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Francesco Queirolo Il Disinganno, Naples, Sansevero Chapel 1753-1754 (the netting is also all marble)

 

 

I was thinking all day about Kherson, and how the re-capture of the city is presented in our media. Thinking, also, about the 2,500 kilometer (1,500 miles, give or take) frontline. And of course if you focus troops and material at any single given point along a line of that size, you can make some advances. But does that mean anything, really? Other than PR? Dr. D. today adds the historic etc. perspective to this.

The adagium is: never fight a land war in Asia. Napoleon and Hitler found this out, along with many millions of their young men. But Russia IS Asia. Which means they have no choice but to fight there, and also that they have – deep-rooted – experience. Those 1,500 miles, meanwhile, are an indication of why Russia called up 300,000 reservists.

At the heart of it: you can take some land, but you can’t take our men, they have much more value: “Land is utterly worthless without the men, and Slavic men are precious and few.” Something Russia and Ukraine appear to view differently.

 

 

Dr. D.: Out on a limb for Kherson. Anyone want to take up the issue that Ukraine will blow the dam if anyone gets in there? A human rights crime? They’ve been shelling it for weeks?

Okay, Russia moves across, with a huge plain in front and a river crossing in the back. They should just lazily do this? What’s the solution? General Armageddon said “he would make uncomfortable choices”. Withdrawing would seem to fit that bill. We’ve seen him non-stop, and perhaps even ham-fistedly attempt to feint the Ukrainians – actually, why bother? – Feint the Brits and Americans into attacking at points of his choosing, aka “A Trap”.

They have not jumped at them, but Kherson is the biggest wounded bird they’ve ever flapped. How can London ignore it? They MUST have it to make a mess of Crimea, but as it’s a Steppe on a river bridge, instead or Russia, London and the Poles would be in the artillery fire and dam floodplain. And this is a Russian defeat? At the same time, Putin isn’t taking a political hit for it, despite the wounded bird routine.

Wait: unless you BELIEVED what reporters, the news media said. They said it? Russian news, which is known to be the most Western infiltrated or influenced of any body in Russia? And you took what they said seriously? How’s this: “They said it, therefore it is a lie.” That better?

Russia is fighting A Land War in Asia. I don’t know how many times I have to say this. You do not use Kentucky rules, or Melbourne rules, who basically never fought a war. Russia has a tactic, had it for 1,000 years, and it always works so why change it? You trade men for territory. Because there is so much territory, the land is worthless. However, Slavs are few, and the front line is huge.

Over time, almost a year now, Russia instantly, constantly withdraws to cede territory in exchange for men. They lost so much doing this, they now own 1/4 of the country! Oh noes! Because with “A Land War in Asia”, there’s nothing out there. Just open plains. They only thing stopping any movement is 1) the other army 2) rivers. Once the army has no men, Russia can go wherever they like.

If Russia loses no men, because they trade land to save men, they can fight this for 500 years. Ukraine is doing the opposite: trading battalions to gain cow pasture. #Winning! Am I crazy here? What is the single Russian defense measure? That they have enormous territory between them and the idiots in the West who like attacking Russia and losing. That’s why they keep Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine in front of them, and exactly why NATO wanted to encroach all these countries and remove this safety. …While, as we just admitted, change to first-strike nuclear protocol.

Surely Russia would NEVER trade territory for men, always R E T R E A T before an advancing army? That would be LOSING, wouldn’t it?

History Lesson: Russia RETREATED East of MOSCOW for Napoleon. Napoleon had the entire empty city of Moscow for his leisure. It was sacked freely, Russia gave no defense. Yay Leon! Did they lose then? How was Napoleon doing? Do they speak French in St. Petersburg now?

No. The combined Western army of Napoleon, the entire combined forces of Europe minus Britain CEASED TO EXIST. That settled anyone going to war for a while and they didn’t try anything so stupid with Moscow for 100 years after.

If you have a Land War in Asia, trade Men for Land. Land is utterly worthless without the men, and Slavic men are precious and few. Russia agrees and is behind Putin on this move. They can only DREAM that London will be so idiotic and suicidal as to move their army into Kherson, where Russia can shell them at will from far across the river. If I can shell them, but they can’t advance and stop me, is that losing? How, exactly?

What would I do, retreating, getting my hyperventilating 5th column Russian Press to lose their minds at home? Like this: Ukraine moves forward. They have success, the shelling is not so bad! Surovikin amasses forces out of range but can’t cross the river. Russia is losing! All expected. Then because of the maneuvers and feints of two big armies, Surovikin is able to ACTUALLY amass an army without Ukraine “noticing” – a thing he could not do right now. This army is amassed to the north, above the dams, perhaps by Zap, floods through, and not only can’t be stopped, it therefore cuts off the now-amassed London army from Kiev and their supplies out of Poland. Depending on the men tied up, they reach Odessa from the center of the country, not the south. Either quickly — or more likely, eventually.

…For just one scenario. But you understand they can’t amass 300,000 Russians at Kherson without 1) Proving exactly what their plan is and 2) having the army be shot up more or less constantly as they attempt to trickle across the river…WHILE Ukraine definitely drops a dam on them. Was that your war plan and idea? Of what they should do, are required to do according to Anglos sitting safely 10,000 miles away? ‘Cause it sure ain’t mine. And apparently not General Surovikin’s either.

It’s just plain stupid. Russia is 10x Ukraine’s size. Spoiler alert: Russia wins. So should they be reckless, put half an army in harm’s way just because they’re annoyed, impatient and English bloggers tell them to? No. Get them the h– out of harm’s way, and keep on reducing home casualties, every day.

If only our Anglo armies would do the same. But this is Biden’s Slavic genocide, after all. Why help London by killing your own Slavs?

 

 

 

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    Francesco Queirolo Il Disinganno, Naples, Sansevero Chapel 1753-1754 (the netting is also all marble)     I was thinking all day about Khers
    [See the full post at: Russia Is Fighting A Land War In Asia]

    #120775

    Now THAT is a tour de force.

    #120783
    Afewknowthetruth
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    As I understand it, human life has value in Russia, whereas in NATOstan nations it has no value. In NATOstan nations people are simply units of consumption, to be managed in such a way they increase consumption of energy and resources.

    It’s the money system.

    More waste = Ponzi scheme perpetuated a little longer.

    #120785
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    US is refurbishing decade-old inferior equipment to send to Ukraine to prop up the fascist regime a little longer.

    #120793
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Francesco Queirolo Il Disinganno, Naples, Sansevero Chapel 1753-1754 (the netting is also all marble)

    Definately worth pondering that sculpture; it nearly defies reality…
    It reminds me of Patience Spheres (Ivory balls within balls; many layers…)

    #120794
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Francesco Queirolo Il Disinganno, Naples, Sansevero Chapel 1753-1754

    Amazing, how is that even possible?

    #120795
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    Now that the mid-term elections are over and Taiwan is shown to be essential for the production of IT goods in order for western corporations to continue to make profits, the question becomes is this WWI; all over again, or not?

    The Western Elite are greedy, incredibly ignorant, plus arrogant. But clarity has been gained by the Kremlin’s starkly stupid invasion of Ukraine which almost matches the Imperial Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor. Isoroku Yamamoto, who planned the attack reportedly wrote in his diary, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” Yes, the Kremlin was provoked but every single neo-liberal corporate/state empire to date, ignores reality, the truth, and relies on full-blown propaganda and surveillance to make the rich richer.

    The continued existence of German industry is at stake. A global nuclear war will kill everyone but most importantly a bomb shelter in New Zealand is not a long-term survival bet. To stay alive, I’m hoping that the armistice that UK PM Boris Johnson scuttled in April is back on table. A cease-fire and a DMZ on the East Bank of the Dnieper River would bring peace to Europe.

    Basically, are the global high caste wealthy bright enough to realize that this is a multi-polar world again? North America living within its means is better than a blackened irradiated earth.

    #120800
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    ‘ the question becomes is this WWI; all over again, or not?’

    No. WW1 all over again was the failed attempt to take back Iran, in which the US sponsored its ally Iraq -yes Saddam Hussein- carried out the proxy war on behalf of the fascists. Trench warfare, chemical attacks, gas attacks…..hundreds of thousands killed and maimed. 1 million Iranians died defending their country from the fascist, I believe.

    The problem was, the Iranians had deposed the US-UK-installed puppet Palavi in 1979 and were managing their own affairs quite nicely. That was against ‘the rules’ of ‘the rules based’ based system.

    ‘Basically, are the global high caste wealthy bright enough to realize that this is a multi-polar world again?’

    I think you will find that it is a bipolar world: NATOstan nations (12%) versus the rest (88%). Prior to Russia and the BRICs nations strongly resisting NATOstan hegemony , it was virtually a monopolar world.

    I personally do not like the term global high caste. I prefer to describe them as fascistic psychotic sociopaths.

    The Scorpion is certainly not ‘high cast’ and is simply a sick-minded opportunist, prepared to betray everything and everyone for power and money.

    #120803
    zerosum
    Participant

    Entrapment
    The news/encouragement that the USA wanted to hear.
    Ukrainian troops take city of Kherson

    With this move, Russia has convinced the USA to send more money/resources and you will get positive result from Uke war.

    Russia has just unloaded an expensive white elephant on Uke/USA that is within range of their artillery with no fortifications.

    #120806

    A missile can’t have half the punch
    Of validating someone’s hunch
    That some nefarious plots exposed
    Would find bad actors soon deposed.

    #120818
    aspnaz
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    Dr D said

    History Lesson: Russia RETREATED East of MOSCOW for Napoleon. Napoleon had the entire empty city of Moscow for his leisure. It was sacked freely, Russia gave no defense. Yay Leon! Did they lose then? How was Napoleon doing? Do they speak French in St. Petersburg now?

    Excellent comment because it teaches us that the only thing that counts is who is victorious in the end. The Russians appear to be very analytical, very purposeful in their actions and confident enough in themselves to retreat. The west would never deliberately retreat, the MSM news headlines would be a nightmare and the western politicians would be having kittens trying to produce excuses and next steps and demanding more from the military. Their insecurity over one day of bad news would be on show for all to see. The west is always chasing the next headline and therefore is compromised whenever bad news hits the headlines. Assuming that a retreat means that Russia is losing is the same mistake made by all the leaders mentioned by Dr D in the article. Don’t judge Russia as being the same beast as the west.

    #120821
    Redneck
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    ” unless you BELIEVED what reporters, the news media said. They said it? Russian news, which is known to be the most Western infiltrated or influenced of any body in Russia? And you took what they said seriously? How’s this: “They said it, therefore it is a lie.” That better?’

    So you are saying that all Russian media is directly controlled by the West? Which agency or government or corporation and how? Can you explain how for example the state run tv network is controlled by the West please?
    Like this one?
    https://topwar.ru/204815-herson-kreml-vstavaj-tebe-povestka.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    And this infamous one.

    Or this one.
    https://katyusha.org/vojna/xersonskaya-tragediya-i-ee-rezhisseryi.-kto-vyinudil-nashu-armiyu-ostavit-xerson.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    aspnaz
    Redneck said

    ‘I can go on and on about what Russia should be doing besides the stupid destruction of its citizens.”

    Not my words mate , that is the dude who calls himself Edward Slavsquat.from his blog. and I don’t agree. I watch this dude because he lives in Russia and has a lot of Russian media translations on his blog. He is American so you will hate him.I gave the link to the complete article.

    The kids were jetty jumping to day and the wharf hotel was going off with hoons doing burnouts all afternoon. The cops are too scared to come down and book them ,LOL. All is well with the world.

    #120823
    Redneck
    Participant

    Methinks that Dr. D and other Russia lovers do protest too much!

    #120959
    TonyPrep
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    Anything Russia does must be good and so if they seem to be doing something bad, there must be a reason. Putin is absolutely fantastic and the smartest leader in the world (perhaps that’s why he rushed to be the first to approve a COVID-19 vaccine) so if he cedes a city, no matter how strategically important, it must translate into a good tactical move. That seems to be the thinking here.

    It’s just possible that destroying civilian infrastructure is a morally bankrupt idea. It’s just possible that rushing through referendums to pretend that the residents (or those left but only those in occupied areas of the regions) want to be part of Russia is a morally bankrupt idea. It’s just possible that looting towns and cities that it has had to retreat from is a morally bankrupt idea. But maybe such reports are all made up, because it’s inconceivable that Putin could do anything evil. Still, this is a war, not a special military operation, so anything goes, right? Any other country trying to annex another country may well do the same so that possibility make Putin’s actions defensible.

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