Jul 152021
 


Utagawa Hiroshige Sudden Evening Shower on the Great Bridge near Atake 1857

 

Are Recovered Covid Patients More Protected Than The Vaccinated? (ToI)
4,450 Breakthrough Cases, 79 Deaths Among Fully Vaccinated In Massachusetts (CBS)
Indonesia Regulator Allows Ivermectin Use For Covid Treatment (ZH)
Bayesian Meta Analysis of Ivermectin Effectiveness in Treating Covid-19 (RG)
Prior SARS-CoV-2 Infection Rescues B And T Cell Responses To Variants (SciMag)
Yep *******s, And It’s About DAMNED TIME (Denninger)
Canada Clinic Network to Track COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Events (TSN)
The Approaching Storm (CJ Hopkins)
Which Would You Rather Have? (Denninger)
Merkel Rejects Calls For Compulsory Vaccination Of Key Workers (IT)
Mass Protests In Greece As Unvaccinated Banned From Indoor Public Spaces (RT)
Assange May Never Recover From ‘Torture’ At Belmarsh – Doctor (RT)

 

 

“FOI request to the Scottish Government regarding deaths after vaccination, I received my reply, it stated from December 17th 2020 to June 21st 2021, just 6 months;

5,522 people have died within 28 days of receiving a covid vaccination”

Note Ilargi: Scotland population is about 5.5 million, so 1 in 1,000 died from vaccination. Remember, these are just the ones that are registered as such. Of course, people die from other causes after vaccination, but that distortion is more than made up for by the distortion of not filling in vaccination as cause of death. We need openness, but we’re not going to get it.

Do the math for your own country. And yes, it means 60,000 British deaths, and 320,000 Americans. From vaccination.

 

 

Did this really turn from a fact into a question just because Fauci said vaccine protection is superior?

Are Recovered Covid Patients More Protected Than The Vaccinated? (ToI)

Citing very preliminary data, Channel 13 reports that those who recovered from COVID-19 may be better protected from reinfection than those who received the vaccine. Since May 1, 72 people who previously had COVID were infected again, accounting for 1 percent of confirmed new cases, while 3,000 who were vaccinated have been infected — 40% of confirmed new cases. Some experts conclude that those who had COVID are relatively safe from reinfection. But other health officials counter that the data does not take into account that new outbreaks did not spread in areas that previously saw massive outbreaks during the pandemic, such as in the ultra-Orthodox community, reports Channel 13

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See if you can find the numbers near you. Then multiply them by 10 or 100.

4,450 Breakthrough Cases, 79 Deaths Among Fully Vaccinated In Massachusetts (CBS)

According to new numbers from the Massachusetts Department of Health, there are 4,450 breakthrough COVID cases and 79 deaths among the fully vaccinated population in the state. As of July 10, only 0.1 percent of the 4,195,844 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the virus after getting the vaccine. The number of vaccinated people includes those who have been administered both doses of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, or the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Among the 4,450 cases, there were 4,124 people who did not need hospitalization. There were also 247 people that were hospitalized, but did not die.


“All available data continue to support that all 3 vaccines used in the US are highly protective against severe disease and death from all known variants of COVID-19,” the Department of Public Health said. “People who are unvaccinated should continue to wear masks, especially indoors. And individuals who are feeling ill, should get tested for COVID-19.”

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“..greatly hated by the establishment due to its low price and its ability to eradicate the covid plague which the establishment desperately needs to perpetuate a state of constant near-panic..”

Indonesia Regulator Allows Ivermectin Use For Covid Treatment (ZH)

Merely mentioning the name of the vaccine-busting drug Ivermectin in the US is enough to get you carted off for “questioning” to the nearest illegal CIA blacksite, have the NSA leak all your private information to MSNBC, WaPo and the NYT and quietly shipped off to Guantanamo for permanent re-education under the daily auspices of Critical Race Theory. But not in the “banana republic” of Indonesia, where on Thursday, Ivermectin was officially approved for covid treatment in a vicious blow to the “buy my vaccine” pharmaceutical lobby around the world. According to Bloomberg, Indonesia’s food and drug regulator, known as BPOM, has issued a letter approving the distribution of Ivermectin, Remdesivir, Favipiravir, Oseltamivir, immunoglobulin, Tocilizumab, Azithromycin and Dexametason to be used in treatment of Covid-19, according to a statement from the agency. The latter, Bloomberg adds, was issued as guidance for distributors of the drugs.

The startling development – if only to the anti-Ivermectin oligarchs in “developed” Western nations – takes place two weeks after eight hospitals in Indonesia began conducting clinical trials on Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine that has appeared to be a potential Covid-19 medication and which is greatly hated by the establishment due to its low price and its ability to eradicate the covid plague which the establishment desperately needs to perpetuate a state of constant near-panic not to mention enabling trillions in fiscal and monetary stimulus, following a permit issued by the national agency of drug and food control. BPOM’s head Penny K. Lukito said at a press conference on Monday (June 28) that global data and guidelines from the WHO show that Ivermectin, previously used for deworming, can also be used for Covid-19 treatment.

However, while the BOMP said on June 28 that data are still being collected and the results are not conclusive, it appears that two weeks later it has found enough conclusive data to formally approve Ivermectin for covid treatment. Indonesia is scrambling to contain the covid pandemic, having overnight surpassed India’s daily Covid-19 case numbers, and becoming Asia’s new virus epicenter as the spread of the highly-contagious delta variant drives up infections in Southeast Asia’s largest economy The country has seen its daily case count cross 40,000 for three straight days — including a record high of 54,517 on Wednesday — up from less than 10,000 a month ago. Officials are concerned that the more transmissible new variant is now spreading outside of the country’s main island, Java, and could exhaust hospital workers and supplies of oxygen and medication. That said, Indonesia’s current numbers are still far from India’s peak of 400,000 daily cases in May, and its total outbreak of 2.7 million is barely a tenth of the Asian giant’s 30.9 million.

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Neil and Norman Fenton Risk Information and Management Research School of Electronic Engineering and Computer Science, Queen Mary University of London.

Bayesian Meta Analysis of Ivermectin Effectiveness in Treating Covid-19 (RG)

Abstract – A recent peer reviewed meta-analysis evaluating ivermectin (Bryant et al, 2021) concluded that this antiparasitic drug is a cheap and effective treatment for reducing Covid-19 deaths. These conclusions were in stark contrast to those of a later study (Roman et al, 2021). Although (Roman et al, 2021) applied the same classical statistical approach to meta-analysis, and produced similar results based on a subset of the same trials data used by (Bryant et al), they claimed there was insufficient quality of evidence to support the conclusion Ivermectin was effective. This paper applies a Bayesian approach, to a subset of the same trial data, to test several causal hypotheses linking Covid-19 severity and ivermectin to mortality and produce an alternative analysis to the classical approach.


Applying diverse alternative analysis methods which reach the same conclusions should increase overall confidence in the result. We show that there is overwhelming evidence to support a causal link between ivermectin, Covid-19 severity and mortality, and: i) for severe Covid-19 there is a 90.7% probability the risk ratio favours ivermectin; ii) for mild/moderate Covid-19 there is an 84.1% probability the risk ratio favours ivermectin. Also, from the Bayesian meta-analysis for patients with severe Covid-19, the mean probability of death without ivermectin treatment is 22.9%, whilst with the application of ivermectin treatment it is 11.7%. The paper also highlights advantages of using Bayesian methods over classical statistical methods for meta-analysis.

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Vaccines are destroying T cells?

Prior SARS-CoV-2 Infection Rescues B And T Cell Responses To Variants (SciMag)

During clinical trials of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 vaccines, no one who had survived infection with the virus was tested. A year after the pandemic was declared, vaccination of previously infected persons is a reality. Reynolds et al. address the knowledge gap in a cohort of UK health care workers given the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which half of the participants had experienced natural virus infections early in the pandemic (see the Perspective by Crotty). Genotyping indicated that a genetic component underlies heterogeneity in immune responses to vaccine and to natural infection.


After vaccination, naïve individuals developed antibody responses similar to those seen in naturally infected persons, but T cell responses were more limited and sometimes absent. However, antibody and memory responses in individuals vaccinated after infection were substantially boosted to the extent that a single vaccine dose is likely to protect against the more aggressive B.1.1.7 variant. It is possible that the messenger RNA vaccine has an adjuvant effect, biasing responses toward antibody generation.

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“..no state agency has the right to coerce, cajole or lead minors to do something that is demonstrably stupid on the arithmetic and stick the parents with the cost when the bet goes bad.”

Yep *******s, And It’s About DAMNED TIME (Denninger)

Oh look, backlash. “On June 25th, Fiscus asked about reminder postcards that were scheduled to go out to teens who had received a first dose of the COVID vaccine and were due to receive a second. State epidemiologist Dr. John Dunn answered: “Hold all program communications about immunizations until further notice.” Do you know why? Because Fiscus decided to trumpet the so-called mature minor doctrine and thus not require minors to obtain parental consent to get the Tard Shot. She also had TNDOH running paid Twitter ads aimed directly at minors which is a wildly inappropriate act. Problem: Said minor, if they had an adverse event, obligated their parents to pay for the adverse event up to and including permanently obligating them to care for said person for the rest of their lives.

This could trivially destroy said adults both personally (through loss of their child) and financially without them having any input into the process. An adult, of course, is free to make such a decision and eat the consequences, up to and including death or permanent disability. Given that Johns Hopkins now publishes an online calculator and has since December of 2020 that makes clear the risk of death from Covid-19 is lower than that of the jabs by a factor of 10 or more for people who are not seriously compromised medically as an adult if you decide to get jabbed and lose the bet that’s your problem. Yes, the odds are low but when the odds are 10x lower you’ll get killed by the infection itself, with zero long-term data on those risks which are in addition to immediate, short-term death on nothing more than mathematics taking the jab is stupid.

Further, it is now clear on data from Israel that if you were previously infected you have nearly seven times less risk of being re-infected than if you get vaccinated. This in turn means the shots are worthless in previously-infected persons, wildly unethical and administering one constitutes gross malpractice because there is no possible benefit and only risk. Any medical treatment of any sort which cannot confer benefit but has, as do all treatments, risk is by definition of both ethics and law improper and under long-standing law is cause for termination of one’s medical license. You have the right, as an adult, to engage in behavior that might seriously injure or kill you. You can cave-dive. You can skydive. You can have unprotected anal sex. You can bicycle without a helmet.

You can make medical decisions that are irrational on a cold, statistical basis of mathematical risk assessment when you have other alternative courses of action available to you because you are scared or because you are stupid, just like you have the right to do all manner of other things and potentially ruin your life. That freedom — and the consequences, for good or bad, is what being an adult is. But no state agency has the right to coerce, cajole or lead minors to do something that is demonstrably stupid on the arithmetic and stick the parents with the cost when the bet goes bad. State agencies, when it comes to mandates, coercion or cajoling people, especially minors where the person in question is neither personally or financially responsible for outcomes, have a duty to NOT engage in pressure campaigns where the underlying statistical risk of harm calculation for the person in question is negative, as is clearly the case for Covid-19 vaccines in virtually all minors.

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First thing they say: “The COVID-19 vaccines authorized by Health Canada have been incredibly safe..”

Can you be more biased? Maybe someone else should do the tracking.

Canada Clinic Network to Track COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Events (TSN)

The Canadian government’s COVID-19 Immunity Task Force (CITF) and Vaccine Surveillance Reference Group (VSRG) announced an $800,000 investment as part of a quest to better understand how to improve Canada’s identification and response to the adverse events people may experience following COVID-19 vaccination across 10 provinces. This is an extension of an existing vaccine safety initiative that was set up to offer public health information about adverse events following immunization for all vaccines authorized for use in adults and children in the nation. The funding propels a study forward, allowing a more methodical and systematic tracking of adverse events associated with the COVID-19 vaccines authorized in Canada.

Although it may not seem like big news, this announcement is tacit recognition of mounting safety reports associated with vaccines that at least in America, are still considered investigational—that is, they are not formally approved or registered but authorized under emergency use in the nation to the south. In Canada, Dr. Karina Top, Principal Investigator (PI) for this initiative as well as lead investigator of the Canadian Immunization Research Network’s (CIRN) Special Immunization Clinic (SIC) Network, which conducts the study, commented, “While the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccination continue to outweigh the risks, when a patient develops an unexpected or serious adverse event that requires medical attention, it is important we determine the possible role of the vaccine and the safety of giving future vaccine doses to this specific person or to people with similar adverse events.”

[..] Of course, it makes sense to have a surveillance study like this—it’s to be applauded. But the investigators involved must be mindful of each and every word uttered. Dr. Scott Halperin, the Vaccine Surveillance Reference Group (VSRG) Co-Chair, is a case in point. He also serves as co-investigator on this study and PI of CIRN. Dr. Halperin declared, “The COVID-19 vaccines authorized by Health Canada have been incredibly safe, especially considering the millions of people worldwide who have received a vaccine and the small number of adverse events to date.”

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“NO FREEDOM FOR THE UNVACCINATED!”

The Approaching Storm (CJ Hopkins)

Brainwashing the masses is all fine and good, but, at some point, you need to goad the people who are resisting your new totalitarian “reality” into getting unruly, so you can crack down on them, and transform them into official enemies, which appears to be what is happening currently. GloboCap is dialing up the totalitarianism, and they are rubbing it in our faces. Here in New Normal Germany, prominent health officials are openly barking out Goebbelsian slogans like “NO FREEDOM FOR THE UNVACCINATED!” and “THE UNVACCINATED ARE A DANGER TO SOCIETY!” All over Europe, including the UK, where “Freedom Day” is fast approaching, pseudo-medical social-segregation systems are being implemented. In France, Greece, and many other countries, people who refuse to be “vaccinated” are being stripped of their jobs and otherwise punished.

In the USA, where the Unvaccinated are also being segregated, New Normal goon squads are going door-to-door, bullying “vaccine hesitant” families into conforming to the new official ideology. And so on … I’m tired of citing the facts. They do not make the slightest difference to the vast majority of New Normals, anyway. As I’ve noted in several previous columns, these people have surrendered their rationality, and have been subsumed into a totalitarian movement, which has become their perceptual and social “reality,” which their “sanity” now depends upon defending, so the facts mean absolutely nothing to them. And you already know the facts. Yes, you. Us. The others. The Unvaccinated. The “Covid deniers.”

You don’t really think any hardcore New Normals have made it this far into this column, do you? They haven’t. If they stumbled into it on the Internet and accidentally started to read it, their brains switched off in the opening paragraph … literally, neurologically, switched off. They recognized it as a threat to their “reality” and instantly erased it from their consciousness, or they reported it to the proper authorities, perhaps the FBI, the Bundesnachrichtendienst, or Facebook, or some other global corporation. This is what it has come to, folks … people are reporting other people’s “thoughtcrimes” to global corporations and the law enforcement agencies of “democratic” governments in the hopes of destroying or damaging their lives, or, at the very least, getting them censored, or otherwise erased from public view.

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“..that statement was a bald-faced lie intended to induce you to do something that was, on-balance, known to be dangerous simply because we deliberately did not take the time to find out.”

Which Would You Rather Have? (Denninger)

You have two choices:

• Risk Covid-19 infection. Do what you can to blunt and prevent it up front. You may be resistant (80% of the population was and is) by cross-reaction, but there is no cheap and available way to know, nor to quantify how resistant; it could range from “immune” to “will get sniffles” to “will get a mild flu.” If you get infected anyway then choose to either (1) tough it out and do nothing or (2) hit it immediately with drugs that we have decades of data on — they may do nothing or they may help but the odds are overwhelming that they will not kill you. Either way, once you get infected you have a measure of immunity. This is what everyone has done with every respiratory pandemic in history up until this one, except that until the last 30 or 40 years there were no early treatments at all, so “tough it out” it was.

• Take a lightly-tested shot. With that option you get some measure of immunity. However, the usual testing for adverse effects was truncated severely. There was no, for example, sample group of 1,000 where everyone got blood drawn and a panoply of tests run every few days for a couple of months to gauge immediate adverse effect impact. The usual dose-ranging studies were truncated, so whether you really needed the “full dose” or a quarter of it would do the same thing is unknown, and whether the adverse effects were more-severe with a higher dose is also unknown. Pharmacological distribution studies, also part of the usual testing paradigm for a drug, were either not done at all or not published, so where the shot accumulates along with its products were…. unknown (now known due to a leak of a paper out of Japan, and it’s not good.)

The claim, made without evidence, was that the immunity provided by the second choice was at least as good if not better than that provided by the first choice. There was zero scientific evidence for this; that statement was a bald-faced lie intended to induce you to do something that was, on-balance, known to be dangerous simply because we deliberately did not take the time to find out.

There is now evidence emerging that the second choice is wildly dangerous. Emerging evidence is that six in ten jab recipients in a small study have elevated clotting indications. For comparison in healthy adults about 1 in 10 has an elevated level in this test without showing pathology. It is very likely this is not harmless but at present we have exactly zero data on how dangerous that elevation will prove over time. I note that clotting disorders of any sort are the kind of thing that produce both heart attacks and strokes, and if you are diagnosed with this under ordinary circumstances doctors get real worried about what might happen either immediately or in the foreseeable future. We didn’t know this up front because we did not look but it correlates with the examples of sudden stroke and heart attack that are being occasionally reported soon after getting the jabs. Is the risk immediate and then over? We don’t know.

Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is a serious condition now associated with these jabs. It occasionally shows up in people as a result of viral infection. It is now showing up at a significantly elevated rate after taking the jabs, especially in young men. We do not know why. We do not know why because, once again, we did not do the work early on to detect troponin and d-Dimer elevation during the early tests. This work was not done because it takes time and it was most-important for TRUMP and BIDEN to both start jabbing people immediately and then for both, along with Governors and State Health Department officials, to coerce people by lying to them about safety and claiming that these jabs were in fact tested and known to be safe. So-called “private entities” including businesses and colleges jumped on the bandwagon. Note that neither private firms or colleges are immune from suit for getting it wrong; the drug companies are but not educational institutions or employers, including medical employers.

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Imagine living on the -wrong side of the- French-German border.

Merkel Rejects Calls For Compulsory Vaccination Of Key Workers (IT)

German chancellor Angela Merkel has dismissed calls for compulsory vaccinations among key workers, and urged citizens to get their jabs against Covid-19 jabs – and lobby friends and family to do the same. Dr Merkel said Germany was determined to avoid a fourth wave but, as cases involving the Delta virus variant rise, it would not follow France and Greece and require healthcare and other workers to be vaccinated. “The more people are vaccinated, the more free we will be again, the more freely we will be able to live again,” she said. “We are in the phase where we are still promoting vaccines voluntarily, and my request to you all is to make the case for the vaccine, everywhere there are people who know and trust each other.”

She was speaking after visiting the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), Germany’s infectious diseases body which has co-ordinated the pandemic response. It says some 43 per cent of German residents have been fully vaccinated while just under 60 per cent have received one shot. RKI officials say they will need a vaccination quota of at least 85-90 per cent to protect the population through so-called herd immunity. “We are seeing only a very small section of the populace where . . . they won’t let themselves be vaccinated,” said Dr Lothar Wieler, RKI president, placing their number at under 10 per cent. Germany’s federal health minister Jens Spahn said that, unlike the early days of the vaccination programme, there were no vaccine supply problems any more and thus “no excuses”.

“Whoever doesn’t let themselves be vaccinated today cannot complain tomorrow that he isn’t invited to a party,” said Mr Spahn, predicting growing social pressure on the unvaccinated. He is calling on German sports and culture clubs to boost the vaccination drive by arranging vaccination evenings with a local doctor. From Friday, drive-in vaccinations will be available at a Berlin Ikea furniture store. With an eye on the new school term, however, some advisers to the government are demanding greater efforts to protect schoolchildren, who have yet to be vaccinated. “We need mandatory vaccination for personnel in schools and nurseries,” said Prof Wolfram Henn, a geneticist and member of the German Ethics Council. “Anyone who chooses of their own free will to work with vulnerable people takes on a special professional responsibility.”

Recent weeks have seen Germany’s seven-day incidence rate notch upward but, at 6.5 cases per 100,000 people over seven days, it is a long way from the rates above 170 seen in the springtime third wave.

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Still a society drenched in totalitarianism, and the kind of reaction that comes with that.

Mass Protests In Greece As Unvaccinated Banned From Indoor Public Spaces (RT)

Thousands took the streets in two of Greece’s largest cities to protest new health mandates – which bar the unvaccinated from many public spaces and require medical staff to take the shot – as well as plans to immunize teenagers. Large crowds of demonstrators were seen in Athens and Thessaloniki on Wednesday, numbered in the thousands according to the Associated Press, some reportedly chanting “Hands off our kids!” while others hoisted banners reading “We say no to vaccine poison.” The protests come on the heels of several new pandemic measures, one of which effectively closes all indoor public places to the unvaccinated, including bars, restaurants, theaters and other entertainment venues.

The policy takes effect on Friday and will remain at least until the end of August, part of an effort to curb transmission at crowded bars and clubs, which the government has blamed for a recent surge in cases. “After a year and a half, no one can claim ignorance about the coronavirus anymore,” Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said earlier this week. “The country will not shut down again due to attitudes adopted by certain people … It’s not Greece that’s a danger, but unvaccinated Greeks.” Nursing home staff will also be required to be vaccinated starting on August 16, facing suspension without pay if they fail to take the shot. A similar rule will come into force in September for workers at all public and private hospitals.

Clinics that flout the new restriction could be slapped with a 50,000-euro fine. In another controversial move set to begin on Thursday, the government will also allow teens as young as 15 to receive the coronavirus vaccine with the consent of a parent or guardian. Despite their size and energy, Wednesday’s protests appeared to remain peaceful. While helmeted riot police were seen in some images, the law enforcement presence was not apparent in much of the footage circulating online. No clashes were reported.

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In your name.

Assange May Never Recover From ‘Torture’ At Belmarsh – Doctor (RT)

A doctor who has joined other medical professionals in calling for Julian Assange’s release from prison told RT that the WikiLeaks co-founder’s arbitrary and cruel detention continues to put him at risk of suicide. The same concerns about Assange’s mental health that led to the High Court in London blocking his extradition to the US in January are still relevant, perhaps even more so, today, Dr. William Hogan, a specialist in internal medicine and professor of biomedical informatics at the University of Florida’s College of Medicine, said. Hogan was among more than 200 medical experts who signed an open letter published last month in the respected medical journal The Lancet, which demanded an end to the “torture and medical neglect” faced by the Australian journalist as he languishes in London’s maximum-security Belmarsh Prison.


Speaking to RT, the American doctor and academic cited expert testimony suggesting that Assange suffers from “severe signs of mental illness and mental stress,” including auditory hallucinations that are “persecutory” in nature. Securing Assange’s release would be the first step in trying to mend the extensive psychological damage, Hogan explained. While stressing that he was not a psychologist, the doctor said Assange would require “intensive treatment” and that some aspects of the trauma would likely be “permanent.” The problem is potentially life-threatening, Hogan claimed, pointing to Belmarsh’s high suicide rate and noting that an inmate had recently taken his own life after just two days in the prison. Assange has endured some eight months without visitors due to Covid restrictions, and was only recently able to see his fiancée.

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  • #79848

    On the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control’s latest Covid map, the Netherlands has turned red, the highest danger warning. Or wait, not quite, the northern province of Groningen is even dark red. This absolute hellhole reported 0 hospitalizations and 0 deaths.

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    #79849
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    I preferred the old Who:

    #79850
    Oroboros
    Participant

    In the interview between Dr David Martin and Reiner Fuellmich, Dr Martin stressed that the entire Sars Cov 2 landscape had been patented years before the Plandemic got launched.

    72 patents I believe, in total, covering gene sequences, spike protein, and all possible vaccine related treatments were all patented starting in 2003 onward.

    It’s quite a mystery that no one has been shouting from the mountain tops about the medical patents preceding the plague release, from the lab.

    Another curious feature of the Plandemic is the lack of coverage from the angle of insurance companies.

    Are insurance companies going to pay for the millions of deaths and severe disabilities from the ‘jab’?

    Why not?

    Big Pharma got the ultimate ‘Get Out of Jail’ card with having no liability for adverse reactions to the ‘jab’.

    But what about insurance companies stuck paying out for life insurance policies and medical claims, by the Millions.

    #79851
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Biden says $3 Trillion (non) Infrastructure Plan. Following the Master of Non-sequitor, the Cabbages and Kings, it’s a “People Infrastructure”, which is the #Opposite.

    His base says “Ya dun f’d up Joe!” it’s not enough, he’s a failure on Green New Deal. How give us ANOTHER $2 Trillion just for that! (Or really for Al Gore connected billionaire insiders like Musk)

    $5 Trillion and counting. Market yawns and says they still can’t possibly make it without another $1 Trillion overnight.

    Old ways same as the new ways. Here’s the Treasury’s new plan: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K-NT_aFxWfc

    #79852
    phoenixvoice
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    Re: Prior SARS-CoV-2 Infection Rescues B And T Cell Responses To Variants (SciMag)

    Gratitude to Doc Robinson for clarifying!
    I was guessing that *might* be what the study was saying, but was very unsure.

    I suppose that would make sense, from the real data coming out of Israel and the UK. The jabs *do* confer immunity — antibodies develop against the spike protein — but they wane over time. If the vaccine inspired immunity does not (always) correspond to memory T cells being formed…then the vaccines only confer short term protection from Covid.

    So many questions…
    – is the article also suggesting that the production of memory B cells from the vaccine is limited or non-existent, just like the memory T cells? (Aren’t the memory B cells the ones that migrate to the bone marrow so that future antigen specific antibodies can be quickly recalled/produced?)
    – does this mean that *some* who receive the vaccine have durable memory T- and B- cells and would have durable immunity from Covid after the 2 shot regimen (one shot for J&J)? Could the T-detect or T-spot tests determine whether or not the vaccine inspired immunity is durable? Or are the numbers of T and B memory cells produced by vaccination simply too low to confer long term immunity?
    – and I wonder how this information intersects with vaccine boosters and how dangerous those boosters would be — since it appears that any sort of active immune response to Covid increases the severity of vaccine adverse reactions
    – also wondering about people who are “fully vaccinated” and later contract Covid — does their immune system work “properly” after they have recovered from Covid? I.e. if their first experience with the Covid spike protein is from vaccination, will subsequent Covid infection and recovery produce a robust and durable immune response, with plenty of memory T and B cells, and confer upon them the full protection of natural immunity from Covid? Or will their immune response to Covid be forever altered by vaccination, never developing to be as robust as natural immunity?
    – and: if someone is exposed to Covid, expunged it before antibodies form (therefore no memory B cells migrate to the bone marrow to create future antibodies for fighting Covid) but developed durable memory T cells against Covid, what happens upon re-exposure to Covid? Will the innate immune system and memory T cells work in conjunction to rapidly neutralize Covid? Does the memory T cell response suppress part of the innate immune system? Might such a person develop mild symptoms upon re-exposure, and might antibodies (and memory B cells) be produced during subsequent encounters with Covid?

    #79853
    Dr. D
    Participant

    And Portugal, where a Judge made them admit almost nobody ever died of it.

    Red Scare! Klaxxons Blare!

    #79855
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Love the earlier WHo. Love Won’t Get Fooled Again. I marvel at how the band that was so powerful live (see: Live at Leeads) became so lame by 1975, imo. Why? Moon. Moon was a spent force by 1974 but he was the heart of the band just as Townsend was the soul. However, in this vid, Moon is actually on his game but the tempo is too fast. Compare to the studio version:

    original

    It’s just a tiny tad too fast, but that tad dissolves the falling-cloud-of-concrete effect the original has. It’s a shame, cuz they’re all doing very well, Entwistle is working overtime, but that savage granite must be moved no faster than Tempo X lest it fall off the truck.

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    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Big Pharma got the ultimate ‘Get Out of Jail’ card with having no liability for adverse reactions to the ‘jab’.
    But what about insurance companies stuck paying out for life insurance policies and medical claims, by the Millions.”

    I doubt that exemption will hold.

    As for the 72 patents: that doesn’t mean that covid itself was a planned event in the sinister conspiratorial sense. Just means that there’s been a lot of SARS-COV patent research.

    Beware the neat explanation that tidies it all up. That happens often in TV shows/movies, rarely-rarely in reality. Plenty of greed, malice, amorality, megalomania, psychopathy, toxic narcissism, and sociopathy, crisis exploitation, etc. to go around for sure, but the idea that such a spectrum can form a Grand Plan and stick to it is hysterical.

    #79858
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    “As with knock-and-talk policing, government agents might misuse their appearance of authority to gain entrance to a residence and obtain other information about it and those who live there. Once the door is opened by a resident, anything the agents can see from their vantage point can be reported to law enforcement authorities.

    Moreover, while presumably the targeting will be of areas with demonstrated low vaccination rates, there is no guarantee that this program would not be used as cover for conducting surveillance on areas deemed to be “high crime” areas as a way of obtaining intelligence for law enforcement purposes.

    We’ve been down this road before, with the government sending its spies to gather intel on American citizens by questioning them directly, or by asking their neighbors to snitch on them.”

    I present another scenario, one that I’ve asked before, what if there are vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals living in the same household? While CJ believes the New Normals can’t go “full Nazi,” a scenario does arise here that leads to the trains running on time, as the ‘strike force” would see unvaccinated individuals in a household with vaccinated individuals as a “threat” to the vaccinated and make the illogical leap to “assault with a deadly weapon (virus)”, hence, grounds for arrest. Don’t answer the door? Well, we do see how No Knock “warrants’ have turned out. Could be an improbable scenario, but I’m certainly not discounting they would go this far.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/right-be-let-alone-what-do-when-covid-strike-force-teams-come-knocking

    #79859
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/asia/indonesia-covid-intl-hnk/index.html

    No mention in the article that India started using Ivermectin and that Indonesia has now authorized its use. It will be interesting to see what happens in Indonesia. If cases reduce it will probably just disappear from the news without comment like India did.

    #79860
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    How long before the compliant masses no longer remain compliant?

    Maybe difficulty accessing the basics for survival will unleash the herd

    #79861
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #79862
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    I agree all the way about the earlier Who, madamski. You’re right too, that the version of Won’t Get Fooled Again I posted is speeded up compared to the album version. In my experience, bands frequently do that for live performances, perhaps it’s to do with the high they get from performing in front of a large crowd.

    I don’t think anyone could match Moon’s manic drumming when he was at his peak.

    #79863
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Well, if they do want to get as many people as possible jabbed before serious harms caused by the Covid vaccines manifest themselves in the near future, that means they want people to take it even though they know it will cause harm. Though I still believe this harm is not the main point of the vaccine, if indeed these treatments were designed with a nefarious purpose built into them. I continue to think that this nefarious purpose would be sterilizing a wide swathe of the population so that they cannot produce offspring. The death and disability is just the collateral damage caused by anything that has so radical an effect on the human physiology. If the aim were to simply to maim and kill as many people as possible, then that work could be done by unleashing a virus much deadlier than Covid, which would do such a job much more quickly and efficiently.

    #79864
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    “FOI request to the Scottish Government regarding deaths after vaccination, I received my reply, it stated from December 17th 2020 to June 21st 2021, just 6 months;

    5,522 people have died within 28 days of receiving a covid vaccination”

    Who wrote that, Ilargi?

    #79865
    stavrogin
    Participant

    From Democritus:

    5,522 people have died within 28 days of receiving a covid vaccination”

    Note Ilargi: Scotland population is about 5.5 million, so 1 in 1,000 died from vaccination.

    Well, no. In England and Wales 8808 people died in 1 week alone! So you need to consider the normal death rate.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending2july2021

    What is the column “expected number of deaths” in your graphic? It looks like actual deaths are lower, so what is there to worry about?

    Precisely! Surely this is showing the opposite of what you think it is Raul?

    #79866
    John Day
    Participant

    It’s the narrative. Call Bullshit! Do anything but the narrative…
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/07/escaping-narratives.html

    Y’all are approaching escape velocity.
    John Ward in France is increasingly bottled-up and it hurts.
    As the Future accelerates towards the Present, the Present reverses into the past

    #79867
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Why now?”

    I suspect Putin knows. 😉

    #79868
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “I agree all the way about the earlier Who, madamski. You’re right too, that the version of Won’t Get Fooled Again I posted is speeded up compared to the album version. In my experience, bands frequently do that for live performances, perhaps it’s to do with the high they get from performing in front of a large crowd.

    I don’t think anyone could match Moon’s manic drumming when he was at his peak.”

    Totally. Live performances tend to speed up because of so many factors encouraging excess and sloppiness. Today’s live performances are much better.

    And yes, while Moon was rather a simpleton drummer technique-wise, and even idea-wise, he made up for that with his ability to totally surrender to the rhythm and his own enthusiasm.

    ^&*

    I anticipate major strikes by health-care workers real soon, like yesterday. SOme have already started, iirc?

    %^&

    “How long before the compliant masses no longer remain compliant?”

    One of those tipping point questions.

    #79869
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Speaking of Red Scare!

    To divert from open, clear evidence released from Georgia (and Arizona), Donald Trump worked for Russia! Again! We have documents! That no one looked at!

    Welp, I guess there was no Mueller investigation again. It’s an odd-numbered day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

    #79870
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #79871
    zerosum
    Participant

    “Why now?”

    Troops are needed at home to fight ….
    1. Protect Democrat power against Coup by Republicans
    2. Domestic terrorist
    3. Foreign covid attacks
    4. Armament give away to allies just like in Afghanistan
    5. 8 million unfilled job openings in USA
    6. Fight drug war at home
    7. Continue rise in home prices by supplying military byers
    8. Fight deflation

    #79872
    Dr. D
    Participant

    It’s hot, and I can’t be here all the time. Someday America will let me get something done again.

    “YouTube Pulls Live Feed Of Arizona State Senate Election Audit Hearing”

    Yup, just like if you’re a Senator or the President. Or a househusband in Kansas. Or anybody else. You’re not allowed to speak: unelected Oligarchs say so.

    #79873
    prof
    Participant

    I don’t know much about medicine but I’ve become very skeptical about what the mainstream media has been saying during the COVID pandemic. Yesterday’s Bloomberg piece about Ivermectin is misleading and condescending. Grateful to TAE for asking questions.

    I hope it links. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-14/ivermectin-is-the-new-hydroxychloroquine-seeking-the-elusive-covid-cure?srnd=premium-europeBloomberg — Ivermectin

    #79874
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @John Day: Thank you. Good posts and links.

    The cacophony in the global public square is getting so loud it’s hard to think straight. 😉

    So … if/when a clash comes it won’t be between vaxxed and unvaxxed. Many vaxxed are seniors who are not capable of/interested in strong arming people into getting vaxxed … and a lot of the remaining vaxxed are wusses who couldn’t rise to more than a nasty tweet if they wanted to.* There are also plenty of vaxxed who don’t care if everyone gets vaxxed, they just aren’t sure what actions they can take to curtail the BS.

    No, the clash will be between the unvaxxed (and vaxxed who don’t agree with mandatory vaxx) … and the “deep state”, whatever that is, in whatever form it takes, in whichever country it’s in.

    Or the whole darn thing dies a whimpering death and is conveniently buried so no one remembers … like Epstein, Cuomo, baby Biden, Dr D’s list from earlier today, etc., etc., etc, etc.

    * Not seeing a lot of rugged individualists in the pro-everyone-get-vaxxed crowd who are wearing double masks whenever they come out from under their desks after they’ve finished their latest zoom meeting.

    #79876

    #79877
    WES
    Participant

    The Democrats need another squirrel named Trump, to divert attention away from the vote audits! A squirrel named Biden can’t even make people look!

    The US Sturgeon General has just issued guidelines for big tech to censor any comments that oppose Biden’s vaccine narrative!

    Biden is secretly using the US military aircraft to distribute illegals throughout the US. You aren’t supposed to know this, so keep it quiet! No doubt illegals are being ferried to where companies need cheap labor. How is your $15 an hour job doing? Still at $7? Wonder why?

    Moderna is just launching a study to see if their vaccine is safe for pregnant women to take. Our upside downworld!

    Clearly for some reason we are starting to see an all out effort by governments to vaxx everybody in the west. But not in the third world.

    #79878

    And we’re all right wing too… Not the only gem from the Guardian today.

    Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns

    The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.

    #79879
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Troops are needed at home to fight ….
    1. Protect Democrat power against Coup by Republicans
    2. Domestic terrorist”

    Possibly, but something drastic would have to happen for that to be the case. Nothing like that seems to be on the horizon. Maybe the internet and electric grid will go down soon 😉

    #79880
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Or perhaps the announce mandatory jabs soon and the troops will be needed to quell unrest. Who knows, anything is possible at this stage.

    #79881
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Sorry, catching up from yesterdays…

    People have deep, inner need for God. Villains know this and set themselves up as the god-of-State, that All shall worship me, and despair.

    We’re all Children of the Infinite, but to achieve spiritual consciousness each human has to surrender their Child EGO ~ If the Child EGO survives into what was fka Adulthood, it becomes necrotic & poisons the soul.

    Villians know this & appeal to those clinging to the Child EGO, telling them #metoo & that they will help ease the pain of their putrid self-centered lives ~ Children are after all easy to herd, all you have to do is trigger their fear & give them free$hit…

    This is why as each day dawns, I feel more and more like an indigenous savage ~ Welcome to the party pal!

    He (Jesus) and Buddha say this world is a giant smokescreen, a vast illusion.

    Spiritual Masters of the Infinite, who experience the BIGGER Picture, realize that All is vanity, which blocks New Power from flowing in & without Infinite Love of TRUTH (which the Child EGO hates, HATES, HATES) everything resorts to base child impulses…

    Spiritual Masters have no mortal enemies ~ They are already free of the giant smokescreen, a vast illusion.

    Without a Great Spiritual Renaissance, ie a TRUE Awakening, humanity will revisit the horrors of medieval darkness on a level almost none can imagine.

    Magical thinking tells the Child EGO that it is the Center of the existence, and fantastical self-centered trances lead to psychic breaks due to cognitive dissonance antipathy for the Infinite Spirit within; The Infinite Spirit within can not be destroyed and/or altered, only blocked & ignored.

    Be in the world (EGO) but not of it.

    Lightning Strike Destroys George Floyd Mural In Toledo…

    If you don’t see a Miracle today, you’re not paying attention 😉

    So the stimulus response was put in place before Covid was even a thing and it was planned by big investors in collusion with the Federal Reserve – not a government agency, by the way, but a cartel of 12 private banks.

    Anyone hear about all those shorts on Fraud St., just prior to 9-11, that made billions?

    You’ll reap what you sow…

    There is always more information coming.

    Back when in the 90s when I was part of a movement trying to find A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S to help save the Republic, I encountered what I coined as Conspir-A-Add-Dicks that always were too busy chasing the next info tidbit to realize We the Peolple have a panacea cure ALL of our underlying maladies:

    The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions…
    Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience. ~ John Locke 1690

    Even a caveman could do it ~ No need to play whack-a-mole if you’re serious about taking out the trash.

    Moreover, I remember when Alex Jones showed up on Patriot radio, replacing several serious people’s programs whom I knew, with his frothing-at-the-mouth hysterics, & it was apparent to me immediately that either Jones was:

    A> A plant on behalf of the Amerikan aristocracy.

    B> A business enterprise created to profit (loot) from the Conspir-A-Add-Dicks lusting for the latest titillating piece of info…

    Either way, Jones has no interest in solving THE problem, restoring life to normalcy, or even a passing thought of restoring the A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N Experiment & Republic.

    Most of the online commentors railing against Clown World (many of which are linked here) are the same.

    EOT

    #79882
    Mr. House
    Participant

    We need to organize a new party. No corporate money, grass roots. That is my solution

    #79883
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Veracious: got it in one. Thank you.

    #79884
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    We need to organize a new party. No corporate money, grass roots. That is my solution

    And as much as it pains me to admit this, it probably shouldn’t be a “left” party. The American left has the anti-Midas touch: Everything it touches just turns into shit.

    #79885
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    And another bit of Clown World news:

    Prosecutors drop charges in strawberry tampering incident involving needles

    And as much as it pains me to admit this, it probably shouldn’t be a “left” party. The American left has the anti-Midas touch: Everything it touches just turns into shit.

    The Left/Right paradigm is now just another device the Amerikan aristocracy use to Divide & Conquer.

    There is One correct, True political community necessary to save the Republic, AMERICANS ~ Everything else is tribalism and/or madness.

    #79886
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    “There is One correct, True political community necessary to save the Republic, AMERICANS ~ Everything else is tribalism and/or madness.”

    Our main task would be showing how the “betters” who are supposedly “helping” are really at war with those “below” them.

    And for the moment, those “betters” include bureaucrats.

    #79887
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Michael Reid – I love that quote, thank you

    #79888
    oxymoron
    Participant

    John Day, re the vegetable gardening – not quite – we are in the second month of winter with snow to 700 metres tomorrow – no snow where I am but lots of frost and wet winter. A little Spain-like. Only 500 mm per year but I have a good sized dam with no one above me in the catchment zone 3 5000 gal tanks of potable water. I will get a lot in this year and start seed raising before too long. I have a passive food dehydrated which I can’t recommend highly enough and it has me still in dried fruit for the kids lunches. https://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/tools/solar-food-dehydrator-plans-zm0z14jjzmar

    #79889
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Well, I just received a notification from my doctor’s office that my request to renew my sleeping-pill prescription was denied, and I have an appointment in about two weeks. I wonder if I might be in for a little bit of vaccine-blackmail?

    #79890
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Although in my earlier post I mentioned there are actual players – yes to this Beware the neat explanation that tidies it all up. That happens often in TV shows/movies, rarely-rarely in reality.

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