Apr 182020
 


Edward Hopper Cat boat 1922

 

Antibody Study Suggests Coronavirus Far More Widespread Than Thought (G.)
No Evidence COVID-19 Survivors Have Immunity – WHO (Sky)
Double Warning Over Antibody Tests (BBC)
Existing Drugs ‘May Prove Effective On Coronavirus Before Vaccine Comes’ (SCMP)
Emirates First Airline To Conduct On-Site Rapid COVID-19 Tests (Em.)
US Seeks Access To Wuhan Virology Lab, Trump Questions China Death Toll (SCMP)
US, China and WHO Are All Keen To Pass The Buck (SCMP)
U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt Outbreak Much Larger, But Mostly Asymptomatic (JTN)
San Francisco Orders Residents To Wear Face Masks (F.)
UK Moves To Drop Huawei As 5G Vendor On China Coronavirus Transparency (NYP)
Where’s the $2.2 Trillion Bailout Money Going? (WS)
Flight Path (Kunstler)
The Transformation of Emmanuel Macron (CN)
Labour Party’s Own Senior Staff Acted To Keep Corbyn Out Of Power (ML)

 

 

• One week ago, the US #COVID19 #coronavirus death toll was 15,000. In the last 7 days, more than 20,000 Americans have died. The death toll is now 36,000+, Cases top 700,000

• Reported US coronavirus deaths:
– Feb. 17: 0 deaths
– Mar. 17: 111 deaths
– Apr. 17: 36,997 deaths

 

 

• Top 10 States – Positive Tests 4/17/20
1) NY/ 222,284 (TH data);
2) NJ/ 78467;
3/ MA/ 32,181;
4) PA/ 29,441;
5) MI/ 29,263;
6 CA/ 28,263;
7) IL/ 27,575;
8) FL/ 24,119;
9) LA/ 23,118;
10)TX 17,371.

• New York reports 7,753 new coronavirus cases & 1,025 new deaths, a total of 233,951 cases & 17,131 deaths..

• 1,081 sailors from French aircraft carrier test positive for coronavirus. 2,010 sailors have been tested so far.

• Coronavirus global update:
– 85k+ cases in last 24 hours
– 2.2 million cases in total
– 1.5 million active
– 575k recovered
– 155k deaths
– 31% of cases in the U.S.

 

 

 

Cases 2,261,425 (+ 67,867 from yesterday’s 2,193,558)

Deaths 154,734 (+ 7,356 from yesterday’s 147,378)

 

 

 

From Worldometer yesterday evening -before their day’s close- (Note: Brazil and Russia keep climbing fast)

 

 

From Worldometer – NOTE: mortality rate for closed cases remains at 21% –

 

 

From SCMP:

 

 

From COVID19Info.live: (Belgium in first place worldwide of deaths per million at 445, 14.3% CFR, before Spain, Italy, France and UK.)

 

 

 

 

We know nothing.

Antibody Study Suggests Coronavirus Far More Widespread Than Thought (G.)

A new study in California has found the number of people infected with coronavirus may be tens of times higher than previously thought. The study from Stanford University, which was released Friday and has yet to be peer reviewed, tested samples from 3,330 people in Santa Clara county and found the virus was 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicated. To ease the sprawling lockdowns currently in place to stop the spread of Covid-19, health officials must first determine how many people have been infected. Large studies of the prevalence of the virus within a region could play a key role, researchers say.

“This has implications for learning how far we are in the course of the epidemic,” said Eran Bendavid, the associate professor of medicine at Stanford University who led the study. “It has implications for epidemic models that are being used to design policies and estimate what it means for our healthcare system.” The study marks the first large-scale study of its kind, researchers said. The study was conducted by identifying antibodies in healthy individuals through a finger prick test, which indicated whether they had already contracted and recovered from the virus. At the time of the study, Santa Clara county had 1,094 confirmed cases of Covid-19, resulting in 50 deaths.

But based on the rate of people who have antibodies, it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April – a number approximately 50 to 80 times higher. That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%.

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Absolutely nothing.

No Evidence COVID-19 Survivors Have Immunity – WHO (Sky)

There is no evidence that people who have recovered from coronavirus have immunity to the disease, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said. The UK government has bought 3.5 million serology tests – which measure levels of antibodies in blood plasma. But senior WHO epidemiologists have warned that there is no proof that such antibody tests can show if someone who has been infected with COVID-19 cannot be infected again. Many of the tests being developed are pinprick blood tests similar to instant HIV tests and measure for raised levels of the antibodies that the body uses to fight the virus.


Speaking at a news conference in Geneva, Dr Maria van Kerkhove said: “There are a lot of countries that are suggesting using rapid diagnostic serological tests to be able to capture what they think will be a measure of immunity. “Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual has immunity or is protected from reinfection.” She added: “These antibody tests will be able to measure that level of seroprevalence – that level of antibodies – but that does not mean that somebody with antibodies means that they are immune.” Dr van Kerkhove said it was “a good thing” that so many tests are being developed, but said they will need to be validated “so that we know what they say they attempt to measure they are actually measuring”.

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Huh? “..The government has already paid for three-and-a-half million antibody tests, but has not yet found one that is reliable enough to use..

Double Warning Over Antibody Tests (BBC)

Hopes that coronavirus antibody tests could help the UK end its lockdown have been dealt a blow – after the World Health Organization questioned whether they offer any guarantee of immunity. The UK has placed antibody tests – which check if someone has had Covid-19 – at the centre of an eventual “back-to-work” plan to restart normal life. But experts said they may not prove if someone is protected from reinfection. The UK’s testing co-ordinator has also warned people not to buy private tests. The government has already paid for three-and-a-half million antibody tests, but has not yet found one that is reliable enough to use – and stresses that it will not approve the use of any test until it can be sure its findings can be fully depended on.


Professor John Newton said the public should not purchase unapproved antibody tests until a working test is approved. “We are breaking new ground with this work every day and I am confident this major research effort will make a breakthrough,” he said of efforts to develop a valid serology test, which measures levels of antibodies in blood plasma. “Until then, please don’t buy or take any unproven tests. They may not be reliable for your intended use; they may give a false reading and put you, your family or others at risk.” He added: “As soon as we have found a test that works for this purpose, we will be in a position to roll them out across the country as a back-to-work test.”

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Make Gilead shareholders rich.

Existing Drugs ‘May Prove Effective On Coronavirus Before Vaccine Comes’ (SCMP)

Dr Kim Woo Joo, who led South Korea’s response to Covid-19 and the outbreak of Mers in 2015, said he was “not very optimistic” about the availability of a Covid-19 vaccine in the next 18 months, but said evidence about the effectiveness of remdesivir, an experimental antiviral developed to treat Ebola; AbbVie’s Kaletra, an anti-HIV drug; or other medicines might be possible sooner. “If everything goes well, I am hoping that the effectiveness of these drugs will be scientifically proven within three to four months,” Kim, a professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital, said in an interview on Wednesday with the president of the Korea Society, Thomas Byrne.


Kim added that Seoul National University Hospital and the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, headed by Dr Anthony Fauci – a key player in the US government’s effort to control the coronavirus spread – were collaborating to test remdesivir, which emerged this week as possible treatment option. The health and medical news website Stat reported on Thursday that a Chicago hospital using remdesivir to treat severe Covid-19 patients saw rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with most patients discharged within a week. The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two phase-3 clinical trials and gave them daily remdesivir infusions, according to Stat. Of those patients, 113 had severe symptoms, the report said. Gilead’s share price shot up by nearly 15 per cent in after-hours trading after the Stat report and closed 9.7 per cent higher on Friday.

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Want to get tested? Book a flight.

Emirates First Airline To Conduct On-Site Rapid COVID-19 Tests (Em.)

Emirates in coordination with Dubai Health Authority (DHA) will be introducing additional precautions. Passengers on today’s flight to Tunisia were all tested for COVID-19 before departing from Dubai. Emirates is the first airline to conduct on-site rapid COVID-19 tests for passengers. The quick blood test was conducted by the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) and results were available within 10 minutes. This test was conveniently done at the Group Check-in area of Dubai International Airport Terminal 3. Adel Al Redha, Emirates Chief Operating Officer said: “The testing process has gone smoothly and we would like to take this opportunity to thank the Dubai Health Authority for their initiatives and innovative solutions.


“This would have not been possible without the support of Dubai Airport and other government authorities. We are working on plans to scale up testing capabilities in the future and extend it to other flights, this will enable us to conduct on-site tests and provide immediate confirmation for Emirates passengers travelling to countries that require COVID-19 test certificates. The health and safety of staff and passengers at the airport remain of paramount importance.” [..] Gloves, masks and hand sanitisers have been made mandatory for all employees at the airport. Passengers are also required to wear their own masks when at the airport and on board the aircraft, and follow social distancing guidelines.Emirates has modified its inflight services for health and safety reasons. Magazines and other print reading material will not be available

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Early on in the pandemic, it took many weeks for a WHO team to get access to China.

US Seeks Access To Wuhan Virology Lab, Trump Questions China Death Toll (SCMP)

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Friday called on China to grant the United States access to the Wuhan laboratory that has emerged as a flashpoint between the two nations in a clash over the origin and handling of the coronavirus. “We are still asking the Chinese Communist Party to allow experts to get into that virology lab so that we can determine precisely where this virus began,” said Pompeo on Fox News. Pompeo’s comment escalated conjecture surrounding the lab as US President Donald Trump amplified doubts around the extent of the Covid-19 spread in China by announcing in a Twitter post that the country “has just announced a doubling in the number of their deaths from the Invisible Enemy. It is far higher than that and far higher than the US, not even close!”


The tweet was not accurate as China only announced a revised increase in deaths out of Wuhan by 50 per cent. The number of cases in China – more than 83,700 – still trails that of the US, which has more than 679,000. Addressing reporters later on Friday, Trump doubled down on his assertion, stating that China had the most deaths in the world. “We don’t have the most in the world – deaths,” Trump said of the US tally, which stands at more than 34,000. “The most in the world has to be China. It’s a massive country. It’s gone through a tremendous problem with this.”

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There you go. The WHO was only granted access in the third week of February, 7-8 weeks after Beijing reported the first cases.

And then it took another 3 weeks before the WHO declared a pandemic on March 11. That’s not just a technicality.

US, China and WHO Are All Keen To Pass The Buck (SCMP)

The first public report of the coronavirus came on December 31, when the health commission in Hubei province – of which Wuhan is the capital – reported 27 cases of pneumonia. The WHO set up an incident management support team the next day and published its first notice about the outbreak on January 5, in which it said there was “no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission”, and advised against travel or trade restrictions on China. Margaret Harris, a spokeswoman for the WHO, told US broadcaster CNN on Monday that at the time, “alarm bells were already ringing through the halls of the WHO”, and that it was “aware it was a very serious matter”. As the number of cases rose, the WHO began issuing technical guidance, with its technical lead on Covid-19, Maria Van Kerkhove, saying on January 14 that it was “certainly possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission” of the virus.

But on Twitter, the WHO’s official account on January 13 and 14 continued to suggest there was “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”. A critical turning point in the epidemic came on January 20, when Zhong Nanshan, a high-profile Chinese epidemiologist who managed the nation’s response to the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) outbreak of 2002-03, said that there was human-to-human transmission of the virus and that medical workers had been infected. The WHO then said it was “very clear from the latest information that there is at least some human-to-human transmission”. Trump this week slammed the WHO for having “parroted and publicly endorsed the idea that there was not human-to-human transmission” in mid-January.

The WHO issued multiple notices on the virus that month and maintained its assessments were based on available evidence at the time. On January 22 and 23, the agency convened an emergency committee to determine whether the coronavirus constituted a global public health emergency, but delayed making a declaration. A week later, on January 30, when Tedros did declare a global health emergency, he stressed that it was “not a vote of no confidence” in China, and continued to oppose restrictions on travel and trade with the world’s most populous nation. The WHO said its guidance on travel bans stemmed from its experience with other outbreaks, and that such restrictions might not be effective in curbing the virus’ spread. Despite those recommendations, Trump on January 31 announced a ban on most travellers from China entering the US.

China’s foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying responded by saying the US had “inappropriately overreacted” and gone against WHO guidance. Tedros said later that there was no need for actions that “unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade”. “One of the most dangerous and costly decisions from the WHO was its disastrous decision to oppose travel restrictions from China and other nations,” Trump said this week. “Fortunately, I was not convinced and suspended travel from China, saving untold numbers of lives.” Tedros met Chinese President Xi Jinping at the end of January, after which it was announced that the WHO would send a team of experts to China to get a better understanding of the outbreak. But it was not until nearly three weeks later that the WHO-China joint mission of experts began their trip, with Wuhan originally left off the agenda, only to be tacked on days later. At the end of the visit, the joint mission produced a gushing report that described China’s response to the outbreak as “perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history”.

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Walking infection bombs.

U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt Outbreak Much Larger, But Mostly Asymptomatic (JTN)

The Navy’s coronavirus testing of the entire crew of the U.S. aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is now nearly complete. Of the ship’s 4,800-member crew, more than 600 sailors have tested positive for the virus. However, of those 600, 60% have not shown any symptoms associated with the illness. The virus’s numbers aboard the Roosevelt continue to raise questions about the true spread rate of the illness, as opposed to the numbers that testing in the United States, and around the world, are capturing. The proportion of people who are asymptomatic carriers of the virus remains unknown, but the Theodore Roosevelt’s figure is higher than the 25%-50% range that Dr. Fauci put forward in early April. The numbers from the Naval ship provide data on the epidemiologically underrepresented group that is the younger, largely healthy population. This week, one sailor infected while aboard the ship died, and five remain hospitalized.

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With New York, Maryland and Los Angeles.

San Francisco Orders Residents To Wear Face Masks (F.)

San Francisco residents will be required to wear face masks outside their homes, the city announced Friday, joining New York, Maryland and Los Angeles County, as areas of the U.S. begin to think about what life will look like when social distancing measures are relaxed. The order goes into effect 11:59 p.m. Friday. • Individuals must wear masks on public transit as well as inside public buildings, health facilities and essential businesses such as the grocery store or pharmacy. • Businesses should refuse service to anyone who isn’t wearing a face covering and ensure their workers are wearing masks, the order says. • Residents don’t have to wear face coverings while at home, in the car or outdoors walking or running, though the city recommends bringing along a face covering anyway, even if residents aren’t wearing it at that moment. • Children under 12 are also not required to wear face masks.


City leaders urged residents to continue staying at home, saying that wearing a mask in public “is not a substitute for staying home, staying 6 feet apart and frequent handwashing.” “By covering your face when you go pick up food or ride Muni, you are helping reduce the risk of infecting those around you. As we look to a time where we can begin to ease the Stay Home Order, we know that face coverings will be part of that future – and we want San Franciscans to become more comfortable with this new normal,” San Francisco Mayor London Breed said.

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Without Boris the UK gets even more rudderless.

UK Moves To Drop Huawei As 5G Vendor On China Coronavirus Transparency (NYP)

The UK is moving to drop Huawei as a vendor for the country’s 5G cellphone network in a major blow to Communist China over poor coronavirus transparency. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, now recovering from COVID-19, gave the Chinese company a role in 5G infrastructure this year, squashing opposition last month by 24 votes in the 650-seat House of Commons. But now, concern about the Chinese Communist Party’s inaccurate reporting on the coronavirus has lawmakers crafting plans for a retreat. “We need to devise a proper, realistic exit strategy from relying on Huawei,” Conservative Member of Parliament Damian Green told Bloomberg News.


“Our telecom providers … need to know the government is determined to drive down Huawei’s involvement to zero percent over a realistic timescale.” “The mood in the parliamentary party has hardened,” said Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative Party’s chairman of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee. “It’s a shared realization of what it means for dependence on a business that is part of a state that does not share our values,” Tugendhat said.

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I’m afraid to ask.

Where’s the $2.2 Trillion Bailout Money Going? (WS)

When the $2.2 trillion bailout package was being put together in Congress in all haste in March, a mad scramble broke out over who would get what. Part of this deal was the $349 billion Paycheck Protection Program for “small businesses” – which can be, as we now know, a publicly traded company with over 5,700 employees, or a KKR-backed power company that, upon getting the loan, files for prepackaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy. And so, the program already ran out of money as of Thursday, according to the SBA. “Notice: Lapse in Appropriations. The SBA is currently unable to accept new applications for the Paycheck Protection Program based on available appropriations funding,” it said on its website. The program dispersed 1.66 million loans, according to the SBA’s tally. There were 30.2 million small businesses in the US in 2019, so about 5.5% got loans.

What’s going to happen to the remaining 94.5% of the small businesses? Congress is contemplating a $250-billion expansion of the program that would cover maybe another 4% of small businesses. In other words, most small businesses aren’t going to get any of it. A small business under the plan is a business with 500 employees or fewer. Loans were capped at $10 million. But wait… 4,412 loans were issued in amounts larger than $5 million each. And we already know which company with 5,700 employees got $20 million. Yup, a restaurant chain, because they and hotel chains were exempted from the employee limit. Restaurants and hotels got their own limit: 500 employees per location. They accomplished this through magnificent lobbying efforts.

Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse [RUTH] – with about 5,700 employees at the end of last year and 159 restaurants across the US – disclosed in an SEC filing on April 13 that on April 7, four days after the SBA opened the filing process and as the system was bogged down, it obtained a PPP loan of $20 million, spread over two loans of $10 million each for two of its entities. JPMorgan Chase was the lender. If the company follows the rules, this $20 million will be forgiven. And then there is the curious case of Longview Power LLC, in which KKR, one of the big private equity firms, has a 40% stake as a result of Longview’s bankruptcy in 2015. Longview owns a 700-megawatt coal-fired power plant in West Virginia and has about 140 employees. It was approved for a PPP loan last Friday, and on Tuesday it announced that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

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“Money is not an economy. Money is a medium of exchange within an economy ..”

Flight Path (Kunstler)

The Covid-19 corona virus didn’t initiate the financial disorders of the moment in the US and Europe, but it ensured that there would not be another appearance of any “recovery” a la the central bank interventions of 2008-09. What it portends is a fast-track journey to a whole new disposition of things: first, for a while, a harsher, hungrier, angrier society of broken promises and dashed expectations; and then adaptation when a consensus emerges that the set of facts at hand amount to a new reality. In the meantime, we’re living in the meantime, which is not a comfortable place.

Money is not an economy. Money is a medium of exchange within an economy where people grow things, make things, move things, and serve each other in countless ways. We’re not going to replace all those growings, makings, movings, and services by just giving people money. Money may produce more money by the magic of compound interest, but money is not necessarily wealth, it just represents our ideas about wealth, and interest stops compounding anyway when the trend is clearly for reduced growings, makings, movings, and servicings. That’s exactly how and why capital vanishes. The hocus-pocus of Modern Monetary Theory can only pretend to work around that reality.

The world never reached such a pitch of activity up to the blow-ups of 2008, and it went through the motions for a decade after that. Now that it’s stopped, all that’s left is the law of gravity, and it doesn’t get more basic. The “wealth” acquired in the decade since by the so-called “one-percent” was loaded onto a defective aircraft, like a Boeing 737-MAX, and an awful lot of it will fall to earth now on broken wings. Their agents and praetorians on Wall Street are working feverishly to stave off that crash-landing, like a band of magicians casting spells on the ground while that big hunk of juddering metal augers earthward. Wait for it as spring brings new life across the land and things unseen before steal onto the scene.

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He can transform right back.

The Transformation of Emmanuel Macron (CN)

[..] something strange has happened since the Coronavirus hit France. An apparent humanity buried deep inside the French president has suddenly emerged—and let the bankers be damned. In an interview on Thursday with the Financial Times, Macron talked about economics as a “moral science” and said European debt should be mutualized, meaning northern Europeans should be on the hook for southern debt—or face the wrath of right-wing populists. He said the European Union was not just a market but was really about human beings. In other words, he was calling for state intervention in the economy, going against everything he has heretofore believed. “We are all embarking on the unthinkable,” he said.

“We are at a moment of truth, which is to decide whether the European Union is a political project or just a market project,” he said. “I think it’s a political project . . . We need financial transfers and solidarity, if only so that Europe holds on.” The French president said he sees the crisis as “an existential event for humanity that will change the nature of globalization and the structure of international capitalism,” the newspaper reported. “In recent years [globalization] increased inequalities in developed countries,” he admitted. “And it was clear that this kind of globalisation was reaching the end of its cycle, it was undermining democracy.”

Macron told the FT: “We are going to nationalise the wages and the P&L [the financial accounts] of almost all our businesses. That’s what we’re doing. All our economies, including the most [economically] liberal are doing that. It’s against all the dogmas, but that’s the way it is. “I believe [the EU] is a political project. If it’s a political project, the human factor is the priority and there are notions of solidarity that come into play . . . the economy follows on from that, and let’s not forget that economics is a moral science.”

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If you ever vote for these ghouls again, you deserve what you get.

Labour Party’s Own Senior Staff Acted To Keep Corbyn Out Of Power (ML)

In the June 2017 UK general election, Labour under Jeremy Corbyn came within a whisker of power. If just 2,227 votes had gone the other way, seven Tory knife-edge constituencies would have been won by Labour, putting Corbyn in a strong position to lead a coalition government. Labour achieved 40 per cent in the election, increasing its share of the vote by more than any other of the party’s election leaders since 1945. As we noted at the time, it was one of the most astonishing results in UK political history. A leaked internal Labour report now reveals that senior Labour figures were actively trying to stop Labour winning the general election in order to oust Corbyn as party leader.

The 860-page document, ‘The work of the Labour Party’s Governance and Legal Unit in relation to antisemitism, 2014 – 2019’, first leaked to Sky News, was the product of an extensive internal investigation into the way Labour handled antisemitism complaints. The report includes copious damning examples of email and WhatsApp exchanges among Labour officials expressing contempt for Jeremy Corbyn and anyone who supported him, including other Labour staff, Labour MPs and even the public. The document includes:

• Conversations on election night about the need to hide internal Labour disappointment that Corbyn had done better than expected and would be unlikely to resign
• Regular sneering references to Corbyn-supporting party staff as ‘trots’
• Conversations between senior staff in Labour general secretary Iain McNicol’s office in which they refer to former director of communications Seamus Milne as ‘dracula’, and saying he was ‘spiteful and evil and we should make sure he is never allowed in our Party if it’s last thing we do’
• Conversations in which the same group refers to Corbyn’s former chief of staff Karie Murphy as ‘medusa’, a ‘crazy woman’ and a ‘bitch face cow’ that would ‘make a good dartboard’
• A discussion in which one of the group members expresses their ‘hope’ that a young pro-Corbyn Labour activist, whom they acknowledge had mental health problems, ‘dies in a fire’.

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    Edward Hopper Cat boat 1922   • Antibody Study Suggests Coronavirus Far More Widespread Than Thought (G.) • No Evidence COVID-19 Survivors Have I
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 18 2020]

    #57408

    V. Arnold
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    Edward Hopper Cat boat 1922

    Wonderful artwork by Hopper; caught the beautiful lines of the hull and rig…

    If you ever vote for these ghouls again, you deserve what you get.

    LOL…in spades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #57409

    V. Arnold
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    Everything is being politicised, everything!
    As a result, the CV-19 “pandemic” has been turned into a total clusterfuck!
    A scan of the “news” will get you nothing but sensationalized bullshit; or, turn you into a helpless neurotic blob…
    Only with a critical eye and good information (critically read) will you gain any understanding of how things really are…
    As the two cows said: The worst is behind us and coming up fast…

    #57410

    Dr. D
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    The above rate is now 0.0006% death. Sounds like their models may need some work.

    Other news shows a sizeable proportion of Roosevelt sailors had the flu vaccine. Which is probably throwing huge “false” positives. Or protected them against Corona having effects. Again, why do we care who “has” it if it has no effects?

    “ UK Moves To Drop Huawei As 5G Vendor”

    Per Sumac, you have to understand what 5G is: microwave. So if you pollute, add nano metal particles, and then microwave them randomly, you get lung issues? Huh. Who could see that coming except every independent scientist who ever looked, and even some of the paid industry ones who flipped. Could gently microwaving people 24h/day be bad for their health? In the world of #AntiLogic, clearly that’s crazy, and we should never, ever look for independent research or facts on it. Because not looking for politics or profit is #Science! Or that’s what Science has become now anyway. And that’s beyond how 5G is super-expensive and provides essentially no additional service. Odd thing to lay your corporate life on: tech that no one wants, some people actively hate, and has no functional advantage.

    There just has to be a lot of that going on with Wu, since with a billion effected and 36,000 dead, they’re still claiming we know literally nothing about a virus whose family has been studied 70 years, and its closest cousin in the world’s highest tech DNA biolabs for 30. I find that pretty hard to believe. But go on, tell me how smart you are and how we should all listen to you when every day you repeat how you don’t know anything and the things you knew yesterday are reversed.

    Apparently everybody already has it (CA), but we’re still all going to die (don’t open).

    #57413

    WES
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    An irrelevant fact.

    Coyotes can run 10 miles per hour faster than road runners. That means they lied to us when we were growing up!

    #57414

    WES
    Participant

    I think I have finally figured out why so many US politicians are against Trump cutting US funding to the WHO.

    It is because so many of these politicians must be getting kickbacks from the WHO.

    The same goes for any kind of foreign spending by the US government.

    The name of the game is kickbacks! The more money sent outside the US, the bigger the kickbacks!

    Send the taxpayer’s money out of the US to be laundered, then return the cleaned money back to the US!

    The Ukraine is one of their favorite laundry mats!

    #57415

    boscohorowitz
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    “Coyotes can run 10 miles per hour faster than road runners. ”

    It’s revisionist history like this that keeps me awake at nights.;)
    ^^^

    A semi-informed question/conjecture:

    if COVID-19 is as asymptomatic as the proponderance of evidence I’ve seen suggests, could this mean it was running around considerably earlier than the officially noted Wuhan outbreak?

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    zerosum
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    COINCIDENCE
    If you are seeking the truth …. do what is being recommended by our host Read more …
    https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-becomes-first-airline-to-conduct-on-site-rapid-covid-19-tests-for-passengers/
    Dubai, UAE, 15 April 2020 – Emirates in coordination with Dubai Health Authority (DHA) will be introducing additional precautions. Passengers on today’s flight to Tunisia were all tested for COVID-19 before departing from Dubai. Emirates is the first airline to conduct on-site rapid COVID-19 tests for passengers.

    The quick blood test was conducted by the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) and results were available within 10 minutes. This test was conveniently done at the Group Check-in area of Dubai International Airport Terminal 3.

    I love this story.
    The service that the enablers can give to their masters, the elites.
    Do you expect that this kind of service will be available for the rifraf that is wanting to fly?
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    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/uss-theodore-roosevelt-coronavirus-numbers-imply-higher-infection-rate

    Of the ship’s 4,800-member crew, more than 600 sailors have tested positive for the virus. However, of those 600, 60% have not shown any symptoms associated with the illness.

    The virus’s numbers aboard the Roosevelt continue to raise questions about the true spread rate of the illness, as opposed to the numbers that testing in the United States, and around the world, are capturing.

    The proportion of people who are asymptomatic carriers of the virus remains unknown, but the Theodore Roosevelt’s figure is higher than the 25%-50% range that Dr. Fauci put forward in early April.

    I know why the number don’t match …..
    The testing kits are defectives
    ——–
    • Where’s the $2.2 Trillion Bailout Money Going? (WS)

    Coronavirus Drives Barrage of New Lobbying Activity

    You got to go and read the article if you are interested in the real juicy parts.
    You will find out who are the enablers, (lawyers, accountants) , (politely called Lobbying firms)


    Lobbying firms and their clients must file first-quarter lobbying reports by April 20. Those will reveal how much businesses spent to influence government policy during the first three months of 2020. Total lobbying spending is expected to be high, as every major industry affected by the coronavirus pandemic pushed to get their favored provisions into the stimulus bill. By Karl Evers-Hillstrom, Center for Responsive Politics

    Helicopter Money for Wall Street and the Wealthy: $2.06 Trillion in 5 Weeks. Regular folks, forget it. Read… Fed Massively Tapered QE-4. Hasn’t Bought Any Junk Bonds, Was Just Jawboning

    Everybody knows what is going on. Everybody accepts what is going on.
    Follow the rules written by the enablers.
    There is no proof of wrong doing – Biden
    The American dream.
    WES figured it out getting kickbacks
    ——-
    SENIORS ARE BEING USED AS A REASON TO TRANSFER TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, (JUBILEE), TO THE ELITES.

    COINCIDENCE??????

    #57418

    anticlimactic
    Participant

    THIS ‘DEADLY‘ VIRUS IS A SCAM!

    Using antibody tests on a random sample the Stanford study concludes that probably actual infections are 50 to 80 times higher than the official figure.

    This ties in with the NHS figures from the UK where 1.7 million had reported having the virus. You can probably add another 30% to this, which seems to be typical of asymptomatic carriers. The Stanford study suggests a further class : asymptomatic sufferers who recover and are NOT carriers, they simply do not realise they have had it!. And the NHS figure is two weeks old.

    Why weren’t the NHS figures added to the official figures?

    The only ‘official’ figures are those that have been tested, and testing in most Western countries is extremely restricted. This increases the apparent death rate making it seem much more deadly than it actually is. The ‘official’ figure will exclude almost everyone who had it and recovered, possibly 98% or more!

    Whenever people ‘look’ they seem to ‘find’ : In NYC 15% of pregnancies had antibodies. In a German town 14% had antibodies. Most asymptomatic. All countries should carry out similar antibody random tests to find out the true situation.

    The Stanford study concludes that Covid-19’s mortality rate among infected people would be on par with, or even less, than the seasonal flu.

    Lockdowns are pointless.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/486183-stanford-coronavirus-infection-rate-higher/

    #57419

    zerosum
    Participant

    Lockdowns are pointless.
    ??????
    I want to see the numbers from countries that cannot do lockdowns before reaching that conclusion.

    (SENIORS ARE BEING USED AS A REASON TO TRANSFER TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, (JUBILEE), TO THE ELITES.

    COINCIDENCE??????)

    #57420

    Bill7
    Participant

    Dr. D:

    “The above rate is now 0.0006% death. Sounds like their models may need some work.

    Other news shows a sizeable proportion of Roosevelt sailors had the flu vaccine. Which is probably throwing huge “false” positives. Or protected them against Corona having effects. Again, why do we care who “has” it if it has no effects?…”

    I hear you big-time Dr D: virtually every site now is hyping the dreaded™ coronavirus like there’s no toorrow.

    Here’s a couple that aren’t:
    Brave New Normal
    Covid-19 Global Lockdown

    and

    Coronavirus Lockdown and What You Are Not Being Told – Part 1

    Covid19: criminalising & pathologising dissent

    -Bill7, who remains #veryReserved.

    #57421

    zerosum
    Participant

    eating and having a piece of cake
    https://www.rt.com/usa/486183-stanford-coronavirus-infection-rate-higher/

    Covid-19 much more widespread than thought, and NO MORE DEADLY THAN FLU, suggests new Stanford study
    17 Apr, 2020 22:36 /

    Question:
    Does that mean that China was right not to panic?
    Does this study absolve China of hiding and falsifying data?

    #57422

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “The Stanford study concludes that Covid-19’s mortality rate among infected people would be on par with, or even less, than the seasonal flu. Lockdowns are pointless.”

    That’s first-order linear thinking.

    Add a second-dimension: the “average flu” is highly symptomatic in most seasons. You know when you have The Flu (caps to indicate the concept of ‘getting the flu’ having been successfully enshrined in popular Euromerican culture to the point where we don’t think of it as something to worry about except the frail, elderly, and very young — the usual exceptions).

    With normal The Flue, you may be contagious for a day or three until the symtpoms appear, but don’t spread it around for a week or three as with asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19. This makes it de facto much much much more contagious than most pathogens. This vastly increases its chances of infecting those people who are susceptible to it.

    It is not just about known fatality/severe illness %s alone. It is about how many people get the bug, period (and how soon, the velocity aspect of the necessary two-fold equation: ‘how fast? how dense?’). If a virus is 90% successful in infecting the populace, but has a 1% moratality rate, that’s more people than a virus with a 2% mortality rate that only infects 30% of the population.

    The velocity of contagion spread is how we control the density at a given moment, that place where reality actually happens and hospitals are overwhelmed along with morgues and so forth. Think of ultimate mortalioty/severe illness asa bandwidth issue, if it helps.

    The fact that the majority of a populace might be able to carry this thing contagiously and not have a clue is NOT a good thing.

    “Again, why do we care who “has” it if it has no effects?”

    You’re not even trying. You’re no fun anymore, says bosco, pouting like a pelican’s pouch with no fish.

    o

    #57423

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Burkhas are gonna be big, looks like. Let’s get some advert jingles underway:

    Burkha Boogie Woogie

    cuz ravioli cures The New Flu.

    #57424

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Dr. D: “Apparently everybody already has it (CA), but we’re still all going to die (don’t open).”

    Everybody?

    Even with the adjusted rate of infection as found by the study, only 3% of the population has coronavirus – that means 97% does not. To reach herd immunity 50% or more of the population would have to be infected and recovered from coronavirus.

    “Herd immunity” depends on reinfection not happening. But if those who recovered from Covid-19 (or were infected without having any symptoms) can get sick again from Covid-19 sometime in the future, then what?

    There is no evidence that people who have recovered from coronavirus have immunity to the disease... there is no proof that such antibody tests can show if someone who has been infected with COVID-19 cannot be infected again.”

    (quotes are from articles posted above)

    #57425

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    I’m intrigued by the influence of perspective on perception.

    For example, a perspective focused on They’re Lying To Us, like the OffGuardian article on criminalizing dissent posted by the reserved Bill 7, who appears to be one of the Numbered People prophesized by the prophet John Smith # 38* (“He did! He did! He did prophecize it!”). I only skim-read it, but what I saw seemed to rely on, er, reliable data. But do its conclusions about the untrustwortiness of the WHO, and similar points made by the article, justify the conclusion that if they are lying, the risk of covid-19 is therefore exaggerated? The Dire Consequence projected and anticipated therefore being major loss of our already dwindling civil liberties.

    For counterpoint example, there’s the perspective that Raul is often associated with, which is that the virus is a real danger, and that despite seemingly inflated claims of mortality by various authorities, said authorities aren’t doing nearly enough to prevent the virus from attaining a result closer than not to its potential worst, a lack of competence that this poerspective typoically attributes to greedy dogmatic incompetence? The Dire Consequence projected and anticipated being an overwhelmed health system, a colossal collapse* of our extremely top-heavy & unsustainable global economy, an uncommonly unpleasant number of very sick, or dead, people, leading to both massive civil disruption and/or massive authoritarian crackdowns.

    *38 There really was such a person.

    *those who see a ‘triggered demolition’ metaphor in this are not without justification

    #57426

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Around 2002-2003, Ilearned via online anecdote from someone on a news aggregator forum like this one, of an event wherein someone was arrested for breakinbg the law because they’d climbed down onto the subway tracks, an act which signs specifically outlawed, in order to rescue someone.

    The point being that authority in a society of Rule by Law under a Monopoly on Violence, naturally tends to enforce the law regardless of exonnerating circumstances. Leaders almost always believe that more rules and more enforcement is what’s needed (except for them and their peers, of course).

    So I’ll humbly submit (really! real humility! they had a sale at Costco!) that there needn’t be a covid-19master plan behind the CIC wanting more power over us and privilege for themself while lying and evading and double-talking and about-facing. This is what they do with pert near everything, best I can tell.

    #57427

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    One last thought before Saturday sweeps me away: if this is an intentionally introduced pathogen per some master plan, that plan might be to test the various parameters of global reaction to a perceived pandemic. A test run to see how well authroty structures hold up to such a threat.

    Such a test would naturally include an economic collapse, but were I an arrogant self-percieved superheroic rich genius, evil or not, I would know that the economy entered 2020 a mere feathered push from collapsing anyway.

    fwiw, this makes sense in terms of encroaching totalitarian rules aimed at resolving this perceived pandemic. Said rules could be sapplied to gauge public response, then lifted once the pandemic by itself faded out, leaving the CIC more informed as to what das sheeples will tolerate and so forth.

    #57428

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    I’m not sure but I think they’re arguing conspiracy theories. 😉

    Fraulein Edeka

    #57429

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/18/837855145/official-in-ecuador-says-thousands-more-people-may-have-died-than-government-has

    Guayaquil Ecuador. Morticians and grave yards taking in bodies per day that they normally see in a month. People trying to get medical care dying from respiratory failure in there homes before help can get there. Dead lying in the streets and homes for days. Backhoes quintupled to meet the grave digging demand.

    Coming to your town if you don’t stay the fuck home.

    #57430

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    The Revolution Should Not Be Televised

    cuz TV bad (true) and one can hardly watch and *do* at the same time.

    #57431

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    FYI and FWIW

    WHO Sets 6 Conditions For Ending A Coronavirus Lockdown

    …Any government that wants to start lifting restrictions, said Tedros of WHO, must first meet six conditions:

    1. Disease transmission is under control

    2. Health systems are able to “detect, test, isolate and treat every case and trace every contact”

    3. Hot spot risks are minimized in vulnerable places, such as nursing homes

    4. Schools, workplaces and other essential places have established preventive measures

    5. The risk of importing new cases “can be managed”

    6. Communities are fully educated, engaged and empowered to live under a new normal

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/15/834021103/who-sets-6-conditions-for-ending-a-coronavirus-lockdown

    The details from the original WHO document:

    Transitioning to and maintaining a steady
    state of low-level or no transmission

    For many countries and subnational authorities and
    communities, managing a controlled and deliberate transition
    from a scenario of community transmission to a sustainable,
    steady state of low-level or no transmission is, at present,
    the best-case outcome in the short and medium term in the
    absence of a safe and effective vaccine. For countries yet
    to report community transmission, preventing the escalation
    of transmission and maintaining a steady state of low-level
    or no transmission may be feasible.

    Achieving either of these aims will hinge on the ability
    of national and/or subnational authorities to ensure
    that six key criteria are satisfied:

    1 COVID‑19 transmission is controlled to a level of
    sporadic cases and clusters of cases, all from known
    contacts or importations and the incidence of new cases
    should be maintained at a level that the health system can
    manage with substantial clinical care capacity in reserve.

    2 Sufficient health system and public health capacities
    are in place
    to enable the major shift from detecting
    and treating mainly serious cases to detecting and
    isolating all cases, irrespective of severity and origin:
    • Detection: suspect cases should be detected quickly
    after symptom onset through active case finding,
    self-reporting, entry screening, and other approaches;
    • Testing: all suspected cases should have test results
    within 24 hours of identification and sampling, and
    there would be sufficient capacity to verify the virus-free
    status of patients who have recovered;
    • Isolation: all confirmed cases could be effectively
    isolated (in hospitals and/or designated housing for mild
    and moderate cases, or at home with sufficient support
    if designated housing is not available) immediately and
    until they are no longer infectious;
    • Quarantine: all close contacts could be traced,
    quarantined and monitored for 14 days, whether
    in specialized accommodation or self-quarantine.
    Monitoring and support can be done through
    a combination of visits by community volunteers,
    phone calls, or messaging.

    3 Outbreak risks in high-vulnerability settings
    are minimized
    , which requires all major drivers
    and/or amplifiers of COVID‑19 transmission to have
    been identified, with appropriate measures in place
    to minimize the risk of new outbreaks and of nosocomial
    transmission (e.g. appropriate infection prevention
    and control, including triage, and provision of personal
    protective equipment in health care facilities andresidential
    care settings).

    4 Workplace preventive measures are established
    to reduce risk, including the appropriate directives
    and capacities to promote and enable standard COVID-19
    prevention measures in terms of physical distancing, hand
    washing, respiratory etiquette and, potentially, temperature
    monitoring.

    5 Risk of imported cases managed through an
    analysis of the likely origin and routes of importations,
    and measures would be in place to rapidly detect and
    manage suspected cases among travelers (including
    the capacity to quarantine individuals arriving from
    areas with community transmission).

    6 Communities are fully engaged and understand that the
    transition entails a major shift, from detecting and treating
    only serious cases to detecting and isolating all cases, that
    behavioural prevention measures must be maintained, and
    that all individuals have key roles in enabling and in some
    cases implementing new control measures.

    Decisions about when and where to transition must
    be evidence based, data driven and implemented
    incrementally. It is essential to have real-time, accurate data
    on the testing of suspected cases, the nature and isolation
    status of all confirmed cases, the number of contacts per
    case and completeness of tracing, and the dynamic capacity
    of health systems to deal with COVID-19 cases.

    To reduce the risk of new outbreaks, measures should be
    lifted in a phased, step-wise manner based on an assessment
    of the epidemiological risks and socioeconomic benefits
    of lifting restrictions on different workplaces, educational
    institutions, and social activities (such as concerts, religious
    events, sporting events). Risk assessments may eventually
    benefit from serological testing, when reliable assays are
    available, to inform understanding of population susceptibility
    to COVID-19.

    Ideally there would be a minimum of 2 weeks (corresponding
    to the incubation period of COVID-19) between each phase
    of the transition, to allow sufficient time to understand the
    risk of new outbreaks and to respond appropriately.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6838637/COVID-19-Strategy-Update-14April2020.pdf

    #57432

    zerosum
    Participant

    WHO should know that there are many countries that cannot impose A Coronavirus Lockdown and therefore cannot End A Coronavirus Lockdown

    If anybody want to impose an isolation, (hoping to protect themselves), greater than what exist due to politics and geography are doomed to failure.

    #57433

    Rototillerman
    Participant

    My wife the epidemiologist, who directed our states response to SARS (1) and Ebola and a couple of other near-pandemics, says contact tracing of Covid-19 is very problematic, due to the aerosol spread via aysmptomatic carriers. Specifically, the State would have to be incredibly aggressive about what is considered “contact:” were you on a bus with someone who later tested positive? Were you in a store with someone who later tested positive? Did you walk behind an unmasked person outdoors at the recommended social distancing for a block? In the past, contact tracing was much more cut and dried: did you visit someone who was positive? Did you sit next to someone on a plane who was positive? Etc. Essentially, we would have to accept a vast amount of “health surveillance” where Big Brother watches everyone’s moves via facial recognition on CCTV or via Bluetooth proximity apps, and I for one don’t want to go there.

    #57434

    VietnamVet
    Participant

    There was/is about a dozen ships with thousands aboard sailing the seas or docked that are perfect Wuhan coronavirus petri-dishes. The astonishing thing about corporate owned fake media is that no-one has complied the results from each. My summary, off the top: 1) The coronavirus is contagiousness and asymptomatic in 40% to 50% of those infected. Temperature screening is worthless. Half of the virus shredders pass through. 2) The infection lasts around a month. 3) With competent healthcare the death rate is less than 1% but about 10-fold higher than seasonal flu. 4) Despite quarantine efforts around 50% aboard the ships got infected. 5) Around 15 to 20% of the infected need hospital care. Healthcare systems have already been overwhelmed in Wuhan city, Iran, Italy, Spain, England, New Jersey, NY State, Louisiana and Massachusetts. When hospitals collapse the overall death-rate climbs above 10%.

    The US federal government has collapsed. Congress is in hiatus. Oligarchs saved. Workers screwed. Both political parties failed to pick competent Presidential candidates.

    Simply put as long as there are coronavirus spreaders in the population, the uninfected will have around a fifty-fifty chance of being infected if have contact or come in contact with an infected person’s coughs or sneezes. The newly infected have one in ten chance of having to going to the hospital to keep breathing or staying home and dying. The only way to lower this risk and open up the economy safely is to test, trace and isolate the infected. Only the federal government has fiat money to pay for the staff and facilities to do this. The basic fact that sole purpose of government, saving the lives of its citizens, is being ignored by all is proof positive that the Western Empire has fallen. The West is about to go through an upheaval similar to collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, the Great Depression, and the Spanish Flu, all combined together, at the same time.

    #57435

    They need a bit of info that their models cannot show
    Despite their simulations and their trials.
    How long will you endure this?
    And when will you rebel?
    The BREAKING POINT is what they want to know.

    “They” are the top of the hierarchical pyramid of power in the world.
    History is written to prove They have always been around: we are told it is the proper order. History also shows They fear the masses, and the history of science and technology is a tale of These people exploiting the brains and brawn of the masses to enslave those masses in ever sneakier ways.
    It appears they have a doozy in The Virus. We fear death. We ache at the sad stories of the deaths of others. The Virus is the newest threat: it unites us. We want to DO something.

    What are we being told to do? Accept destitution and the dole? Never touch each other again? No more sports or concerts or state fairs? Forget weekends at the haunt, the birthday parties, our funerals and weddings and graduations and communal worship? What about juries? And libraries? And civic meetings? Congress?
    In short: are we to do nothing? Even when They come and take away your wife, your child, YOU- because of a positive “test”?
    Is all that okay??? The fuzzy facts are good enough for that?

    #57436

    Bill7
    Participant

    Guessing Mister BoscoHorowitz– who seems, curiously, to have plenty of time on his hands– is Sponsored™ Content.

    HallofMirrors2020

    #57437

    seychelles
    Participant

    Here’s a fun speculative link that I found in a GizaDeathStar post that some of you may find interesting: https://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-covid-19-hysteria-is-this-real.html

    #57438

    zerosum
    Participant

    Are you interested in getting granular info?
    Then dig into the following info.

    http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/data

    BC COVID-19 Data
    Here you will find the latest data on COVID-19 cases in British Columbia.

    Look for age, sex, location, and determine if you were in that region, ask yourself if you would be in danger of getting the virus and of dying.
    What would be the best approach that should be imposed to minimize your exposure and transmission to others?

    #57439

    zerosum
    Participant

    Bill7

    What are you hinting?/

    #57440

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    I do have an abundance of time on my hands. 24 hours a day, reliably. An awful lot of people do lately. Don’t know why that should inspire curiosity.

    But I’m not sure what Sponsored(TM) content implies, so I can neither confirm nor deny uour speculation without more specific info. If it means ‘graphomaniac’, that’s a close fit.

    Also, I like posting songs:

    Wild Things

    #57441

    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    They must care very much about what we think because they’re churning out so may versions of what that is, or what it should be, what it would be if Trump wasn’t such a meany , or if well known liars hadn’t fibbed. Confusing. But at least they show they care.

    What worries me more is the deeply disappointing quality of the propaganda itself. It’s so slapdash and hasty. Almost perfunctory. Why if I didn’t know better (and I definitely don’t) I might suspect that their primal survival instincts are starting to fuck with their merely mercenary instinct for who to lie for.

    But not to worry. It’s when they stop even bothering to lie at all that I will duck and cover.

    #57442

    zerosum
    Participant

    Children don’t get the virus. Why?
    Do they make the anti-virus?
    Would their blood save the elderly?

    #57443

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Would their blood save the elderly?

    Oooooo….
    Now there is a slippery slope you don’t want to go down…
    😉

    #57444

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    China has received 50 tons of vitamin C for treating the CV-19 virus.
    In NY doctors are also using vitamin C, IV, to treat CV-19 to great effect.
    The doses are 100 – 200mg per kilogram of body weight per day. For me (66kg) that would be 13,200mg.
    I have been a long time proponent of V-C therapy and can say my experience has been very positive with no adverse affects. Linus Pauling was an early adopter/advocate for large doses (4,000mg) per day.
    I’ve been using V-C (1,000mg tablets) for decades as a daily routine and in much larger amounts for nasty colds and sinusitis.
    Presently I’m taking 6 – 7, 1,000mg tablets per day prophylacticly.
    It’s cheap, effective, and safe.
    Do your own research so you can be informed and make up your own mind on what course to follow.
    Do not just take my words and anecdotal experiences…

    #57445

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    My understanding is that children do indeed get the virus.

    #57446

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Dr B SMith: happy that I heard the resonance in your remarks.

    #57447

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    A closing thought for the day:

    If there is one reason why this round of mutant flu virus has become the centerpiece of global consciousness, it saure seems to be that China shut down one of its major manufacturing centers because people were getting very sick and dying. I can’t think of any other reason for why it got everyone’s attention.

    I know that this event is what caused me to remark here that the wuhan “kung flu” (as we called it for awhile) sure seemed to be the Black Swan we have been anticipating.

    So, if someone is looking for puppet strings behind all this, those strings’ pivotal yoke would be that an entire city was quarantined even though it hurt the fortunes of China in a very damaging way.

    Now that the existence and impact of COVID-19 is a (increasingly wearisome) household notion, I think we perhaps forget that simple fact: however dubious the alarm over the bug seems, it started with a very real and powerfully consequential event.

    #57448

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “dreaded™”

    Now I get it. It’s kind of an ad hominem appeal-to-anti-authority false dichotomy.

    Keeping an open mind and holding to one’s own counsel confuses to many people: ‘He doesn’t support my view so he must support the views that I disbelieve.’

    the Middle of the Road… is a tricky place to stand. You get it both ways. But you can see clear down the track both ways without getting run over by all the mutually opposing traffic.

    Yeah, Chrissie Lynde is great, but for my money, the drummer makes this band.

    #57449

    Concerning children: It seems to run around <2% of the infected are children.
    “As of March 8, 2020, just one pediatric death was reported among confirmed COVID-19 cases in China, and as of March 15, 2020, none of the 1,625 deaths associated with COVID-19 in Italy were among children aged <18 years. In Spain, no pediatric deaths were reported as of March 16, 2020. In the U.S., as of April 2, 2020, there have been three deaths among children with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection that have been reported to CDC, but the contribution of SARS-CoV-2 infection to the cause of death in these cases is unclear.”
    The above is from the cdc’s information for pediatric healthcare providers. The article is updated as of April17th. I don’t know why the numbers are so old.

    I think something has been overlooked when a contagious disease rarely affects children.

    I’m thinking that to nearly exempt children (<19 years old) as it does, The Virus needs a co-factor- something that children rarely encounter. ACEi (angiotensin coenzyme inhibitors), statins, and other, older adult, globally-used drugs – come to mind.
    A side effect of ACE inhibitors that prompts many to ditch them is a dry, persistent cough. Stronger doses are given to men, and men take them more than women.

    “To sum up, … If ACEIs/ARBs do own the ability to upregulate the expression and activity of ACE2 in lungs, they may play a dual role in COVID‐19. On the one hand, the higher level of ACE2 might increase the susceptibility of cells to SARS‐CoV‐2. On the other hand, the activation of ACE2 might ameliorate the acute lung injury induced by SARS‐CoV‐2.”
    The following in brackets is the like a link. 🙁
    [From Journal of the American Heart Association. “Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID‐19) and Cardiovascular Disease: A Viewpoint on the Potential Influence of Angiotensin‐Converting Enzyme Inhibitors/Angiotensin Receptor Blockers on Onset and Severity of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection.”]

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