Jul 042021
 


Edward John Poynter Erato, Muse of Poetry 1870

 

 

 

Why the Delta scare? As a virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less lethal. And then eventually it mostly disappears. Many voices claim that Delta will be with us for a very long time, but we should be so lucky. It’s way more likely that it will soon be followed by a next variant that will in turn become dominant. And more contagious and less lethal.

And no, that’s not because of unvaccinated people, or at least there’s no logic in that. If most people are not vaccinated, the virus has no reason to mutate. If many people are, it does. So this CNN piece is suspect. Vaccinated people are potential variant factories, just as much, if and when the vaccines used don’t stop them from being infectious, as the present vaccines don’t, far as we know.

Unvaccinated People Are “Variant Factories,” Infectious Diseases Expert

Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They’re also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say. That’s because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person. “Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories,” Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday. “The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply,” Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, said. “When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road.”

“Even more serious”? Well, yes, it can become more contagious, but then it loses lethality. Maybe that’s what we want. Maybe we want a virus that everyone can be infected by, and build resistance to, without serious consequences. Maybe that’s even what we should aim for. And also, maybe that’s what we already have, with survival rates of 99.99% among most people.

And maybe, just maybe, a one-dimensional “solution” in the shape of an experimental vaccine is the worst response of all. Because it doesn’t protect from anything other than more severe disease, while unleashing potential adverse effects for decades to come in the inoculated. Maybe one dimension simply doesn’t cut it. Maybe we should not refuse to prevent people from becoming infected, or to treat them in the early stages of the disease.

Maybe the traumatic effects of lockdowns and facemasks should be part of “benefits and risks” models. And maybe we should start trying vitamin D, ivermectin and HCQ on a very large scale. No research, you say? There’s more research for those approaches than for the vaccines. But it’s largely been halted in the west to maintain the viability of the one-dimension “solution”; the medical Siamese twin of the Trusted News Initiative, one might say. Of which The Atlantic is also a valued member, look at this gem:

 

The 3 Simple Rules That Underscore the Danger of Delta

2. The variants are pummeling unvaccinated people.

Vaccinated people are safer than ever despite the variants. But unvaccinated people are in more danger than ever because of the variants. Even though they’ll gain some protection from the immunity of others, they also tend to cluster socially and geographically, seeding outbreaks even within highly vaccinated communities.

The U.K., where half the population is fully vaccinated, “can be a cautionary tale,” Hanage told me. Since Delta’s ascendancy, the country’s cases have increased sixfold. Long-COVID cases will likely follow. Hospitalizations have almost doubled. That’s not a sign that the vaccines are failing. It is a sign that even highly vaccinated countries host plenty of vulnerable people.

[..] And new variants are still emerging. Lambda, the latest to be recognized by the WHO, is dominant in Peru and spreading rapidly in South America. Many nations that excelled at protecting their citizens are now facing a triple threat: They controlled COVID-19 so well that they have little natural immunity; they don’t have access to vaccines; and they’re besieged by Delta.

First, the vaccines don’t confer immunity on the jabbed, there is no evidence of that. Second, a large majority of healthy people have an immune system strong enough to fight off the infection, even without ever being infected. So to suggest that unvaccinated people might “gain some protection from the immunity of” the vaccinated is simply nonsense.

As for “Delta’s ascendancy”, yes, cases are rising in the UK and Israel, two highly vaccinated countries. Not that anyone would acknowledge a possible connection there: it’s all despite the vaccines, not because of them. But as the graph below shows, while cases there are up a lot, hospitalization and deaths are not over the past month. They barely register.

On January 20, the UK had 1,823 deaths. Today, they had 15.

 

 

I even enlarged the hospitalizations a bit, or you wouldn’t see anything.

 

“Hospitalizations have almost doubled”, says The Atlantic. Yeah, but they’re still very low, as are deaths. And perhaps that’s not all that surprising, because the Delta variant doesn’t appear to be the big killer that everyone wants to close their borders and restaurants for again. There’s no conclusive evidence, it’s too early, but this is what we know today.

 

Rand Paul Cites 0.08% Delta Variant Death Rate Among Unvaccinated

Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul is telling Twitter followers to not let the ‘fearmongers’ win, amid growing concerns about the newest delta variant of the coronavirus. Paul, who is a doctor with a degree in medicine from Duke University, cited a study of the strain that shows only a 0.08% death rate among unvaccinated people. “Don’t let the fearmongers win. New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%) in unvaccinated group. Hmmm,” he tweeted Tuesday to his 3.2 million followers. The variant, which has caused virus outbreaks in Australia and other countries, has resulted in officials reimposing recently lifted health-safety orders including mask-wearing.

In another graph, the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate in the UK even appears 8 times higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Maybe the press should pay a little more attention to that, instead of the Great Big Delta Scare. All they do today is sell fear and vaccines, but that will backfire, promise.

 

 

And what goes for the press is also valid for politicians and their “experts”: there will come a day that people realize you could have focused on prophylactics and early treatment, but chose not to. And that this cost a lot of lives and other misery. What are you going to do then? Apologize?

 

 

Let’s not miss this from the past week: strong immune systems kill the virus before antibodies are formed. Which means an antibody test won’t show anything, but a PCR test will come back positive because there are dead virus bits. And everyone will cry: vaccinate! vaccinate!

Maybe it’s finally time for some real science, instead of clickbait and fear and gene therapy.

Pre-existing polymerase-specific T cells expand in abortive seronegative SARS-CoV-2 infection

Individuals with likely exposure to the highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 do not necessarily develop PCR or antibody positivity, suggesting some may clear sub-clinical infection before seroconversion. T cells can contribute to the rapid clearance of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronavirus infections1–5 . We hypothesised that pre-existing memory T cell responses, with cross-protective potential against SARS-CoV-26–12, would expand in vivo to mediate rapid viral control, potentially aborting infection.

We studied T cells against the replication transcription complex (RTC) of SARS-CoV-2 since this is transcribed first in the viral life cycle13–15 and should be highly conserved. We measured SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells in a cohort of intensively monitored healthcare workers (HCW) who remained repeatedly negative by PCR, antibody binding, and neutralisation for SARS-CoV-2 (exposed seronegative, ES).

16-weeks postrecruitment, ES had memory T cells that were stronger and more multispecific than an unexposed pre-pandemic cohort, and more frequently directed against the RTC than the structural protein-dominated responses seen post-detectable infection (matched concurrent cohort). The postulate that HCW with the strongest RTC-specific T cells had an abortive infection was supported by a low-level increase in IFI27 transcript, a robust early innate signature of SARS-CoV-2 infection16.

We showed that the RNA-polymerase within RTC was the largest region of high sequence conservation across human seasonal coronaviruses (HCoV) and was preferentially targeted by T cells from UK and Singapore pre-pandemic cohorts and from ES. RTC epitope-specific T cells capable of cross-recognising HCoV variants were identified in ES. Longitudinal samples from ES and an additional validation cohort, showed pre-existing RNA-polymerase-specific T cells expanded in vivo following SARS-CoV-2 exposure, becoming enriched in the memory response of those with abortive compared to overt infection. In summary, we provide evidence of abortive seronegative SARS-CoV-2 infection with expansion of cross-reactive RTC-specific T cells, highlighting these highly conserved proteins as targets for future vaccines against endemic and emerging Coronaviridae.

 

 

 

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    Edward John Poynter Erato, Muse of Poetry 1870       Why the Delta scare? As a virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less letha
    [See the full post at: The Great Big Delta Scare]

    #78877
    Dave Note
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    Overlords

    A quote from the former President of Facebook Sean Parker 2017

    He’s a full blown Transhumanist and psychopath

    Because I’m a billionaire, I’m going to have access to better healthcare. I’m going to be like 160 and I’m going to be part of this class of immortal overlords. You know the expression about compound interest. Give us billionaires an extra hundred years and you’ll know what wealth disparity looks like….

    .

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.800076de493fed21df27b5ec11a4c264?rik=J9lN5KPfnuGK6w&riu=http%3a%2f%2fdominicelvin.net%2fsite%2fwp-content%2fgallery%2fart%2fself-portrait-2001.jpg&ehk=IsVnuf4oPDc0UFlyhOKt3pQExNrgbpP%2ftLgU3t0eGvg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

    #78879
    Dave Note
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    #78880
    ezlxa1949
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    It’s so disappointing to see what ivermectin hesitancy, fuelled by ivermectin denialism, is doing to public health.

    BTW, if the elites want to pursue their transhumanist program, seeking immortality via technology, then let them go for it. Let them waste their time and brief lives. It’s a totally futile endeavour. Not even the universe is immortal — the laws of thermodynamics demonstrate that.

    And what would these elites DO with their “immortality” anyway? It won’t benefit me, that’s for sure, nor anyone else. Could these immortal elites bring my dead parents back to life? Of course not. Transhumanism is utterly selfish and, as I just said, futile.

    There’s a very strong delusion among these people!

    #78888
    Maxwell Quest
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    @ezlxa1949

    “BTW, if the elites want to pursue their transhumanist program, seeking immortality via technology, then let them go for it.”

    Quantity of life is no substitute for quality. Nature has allotted us a certain number of years for a reason. My guess is that once the psyche has hardened like concrete there is very little evolutionary growth that can occur. No new lessons can be learned. We stagnate.

    Talk to almost any NDE survivor, and they will tell you that, once they left their physical vehicle behind and experienced the next plane, and were instructed that they couldn’t stay and had to “go back”, they put up quite a fuss as they were dragged kicking and screaming back into their broken “meat puppet”. Each and every one later says that they no longer fear death. And many eventually leave their lucrative, high-stress, hamster-wheel jobs for less-paying professions that touch individual human lives. Claiming that their NDE was the best thing that ever happened to them.

    So, yeah, good luck with that immortal cyborg body transhumanism stuff.

    #78889
    a kullervo
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    Life’s end goal is to die; everything would be so different if our main concern whilst we live was to learn how to die with poise.

    #78892
    Enginer
    Participant

    I feel fully protected by the Ivermectin I take.
    But I wonder if that is wise? Does anyone know if antibodies are formed during Ivermectin prophylaxis?
    Perhaps I would be better off “catching” the virus, and then take Ivermectin & .HCQ to shake it off, and be then protected by antibodies?
    Since I am 78, almost 79 years old, this could be risky. For youth, it seems a valid course.
    Or, has anyone considered inoculating youth with the virus, and 5 days latter, 3 days of Ivermectin?

    #78893
    aspnaz
    Participant

    I hear that some school kids, I think in the UK, discovered that you can catch Covid from drinking orange juice. Or rather, orange juice is spreading the infection! Drink orange juice before a PCR test and it will return a positive result: the miracle of bogus science.

    Its the Orangina variant next!

    We need the ex-President of Tanzania back again to talk some sense.

    #78896

    @enginer,
    Was just reading up on the online 12mg tablet of ivermectin for sale from India. Their dosage notes the upper age of 64 years old. Further down it notes the reason is related to liver function issues.

    I am wondering if any of our community can speak to this?

    #78897
    graffiti
    Participant

    Raul…Do you have a source for the chart showing different deaths among vaccinated and unvaccinated. This information may be most vital for educating the public if it is true.

    #78898
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    Nothing is done in isolation. The USA is being bombarded with a Private/Government PsyOps campaign. From its start to today, the PR for the mRNA gene therapy jabs is expertly written; starting with use of the term “vaccine”, to hide their true nature and to ignore the conscious decision to overrule the need for precautionary testing and review before approval put in place by law and regulations after the thalidomide tragedy.

    More than half of all Americas have been jabbed. Now the intent is to convince by any means possible (lying, blaming, and threats) to get the leftover unvaccinated injected. This winter another lockdown will tell if the Delta Variant scare is real or not. Except one more will flatten the US economy.

    This is truly dumbfounding. It would not have happened if the USA had a functional national public health system. This is far beyond the loss of trust. This is a foundational issue about the current economic political system and how it works. A reasonable interpretation is that the West is run by a rich cult that believes that there is no such thing as society. Mammon is God. All that matters is money. Certainly not the lives of the riff-raff. Injecting every American will make billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical corporations not to mention the riches gathered from jabbing the rest of the world. Yet, for now, the enduring consequences of this experiment are unknown.

    But greed can’t be the whole story. This July 4th is a perfect reflection of the Fog of War. The USA is retreating out of Afghanistan. This is the fall of Saigon, all over again; a trauma that killed the draft and triggered the Reagan Revolution that ended the New Deal. Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin may have agreed to end NATO’s Ukraine aggressions. This could finally signal that Barrack Obama’s pivot to China is underway. Except any war there would cut off the flow of goods from Asia which would flatline the West’s economy already depressed by the Pandemic. Also, last week the UK’s HMS Defender almost got in a firefight with Russia in the Black Sea. Ending the Great Game may be a bridge too far for certain Overlords.

    Climate Change goes unaddressed. Last week’s early blowup of wildfires in the West cut Canadian Pacific, Canadian National and Union Pacific rail lines. Transport links can’t cope with the PNW/BC heat dome and regional wildfires. This Independence Day reminds me of the quip about the end of WWII and Joseph Goebbels’ Propaganda broadcasts. The Reich’s glorious victories kept coming closer to Berlin.

    #78902
    John Day
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    @Madamski from Friday 7/2/21.
    Oh Shit, I just recognized that Chinese guy in the “botoxed-out” demo picture.
    That’s Wayne Newton, the owner of the Fig Newton Company!

    #78903
    John Day
    Participant

    @Tinfoilhatted Canuck: Don’t worry about ivermectin toxicity with advanced age. It’s not a thing. Somebody’s lawyer made them write that, I presume. That kind of liability disclaimer is the norm in western medicine these days.

    @Vietnam Vet: Yes. We are in the early days of the war against the homeland.

    #78905
    John Day
    Participant

    @Dave Note: Former President of Facebook Sean Parker 2017

    “Because I’m a billionaire, I’m going to have access to better healthcare. I’m going to be like 160 and I’m going to be part of this class of immortal overlords. You know the expression about compound interest. Give us billionaires an extra hundred years and you’ll know what wealth disparity looks like….“

    This dude is into linear projections, but he is projecting into a narcissistic delusion. There is the bad health care that poor people get, and the bad healthcare that rich people get, which can actually be WORSE, since there is so much money in it.

    #78906
    John Day
    Participant

    @Ilargi: That last article, which Germ posted Friday, is what I saved from the quick skim I was able to do Friday. I might be that healthcare worker who just nips it in the bud without a second thought or an antibody response. I was actually disappointed a few days ago NOT to have had a significant, sustained exposure to COVID. I am just really tired of this bullshit, but it’s going to be replaced soon with some new worse bullshit. We are the homeland, coming under hybrid-war attack, from the “monster on the loose”.

    #78922
    BrandX
    Participant

    Delta variant response team.

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    #78932
    Dr. D
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    “The U.K., where half the population is fully vaccinated”

    The UK is only 50%? But the U.S. is more than that? Uh-huh. I smell a big pile of steamy goodness spread from sea to shining sea.

    “The USA is being bombarded with a Private/Government PsyOps campaign.”

    Did you really think we’d escape? Whatever is done elsewhere will eventually be done here. What is that, “no man is free unless everyone is”? (I think Thoreau). Yes, because if there’s a black man in the gutter, there has to be a white man in the gutter with him, holding him there. If your have bad men in prison, you have “free” men in prison too, as the guards. So don’t do it to others, and you won’t do it to yourself. Problem with nations is the time-delay. THEY got the benefits and dies happy, their children pay all the costs, so ha-ha.

    “the West is run by a rich cult that believes that there is no such thing as society.”

    Yes. And if ONLY Mammon were their god. You can see it in hundreds of their actions. They’re willing to take, cause, encourage ENORMOUS losses, the death of whole industries like CNN, to push their real religion, so it’s not “money” they’re after. That’s when there’s clearly profits – stunning opportunities, RIGHT THERE that they firebomb or make illegal to prevent profit from happening, delivering to the people what they actually want and not this trollop.

    “Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin may have agreed to end NATO’s Ukraine aggressions.”

    This was in Luango, I think. Quite subtle at this point, and work watching closely. Russia defeated the West again, and this time with a lot less casualties. All the deaths were on our side this time, self-inflicted on purpose.

    #78943
    Noirette
    Participant

    VietnamVet, thanks for the succint summing up in your post.

    Only to one point: National Health advisories (boards, etc. instituted since a long time, imperfect in many ways, whatever ..) have been killed off.

    For ex. in France, Macron is advised for COV19 by a mysterious Kabal of ‘experts’ or ‘friends,’ called the Scientific Council for COV19.

    A collection of yay-sayers, Macron admirers, o-la-la, France is a shining “Start-UP” Nation, old-hat has to be swept away by super sexy tech, innovative medecine, new directions to be explored speedily with probity and rigor, leading to a wonderful National Resurgence, and so on. One of the members is a child psychiatrist, total stooge, another is a lame sociologist.

    link in F, but one can note that Prof. Raoult used to be a member but is now listed as ex.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conseil_scientifique_Covid-19

    #78949
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    “ Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They’re also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say”

    So, basically what CNN is saying is

    Unvaccinated people are unclean!! (Biblical term)
    Unvaccinated people have cooties!! (School playground term)

    #78969
    TonyPrep
    Participant

    As a virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less lethal.

    What is the source for this claim? I can’t think of a reason for such a selection pressure until it starts to run out of hosts.

    #79015
    Doly
    Participant

    “As a virus mutates, it becomes more contagious and less lethal. And then eventually it mostly disappears.”

    Nope. As a virus mutates, it usually becomes more contagious because that helps it spread.

    But being less lethal may or may not help it spread. Let me clarify: for some viruses, becoming less lethal is a good strategy because people become less worried about it spreading and they take less precautions with less lethal variants. For others, like Ebola, becoming more lethal is a good spreading strategy because it spreads through people handling corpses. For the covid virus, the evidence is that it spreads fast enough that lethality simply doesn’t change one way or another its chances of spreading. So far, new variants are as likely as not to be more or less lethal. Some of the faster-spreading mutations, like alpha, have been somewhat more lethal. Some haven’t.

    As for viruses eventually disappearing, clearly not. The seasonal flu remains seasonal and there is no reason to think it will ever go away. The same for many viruses that cause childhood diseases, like measles. Some new viruses have eventually disappeared, some, like AIDS, didn’t.

    #79055
    TonyPrep
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    Right, so the post begins with a supposition that is probably false. The second paragraph also appears to impart some kind of intelligence to the virus (“the virus has no reason to mutate”). Evolution doesn’t need reasons, it just needs random mutations and selection pressures. If a mutation makes it more likely to spread, there is a good chance that that mutation will outperform the current variant. It doesn’t need a reason. Vaccination might increase the chances of more infectious variant becoming dominant but I can’t see how lethality is affected.

    Does vaccination increase the chances of dying from the delta variant? I don’t think that enough research has been done into that. Older folk and more vulnerable folk have probably had the greatest rate of vaccination and this may be a factor.

    However, from the bare figures, it seems likely that vaccination in the UK has had a downwards impact on the case fatality rate overall. Fiji, with far lower vaccination percentage, is also struggling with Delta and is seeing a much greater fatality rate than the UK.

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