my job away, my livelihood away, my dignity is apparently what they really want, and to own me, yourself, and everyone they can.

    No Governor or Politician OWNS other human beings. They have overstepped their boundaries for decades murdering and interfering with other Nations and other lives. No Governor has the moral authority to decide my future, my employment, my health procedures, my movement, where I step, when I can step, or how I step…

    Politicians (Government) are human beings- they are fallible and mortal- they are now acting like Gods and Kings with false claims and worse actions. Good people- it is time to speak the fuck up- and act.

    I would like face time to tell these fuckers exactly what I think- they need to be confronted and called out. If they choose to continue down their insane paths then obviously rhetoric will not work to confront reality. Stronger measures will be required to bring reality and rhetoric together- MLK for example.

    Make no mistake people- the Politicians of today are murdering liars, They are lying to all of us, and they are murdering us- whether in the form of a slow choke hold on your life and employment, or your health decisions. “They” must be confronted peacefully first…

    Be strong, have courage.

    “Without Love in a Dream it will never Come true ”

    #84863
    citizenx
    Participant

    @deflationista- What exactly are you constantly whining about?

    You had your vaccine right? What are you worried about? That you have been lied to and that your vaccine does not work as advertised?

    You do realize that being vaccinated means you can still get cvd from another vaxd person, you can still transmit cvd to another vaxd person? So wtf are you going on about?

    Hey I have a riddle for you- What is the difference between Ignorance and Delusion?

    #84864
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @citizenx re: ‘face time’

    I believe the Continued Push is because the higher-ups are not getting feedback. They spent the whole Trump era (and before?) actively hacking off the receivers of important signals. Sure, kick half the users off FacePunch, etc. They won’t talk to eachother anymore. But you’ve just lost the pulse of the populace. No more feedback for you! This hurts their ‘vacuum up everything’ strategy, eh?

    Thank you so much for the Help On The Way quote!

    —————————————–

    RE: the wikileaks trove

    I’ve downloaded what appears to be the master .torrent file. I will not download any actual documents yet. I may build a tighter VM to do this, but even that seems sketchy. Understand that possession of some of these documents may lead to a knock on the door…or no-nock on the door.

    Be very careful. PDFs can phone home if you load them in Acrobat, and other PDF readers may give away the game through some unintentional path. HTML files will have trackers. Other dirty tricks also. If you have downloaded any of these actual documents,<b> shut off your network </b>before you read them!

    #84865
    Oroboros
    Participant

    US Warns American Citizens To Avoid Kabul Airport One Day After Biden Reassures That All Is Well

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-warns-american-citizens-avoid-kabul-airport-one-day-after-biden-reassures-all-well

    “Biden on Friday said they “know of no circumstance where American citizens are carrying an American passport” and not able to reach the airport. Well, now he does.

    Afghan-Americans on Thursday said that Taliban fighters are now attempting to take their U.S. passports and identification orders in an attempt to stop them from leaving the country.

    “I got to the gates and was about to show my passport, but the Taliban got it, and he said you are not allowed to go through and wouldn’t give it back,” one Afghan-American, who served for several years as an interpreter during the war and has his home in the U.S but requested anonymity for safety reasons, said. “I was lucky a U.S. marine was right there and forced him to give it back.”

    #84867
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    citizenx might be interested in this:

    Montana only state to ban vaccine requirements for employees

    https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Montana-alone-in-banning-vaccine-requirements-for-16400417.php

    #84868
    LudwigVon
    Participant

    Tell me, what is to “Believe”?

    #84869
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Interesting question: since they were all pro-danger and pro-lockdown for 18 something months, what do you think caused the overall perception of the TAE commenters to change? Not me, really. I get to be the resident crank, but nobody believed me before, so why now? It has to be something, somewhere else. Did you also believe Covid was nothing originally, “go to the parades” and don’t now? I expect you’re following a relatively steady line. Like sure, maybe it’s not so super dangerous as once said, but these IVM and others aren’t the solution either. Reasonable. So what’s your story arc?

    I guess I’m asking, How dangerous is Covid? With 12-18months of R5-R9 spread are most people immune now? Do vaccines work more or less as said? What should we do with people who won’t take them? Since the vaxxed are safe, does it even matter? Sure we believe something, and from the thin few who dare speak up and be fired like Dr. Day, but you’re human and must believe something too.

    CDC does not require vaccines and only half have them. White House also does not require. Maybe I should follow their lead.

    “US Warns American Citizens To Avoid Kabul Airport One Day After Biden Reassures That All Is Well”

    No way this is a coincidence. Like all Office statements were specifically countered, too perfect to be an accident. “Not before Monday” “Not with helicopters in Saigon”, “We had no intel” and now “Kabul is fine.” No way. Either they’re orchestrating on Kabul side or Someone here is writing the teletype speeches for Joe.

    #84870
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Luckily I don’t need blood transfusions but I have given them when I was a nurse. If I need a transfusion at some point in the future I would want the blood of a non jabbed. If that was not available one would have to take it or suffer the lack of transfusion. It seems to me it is a little like having blood from people with aids in the blood bank. If you are jabbed and need a transfusion non jabbed blood would be the least of your concerns.

    #84871
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “What I advocate for, which I have said numerous times in several comments, is that people stop believing their own bullshit. Maybe step outside of your precious little narrative that whispers sweet nothings in your ear and maybe, just pretend, just consider, that your narrative may be completely wrong. TRY to prove your narrative wrong. You wouldn’t have to put much effort into it, believe me. Why the fuck would that make anyone here offended?”

    I never stopped going out during covid. Was sick feb of 2020, but i don’t think that was covid. So for 18 months i went out and lived my life. Went bowling, went to bars that would let you in. Never got sick. Only got sick the beginning of august. Now i’m not an idiot. When i feel sick i don’t go out. Didn’t potentially hurt anyone, and i don’t blame the person who gave it to me. I’m just lucky i have a loving family who would drop of fluids and food and flu meds to help me sleep. What is so dangerous about that? Is everyone in your town dead from covid? I doubt it, so why do we need to totally upend our lives for something the media has totally taken across the red line for alot of people? Just got back from my covid test, asked the guy giving it a question: My symptoms ended last sunday, i’ve still got a cough and can’t taste or smell, will this test pick it up? His answer: no. Now i need to go get an antibody test to see if i’ve got those. Insurance doesn’t cover it cause they love us so much, oh well only 38 bucks. I’m living my life, and i refuse to let people like you change it because you’re scared.

    #84872
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Face your fears

    #84873
    zerosum
    Participant

    Why Is there the big data dump from Hillary?
    Why now?
    What is someone, somewhere, trying to get eyeballs interested to spend time looking at all the data?
    example: of a med report: Schabir Shaik, 11 Sept 2009
    (the date 01-Jan-1984 is not relevant to the pdf)
    https://file.wikileaks.org/file/shabir-shaik-medical-record-2008.pdf

    Something older and more relevant

    https://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-call-south-afghanistan-coin-2006.pdf

    Oct 06 HANDBOOK
    Southern Afghanistan COIN Operations
    Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL)
    Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures

    Originally written as an information paper by members of the 1st Battalion, 3rd
    Special Operations Forces Group Alpha, proudly known as the “Desert Eagles,”
    CALL Handbook 07-6 provides a strategy for conducting counterinsurgency in
    southern Afghanistan. Observations, insights, and lessons; best practices; and
    tactics, techniques, and procedures compiled by these combat veterans over four
    deployments in support of Operation Enduring Freedom form the basis for this
    publication. This handbook is tailored for commanders and staffs of combined-arms
    formations, but contains lessons pertinent to commanders and staffs of civil affairs,
    engineer, and combat support units as well. Of particular note is the balance of
    nonlethal and lethal operations integrated into a single, seamless operation. Like the
    sergeant first class of 1/3, commanders at all levels need to determine the defeat
    framework they will use against the enemy and ensure that all actions, from Soldier
    to commander, support that framework. This handbook is an example of how to do
    that in actual operations.

    #84875
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://wikileaks.org/What-is-WikiLeaks.html

    What is WikiLeaks
    WikiLeaks has contractual relationships and secure communications paths to more than 100 major media organizations from around the world. This gives WikiLeaks sources negotiating power, impact and technical protections that would otherwise be difficult or impossible to achieve.

    Although no organization can hope to have a perfect record forever, thus far WikiLeaks has a perfect in document authentication and resistance to all censorship attempts.

    WikiLeaks, its publisher and its journalists have won many awards, including:

    #84876
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Stole this from a commenter at zerohedge. Remember, only 6% of all covid deaths died only of covid. The other 94% had 2.9 other comorbidity’s

    (CDC) Influenza Deaths 10-years.
    2010-11 37K
    2011-12 12K
    2012-13 43K
    2013-14 38K
    2014-15 51K
    2015-16 23K
    2016-17 38K
    2017-18 61K
    2018-19 34K
    2019-20 22K

    Total = 359K
    Average = 35.9K Influenza deaths per year.
    —————————————————————
    Claimed Covid deaths = 616K
    CDC revised at 6% = 36.96K
    ——————————————–
    *CDC counted Influenza deaths with Covid
    ——————————————–
    Influenza average = 35.9k per year
    Covid = 36.96k
    Total Covid deaths = 1,060 (One thousand and sixty)
    USA population 328-million
    Fatality % from Covid = 0.00032317073170732%
    —————————————————————-
    *CDC LIED about = 579.04K deaths from Covid.
    ——————————————–
    Current vaccine deaths = over 13k.

    #84877
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    I’ve been aware of sheeple like deflat-terrirista since I went online to spread what I know about the Banking/.MIL Empire since 1996 ~ They are victims of mass (herd) psychosis, which has been existent since before the advent of the wheel, probably following the discovery of fire…

    They always normalize abhorrent actions of the herd’s leaders, hellbent on rationalizing group insanity, mentally trapped in the fantasy of their denial(s).

    I have a recent example from my extended family: My brother’s FIL died following a simple procedure that normally only requires an overnight stay for observation. The following morning he suffered a clotting stroke, which was followed 3 days later by a heart attack. He was brain-dead after that, they pulled the plug 5 days after the safe procedure.

    He was 68 years old, no serious underlying conditions, walked 2-3 miles per day, normal weight, a vibrant male for his age ~ He took the 2nd Pfizer koolaid jab two weeks prior, but of course his demise was blamed on the procedure, nothing to see here folks!

    Since then his widow has been in mourning, but just like him, is absolutely committed to The Science, absolutely excited to getting booster jab(s) ASAP, to do her part…

    Recently my brother & SIL shared some info with her, including why they followed my counsel not to become guinea pigs ~ This led to her having a complete meltdown, a total neurotic episode, yelling profanities at them while accusing them of being selfish children 😐

    Some people are sooo bluepilled, so tricked into being fascist do-gooders, that anyone outside of the mainstream narrative is attacked, belittled & shunned…

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    #84878
    absolute galore
    Participant

    @deflationista

    It is sad that people in the United States must resort to buying Ivermectin made for horses because doctors will not prescribe it and the FDA has demonized it.

    That link is full of misleading information. It make it sound as though Ivermectin is only used to deworm animals.On the contrary, it is given for scabies (in nursing homes, to old people) and parasites afflicting humans. Partly for its role in wiping out river blindness in Africa, its creator won a Nobel Prize. It has been prescribed to humans more that 4 billion times.

    The medicine in the horse paste is the same, but the non-active ingredients are different and may give people an upset stomach. Also, a single box or syringe full of past is about 6 doses for a 170 lb person. Also, some of the medications sold for horses are Ivermectin in an apple paste, but some contain other active drugs. It’s possible people are not reading the labels.

    There have been zero reports to the health authorities, only a single hearsay incident. This allowed them to roll out the FDA warnings of coma and death, which are a total crock.

    Ivermectin over 40 years has a magnitude fewer serious adverse reports than the vaccines rolled out less than a year ago.

    Most of the U.S. population believes that a. we will always have oil or b. electric cars and solar panels will do just fine. Am I a nutjob conspiracy theorist because I have looked at the available evidence and determined both of these beliefs are simply wishful thinking, delusions of those who worship at the altar of progress?

    Do I believe every single thing posted on TAE? Of course not. I’m skeptical by nature. But the overall narrative–covid is a nasty new bug (probably made by U.S. in a lab in China) that, in certain demographics, can be very serious, can be fatal, but overall is survivable by more than 99 percent of those who get it;
    that the vaccines are experimental, and are not without side effects, some serious, some fatal;
    that the long-term effects are simply unknown (though there is much speculation).;
    that the censorship of other views and the manipulation of data is rampant,as is the complicity of the msm;
    that the push for mandates and passports is a very very very bad thing, much worse than the virus

    I have a couple of health situations that could put me at slightly higher risk from covid, but I still like my chances. When it first broke, I volunteered to deliver food from a local grocery. I thought I would be seeing older folks, but many of my deliveries were to people half my age.

    If people were dying around me, I would be more inclined to try a vaccine, no matter how experimental. But this whole situation has become stranger and stranger. The push to vaccinate has no science and no logic whatsoever behind it.

    I’m sorry you are content with the usurping of freedoms, the censorship by government, media, and corporations.

    Have you noticed that most of our “leaders” end up sooner or later embroiled in some sort of scandal, whether prosecuted or not? Can you point to one who you believe had done a good job?

    Just because you visited this site years ago, and now you come back and everyone is crazy, why would you then stick around? As has been pointed out, you don’t even serve as a good devil’s advocate. You can’t hide your disdain. It’s gotten tiring and boring. I have no doubt you could find a more suitable playground, but I suspect you are something of a masochist.

    #84879
    zerosum
    Participant

    @ Veracious Poet
    Most deaths or problems will not make into the data of problems occurring with the vaccines

    My Example: Central retinal vein occlusion (blood cloth)

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