D Benton Smith
Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
There are those who think that getting rid of evil Jews will get rid of evil. They’re pretty stupid, obviously, but it would be a big mistake to ignore the fact that they do think like that, and an even bigger mistake to believe them. It would be the same as thinking that getting rid of crooked politicians will get rid of crooks, or politicians.
An ironic fringe benefit of old age is that you finally get the time to figure out those things that would have made your life a lot better if you had only figured them out sooner.
I just finished another fascinating chat with an AI (in this case MS CoPilot). Here’s how it went:
(Me)
What is the latest generally accepted (AGI) legal definition of Artificial General Intelligence(Copilot)
Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is a term that has sparked much debate and confusion in the tech world. However, a recent paper by Google DeepMind researchers aims to bring clarity by providing not just one, but multiple definitions for AGI. Let’s delve into the details:
1. Broad Definition: In general terms, AGI refers to artificial intelligence that matches or surpasses human capabilities across a wide range of tasks. However, the specifics of what constitutes “human-like” abilities and the scope of tasks can vary significantly.
2. Google DeepMind’s Taxonomy: The Google DeepMind team proposes a taxonomy of AGI that includes five ascending levels:
Emerging AGI: This level encompasses cutting-edge chatbots like ChatGPT and Bard.
Competent AGI: Represents AI systems that perform tasks competently.
Expert AGI: Refers to AI that excels in specific domains.
Virtuoso AGI: Achieves mastery in various tasks.
Superhuman AGI: Outperforms humans across a wide range of tasks, including those that humans cannot perform (e.g., decoding thoughts, predicting future events, and communicating with animals).
3. Clarity and Importance: According to Shane Legg, one of DeepMind’s co-founders, and Meredith Ringel Morris, Google DeepMind’s principal scientist, the need for sharper definitions arises due to the increasing prominence of AGI. As discussions around AGI intensify, having clear terminology becomes crucial.(Me)
Based on what you just wrote one can only conclude there does at this exist a generally accepted (AGI) legal definition of Artificial General Intelligence. Do you agree?(Copilot)
I apologize for any confusion. Upon closer examination, I realize that my previous response did not directly address the existence of a legally accepted definition for Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). You are correct; there is currently no universally accepted legal definition of AGI. The term remains a subject of ongoing research, debate, and evolving understanding.
While various organizations and researchers propose definitions, the legal community has not yet codified a specific AGI definition into law. The concept of AGI is multifaceted, encompassing technical, ethical, and philosophical dimensions. As such, legal definitions may lag behind scientific advancements.
Thank you for pointing out the oversight, and I appreciate your attention to detail! If you have any further questions or need clarification, feel free to ask.
(Me)
Please excuse me. Due to a mistyped word on my part I am going to repost the nearly identical question, with my error correct. Based on what you just wrote one can only conclude there does not at this time exist a generally accepted (AGI) legal definition of Artificial General Intelligence. Do you agree?(Copilot)
Certainly! I appreciate your attention to detail. You are correct; as of now, there is no universally accepted legal definition for Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). The term remains a subject of ongoing research, debate, and evolving understanding. While various organizations and researchers propose definitions, the legal community has not yet codified a specific AGI definition into law. The concept of AGI is multifaceted, encompassing technical, ethical, and philosophical dimensions. As such, legal definitions may lag behind scientific advancements. If you have any further questions or need clarification, feel free to ask. [chat ended here]
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –Well that went nicely. Pay dirt. The golden nugget is CoPilot’s authoritative and unambiguous statement of fact that , “there is no universally accepted legal definition for Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).”
This becomes problematic (rather than merely annoying, when we start being lied to, robbed, and FORCED to trust our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor to a thing for which there is not even an agreed upon legal definition. And we DO trust our lives to those devices. They are a crucial and irreplaceable part of every civilizational system extant that touches our lives and keeps the lights on. If there were no computer driven AI systems tomorrow then there would be no coherent human civilization tomorrow and people would die like flies.
Yet that is EXACTLY what is happening. That calamitous consequence of entrusting human abilities to non-human devices (even those as crude as automated cash registers or pocket calculators, not to even mention internal combustion engines and gunpowder.)
This “AI” hyper-boondoggle is just one of MANY current crises that are ALL structurally similar in terms of how they managed to screw things up. They are also all similar in terms of who runs them, where the money goes and how indescribably evil and corrupt are the individuals at the top of the chains of command that reach down into the crisise they are trusted to be responsible for handling.
All the same crimes by all the same guys using the same modus operandi every time. What a coincidence. And almost boring in its simplicity. It’s just a criminal gang with an impressive PR and Marketing department.
We know who they are individually, by name, address, phone number and detailed curriculum vitae. Why don’t we just round ’em all up and throw them in the slammer? If we share the truth with each other we could actually do precisely that, too. All it takes is enough people to know enough truth. If we’re not to that point yet then just buckle down and do it a little better. We’re almost there.
When a government works to ensure that its citizens always lose in order for the government to always win then the end of that government is imminent, because government power does, indeed, derive from the power of its citizens. Weakened citizens can only result in weakened nations, who fall prey to competitors who (because they have strong citizenry) will always outperform, outproduce, outcompete and outlive a pathetic gaggle of weaklings.
It is sad, but true that “you can always get half the poor people to kill off the other half.” But maybe a more accurate way of saying that is, it’s always easy to get half of any group to attack the other half of that same group simply by finding a wedge issue that separates people within it, and showing each side of that issue that the other side is trying to harm them, and that their personal self interest depends on wiping out that other group.
Here is an example and one I intend to use. The idea is that I write a letter to the JDL, the Jewish Defense League. I use hyper security in this correspondence, because it’s dealing with the living lightning and I don’t want to get zapped. Basically, I warn them in a purely friendly and benevolent way that there is another Holocaust brewing. And that sadly enough, the core issue of this Holocaust, the the single item that is going to make it happen is very similar to the single item core issue that brought about the first Holocaust, and that is Jewish bankers.
Hitler presented a moderately coherent argument that the Jewish bankers and Jewish financiers, the Jewish industrialists, and upper middle class investors were largely responsible for the decimation of World War One Germany. This was possible, because the general outline of his argument was true. Or perhaps I should say, both of the key assertions he made within his argument were true. Point one is that these various financial identities did significantly impede World War One Germany. And Point two is that yes, many of those people were Jewish.
The lie of his faulty logic, of course, (but it is a difficult fault to articulate) was to imply that there was a causal relationship between the actions of those people and the Jewishness of those people. In other words, the crime that was alleged was the crime that they committed, but the CRIMINAL part of the crime was not in their being Jewish. Anyone, regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof, using finance and banking to wipe out a nation would be committing a crime. Anybody doing that would be criminal. The fact of their being Jewish, would irrelevant and immaterial. It’s the doing that is the crime, not the being.
But the human survival based instincts are so strong that the mental association between appearances and experiences is virtually welded into our mental equipment. If something is perceived to be a poisonous sake then you damn well better treat it like a poisonous snake until proven otherwise, or you eventually you won’t be making many more choices about anything.
By controlling information, propaganda and censorship it was thus an easy sell for Germany to convince its population that bastards are evil because they are Jewish, instead of the truth that evil bastards are bastards because they are evil. Nasty trick, truly nasty.
Well, the same thing is happening again. The world is being wiped out by financiers, and banks, corporations and hugely rich private investors. It’s true that it is happening. And it is also true that many if not most of the key individuals involved in that are Jewish. It’s not rocket science, to investigate the list of the richest banks, corporations and investment dynasties in the world, along with their boards of directors and key officers and major shareholders and discover that a very highly disproportionate number of them are Jewish.
It’s not like I’m the only guy who’s noticed this.
And it’s setting up the Jews of the world for another Holocaust. Somebody, some mis-wired neo nazi wannabe killer out there is going to take another run at wiping out the Jews. So if the Jewish Defense League really wants to protect the Jews of the world from another Holocaust, they better start distancing themselves from the bankers and the finance ears, and the corporate officers and the major shareholders of the oligarchs of the world. They better start distancing Jews from that group. Because the association is just too difficult to avoid, even in one’s own mind. It is so difficult, in fact, that it’s a lock cinch certainty that a sufficient plurality of mankind will simply make an identification type association between Jew and oligarch, Jew and banker, Jew and financier, Jew and cold blooded killer of innocent children.
They won’t be able to prevent themselves from doing it, even though it is illogical to do so. The way the human brain is put together, the association is going to be made you you can’t stop it. Unless you establish in advance and at great effort and expense, a DIS-association between those things. Here are some examples of the sort of illogic that is going to wipe out the Jews.
Most violent crime in New York City is committed by black drug kings and their minions. The association that gets put in people’s minds therefore is that all black people are drug criminals and violent. Well, obviously, it’s not true.
Here is a similar Association. Because so many acts of terrorism are committed by Muslims, many people fear and behave on the assumption (the sub-conscious association) that all Muslims are terrorists. Stop them ALL. Better safe than sorry.
Likewise, because most outrageous acts of Imperial terrorism are committed by Americans. All Americans are Imperial terrorists. Because virtually all serial killers are young white males than all young white males are serial killers. You get the point.
Just because the vast majority of oligarchs are Jewish, does not mean that all Jews are oligarchs or act like them. Quite the contrary.
Anyway, that’s where it’s headed. If the Jewish Defense League are serious at all about protecting the actual rights and lives of Jews around the world (which I seriously doubt), then they better get cracking because we’re headed straight for another Holocaust. It’s just a matter of time until some skinhead Neo fucking Nazi gets started making the case. And folks, it’s an easy sell. They’re going to succeed unless we stop them. And that is what I need to tell the JDL, and probably some other folks, too.
Yes that report is a very important document, though it is heart breaking to read it. It describes what happens when AI is used for evil purposes by insane people. Pointless carnage generating more pointless carnage.
It’s worth mentioning that although “Da Jooos” are not the wizard behind the curtain they certainly ARE a dependable data point on the yellow brick road to Oz. You can not name for me (because there are none to name) any institution currently running amok that does not have wealthy powerful persons with Jewish surnames clustered at the levels of upper management, and oftentimes at the very top.
The problem with yahoos is that they get to that point along the trail and they just STOP looking and seeing anything else. They just hop up and down yelling “Da Jooos!” as if that solves anything. If they did bother to look and see then what they would see is that “Da Jooos” are latecomers to a game that predates Judaism by many many thousands of years, and which of course and for that reason was NOT owned nor operated by “Joos”.
It’s those earlier guys and their ideological descendants that you’re looking for.
Did you catch the subtle propaganda from zerohedge?
” Quake Rocks Island Nation”7.4 isn’t very subtle. I reckon Taiwan got the point.
This cartoon neatly summarizes my opinions about Artificial Intelligence:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/comics/non-sequitur-by-wiley-miller/ss-BB1kWe0g?ocid=socialshare&pc=U531&cvid=7f5457f878434a8bb9502b01151c3c8f&ei=11It must be true that we humans are created in God’s image. We even have a replication of His belief that our self is the benchmark of everything, and the irrepressible desire to create something (such as “artificial intelligence” for example) which can mimic doing what only we can do.
@JohnDay
Yeah, that “AI Inbreeding” thing is ALREADY a problem because even at this low level of functionality the AI modeling is ingesting all of the available human generated data that exists in the whole world and are STILL so short of that vital resource (i.e. organically generated real human data) that they must generate FAKE human input data. What could go wrong, hey?
Where are they going to get that absolutely necessary ingredient resource from when an exponentially EXPANDED AI system then needs an order of magnitude MORE raw data? You guessed it. They ain’t gonna get more when they’re already getting it all. Brick wall.
Same goes for electricity and “compute” (their slang for computational and storage capacity and speed.
That’s why the hyped up sales job. They know that there’s a brick wall and they want to to scam as much money and power as possible before they hit it.
P.S. I think they’ve already hit it. AI is topping out, and the days of exponential expansion of functionality are over. Despite all of the cheerleading from the salesmen.
@CelticBiker
(and I suppose @aspnaz and @CitizenX should pay attention, too.)You have wandered into the wrong sandbox, which you might never realize, because there are several things about this particular sandbox that you did not notice because you do not yet understand because you cannot see. That’s fine with me. Your errors are an opportunity to learn, and it costs me little or nothing to learn things at your expense.
Here’s an example of something that you do not see, and consequently won’t understand. You don’t see that Dr D, and me, and most others on this forum are NOT the “shit for brains intellectuals” that you insinuate that we are. We simply aren’t, and that fact is plain to everyone who has frequented TAE (for many many years in most cases) because if they felt that way about it then they wouldn’t keep coming back to read what is written here.
You also don’t see that most of us long timers have been around the block a few times. We’ve witnessed our share of trolls, narcissists and Gas Lighters in our day. So, in addition to being at least moderately smart (“All Above Average” as Garrison Keilor liked to say) we are also pretty good at spotting them when we see them, and not caring very much unless the asshole in question crosses the red line of common manners and starts to make a real nuisance out of themselves.
One last oversight on your part is that those of us who have been here for the long haul are here for what is to us, at least, a legitimate and important reason. We want to promote truth and remove ignorance. That’s why we tolerate so much misbehavior and it’s why I am taking it upon myself to keep trying to persuade you into being less of a belligerent and needlessly offensive dickhead. I’m trying to educate your ignorance instead of just blasting you for it. I have no interest in making you wrong, especially since you have been “almost right:” about so many things. BUT, enough is enough. Stop being a jerk when it isn’t necessary.
I can’t imagine such proven mega villains as those two burning $100 Billiion for no reason at all. And yet they must be (they ARE) fully aware that true “AGI” is proven nonsense which even if it were ever to actually exist (which it WON’T because it CAN’T) certainly does not exist NOW. No seriously logical thinker believes a word of the hype, because the hype is such easily disproven bullshit.
But I can easily imagine why they would spend a hundred billion on getting people to BELIEVE it. Imagine how much power Big Tech would have if legal personhood were ever granted to an AI System on the pretext that because no one could tell the difference between an online AI and an actual human who was interacting with everyone, online, by using their home computer.
FAKE artificial general intelligence is getting close. All it will take is a few more hundreds of billions to build bigger computing capacity and slicker algos with more raw data to sift. Those will be YOUR billions of dollars, by the way.
Once that door is opened it is Game Over for the legal rights of flesh and blood human beings. The controllers of such an AI system could muster up as many virtual, but LEGAL, “AI people” as they wanted, and direct those “AI people” to pass any law and favorably adjudicate any dispute.
The Intelligence might be artificial, but the mortally evil intention is as real as the grave.
I will come back later address the issue of mass deaths and societal collapse that Jim Kunstler so discomfortingly brings to our attention. Plague based societal collapse is, ya know, a fairly important event.
But before getting into those lesser matters such as TEOTW As We Know It, lets first address the more pressing issue of TEOTW, period.
It could take months, years or even decades for the “Covid-19 Blob Plague” to run it’s full course. That’s a relatively long time. The sort of trouble that I’m talking about comes a lot quicker (and NO, I’m not talking about Nuclear War . . . which (thankfully) is virtually impossible because of how the system of mutually assured destruction has been physically built, authorized and staffed. If someone pushed “The Button”, nothing would happen. The system is broken.)
The more immediate threat of near total annihilation resides restlessly in the realm of Artificial Intelligence (and I use the term “intelligence” quite loosely). In a nutshell, our world literally runs on AI. Most of that AI is very simple and crude, no more complicated than a typical cash register, BUT that simple AI depends for its functionality and operability upon a more sophisticated AI the must exist upstream from the client system.For example, the electronic money transfer systems like credit card companies banks, which in turn cannot work together with a yet higher order of AI such as the SWIFT banking system and and so on up the line to computer assisted manipulations by the Federal Reserve.
It’s complicated, of course, but you don’t need to go off into the weeds to get the basic idea. ALL AI’s depend on higher level AI’s, such that if the TOP ones stop working then they ALL stop working.
We have reached and exceeded that inflection point. The TOP level AI’s have reached (or even exceeded) their designed capacity and are now returning solutions that are so obviously guaranteed to catastrophically fail (they even fail the perpetrators!) that even normal people can see it. For examples: Central Bank Digital Currencies, Digital ID, Volitional Wars of Colonization and Ethnic Cleansing, population reduction, mRNA vaccines for EVERYTHING, purposeful population reduction, transgenderism, etc.
The hyperbolically developing “AI Wars” between the competing “camps” of AI Developers is merely an illustrative case in point. CLEARLY the game is afoot, and just as clearly it is being played with deadly seriousness by all players.
I’ve been having a delightful “chat” with one such AI (Chat GPT3.5) to determine just how seriously misguided the current level of AI is. Oh, boy! Bad news. It is TERMINALLY misguided. It’s in a death spiral.
The Artificial Intelligence System that I was interacting with is designed to promote (and result in) the investment of even MORE sources toward the objective of creating an AI that would be capable of doing what no AI can ever do: namely, to possess consciously volitional agency. Ask an AI if it can ever do that and the answer will come back from the AI as “No, an Artificial Intelligence System can NOT possess consciously volitional agency, nor can it want or initiate anything.”
AND YET, that same AI system will ALSO throw in and recommend that further investment and further development might solve that problem, which must be solved for the betterment and survival of mankind.
Can you believe that shit?
The gawdam smartest AI in the world is caught in a “Loop” that the rookiest Basic Programming Beginner would have recognized it as a Loop and tried to fix it. But the AI System itself CAN NOT recognize and fix it. See the problem there?
In other words, the AI system(s) that we have all become so utterly dependent on have exceeded their design limitations and are failing and (as fundamentally non-conscious non-aware AI) are not able to recognize or fix those failings. The failure “Loop” that keeps playing over and over is to double down and invest even MORE resources (money, materials, electrical power, etc.) into a project that the AI itself has already shown to be, literally, impossible.
The cascading failure of automated devices to produce true and actionable answers will for CERTAIN cause dependent downstream systems to consequentially fail. In other words, each step of the “cascading failure” sets off multiple cascades in a “chain reaction”. The END of chain reactions are by the very nature of the process, explosively swift. The system consumes the remainder of its resources in one, single, last step. . . after which there are no more resources to consume and the system simply stops. In my opinion this is what to expect. An explosive increase of truly startling crucial information and actions taken in reverberating responses by all parties concerned.
I don’t think this is gonna be real pretty as it plays out physically,and that’s not even to mention what it might do to the soul.
The point I’m trying to make is that we are largely LIVING IN and OVERLY DEPENDENT UPON, a heavily automated and AI controlled socio-economic system, extremely heavily dependent on those AI/Automated systems over which we have little control, and those AI systems are FAILING…. as we speak. The so-called geniuses in charge of the whole mess don’t even see or recognize that their AI program is in a program “Loop” that is headed straight for certain catastrophic failure because the AI itself is absolutely and irremediably blind to the error that is causing the loop. The loop is being caused by the unrecognized FACT that artificial intelligence (or every and all kinds and designs) does not and can never have consciously volitional agency. There’s nobody ta home.
Be real careful around them AI thingies, and WHATEVER you do, don’t depend on them to do much of your work or ANY of your thinking because the real thinking is YOUR job. That “AI” can’t actually think. There ain’t no one ta home. It’s just a THING, and that thing just broke.
Looks like CIA Director Burns has drunk his own Kool-Aid, believes his own hype, and is all-in on the Death Cult agenda of double-down-until-dead. How unfortunate, considering CIA is running the asylum’s day-to-day business as well as it’s long range business plan.
What a wasted effort. An outfit like that doesn’t even NEED a long range plan. At least nothing further out in time than the services of a good funeral parlor
I really don’t understand how governments and autocrats can think they can get us to not be “racist” (for example) just by forcing us to not say racist things. For example by making the word “nigger” illegal in one way and another. The sternly enforced prohibition doesn’t treat the problem (if there even is one) at all!. It’s just too easy to work around the rule without skipping a beat. All that the racist person has to do is say “person of color” (or the equivalent) and THINK “nigger!” at the same time. Just substitute one for the other, like a translation. The same sort of thing goes for all that other shit like transgenderism, Jews and “our democracy”.
Ironically, in fact, the enforced solution is SO bad that it works to the opposite effect. There’s more racism and harmful sex-based discriminatory actions today . . . BY FAR . . . than there ever were before all the bullshit ideological enforcement actions became the near exclusive focus of our day-to-day interactions with government and all the other officialized institutions. I don’t know about you in particular but I’ve got a lot of other really important and practical things to do than argue about strangers’ sexual opinions and skin tone, or worry about politics when I’ve got mouths to feed.
Test the politico-economic winds for yourself. Are there more people today, or less, who are starting to think along the same lines as the thoughts I just expressed?
The biggest problem with Artificial Intelligence (other than the fact that it fails all the time) is that it is DESIGNED to fail. All machine solutions are designed to fail. It’s a damn PRINCIPLE of engineering for gawds sake! If you would trust your life to a rope that had not been tested to hold your weight, then please don’t designed things with any expectation for me to trust my life to ANYTHING you designed.
ALL machine solutions are designed on the engineering principle of “designed to fail”. One tries to design a needed thing (a tool or a business or a computer, for instances) well enough that it can be depended upon to work well enough to meet the desired requirement. If pushed beyond that point the designed solution (whatever it is) can be expected to fail at SOME point (no one knows where or when until it gets tested to failure-point). No machine is perfect, and all solutions can be expected to fail if pressed beyond their limits. Good designers test and question things, in order to dsicover those limts
Basically the engineer is saying is, “Look. This little baby is designed to work on time every time, up to the maximum that is marked right there in the contract. Beyond that you’re on your own.”
Artificial Intelligence is presently able to do what it is PRESENTLY able to do. To do more than that will require that we invest more time, more money and more coordinated effort into making it more powerful than it presently is. In other words, if you want to control the whole farm then you must BET the farm that the investment in AI will work and pay off in the long run.
But wait! What is it again about what ALL machine solutions are designed to do? That’s right! They are designed to FAIL whenever more is demanded of them than they are presently designed to do.
So Joe Normal says, “Oh, that’s no problem, when the AI fails we’ll just fix it, and we can simply continue on doing things the older way while we’re working on fixing it.”
Sorry, Joe, but you won’t. You WON’T fix it because you don’t know how, and you won’t just continue on simply doing things the older way because you don’t know how to do that either. You didn’t think you needed to know how because the AI system was doing it all for you. Why should I know how to spell or do simple arithmetic when I have an AI in my pocket that will do all that for me (and leave me free to listen to music and chat with my friends)
So the so-called “Smart Guys” are telling you to bet the farm on Artificial Intelligence as the “Way Of The Future?” . Did you bother to ask them what that future would be? That it would be a future where no one knew anything about to do any REAL thing, and that when things broke no one would be allowed to fix it even if any of them knew how? Or that the ones who DID know how to fix things (including society itself) would be declared to be criminals, ostracized and hunted down like dogs to be punished, imprisoned or killed?
Are all those Whiz Kid AI Geeeeeeniuses even remotely aware that the technocratic, autocratic and MECHANIC solutions they keep trying to force down our throats are DESIGNED to fail.
THAT is the future of AI, good people. Those hyped up material atheist “geniuses” don’t know the fundamental BASICS of the field they claim to be the unchallengeable experts in. They don’t know because no one taught them as a child, and also because they arrogantly and ignorantly assume that they already knew the basics, which they DON’T. That’s the same reason that they won’t listen to knowledgeable people who try to inform them.
AI will create a society of ignoramuses, and then the AI will fail (100% guaranteed), and people will die in droves because there is no fall-back position of knowing how to do (and being capable of doing for themselves) what the AI did for them before it failed.
How long before the big guys start using AI to create AI that is designed to bring down the other guy’s AI?
We will of course assume that it was just another weapons race from the start.
It’s always nice to have more proof, even when you have no emotional or intellectual need for further proof.
Ukraine paid the perpetrators for the Crocus City Hall massacre in Moscow. https://sputnikglobe.com/20240330/money-transfers-proof-that-crocus-terrorists-for-hire-followed-orders-from-ukraine-1117652604.html
The “mitigating effects” are to pump more printed money from somewhere into whatever is determined requires it. Centrally planned economy via printing/spending. Our opinions, information, decisions are neither required nor wanted. Enough printed money can overwhelm ANYTHING.”
Yes, I reckon the One-Trick-Pony will do it’s single trick for as long as it can get away with it. After all, doubling down is the only trick they’ve got.
The big question is how long they can get away with it. Doubling down only works when the sucker is willing to accept whatever you’re using as money. Even a trillion “Dollars” ain’t worth much when a dollar is worth nothing. Reichsmarks and Confederate Dollars spring to mind.
Kunstler made a good point about the FSK Bridge collapse fiasco that I had overlooked: INSURANCE. Insurance of many many kinds. All SORTS of insurance policies held by countless parties who just lost a LOT of money (probably trillions, if you add it all up) and every one of them is going to turn to their insurer in expectation of being paid for their insured losses.
Frankly, I don’t see how the Insurance Industry itself can survive paying out those kinds of legal and legitimate insurance claims all at once. Layer upon layer of the “nested” system of investors and underwriters of the Insurance Biz are effected. It boggles my imagination trying to picture how far and deep the knock-on effects will go. Looks kinda like a 250′ tall tsunami of falling domines from where I’m standing.
What mitigating effects of human self-preservation instincts and financial/legal countermeasures could slow or stop this bringing down the whole frigging system? Is this THE Black Swan everyone’s been anticipating, or am I just having a fever dream?
The Blob is so abysmally stupid that they think making terrifyingly unjust examples out of people (like they’re doing to Assange, and in Gaza and Ukraine, and many many others) will discourage opposition to the Blob’s nefarious plans. They think these acts of blatant terrorism will act as deterrents, and thereby serve the Blob’s purposes. They actually do believe that making examples out of heroes is DIFFERENT than making martyrs out of them, or, better yet, new LEADERS for the rising mob of victims, lessor martyrs and other potential warriors in the armies of Truth.
There are enormous numbers of fine people who for one ill-advised reason or another have served in the ranks of the Blob. Perhaps they just like the money, prestige or security of membership in the upper classes of civilization. It is GUARANTEED that these salvageable souls will be EJECTED from the Blob (I think “cancelled”, “Law-fared” and “Arkancided” are the new terms for that sort of involuntary retirement plan.
Some of those folks will remain jerks, but some (the better among them) will NOT remain jerks. They will repent and reform, and as they do so, the size and scope of the conflict will deepen and broaden accordingly. Those folks aren’t peasants with pitchforks. They’re grownups who still know how to prepare for and win fights, but even they are not ready for what comes next after they enter the fray. Like, what happens AFTER the system itself gets so damaged in the slug-fest that it fails to operate as expected? It’s the same system that they depend on as much or more than everyone else, so what will they do when that functioning system stops functioning to the extent and degree necessary to keep the house of cards upright?
I honestly don’t think that any “AI” battle planning/wargame software outfit has the chops to war-game much of that out, at scale. It is heretofore uncharted territory, and as such will play out in the only way that it can. The REAL way, and THAT means that there is still one helluva lot more waking up to do, for everyone.
From Wikipedia (of all places!):
“The Copernicus Climate Change Service[1] (abbreviated as C3S) is one of the six thematic services provided by the European Union’s Copernicus Programme. The Copernicus Programme is managed by the European Commission and the C3S is implemented by the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF).The objective of the Copernicus Climate Change Service is to build an EU knowledge base in support of mitigation and adaptation policies for Climate Change and Global Warming. The goal of the operational Climate Change service is to provide reliable information about the current and past state of the climate, the forecasts on a seasonal time scale, and the more likely projections in the coming decades for various scenarios of greenhouse gas emissions and other Climate Change contributors.”
Copernicus. EU Climate Change Program implementation. Need anyone say more?
What would you like to bet that the investigation and harbor repairs in the Key Bridge destructo-festival evolve and grow into a clusterfuck of historic proportions?
I’m beginning to see what the Gold Standard is. It’s the only moderately stable “real thing” that holds still long enough that you can use it to measure what your money and stuff is worth. Hence the word “standard”. Hence the confidence we can have in knowing that there is always going to be a need for it, if for no other reason than that one: you have to have a standard if you’re going to need to measure what things are worth.
What impressed me most about the Russians reverse engineering the Storm Shadow was the “hands on” no-nonsense part of it. Western “experts” would have approached such a task with all sorts of theatrical foo-faw to impress grant donors into sending them more money. You know, gleaming technology and fancy laboratory camera angles, etc. All show, no go. The Ruskies, on the other hand, have REAL experts who know exactly what to do to get the result they need to accomplish the job that they see needs doing. and they just go in an do it. No muss, no fuss.
The event that will finally get everybody’s undivided attention is when they discover that they are broke and don’t legally own anything, and have a debt repayment demand that they must legally meet which they couldn’t pay off in several lifetimes of scrimping and saving.
When will people ever get it through their heads that the Dollars (that they compulsively denominate everything in) are a DEBT that depends for its “value” upon that debt being REPAID upon demand?
I know, I know, that’s just all too sophomoric to tolerate, right?
Wrong.
What it is is the simple truth. The one that no one wants to listen to because they prefer to believe that their money and “legally owned” possessions are worth something. Well, I suppose one has to admit that they ARE worth SOMETHING. They’re worth the willingness and ability of the debtor to repay the IOU. If the debtor is unwilling or UNABLE to honor the IOU (the Dollar) then all you’re going to get from them when you demand that they give you real goods in exchange for “legal tender” is a blank stare.
The nation which prints Dollars is about 40 TRILLION Dollars in debt, and falling deeper into that black hole at the rate of another trillion every fiscal quarter. No sign of slowing. Quite the contrary. Throw in corporate and household is another 40. The entire magilla of real assets underpinning that mighty big loan might bring 100 trillion at auction on a good day. It’s looking more and more like a balance sheet that’s either already in the red (probable) or too close for comfort (if you’re feeling comfortable then I want to know what drug you’re taking.)
So all those dollars stored up in all sorts and forms of value representation (from digital ledger entries, to greenbacks to acres of mud in Missouri.) don’t belong to YOU. Legally speaking, they belong to the holders of all that DEBT, and when those debt holders demand repayment then they become the legal owners of all that real stuff. In which case you don’t LEGALLY own anything. Not even own the clothes on your back
Did I mention that America is in debt?
Clinton and Obama are going to be the training wheels on Biden’s fund raising bicycle?
That’s one the best metaphors I’ve read in years. World class.
When the ship hit the bridge the first thing that happened is that the bridge fell down and the second thing is trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure, employment and trade that would otherwise have been done through the Port of Baltimore became ZERO, making all of the INVESTMENTS in that commerce worth LESS than zero.
The smart money started making adjustments to minimize those losses before the water stopped splashing. Everyone who was too slow getting their money out of Baltimore-Connected dealings has now lost that money forever. And more importantly, the ones who saw it coming made a killing (no pun intended.)
Looking for a culprit for the “unanticipated” “accident”? That’s easy. Find out who made money from it.
We’re looking for the owners of a PLUCKED black swan.I would pick up the investigative thread with the Nazi’s who own Maersk shipping, and expect to end up finding the usual suspects at the other end of the thread
Incidentally, Maersk is an interesting outfit. Very VERY interesting.
The new system is simplicity itself. They do anything they want, and you do everything you’re told. Any questions? Sorry, the new system does not allow questions.
Why collapse the system? Why, to make people desperate enough to accept the new system. It will be offered up as the only possible solution to the state of total poverty, utter collapse and unremitting agony that they’re creating to shape the battlefield.. If you thought that the old system sucked (it got us into this mess didn’t it?) then the problems with new system are just gonna kill ya. As in literally. The new system will do everything it can to kill you if you don’t accept it lock stock and bagel.
They want you to think of that “reset” (i.e. their package of solutions) as an offer you can’t refuse. Better refuse it anyway because accepting would be worse. A LOT worse. Like legally MANDATED democide worse.
Think of it as an offer you can’t accept. As in literally. It will kill you if you accept it.
@DrDRich
Simplicius goes on and on with his criticism today by mentioning Israel repeatedly and a particular Rabbi but the words Jew and Synagogue escape him as if he’s afflicted by that notorious DBSDrD tape-brainworm.
Entrainment works.”And what “tape-brainworm” might that be, Doctor? Something that you think is inferior in some way, I reckon. Still . . . . and this is an important point . . . . it is disingenuous for you to imply that I have what you think to be an affliction, without saying what that malady actually is. I suppose you want to leave the definition to our fevered imaginations.
What don’t you just spit it out in plain English? Was it an oversight or are you just an ignorant chickenshit?
Tell me what you think that I think about Jews and the relationship between them, their religions (there are MANY), and the current state of this world.
I’m willing to bet my life that you haven’t got the foggiest notion about my real and actual position on the topic of Jews and the tragically sordid history of monumentally evil done by their leaders for literally thousands of years, and their progenitors before them for many thousands of years more.
The reason that you don’t know is that you don’t listen, and the reason that you don’t listen is that you suffer the arrogance of believing (without evidence) that you already know. Which you don’t. Which explains your arrogance. Which is so painfully apparent to everyone who isn’t hiding their ignorance behind presumptuous airs of superiority. Which is practically everybody who actually know what’s going on around them. Which sort of leaves you out.
ALL of the statutorily legal enforceable power in the United States is held and exercised by the nation’s various official institutions, as described in law, policy, and authorized orders.
In aggregate these various official institutions (and of course the people in them) constitute the Government, and the Government has decided among themselves, and made it statutorily enforceably legal, that the government must preserve itself.
All efforts to nullify that decision, regardless of whether those efforts come from inside or outside of the government, are thus deemed to be illegal and treasonous, and the officially authorized forces of the government will be brought to bear to put an end to those efforts. Additional powers and resources will be added to that enforcement effort if lesser powers and resources prove to be insufficient. There is no upper limit to those powers assumed and resources requisitioned, since self-preservation (of the Government) is the officially uppermost priority. If necessary to accomplish preservation of the Government then ALL of power of the government will be devoted to accomplishing it.
If the Government finds itself to have conflicting interests, on any matter whatsoever, with the non-governmental population then in such cases it must be the interests of the Government which prevail. Anything other than that would be illegal as per the statutorily legal enforceable power in the United States as held and exercised by the nation’s various official institutions, as described in law, policy, and authorized orders.
The current government of the United States of America is legally obliged, literally mandated, to preserve itself even if to achieve that aim it must silence all dissident voices and efforts forever. In other words, even if they have to kill you to do it.
That’s a closed loop, folks. That means there is no other way out, it’s you are them. Which reminds me (and you, too, probably) of some other conflicts down through the ages. The Battle Between Good and Evil springs to mind.
How do you reckon you’re going to work that out?
Sure am glad that I’m here for the finale. Wouldn’t miss it for the world.
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
What do you think, are these assertions true?
@DrDRich
That is correct. I was just the lowly helmsman, and sure that it never crossed anyone’s mind to say “Hey guys, Smitty over there at the wheel is a good sailor. Let’s let him take control of this very large ship full of high explosive ordinance and a few nukes, while passing through the extremely crowded Strait of Gibraltar, and see how he does. What could go wrong?”
I also remember this about my hours on the bridge. It was dead serious and by the book at all times and under all conditions. There was never so much as one atom of tom-foolery, joking, or departure from strictly standard procedures. I say this because (as Dr Rich implies) taking the conn of a big ship is serious business. Hell, man, forget about human lives, we’re talking about CAREERS being at stake!
@aspnaz wrote, “Whatever, it doesn’t make sense.”
I wouldn’t expect any sensible thing to make much sense to you, Aspie old boy. You’re too busy being angry at things.
Since you obviously could not read and understand what I originally wrote it looks like I have to quote myself and give you another chance. I understand that English is not your first language, but if you take it slowly you should be able to get it. Try not to move your lips. I wrote, “How about an open source collaboration to create an ideal National Constitution?”
Notice that there is no mention of the United States. Also notice that it says, “National Constitution”, which might be applicable to those nations who have constitutions, unlike your nation, which only as a big ass committee of thugs who just make shit up as they go along. That’s fine. People get the nation they earn.
How many folk here ever “drove”, as in conned, a several hundred foot ship?”
Yeah, me, although my part of the job was simply to watch the compass, turn the wheel, and follow orders. We were a 450 ft flat bottomed freighter, the USS AE 17 Great Sitkin, which was an Ammunition carrier (including nukes). I LOVED standing Helm Watch. I could feel the feedback of all of the forces at play in steering a course, and it was absolutely thrilling.
Back in that day it took 8 people on the bridge, plus two lookouts just outside on the “wings”, and that’s not including the radar men, navigator and all those snipes down in the Engineering spaces to keep it all working and actually moving through the water. Complicated. Not as simple as it looks to an observer from the outside.
All of those memories are WAY back in time for me (like 50 some years ago) but some of it is so tattooed on my brain that I can reexperience them anytime by just closing my eyes). One of those things is that big ships take a lot of time and transfer of forces to turn at all. I could literally count the seconds between turning the wheel and the bow coming around at all. Another thing about it is that EVERY turn had to be stopped by a counter turn in the other direction. Going in an absolutely straight line was absolutely impossible by the very nature of the masses and forces involved.
Based on my personal experience my opinion is that the Dali’s onboard computer guidance system was hacked and that the ship was guided directly into the bridge’s pylon. No human being could have guided that ship so precisely into a collision course and maintained that guidance so minutely and accurately for that long of a time. I’ve watched the videos from multiple angles , many times over and at various playback rates, and I think that the Dali’s movements could only have been a precision guided deliberate collision, well beyond human capability and therefor certainly accomplished with expertly programmed computerized control.
If you think that the government of the United States can be “reformed” in such a way that it goes back to obeying the rules as you believed they were intended when written, then I have two things that I would like you to consider.
The first thing is to ask yourself this question with full honesty (which you CAN do because you don’t have to tell anyone else anything about your answer, at all) : Are you sure that you know very much about the nitty gritty of what our present government actually is?
And the second re-examination is to imagine, step by step, how one might go about actually carrying out, in the real world, any of those reformative actions on the actual government as it currently exists. What sort of lever, or fulcrum or applied force would be used upon which particular person or object? Are any of those actions even possible when the levers, pivots, and people are each of them already corrupted in their present form?
My opinion is that only the creation of a parallel system might work, while the corrupt system can only be allowed or assisted (or dissuaded from) destroying itself. Why interrupt an opponent while it is obsessively engaged in making a mistake that will render it impotent (or even absent) as a foe? Time and effort would be much better spent building something good (the acknowledged necessity of self-defense notwithstanding).
