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ParticipantAlso, Musk is suddenly on TR News affilate mediaL
Elon Musk’s Ex-Girlfriend Grimes Says Mark Zuckerberg ‘Wildly Under Qualified’ To Run Metaverse
Musk On Housing Bubble Burst: ‘They Dug Their Own Graves – A Lesson We Should All Take To Heart’
Russian-sponsored media seems to be getting behind Musk’s makeover and MAMGA program: Make American Media Great Again. Now if he can just get some of that good Chinese ubercomputing power, he’s a major contender for 2004.
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Participant“Kanye West announces another US presidential run
The rapper showed off ‘Ye24’ campaign merchandise and issued a call to move “towards the future””Now that’s a special kind of stupid. As opposed to, hmmm, Lady Gaga’s prez run titled ‘don’t go anywhere’.
I think TPTB are spiking the national drinking water supply with psilocybin. I’m pretty sure I’m seeing things.
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ParticipantJUst sent this to my 28-year old son:
“Any top tier MilliGenzi needs to know this one:
“That thar is hard core post-WWII Grandpa Era groovy bachelor stereo hi-fi music to impress the chix and get them feeling wild.”
We’re an older crowd, so many of us will recognize Yma. But some here are not yet ancient.
Yma was from another planet all around. Imagine if she’d done a record with Hendrix and Miles Davis arranged by Gil Evans.
Meanwhile, the heat is on. Isn’t it about time for ET to show up and save us? There is no reason I can find not to believe that the current regime is sufficiently insane to trigger a nuclear exchange.
One hopes there are still a few men possessing intestinal fortitude along the firing chains oif command. It only takes a few heroes going rogue to stop what we classically think of when we say “WWIII“.
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ParticipantSomeone remarked the other day how USA citizens bemusingly offend non- USA citizens by calling themselves Americans. While I try to avoid calling USA America, I doubt the practice is rooted in arrogance. Immigrants, especially those who didn’t know English, would naturally use a shortened version much of the time. I’m sure it just grew out of the vernacular — although academics and foreign policy personnel have no excuse for how they wave ‘mur’ka in the world’s face.
But also, it is awkward. United States citizen is an awkward seven syllables. But, since China has taken over from the USA for some time, we can now enjoy the more geopolitically correct (gpc) and easy to say USAsian, or Usasian, pronounced ‘yoo-say-zhen’ so as not to sound like ‘you iz Asian’ or ‘us Asian’.
Wrap it in palindromic dates and we can claim that TPTB have been planning this for 202 years.
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ParticipantFrom DocJD’s blog:
“There is open speculation that Russia’s real enemy is now declared to be China. (If that were propaganda, whose interests would it serve?)Russian Defense Promotional Film Shows Military Plane Blowing Up Chinese Warship”
The article cites two main themes: a) Russia has had a low profile at recent China air power trade shows, with its air team not participating whereas before it was a major attraction, and b) a Russian defense company showed a publicity film in which a Russian military plane blew up a Chinese warship.
Russia taking a backseat at China’s trade shows could just be courtesy. Considering that Russian air defense rules the pack, in the process making much $$ for Russian aerospace industries, Russia perhaps doesn’t much need the profits from selling jet fighters and instead now prioritizes making them for itself in what will obviously some militarily belligerent decades.
As for vid where a Chinese warship is blown up: Russia has clients who fear China, one presumes. Russia/China are not even real allies at this point. I doubt either trusts the other militarily/geopolitically beyond short term provisional agreements. Selling war weaponry is a business based on internationally mutual suspicion all around.
THis quote:
“U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.
He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.
“U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.
He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.
“U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.
“He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.Russian fighter planes were exterminated in large numbers by Ukraine forces, so Russia feels humiliated,” Chen said. “Moreover, Russia’s air force has been struggling on the Ukraine battlefield; it certainly does not have the capacity to participate in the Zhuhai air show. In other words, the actual reason behind Russia’s low-profile participation in the air show is that it was hit hard in the Russo-Ukrainian War.”
invokes mandatory suspicion with its first two words: “US-based”
Here’s the air combat plane loss stats for Russia and Ukraine back-to-back:
Aircraft losses
Airframe Ukraine Russia Others
Aero L-39 Albatros 1 –
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 – – 1 ()
Mikoyan MiG-29 21 – 3 ()
Mikoyan MiG-31 – 1
Sukhoi Su-24 16 8 (2 damaged)
Sukhoi Su-25 15 (1 damaged) 19 (2 damaged)
Sukhoi Su-27 7 –
Sukhoi Su-30 – 11 (1 damaged)
Sukhoi Su-34 – 16
Sukhoi Su-35 – 1
Ilyushin Il-76 2 (1 captured) –
Antonov An-12 1 (damaged) –
Antonov An-22 1 (damaged) –
Antonov An-26 3 1
Antonov An-28 1 (damaged) –
Antonov An-124 1 (damaged) –
Antonov/Taqnia An-132 1
Antonov An-225 1 –
Antonov An-74 1 –
Avia Systems ASU-1 Valkrja 2
Mil Mi-2 3 (3 captured) –
Mil Mi-8 21 (1 captured) 11 (1 captured)
Mil Mi-14 1 –
Mil Mi-24/35 4 (1 captured) 10 (1 captured)
Mil Mi-28 – 6
Kamov Ka-52 – 20 (5 damaged)
IAR 330 – – 1 ()
Cessna 152 1 (Hungary)
Cessna 172 2 (2 damaged)
KhaZ-30 1
Unknown helicopter 2 – –
Unknown fixed wing aircraft 2 2
Unknown UAV/UCAV 1
Chekan UAV – – 1 ()
Tupolev Tu-141 6 –
Tupolev Tu-143 5 –
Eleron-3SV [ru] – 5 (3 captured)
Kronshtadt Orion – 2
Orlan-10/20/30 and mod. – 34
ZALA 421-16 – 5
Forpost – 2
UA Dynamics Punisher 1 –
Baykar Bayraktar TB2 14 –
Bayraktar Mini UAV 1 –
Athlon-Avia A1-SM Furia 13 –
Granat-4 [uk] 1 1
Leleka-100 2 –
Latochka – 1
Korsar – 1
Merlin VR – 1
Mohajer-6 – 1
Supercam S 350/450 – 2
Spectator M1 3 –
SkyEye 5000 2 –
Spaitech Sparrow 2 –
Ukrjet UJ-22 Airborne 1 –
Ukrspecsystems PD-1 1 (1 captured)
WB Electronics Warmate 1 –
Total: 161 aircraft 160 aircraft 7 aircraftUKraine lost 161, Russia lost 160, both using mostly Russian aircraft while Ukraine had the home base advantage.
Everybody’s cashing in on the war: it sells news copies and views.
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ParticipantI love when the Mad Ozzies get rolled up and over through the top of the curl after wiping out deep inside.
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Participant” Some of it is brainwashing but I think drugs is playing a much bigger role than we think. ”
I certainly agree. Putin does too. He refers to them as drug addicts and criminals. I see it as a large hybrid conscript/mercenary Cult of Atrocity army: after committing the atrocities that war ALWAYS elicits from its players, their consciences are seared (except those who are psychopaths), and the drugs that were once perqs are now daily addictions necessary both to prevent withdrawal and to allay the deep depressive despair of self-loathing they increasingly experience.
The Cult aspect is that they become so ashamed that they can only relate to/trust* each other, and then become seriously sociopathically narcissistic and, basically, insane.
That is how child armies are formed and maintained. Works just as well on adults, I reckon.
*(Until the drugs and ammo run out)
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ParticipantOccasionally, music/art/ertc. critics not only express opinions I agree with, but do so with language most everyone would agree is worth reading even if you don’t agree with their opinions:
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ParticipantI think that a charlatan like Musk can be assumed to be virtue-signaling in his any given utterance, even as he may or may not sincerely believe in said utterance.
I doubt that Elon likes the thopught of sexually trafficking children. But it’s like the short version of distinguishing psychos from socios from nacos:
A psychopath doesn’t care who gets hurt so long as it doesn’t cause him problems. No malice, no remorse.
A sociopath enjoys hurting others. No remorse but ample malice.
A narcissist says, I hope nobody gets hurt… as they do something very likely to hurt someone. Just plain old hypocrisy but with a ruthless heart.
All 3 categories can look at the rest of us and see that we are much more like them than we care to admit, which in turn fuels their ability to falsely justify what they do or to pretend to care about something they don’t.
I think Musk is eating Trump’s lunch, playing Trump’s game better than Trump, and is surfing the early waves of the Crash adroitly. He goes where the flow is and positions himself to catch the next wave.
Most people here have an iphone created by various degrees of slavery including enforced child labor.
The Naked Lunch remains ever coy about lifting its maggot-writhing skirts.
Here’s a sociopathic narcissist singing the truth few will acknowledge in these postmodern times (we kill to eat, period), because even socionarcs will tell the truth when it serves their aims. PLus, for all that Ted is an obnoxious wacko, he occasionally writes a decent song, is a fairly decent singer, and has a signature guitar style that can hold its own with all but the very best:
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Participant“Uncontrolled Jubilee”
There’s deep power in that trope. It wants a nice frame, I think. Maybe a background with ugly Black Friday mass mall muggings here; the Money Go Whirrrrr guy there, the national debt billboard counter, LOTTO winner frenzy, surrounding a central balloon with the words Uncontrolled Jubilee ominously expanding…
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ParticipantTriple Vortex Bonus Spin Score
“Trump in apparent Twitter snub after Musk lifts ban – US politics live”
Trump didn’t snub Elon regarding Elon’s purchase of Twitter and T’s reinstatement. He praised him, several times in several ways.
Here we see the spin doctors using Trump as a blunt weapon to bludgeon the upstart Musk wop is no longer serving Big &&’s wishes (not saying he was a puppet — more like a very good con man who got what he wanted by giving them wha5 they wanted, which included some clue of what to do next since TPTB have little clue, especially ten-20 years ago when AI/internet wasn’t yet big enough to give them a Grand Scheme (and maybe even a Final Solution).Musk and Trump0 benefit from each other’s media platforms. Emergeth the reascendant Right from the ashes of the reascendant left risen from the ashes of the reascendant right:
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ParticipantSome may enjoy this thought:
Guardian angels are ancestors/friends/old lovers, etc. (I’ll include loyal animal friends cuz I’m a sucker for furry friends.) We need to talk to them and think about them and love them and honor them in order to a) give them a homing signal on us, since we’re rather ghostly to them although not invisibly so as they are to us, and b) they need to feel the love to survive dealing with the horror of watching us fuck up like we do – sometimes almost as much as THEY fucked up.
Give them a strong enough signal to track you, and reason enough to care despite watching you throw most of your life away (like everyone else, for the most part), and they get the mojo to cross the heaven/earth blood/brain barrier and physically intervene* as I sincerely believe happened to me once during one of those late night eerie hitch-hiking moments.
*(Y’know, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost.)
Unabashedly Guilty Pleasure of a Song Scene
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“I have only begun to fuck things up.” John Paul Jones heading his warship triumphantly away from his famous naval battle to fight icebergs.in the North Atlantic
“Anything that can’t possibly go wrong is guaranteed to fail, even at failing.” Murphy’s Second Law, not a universal maxim but one specifically addressing human bureaucracy’s ability to survive its own severance like the infamous hydra.
“What couldn’t possibly go wrong?!?” typical mainstream doom’n’gloomer
“No, you’re right.” Bosco Horowitz
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Participant“Uncontrolled Jubilee”
Lol! excellent trope.
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ParticipantApril 2019 – MMR relaunched in Samoa after a pause on the vaccination program in 2018 after two vaccine-related deaths of children. The vaccine program was poorly received by the Samoan population and uptake was low.
1st Oct 2019 – UNICEF delivered 135,000 doses of measles vaccines to Fiji, 110,500 doses of measles vaccines to Samoa (as well as supplies of vitamin A) and 12,000 doses of measles vaccines to Tonga
18th Oct 2019 – Samoa declares a measles outbreak.
24th Oct 2019 – Tonga declares a measles outbreak.
7th Nov 2019 – Fiji declares a measles outbreak (archive here)
15th Nov 2019 – State of emergency declared in Samoa after 1000 cases and 15 deaths (of which 14 were children under five)Immediately the propaganda machine moves into action making the world believe that the problem is the fact that Samoa – for one year only – had a lower vaccination rate than the neighbouring islands…
<img src=”April 2019 – MMR relaunched in Samoa after a pause on the vaccination program in 2018 after two vaccine-related deaths of children. The vaccine program was poorly received by the Samoan population and uptake was low.
1st Oct 2019 – UNICEF delivered 135,000 doses of measles vaccines to Fiji, 110,500 doses of measles vaccines to Samoa (as well as supplies of vitamin A) and 12,000 doses of measles vaccines to Tonga
18th Oct 2019 – Samoa declares a measles outbreak.
24th Oct 2019 – Tonga declares a measles outbreak.
7th Nov 2019 – Fiji declares a measles outbreak (archive here)
15th Nov 2019 – State of emergency declared in Samoa after 1000 cases and 15 deaths (of which 14 were children under five)Immediately the propaganda machine moves into action making the world believe that the problem is the fact that Samoa – for one year only – had a lower vaccination rate than the neighbouring islands…” alt=”” />
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ParticipantMore info on bot traps:
Pull them out by their bots-traps
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The music that first and fully seduced me into adoring the medieval/renaissance period of Western music was this easily accesible bit of very antique highbrow popular music:
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Participant“I’m interested in the proposition that Musk’s Twitter poll about reinstating Trump’s account was a “bot trap”.”
My interpretation is that Elon used the low-hanging irresistibly forbidden fruit to lure politically bent bots to vote against Trump. I would think there are several ways to sniff who’s more likely a bot and who isn’t, not perfectly but along a probability curve. Whether or not Elon intends to “out” or oust alleged bots, it gives his AI lots of incoming data on the de facto enemy’s bots.
Think of it as the Stuxnet Principle, if you will.
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C.L. Sulzberger’s book is proving to be a very rare treat. Written in 1969, it is from a very different time when journalists had real brains and at least half a soul.
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ParticipantYou may envy me at will: Goodwill granted me a lovingly worn hardbound copy of C.L. Sulzberger’s A Long Row of Candles — Memoirs & Diaries 1934-1954, with just the right whiff of book mold to let you smell the history as you read it.
My eyes are shot but it’s the kind of book you can dive into anywhere and pull our surprising nuggets of little known but very telling info.
“In a 1977 article for Rolling Stone, journalist Carl Bernstein included Sulzberger in a group of columnists and commentators whose Central Intelligence Agency relationships Bernstein characterized as going “far beyond those normally maintained between reporters and their sources.” He cited CIA files as referring to Sulzberger as what the agency called “known assets.” Bernstein quoted unnamed CIA officials as saying Sulzberger at one time published a briefing paper the CIA provided him almost verbatim under his byline. Bernstein then quoted Sulzberger as calling that allegation “a lot of baloney” and insisting that while the agency might have considered him “an asset,” in the sense of his willingness to answer questions about his travels to (fictitious nations) “Slobovia” or “Ruritania,” he never took formal assignments from the agency nor would “get caught near the spook business.”[3] The Times also denied that Sulzberger had ever been a paid CIA agent.”
I think the truth leans toward Sultzberger’s view. Those were different times. The Great Brain Rape of the USA’s popular mindset didn’t really get cooking until the 50s when tv sets began to become affordable for the average person. There were many journalists back then who could think for themselves and could pull the wool over CIA eyes more than the CIA could pull wool over theirs.
We had some serious real journalists back then without them having to go “alt”.
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ParticipantI’d prefer it if DBSmith honored the boundary line he and I drew awhile back, and not address me personally for any reason. (We had a deal. So much for deals?) I have nothing to say to him although I will remark at will on the ideas/data he introduces since that is what this gossip section is for, and have no prob with him remarking on ideas/data that I introduce.
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Shared strictly for the guitar solo and the vintage orbital footage
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Some may enjoy this blog. He manages to discuss difficult things without the hysteria prevailing on the alt-media du jour, which currently appears to be substack. One of those sources one can learn things from without feeling the need to agree or disagree, or such is my experience.
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I wonder how VP is? Our mutual enmity doesn’t preclude caring about a person’s well-being (even if one may be perceived as being hostile to same). Approval or disapproval, rebuttal or endorsement, are just likes and dislikes.
Love, imo, is acceptance, and hate is the opposite. One might say that there is no love lost between VP and I, but that confuses loving acceptance with approval. Loving acceptance and disapproving confrontation can coexist. Look at your average marriage that’s gone serious distance. 😉
Anyway, I hope that VP’s silence indicates silent rumination or disdain toward us, and not increased suffering on his part.
I have a horror of appearing sanctimonious, so just to make sure I’ve done my best to convey my sincerity, let me restate that the old bugger gives me a major case of anal heartburn, and I find his posts mostly hurtful and annoying. But, that said, because of this annoyance factor those posts have also, helped me focus on taming my own wild mind. Severe approval and severe disapproval can both be very powerfully motivating, and I enjoy life best when I feel grateful for as much as I possibly can.
Da Lord, dem sez, woiks in de misteruss ways.
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Kitty Tune cuz Carla Bley’s daughter, Karen Mantler, is awesome.
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ParticipantOh well. I have to post it as a link. Following image is from Portland’s Chinatown Red Light district, a romantically sleazy place that I nominate as being Most Like William Gibson’s Sprawl:
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ParticipantIz tezt:
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ParticipantWhen Elon Musk made his first move to acquiring Twitter, I thought, ‘He’s aiming to run for president.’ His poll to reinstate Trump bids me double down on this prediction, particularly since Trump has (at least initially) declined in favor of his own media platform.
Logic behind the double-down is that it takes a high-achieving narcissist to recognize, study, understand, and thereby emulate what another high-achieving narcissist has done.
Big diff between Trump and Musk is that Musk is younger and tougher than Trump, who is way past his sell-by date. If it weren’t for Musk’s openly declared support of the covid vakzines, I’d expect to see him in the White House come 2024, assuming that the USA is still in one piece politically at that time. But it is also possible that Musk will not run himself but will use his media platform/savvy to foster and promote a candidate for the presidency.
Musk is nuts, but he’s brilliantly nuts. The way he sold the populace on terraforming Mars was a brilliant manipulation of humanity’s deep underlying dread of our looming Terran fate, a dread that most people deny and suppress.
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To be void of doubt is to be full of shit. But to be full of doubt is to be void of belief, which leads to de facto solipsism which is a form of self-imposed solitary confinement, which is usually very bad for mental health.
To neither believe nor disbelieve but simply observe is very difficult but yields insight.
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Big Bang entropic cosmic “death” requires our current cosmo-loogic/genic-al model to be accurate. It may be, but it increasingly shows signs of what I wi8ll call Ptolemaic wear’n’tear: the Ptolemaic cosmology died from an ever-growing number of epicyclical planetary motions that simply don’t exist. We see this principle echoed in a) quantum indeterminacy and its implications, and b) the growing number of hypothetical substances like dark matter and dark energy required to hold the current cosmological model together.
I remember when TV screens acted like tiny big bangs. The image took a minute to form while the thermionic valves (aka “tubes”) warmed up.
At first, there was just a tiny on the screen and a vaguely audible hypersonic whine. Then, suddenly, the dot EXPANDED into a full screen image of, oh, say:

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And now, some Czech paganism a la Britney Spears and, oh, Vito Morgenstern?
We take our virtual realities SO seriously these days. I guess cuz real reality is virtually (ha!) unknown to us, and what we do know of it terrifies and disgusts so many of us.
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ParticipantThe concern over Musk’s Halloween costume amuses me. Halloween is supposed to, er, celebrate evil things. Elon, being an alpha narcissist, of course took it to the extreme.
Hardly any one would object if he wore a Freddy Krueger costume, and Freddy was pretty evil, I understand.
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ParticipantThe problem with humans getting over themselves is that our current trajectory toward achieving this end involves massive morbidity and attendant suffering. Just like Putin isn’t interested in a world without humans, humans, being a species with abundant Will to Power, aren’t all that interested in a world without homo sapiens — especially their personal sapient homo, their individual selves.
Gaia’s a big girl and can take care of herself, push come to shove, but that doesn’t necessarily cause Gaia joy.
I like it when Big Mama is happy, cuz when Big Mama is unhappy, everyone is unhappy.
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Participant“Two thumbs up. 🙂”
That’s all? Just two? Oh, wait. I forgot. I’m on Terra. I still forget sometimes that I’m no longer on Mizar Five, where five thumbs and no fingers is the rule of, er, thumb. 😉
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ParticipantI wasn’t much of a Palestrina fan before now. Probably because he was presented as one of the Officially Great composers of that genre.
Wonderfully layered. Lots of space in the music for the dust motes in the cathedral to sun dance in.
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ParticipantSimple but detailed, a dry and longish read, and an excellent citation of data regarding the current regime parking its puppets in the White House.
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Participant‘Even he is (not) as adamantly certain in his unsubstantiable convictions ‘
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Participant““..many people misunderstood the meaning of “peak oil” and saw it as equivalent to “running out” of oil…””
It’s like running out of breath: there’s still ample oxygen in the air but your lungs’ ability to extract that oxygen, and use it to sustain the level of exertion that requires so much oxygen, is no longer sufficient to sustain that level of exertion.
Here is Biden (not really) as a C&W gangsta artist:
From the wall of a pancake house in Longview, WA. Picture of some local big fish in a small pond.

I have no firm position on the global climate controversy. I’ll just note that this is an example of ‘Trust the science.'<> ‘Which science should I trust?’
Just one more thing for us to argue about while we get reamed.
Sorry. I’d meant to leave y’all alone for awhile but my nose is rediscovering the art of spontaneous bleeding and sleeplessness is again my companion.
Here is a pic of the cover from a book circa ’71 wherein idealistic young Boomers tried to take on the mediaplex.It was a time of defiant hope. Fun stuff.
Regarding Hollywood: there was no CIA when Charlie Chaplin (that evil Khazarian/Ashkanazi Jew) taught Hollywood how to crank out SERIOUS money. We all know what a fascist Charlie was, right? My best friend is a paraschizo (now in terminal decline; I listen to him babble on the phone 2-3 times a day). Even he is as adamantly certain in his unsubstantiable convictions than many are here in their belief that It’s ALL a scam. News flash: life happens without parasitic governance. Every day. Happens alla time.
(caps alert) NOT EVERYTHING IS PART OF SOME GRAND SCHEME. I suspect that even God agrees, and God is the ultimate Wizard of Oz pulling the cosmic strings.
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ParticipantLiving the good life does not equate with the global air transport industry. A good life may contain air travel as a subset, depending on how one defines “good life” (a vague concept more appropriate for commercials than for earnest discussion about the state of global human affairs these days).
I’m forever amazed at the need for so many people to chronically attack others over petty squabbles they haven’t even defined.
What is the good life? I suppose that it at least contains some good years.
Me, if I’m not going to seriously explain why I disagree, I prefer just to call someone a big far poopy butthead and call it done,
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ParticipantWWII propaganda (cuz after the Peasrl HArbor psyop, nobody dared protest and hardly anyone believed in anything bout the Right of our Might over the Wrong of Theirs.
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ParticipantI implied but forgot to clearly state that I believe that media has already begun allowing human-on-human parasitism to begin incorporating planned design. But you rather make my case for me, bill7: Hollywood wasn’t a government project. It was taken over by greedy parasites first with ‘decency standards’ censorship, and then big time beginn ing with WWII war movies and such.
But Hollywood is NOT designed by “them”. Hollywood is designed by creative artistry and entrepreneurialism experimenting to see what sells the most tickets and then, that accomplished, see what moves their opinions the most. The fact that the CIA etc. have their foot in every other Hollywood door doesn’t mean they made or designed those doors.
Parasites are opportunistic exploiters and derivative thinkers riding the collar region of Hollywood players but are not the builders or shapers of the beast they ride.
Fwiw, I think you are correct to focus on the ‘darpanet’ angle. Digitech allowed whole new layers and depths of manipulation, outreach, and fluidly moving content control that, coupled with AI, lets “them” tailor their message in strikingly powerful ways, ways we’ve been watching in horrified fascination particularly since the world caught a massive delusional cold and decide to vakzinate anything (still) alive. Before, even with broadcast TV and climax era Hollywood, they had difficulty keeping their message on track with its actual effect on people. Digitech lets them keep pace, even lead… but still with insufficient navigation equipment that will wreck their ship on shoals they unwittingly created. AI is gonna glitch their asses but good. Murphy the Lawgiver agrees.
Now we do, imo, have “designed victims”. I believe that the savviest among us have watched this for quite some time. I’ve been terrified of TV since ’75, and grew allergic to Hollywood by the mid-90s. But watching the internet invert, watching search engines search us more than we search them, and then, worstly, the advent of handroids — the internet “everting” as Gibson wrote in Pattern Recognition (his most human and poignant work, imo) — tracking us informationally and locationally everywhere we go while creating growing dependence on handroids to do everything for us but eat and wipe — this has given “them” a major leg up and thus brought us that much faster to a doomful denouement.
Which I think is good, btw, ny which I mean it could be much worse, but then, I’m an old Jay Hanson die-hard ‘what shall be done’ alumni, and that was a hard crowd that gave the data a very “cold and lynx-eyed clear view of things” to quote an old friend. I go now to listen to some well-recommended Palestrina with what’s left of my hearing. Lord, I miss those high notes.
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ParticipantA youtube ad just offered to let me own my own verified voice clone. Kinda like buying internet domains in the old days?
Meanwhile, Edvard Slavsquat is concerned about global digital ID systems and such:
The comments section became a Davosian Overlords Are in Control of Everything (except of course, Ed’s comment section, which alone preserves the True VOice of Freedom, Reason and Truth), running off some very bright and charming people (and me, too, who like to tag along with the very bright and charming in case some of it will rub off onto me).
But Ed’s actual data holds up although his claims often overreach and I’ve concluded that he is ultimately a paid anti-Russian propagandist, a limited hangout, if you will. And it’s true that Russia’s covidiotic policies rival ours. If global depo is the plan, then it’s been agreed that the survivors will colonize a Russia wekaned by major depopulation just as it was gaining some reproductive traction.
He includes great Russophillic music clips, btw.
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ParticipantBut that’s so grim and serious. Here are some light birds above my piano.
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ParticipantIt might help people understand my position on a core theme here if I point out that parasites are opportunistic. They don’t design their victims (although their victims and they may coevolve together and eventually become symbiotically mutual beneficiaries of the relationship)>
Language/ abstract reasoning/symbolic representation aka language began creating ways to indoctrinate ever larger groups into a centralized dogmatic bloc. The popular mass formation hypnosis phenomenon.
But still, life moved faster than the parasites.
Now, with the panoptical omnimediaplex and powerful AI to do their pattern recognition for them, the parasites are getting some serious leg up on individuality. Even so, I think it is more reactionary than proactionary. One reason I feel this way is because they are reacting to AI which is reacting to them and, as Polemos articulated, to their fellow AIs.
In other words, the parasites do not control what they are in charge of. They are often playing catch-up and damage control of their previous AI-guided actions. (“Survey says!”)
Klaus Schwabb suffers from delusions of grandeur more than he enjoys comprehensive understanding of what he’s doi8ng (like pert near all of us, best I can tell). Zelensky and Trudeau are mere troll-bait for sure, but their handlers are losing every significant battle they encounter and everything they do at this point, including covidarchy governance, is now in strategic retreat mode. Oh, the main damage is done, and Gates may have achieved that much of his aims, but he is one Epstein away from having to triple up on body guards and wearing Kevlar everywhere except the bathroom.
So, yes, they’re a, probably the , major reason we can’t have nice things, but no, their evil schemes aren’t working out the way they planned, and they are really the least of our worries, sez I, who say that WE are the most of our worries which is why we mostly ignore or disrespect each other and holler about what the giant figures we see slouching toward Bethlehem on the Giant Silver Screen.
I firmly believe that what THEY do to us isn’t nearly as important as what we do to us, particularly what we do with one another (which, as ever and alas, is mostly argue about who is right and who is wrong).
And now a word from our puppet masters:
boscohorowitz
ParticipantPeople no longer know how to cohere without an app.How much of that is designed by Ozzian wizards, and how much is the general effect of omnipresent and massively expanding immersive media, from 30 giant screens blaring in one sports bar to 50 tiny quiet screens dutifully digesting tedium for subway commuters, is a question we lack the means to conclusively answer.
That said, my reading tells me that organized resistance has been astro-turfed resistance more often than not:
rabble-rouser (n.)
“demagogue, one who arouses the emotions of a disorderly crowd,” 1842, agent noun from rabble-rousing, which is attested by 1802 as an adjective (in Sydney Smith), by 1933 as a noun; see rabble (n.1) + rouse (v.).Entries linking to rabble-rouser
rabble (n.1)
c. 1300, “pack of animals” (a sense now obsolete), of uncertain origin, but possibly related to Middle English rablen “to gabble, speak in a rapid, confused manner” (mid-14c.), which is probably imitative of hurry, noise, and confusion (compare Middle Dutch rabbelen, Low German rabbeln “to chatter”).The meaning “tumultuous crowd of vulgar, noisy people” is from late 14c., probably a back-formation from the Middle English verb. It was applied contemptuously to the common or low part of any populace, regardless of tumult, by 1550s.
rouse (v.)
mid-15c., rousen, intransitive, probably from Anglo-French or Old French reuser, ruser; Middle English Compendium compares 16c. French rousee “abrupt movement.” Sometimes also said to be from Latin recusare “refuse, decline,” with loss of the medial -c-. Originally in English a technical term in hawking, “to shaking the feathers of the body,” but like many medieval hawking and hunting terms it is of obscure origin.The sense of “cause game to rise from cover or lair” is from 1520s. The word became general from 16c. in the figurative, transitive, meaning “stir up, cause to start up by noise or clamor, provoke to activity; waken from torpor or inaction” (1580s); that of “to awaken, cause to start from slumber or repose” is recorded by 1590s. Related: Roused; rousing.
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A rabble-rouser is someone who incites a crowd of people into action, most often violent action. A rabble-rouser usually attempts to stir up the emotions of the masses for political reasons. The rabble in this case is a mob of unruly people. It is a derogatory word, derived from the Middle English rablen meaning mindless babble or a pack of wild animals. Rabble-rouse may be used as a verb, related words are rabble-rouses, rabble-roused, rabble-rousing. The term rabble-rousing was first used in 1802, though the term rabble-rouser didn’t appear until the 1840s. Note that the word rabble-rouser is properly spelled with a hyphen.
Not to mention those Old Testament railing at people from city walls to straighten up and fly right, including that Jesus person. One wonders how many Jews of that time and place dismissed JC as “just another sheepdog” (like Bernie Sanders and such). One wonders if he “let” Pilate crucify him because He’d seen that the center of any large simply can’t hold.
Generally, by the time people have organized to change things, it’s either already been changed (pointless intrusive coercive memes & laws to allegedly protect queers*), or the protestors mostly succeed in alienating the common folks from their cause.
If organized rebellion created better societies, we’d see some evidence. I haven’t. And pls don’t cite the American Revolution as evidence. Oy vey. But if you must, you must, I suppose.
*btw, I recall when the right wing was up in flaming arms against gay marriage. Never mind how silly their arguments were (imo). The faithful are rarely swayed by evidence unless accompanied by a baseball bat. The liberal backlash against this needless obstruction of a simple desire to enjoy legally protected pair-bonding has brought us today’s pink and fluffily-denimed gender justice warriors. To which the conservative backlash will be, I fear brutal. Back and forth, escalating with each cycle of divide’n’conquer distractions.
The tiny 1/16th of me that is Cherokee thinks this is my kind of political rally:
boscohorowitz
Participant” Aim for perfection and then you will likely end up with something that is reasonably good.”
Aren’t you the optimist! 😉 Mine goes (pessimistically) like this: “Aim for the stars. At least you won’t shoot off your feet.” Google provides no images of lying on back shooting gun, so I feel that I might actually be on to something.
However, I did find this:
from The irony: Man literally shoots himself in the foot just to find out how it feels
…which includes this bonus nugget of insanity:
“The dope is now facing charges because of his behaviour – including prohibited use of a weapon and reckless endangerment.”
I once helped a man shoot his leg off with a shotgun, staging it as an accident caused by his (fictitious) unwitting intrusion into a drug deal, doing so to avoid prosecution by crazy laws like “prohibited use of a weapon” so he could get rid of an extremely painful, hopelessly damaged knee that several surgeries only made worse yet doctors refused to remove although he begged them.
THe organ in that song sounds like one could control the universe from its console.
boscohorowitz
Participant“There may be more answers to that question than the one you proposed.”
There better be. That said, I am of course referring to the prevailing majority. Hence the ‘Average’ in “Average Joe”.
boscohorowitz
ParticipantHuman secularism, with or without a religious overlay or underpinning, and it’s de facto aim/belief/faith — utopia — reminds me very much of the Snake in the Garden telling Adam and Eve that if they were smarter they could do a better job than God/aeons of evolution/both. The result for A&E was:
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”The thing is, our faith in humanity tortures us because we consistently prove unfaithful and unworthy of faith. Not that we’re bad or good; that’s just more crazy Knowledge of Good and Evil crap. By telling ourselves (in Mass Formation Hypnosis, if ye like) that We Can Make It Good If We All Pull Together, we impose shame (that fig-leafed thing) on ourselves via the logic that How We Are Now is BAD. Original Sin, if you enjoy that avenue of comparison. Add our consistent failure to achieve utopia rather than our usual hair-brained dystopias. and that shame grows doubly and deeply, if hushedly, powerful.
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Hoping to stimulate some new perspective on the currently head-locked and butt-hurt competing false dichotomies of the climate-change-is-real vs climate-change-is-bunk camps:“Nobody is born a specialist. Every child is born with comprehensive interests, asking the most comprehensively logical and relevant questions. Pointing to the logs burning in the fireplace, one child asked me, “What is fire?” I answered, “Fire is the Sun unwinding from the tree’s log. The Earth revolves and the trees revolve as the radiation from the Sun’s flame reaches the revolving planet Earth. By photosynthesis the green buds and leaves of the tree convert that Sun radiation into hydrocarbon molecules, which form into the bio-cells of the green, outer, cambium layer of the tree. The tree is a tetrahedron that makes a cone as it revolves. The tree’s three tetrahedral roots spread out into the ground to anchor the tree and get water. Each year the new, outer-layer green-tree cone revolves 365 turns, and every year the tree grows its new, tender-green, bio-cell cone layer just under the bark and over the accumulating cones of previous years. Each ring of the many rings of the saw-cut log is one year’s Sun-energy impoundment. So the fire is the many-years-of-Sun-flame-winding now unwinding from the tree. When the log fire pop-sparks, it is letting go a very sunny day long ago, and doing so in a hurry.” Conventionally educated grown-ups rarely know how to answer such questions. They’re all too specialized.”
Buckminster Fuller, Critical Path
I love Bucky, but feel that he too never fully faced up to the Malthusian (deferred) reality that is modern civilization:
He wrote:
ON COSMIC ENERGY
“Our most prominent present local Universe problem is how to wean humanity from metabolic sustenance only by exploiting nature’s local Universe energy savings account – energy being locally imported by cosmic evolution design to produce a new star ten billion years hence. How can we convince those in power the world around that we can live handsomely as supplied only by our daily income of cosmic energy? The answer is we can’t convince them. Only the cosmic wisdom manifest in inexorable evolution can cope with such matters.”
ON ATOMIC ENERGY
“The would-be exploiters of atomic energy on board our planet Earth will in due course discover there is no way for them to solve atomic-energy- radiation waste-disposal problems save by rocketing it all back into the Sun, where it belongs. Humans will then have to learn how to keep all humans and their ecological support system operating successfully on our vastly adequate daily income of solar atomic energy.
“Cosmically acceptable and effective decisions of humanity regarding such matters will not be made by leaders single or plural, political or religious, military or mystic, by coercion or mob psychology.
“The effective decisions can only be made by the independently thinking and adequately informed human individuals and their telepathetically intercommunicated wisdom – the wisdom of the majority of all such human individuals – qualifying for continuance in Universe as local cosmic problem-solvers – in love with the truth and in individually spontaneous self-commitment to absolute faith in the wisdom, integrity, and love of God, who seems to wish Earthian humans to survive.”
I find the ‘telepathetically‘ typo cute and bittersweetly moving. Anyway, BUcky sidesteps, like virtually all progressivists and utopians do, the issue of time: with a population of 8 billion dependent on such over-strained and now dwindling primary critical resources, how do we avoid a catastrophic death curve as Malthus logic continues “the cold equations” of supply<>demand? How do we downscale slowly enough, and retool/reparadigm rapidly enough, to avoid astronomical corpse numbers and all that goes along with it?
After all, since the path upward in population numbers has involved horrific mass violence and death, why wouldn’t the path downward involve at least twice as much? If we cooperate so poorly in times of abundance, how well will we cooperate in times of famine (already here but not, to misquote William Gibson, “evenly distributed”)?
I still think that, subconsciously, the reason that the conspiracy theory crowd focuses so much on evil billionaires etc. is because those billionaires are, they claim (and evidence strongly suggests) taking coercive and seductive measures to force said depopulation which I believe we all know deep down is inevitable/necessary if we aren’t going to go full-blown 3-D WMD bezerk on each other and the dwindling ecosphere we call Terra.
Raised on bureaucratically provided/imposed order, we inherently crave order even if from evil* bazillionaires who envision post-collapse Terra as their personal plantation and us as feudal serfs. It’s like people from the Depression Era rural (USA)South joining the army because at least they’d have 3 hots and a cot
*(I use that word, ‘evil’, simply for communication’ sake; I honestly don’t believe in ‘good’ or ‘evil’, just preferences)It’s not as if I like or excuse guys like Gates or Fauci. Hardly. But nor do I excuse us, for being the cause of the problem i.e. the Human Condition. I have maybe — maybe — once heard a serious conversation on how to reduce population outside of birth control (as if humans at large were capable of being that responsible when they have a stiffy or a juicy wanting attention). I’ve never heard a discussion of a Who Gets to Breed lottery or anything.
So of course, the most powerful guys on the planet do the job for us (shittily, of course) because we capitalist consumer societies no longer do anything for or by ourselves (does anyone go poddy without their handroid any more?) and almost always leave it to The Authorities to tell us what to do so we can grudgingly do what they say but only enough to get a passing grade while we gripe about how stupid and awful our leaders are.
Want something done right, do it yourself. Otherwise, you’ll end up with shape-shifting reptilians in human drag, or at least convincing holograms thereof, doing it for you. Poorly at best; horrifically and more doomfully than the problem needing solution, at worst.
As an old sociopathic mentor taught me: “Either you have a plan for it or it will have a plan for you — and you probably won’t like its plan.”
Some call it a Death Cult, and there is surely at least some truth to this, especially since core global power prefers occult concealment of How Power Works just as we prefer not to witness the de facto torture and slaughter of the animals we eat. But what are we peons then? We’re members of a Life Cult: we won’t do our own killing etc. Furthermore, we now increasingly demand robots do our actual LIVING for us. And we breed as we will just as we abort as we will. Always have.
Who is more sick and wrong: smarmy little brain-damaged Billiam Gates “helping” us, or Average Joe demanding his “rights”? Ha! About rights I feel the same as John Calhoun felt about the equality of all humans
“Taking the proposition literally (it is in that sense it is understood), there is not a word of truth in
it.”Humanity is a Big Problem that sees itself as the sine qua non and non plus ultra and stercore non olet of not just all things Terran but maybe even the cosmos (unless ET or God(s) sends us a letter proving otherwise. Someone has to clip our wings. If it takes the most ruthlessly selfish among us to do so, is that not fitting?
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DocJD: I don’t think Fagen or Rudngren were pandering to any audience. Both have carved from careers from doing just the opposite. I think they’re invested in the Main Paradigm just like 9)%? 99%? 99.9%? of their fellow humans. Only science more dismal than economics is political science, that whore-field of academic banksters, military gangsters, and PR opinion shape-shifters.
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I asked the woman dropping off her dog for her play-time with my dog, for a hug.
“WHat’s wrong?”
“It’s not what’s wrong that counts. We almost never can fix our shit. It’s the hugs that matter.”
Mugged by a Hugger, Hugged by a Mugger: Hoogie-Moogie is Everywhere!
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