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@ Dr. D
You seem to almost delight in how so little is good enough for you. Granted, the works of humanity disappoint overall and too often horrify, but we are humans and this is the world. CLoud, sky, horizon, breeze, ground, lungs, heart, feet, mind, soul.
Nothing needs to be fixed because, as your own impressive survey of history shows, nothing can be done.
I’m sipping Flor De Caña and lime juice, it’s three a.m.
Blow a fruit fly off the rim of my glass
The radio’s playing Superchunk and the Friends of Dean Martinez
Midnight it was bike tires whacking the pot holes
Milling humans’ shivering energy glow
Fusing the space between them with bar-throb bass and laughter
If this were the last night of the world
What would I do?
What would I do that was different
Unless it was champagne with you?
I learned as a child not to trust in my body
I’ve carried that burden through my life
But there’s a day when we all have to be pried loose
If this were the last night of the world
What would I do?
What would I do that was different
Unless it was champagne with you?
I’ve seen the flame of hope among the hopeless
And that was truly the biggest heartbreak of all
That was the straw that broke me open
If this were the last night of the world
What would I do?
What would I do that was different
Unless it was champagne with you?
<end>Let’s just live. It’s all we’re doing for now anyway. Death and calamity do as they will. One can always choose death or even calamity (Gurdjieff did, twice) as a way out and hopefully toward some brighter reality, but until that time, living seems to be the sole option.
@ Michael Reid
You’re very welcome. I’d share some other souls if I could but this is the only one I have.
“He opened his eyes, and he looked at me and said quite clearly, “You know, it’s not that big of a deal.”
Yes. Give a dying person room to do what they need to do. They’ll surely ask if they need anything. But maybe give them a flashlight, the ancient kind using ancient Eveready batteries.
@ Michael Reid
The narrative of covid is too wide and multi-faceted, alas, for the simple death rate to offer meaningful comfort or explanatory power to most people, even me. Not that I’m scared of covid but that “covid” is more than one thing. OUr responses to it are turning it into many things, some of them able to significantly increase the death rate, at which point the people who want me to stay around will experience much cognitive dissonance and probably physicalo deprivation or worse.
Me, I’m just a dry leaf in God’s wind.
@ MIchael Reid
I’m excited to die.
“Life is a great surprise. I do not see why death should not be an even greater one.”― Vladimir Nabokov
But other people want me to stick around so I stay.
@ pheonixvoice
“Theists often fail to realize that one can be spiritual and moral without belief in a deity. And religion has very often been used as a tool to put “the fear of God” into folks so that they are easier to control. For this reason I don’t find the divisions of theist/atheist and religious/irreligious to be so helpful.”
True enough but there is another aspect, one so old and well-known it’s almost been forgotten: deisms like Xitanity and it Abrahamist family don’t believe that humanity by itself has any reason to hope for any kind of stable reliable peace and plenty. Hence the Universalist alternative coming online in synch with the Enlightenment and its secular humanism.
Dr. D has little hope for humanity on its own, I perceive, but am perhaps only projecting my own pessimism on the matter.
“Human creativity flourishes best with limits, not when there are no limits.”
This is also a tenet of religiously conservative thinking, which is why it bases itself on obedience to higher law before submitting to human utopian notions for a better world, the idea being that we can’t begin to direct our own moral compass and are therefore wise to go in circles around God as we understand and/or dogmatically codify HIr/Hem/It in our hypocriticaly disobedient ways. It helps keep us from following too far the destructively linear trajectories of human governance. (After every political revolution comes a resurgence of religion unless that revolution is against religious authority, and even then, it’s almost always a switch from one religious code to another a la Catholicism/Protestantism.)
If the two camps weren’t perpetually at war with each other, tribalism being the primal imprint of our social DNA, they might learn something from each other. In fact, it happens… but not so’s you’d notice. 😉
Meanwhile, if you have some honey, tell hem/hir what they mean to you:
If it isn’t true, tell ’em anyway. Practice makes perfect.
Gun industry prepares for a surge in demand after back-to-back mass shootings
After mass shootings in Boulder and Atlanta that killed 18 people in the span of a single week, lawmakers are once again calling for stricter gun regulation in America. The gun industry is already preparing for a surge of sales.
“When you hear more calls for firearm restrictions, we have observed gun sale increases primarily from people buying before they’re not able to,” said Rob Southwick, founder of the market research firm Southwick Associates.It’s too soon to know how the back-to-back shootings will affect sales of firearms, industry experts say. Reliable figures from federal background checks won’t be released until next month. But if history is any guide, gun dealers and manufacturers can expect a surge in demand.”
Also, the look in Biden’s eyes in the image. He’s lost, trapped, caught in some devil’s bargain. He chose poorly, as the knight defending the Golden Chalice said of Indy Jones’ opponent.
@ John Day
“@Dr.D and Madamski: Buddhism is the atheistic religion, which is why some Muslims only kill Buddhists and not Christians or Jews.”
I think atheistic is far too strong a term for Buddhism. Agnostic fits better, I feel. Buddhism evolved quickly to incoprporate the average person’s desire for gods, demiurges, angels, ghosts, afterlives, forelives, alternate universes, u name it…
@ Noirette
“> Russia must implement Minsk accords. (The problems with this accord are endless and merely denoucing Russia is ridiculous.)
> Russia must give up hybrid war and its cyber-attacks
> Russia must respect human rights”Thanx for the research effort. It cinches in my mind the prospect that our government will do as the late Roman governments did: pretend they’re still might and make belligerent destructive lunatic asses of themselves until Russia has no choice but to put us out of our misery before we do any more damage.
“…give up hybrid was and cyber-attacks?”
That is the Congolese calling a Caucasian in white-face black.
@ Bill7
Rob Slane writes some interesting books on the secular/Xtian divide. But his remarks here are shit:
“You will search in vain for pre-2020 medical and scientific literature advocating the mass quarantining of healthy people as an appropriate response to a pandemic. In fact, after a panicked Mexican Government flirted with the idea for five whole days during the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak (ending it once it was realised how devastating it would be), the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO) at the time, Dr Margaret Chan, explicitly warned against such destructive measures being used”
Quarantine is not synonymous with lockdown. Quarantine always relates to boundaries and known contagion vectors. Also, “mass quarantine” is not synonymous with “universal population quarantine”, which concepts so many covid ranters interchange at will. Basically, Rob Slane is lying here, albeit not necressarily wittingly. Everyone has their blind spots. Mass quarantine is well documented in pre-2020, even ancient times. Period. Bullshit is bullshit regardless the source.
Yes, telling people to stay indoors with their windows closed is insane, which is what one should expect from modern politicians: insane advice to a culturally insane populace. But even insanity can work: China did an extreme mass lockdown on city/region-wide bases; and it appears to be well ahead of the rest of us in getting beyond covid (while preparing its population repeatedly for effective action should, say, a severe bioweapon be spread massively over their mainland).
Yes, covid is being used to serve power not people. Like every other problem and resource humanity encounters on a group level. That’s no reason to lose your head over it and spout jive in opposition to jive.
But yes, the UK is toast. T
Gaugin: love the comnpression of light. Creats what I’ll call ‘virtual iridescence’.
Also, the suggested illusion of a woman on the right (blue torso, black hair).
‘…just a wicked nasty flu…’ is both truie and false.
If covid gets a sufficient viral load of the right strain into a person, it’s majorly serious business, more than just a nasty wicked flu. While there are obviously solid reliable cures available, I’ll ignore that and focus on prevention, which is where covid is indeed just another lousy flu: if you keep youor immune system healthy and your general bodily health reasonably strong, take a sniffle or cough seriously rather than ignore it with some OTC cold medicine like we usually do, take extra precautions in powerfully infectious environments (closed air space, heavy AC) to keep your front line defense (hydration especially of the sinuses), your body will get a chance to ID covid for immunity purposes while easily fighting it off with your general immune system.
Covid, like all life, is a process, one with a life cycle. Nip it in the bud, which is easily done for us wealthy westerners, and it’s a nasty-ass hyper-“flu” you avoided by taking diligent consistent precautions.
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Lawsuits were mentioned yesterday. While the driver of masked lockdown resistence will be ad hoc/actual rather than legal/abstract, lawsuits will help signal the fools in charge that this particular game is over. Particularly, I imagine lawsuits based on how UNHEALTHY prolonged maskwear and social distancing is to both individuals and groups.
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@ a kullervo
Nice music. Genius lyrics.
“You can only escape slavery through madness.
Madness is most likely conducive to a brief life”Depends on which flavor of madness one picks. Ther are many many ways to turn oneself inside out. Depends, I suppose, on where and when you first begin pulling. I chose madness as a teenager and I’m still around, more scarred than most but also stronger within, faster than a receding mullet, stronger than a loco motive, able to leap small geldings with a single bound.
Why yes, it’s numerously a miracle that I survived, but then, it’s a miracle I survived my birth, which almost killed me and my mother while saving her from until then undiagnosed rampant ovarian cancer. It’s a miracle I was born. Best I can tell, it’s a miracle anyone is born.
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“Elderly Cyclist Beaten By Dutch Police”
Those tables will turn, and more fiercely than the police can imagine much less deal with. Sociopaths have insufficient fear emotions. Their imagination of negative consequences suffers. If I were a cop, I’d be looking for other work.
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@ Dr. D
“Fear, the opposite to fear? Religion. Basically, a spiritual life beyond this one. That’s why atheism is a must-have element and religious groups are put to genocide, like Falan Gong, Uighers, Christians, and Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and Christians in California. People who can’t be bullied with fear are dangerous. Their sole threat.”
Hmmm… it’s interesting. Both camps — deist versus atheist — blame the other’s chosen cosmic outlook as the cause of insane and destructive socieities. I think both are right as far as they go, which is of course not far enough. (Groups don’t travel as fast as individuals.)
However, religion is the superior option, I feel, because it offers a singular target (god/heavern/etc.) in a nice single location (your deathbed) whil;e the target itself is widely open to interpretatin that accommodates groups as well as individuals. It can span generations with ease.
Atheism requires a personality cult of leadership to be strong. (I’ll note that the Church always has a Pope.) This makes transition over generatins more difficult. God emperor dynasties have a few hundred years at most. Religions last millennia. (Putin strongly supports the Russian Orthodox church: he will die and his successor will probably be an ass. The church is a hedge against depravity.)
I find it easier to take comfort and courage from God, however nebulously unproven that God is, than from Chairman Mao or President Biden. SInce the likes of Mao and Biden are worse than we imagine, I prefer a God Who is better and even more real than I can imagine. More bang for my buck.
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@ Dr. D
“Legislation hasn’t been for the people in 50 years. Look at Carter and what was it, Oxford’s? study that the people’s will has exactly –zero—effect on U.S. legislation. So whose does? BTW, it’s also completely, transparently unconstitutional. ”
Constitutions are meant to be violated, that’s why we have dictators. You have to kill or exile dictators. Constitutions you merely alter.
@ WES
“However I couldn’t believe my eyes when one of the places mentioned in the song was my old home town, Schefferville, in northern Quebec! The place where I spent the first 10 years of my life!”
@ Bill7
In response to the article’s headline: lockdowns work… when applied properly. China’s lockdowns worked swell and there are no known major problems afterwards. A few hiccups, acted swiftly and severely upon, that’s it. In fact, lockdown was probably a bonding event for the Chinese, much as the first covid lockdown was a bonding thing for most Americans. Spring/summer of last year, the likes of FB was full of we’re all in this together jokes. Everyone went out and foraged for wild toilet paper together like in the old days.
There is no relationship between Euromerica’s use of lockdowns et al and actual historical use of pandemic-related lockdowns, so to say that “lock downs never work”, as the article does, is to join the likes of Fauci in spreading disinformation. (I see OffGuardian as very much a limited hangout decoy rag, fwiw.)
At this point, what people need to know most of all in order to break out of the covid hysteria is what covid actually is and what is best to do about it. Simple basic facts that sufficiently refute the official narrative. They don’t need to try and overhaul their entire political belief system if only because they won’t.
15 months into it and we’re still conflating viral pandemics with government conspiracies. While there may be, probably is, considerable overlap in this case, they are still seperate things. One doesn’t solve government oppression by fighting a virus/perceptions-o- said-virus any more than one fights a virus by focusing on government oppression.
People will stop wearing masks because they’ve had enough, and the government will suffer further erosion of authority thereby. But they won’t be demasking to oppose the government (although that will be a subtheme). They’ll be demasking because they’re sick of masks… and have learned/realized that masks aren’t helping but, rather, hurting.
The lockdown isn’t working, it was never properly employed, and is no longer anything but harmful: that would be a better headline.
@ Oroborus
I doubt legal actions will be a leading or main part of ending the masked lockdown nonsense. More or less spontaneous group action at large is what will end it.
At least it makes us feel like we’re doing something to fix the problem. Keeps us from going revolutionary. 😉
This might be relevant:
Comments not showing in posts after WordPress 5.5 update ( 7 months, 1 week ago )
In a few days we should understand the phenomenon well enough to write a little how-to FAQ we can refer people to when they encounter the frustration.
For starters, let’s see if WordPress allows this link:
common wordpress errors and how tofixthem
😉
For sake of clarity:
“Do you know that these funding entities don’t exist and contribute major money to elections? “It’s a question not a statement.”
Boogly-googly!
@ Germ
Dubya is surely no psychopath, imo. Dubya’s sociopathic with some sadistic tendencies.
Cleeny-Weeny strikes me as a sociopathic narcissist, more or less a serial rapist who doesn’t really get off on violence, bombing people and so forth (that’s Hillary’s thing, it seems) but loves power, prestige, reverent attention, the sound of his own voice, and sex with women under most any conditions.
Obama, however, seems like the real thing, a highly successful psychopath not just in his external accomplishments but in the pleasure he can take from portraying a “sensitive male” so well he outdoes the genuine article on stage.
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@ Dr. D
“…to create logical fallacy (Appeal to Authority) which, to be a fallacy, must be against the underlying logic and data”
Not necessarily. Fallacious logic can align with logic and data at times. A tree that weirdly casts a shdow that looks just like a woman carrying a parasol can hide within its outline a woman carrying a parasol. We place SO much faith in our capacity for higher reasoning (*snicker*) when it is just this that gets us into so much unresolvable trouble.
By their fruits ye shall know them, not the methods by which said fruit was harvested.
“your fascist overreach and attempt to both steal all physical goods and end all human rights forever.”
“…forever” is a long time, and “all” is an awful lot of stuff. I’m all for poetic license but I draw the line when it starts to sound like those dopey Xtian hymns where it’s always ‘…from the top of the highest mountin to the bottom of the deepest sea…”.
…a”lso a conspiracy theory. Which Time Magazine joyfully printed the next month that there was a “Cabal” coordinating to the “Right” outcome. Best election ever! Which is why all evidence remains locked up and no one can see it, ever, despite the ire of voters, the commands of legislature, and risk of prison. I always do that when I have nothing to hide.”
Do you know that these funding entities don’t exist and contribute major money to elections? Do you know you then cart-wheeled over your own center of gravity (the bellybutton, srsly), via sarcasm set to eleven, to then segue into only tangentially related issues (actual election fraud evidence), using the expression “all evidence” (at least NOT IN CAPS) just after dismissing pulblicly available evidence that fraud occurred (dark money, which while ‘technically legal’ is still fraudulent in a very broad array of ways and means?
Oh, I don’t mind, and your posts are usually well worth the attention paid to them, but it’s funny to watch sometimes. It’s not something I wish to laugh at but rather, with, so I point it out both for the fun of doing so and in hoipes you can use it to increase the already considerable deliberate humor portion of your posts. Great fun. Carry on.
On CNN footage: I grasp that stagecraft in filmed news is as common as the real thing, I ask us: is this then manufactured imagery?Meanwhile, the comments on the youtube of tsome Rio Grande footage betray downright Hollywood naivete:
“Observation: They’re all wearing nice name-brand clothing.”
Mexico MAKES name-brand clothing and it seels for much less there; plus, one doesn’t want to arrive stateside looking obviously wet-back-y.
“CNN just so happens to be right there just in time to catch him, hmmmm”
One does have to be there if one wants to film it (aerial satellite footage is so… aerial… btw, maybe CNN has a land observation satellite at their disposal via Tesla’s latest satellite necklace?) to film it, and a border refugee crisis usually involves enough numbers to find someone to film if you drive around the border awhile. (I’m sure there are some well-armed security personnal nearby.)This doesn’t mean it isn’t staged: anytime people know they’re being filmed, they act differently.
My motto: when everything* looks like a conspiracy, it isn’t. (*absolutism tolerated here for poetic license;) )
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@ Oroborus
“AME”
Adobe Media Encoder?
You can post the links after your comments. I don’t think it’s censoring; it’s just that WordPress is now a slumlord blog service, margins are thin as my heart lining, cutting coprners saves money for profit, and if people think it’s censorship, why, that drives traffic and revenues up on an alt- site.
Sometimes it allows links, sometimes not. Probably just part of the cut corners kludgery.
“6-Foot Social Distancing ‘Wasn’t Based On Clear Science’”
I’m stunned. I was sure that 6 feet was a scientifically proven protection from cooties.
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“Yeah, sinister indeed.” • Care Home Workers In England Face Mandatory Covid Jabs Under Plans (G.)
After peeing in a cup to prove you don’t smoke the deadly cannabis, it’s less sinister than inevitable.
It occurred to me as I nursed my first cuppa that, if Putin is a warm-hearted soul with a psychopathic shell of functionality, maybe Obama is a psycopath with a warm-hearted veneer of false empathy? It makes sense of the Obama phenomenon to me.
@ MIchael Reid
“I have been enjoying your comments”
There’s medicine for that, I think. 😉
@ WES
The song fits you.
Everywhere@ John Day
“Charles is going-to-ground.”
I understand that. I’m talking about his communication to others in his blog. Butg I’m persnickety. Glad you like my style, JD. It’s the only one I have. 😉
Yesterday’s RUssian Observer is a treat:
“One is reminded of Napoleon’s delusion that Russia’s nobles could be wedged away from Alexander and the undying conviction that one more targetted sanction will make Putin’s henchmen kick him out. But, enough of Anonymous’ fancies – they have no base in reality: the USA out-sourced its manufacturing to China long ago and won’t be getting it back, wokeism is killing its education system, its politics are broken, its military is losing everywhere and doesn’t realise it, a tsunami of debt has built up. Most absurd of all, after years of needless hostility to Russia, Washington has no hope of separating Moscow from Beijing. And Xi Jinpeng is not some rogue who seized control – he is the top of a robust pyramid.”
conclusion
cntd…
If folks are thinking we’re headed for fascism via the GOP, this will be their chance to be right, although the GOP will only get this honor because the Democratic party is, as Hitler once said about liberals (paraphrase alert), “Useless. They cannot come together enough to win because they’re all going in different directions.” Celebrating diversity and a thousand shades of identity politics and saving the planet in a dozen superficial and mostly futile ways at once. Mostly nice intentions but they’re as soft-headed as those conservatives they think are so stupid while not as stubborn and willing to form ranks and fight as those conservative retards. (If anyone thinks I’m ignoring the BLMatter riots, I’m not. Two things: a) it’s pretty obvious at this point that there’s a lot of astroturfing going on there, sort of America’s own “color revolution”, nicely themed on, waddyaknow, color. How thematic!, and b) fighting a buncha dumbass police goons and corporate mall ninjas is not the only form of fighting attendant to major political disturbance, civil war, and revolution… there’s the fighting we do amongst ourselves as we form new power blocs to fill the void left as the old guard disintegrates magically like Biden’s dandruff on TV.)
Meanwhile, we are increasingly having to finance our debt by selling IOUs to ourself…
…while we live almost entirely on debt these days in the USA. I don’t mean domestic consumer debt, although that’s true too. I mean foreign debt. Our dollar buys from foreign nations way more stuff than we produce in exchange. We’ve turned into a financial parasite and the global hosts are increasingly shaking us off like a dog shaking off ticks after rolling in the mud (they let go cuz they can’t breathe).
There. I got my Jeremiah itch scratched. I want a Nudie Cohn C&W outfit with the phrase: Don’t say I didn’t warn you written all over it like a doomsday newspaper.
I’m feeling much better these days, health much improved, finally adjusted to old age enough to get on with certain things. How, she politely asked politely, are the rest of yez?
Something I shared with my e-postal friends:
“Around 18,000 people had been evacuated from flooding in New South Wales.”
“This is nothing like we’ve seen since the 1960s.”
“Communities who were battered by the bushfires a year ago are now being battered by the floods.”One can safely say that at this point, New South Wales people are saying, fuck the masks, fuck social distancing, and fuck our leaders.
At this point, any natural disaster will politically overturn the community it happens to. Almost everywhere, covid and the general state of affairs, period, has stretched the political community fabric too thin to tolerate any more disappointment or hardship.
New South Wales will come out of this flood as an example of post-covid life: majorly eroded trust in not just politicians but also their expert technocrats, especially the science experts. When the mostly liberal crowd, which has so zealously adopted these insanely inept and corrupt covid measures, realizes who badly it has been duped, the conservatives will grow strong overnight as the Biden administration implodes and communities go New South Wales around the states, as we see in places like Florida and all around the world.
Quoth Raul Ilargi, an online raven:
“I’ve seen huge amounts of riot police in many cities this weekend, in Holland, Germany, UK, Sweden, Canada, Florida and money more places (Miami Beach declared a state of emergency), using water cannons, horses, dogs, in some cases tear gas, to disperse relatively small and peaceful crowds. These things are normally used in case of serious rioting. But now the “justification” is that people are standing and walking too close together, and not obeying the “measures” and restrictions.
“But that is exactly what they’re protesting. If you protest the measures, and they say you can only do that if you comply with those same measures, which includes asking permission beforehand, that is not a protest, that is theater. And the right to protest is not something that can just arbitrarily be taken away in a democratic country. Until now. Until Covid came along.Here’s a clip of 14 countries with protests. They don’t include the water cannons etc. footage, which is fine by me.”
Retraction: KUntsler only says “some people will have to do something”, and that’s true. I don’t read as well when I have my head up my ass. Being near-sighted is bad enough, but being rear-sighted is both blinding and stinks.
From today’s Kuntsler article:
“Pretty soon, the game will be up. The election fraud story won’t go away against all efforts to suppress it. The shadow government will get outed as the nation sinks deeper into economic and civil disorder, and some people will have to do something.”
Why he keeps selling that hope-for-change snake oil is beyond me, other than that it probably appeals to many of his readers.
Meanwhile, int today’s Of Two Minds, Charles Hugh Smith displays his favorite weak spot:
“Those who expect a decline in energy availability to immediately lead to civilization-ending chaos overlook how similar life was in 1906 San Francisco, when hydrocarbons generated (by today’s standards) modest amounts of power and biofuel transportation (i.e. horses) were the common form of drayage.”
First, what does he think the civilization-ending chaos we’re in IS? A bit of turbulence as we climb through the cloud layer?
Secondly, he damn well knows that things like major system collapse have a systempunkt, that we’ve already met ours (more or less covid as catalysts). and tsunamis are very slow and gradual… until they hit the shoreline.
Thirdly, he knows it will take at least a generation to create a hybrid energy deconomy like we had in 1906, and that the rate of deprivation and major social disintegration will happen much faster than this.
It’s like even those who face the facts are afraid to feel them, and without emotional logic, logic is useless in understanding human events. He knows that the tide of this harbor rolls out very much faster than it rolls in.
Dr. D, dammit, beat me to the Churchill quote about humans and truth, so I’m stuck saying ‘Amen’. Dirty little shiksa. 😉
Any article that speaks of the Pfizer therapy as a vaccine and not a “vaccine” is DOA.
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@ oxymoron
I really like your analogy. I think it is both an apt metaphor and literally accurate.
I’m suspicious of “gym bro”. His predictions are a bit TOO specific and he works hard to alienate anyone not already higly cyncically skeptical, calling people stupid and allo that. Wouldn’t surprised me if he’s, oh, let’s call them Paid Professional assholes.
# Raul
“How scary would you like it?”
It scares me plenty. Only silver lining there is this will guarantee major public backlash in awhile. Fauci seems destined to be a face of hatred, the kind we put under guillotines.
THank you Doc Robinson for providing some evidence of significant counterpoint.
@ Raul
“It’s not fully impossible that they got what they wanted.”
Yes, and it’s also not impossible that they don’t know what they want. Sometmes current USA reminds me most of Empress Dowager China.
“At the very least, a civil servant should have a head. (Как минимум государственный деятель должен иметь голову.) – Putin’s response to Hillary Clinton’s claim that Putin has no soul. He also recommended that international relations be built without emotion and instead on the basis of the fundamental interests of the states involved.”
You know, it was Hillary who got Obama to invade Libya, they say. And Obama was always what is called a ‘house n-word’. I suspect Hillary’s ass is up Biden’s more than Obama’s, and Hillary is more or less Harris’ main backer:
She obviously hates Obama.
More covidia:
The author (who is sympathetic to Bossche and finds him at least somewhat credible) contacted 3 top dogs in “the field”.
#1 agrees with Bossche. #’s 2&3 don’t.
Their qualifications:
#1 Dr Byram Bridle, Viral Immunologist
#2 Dr Knut Wittkowski, Epidemiologist
# 3 Dr Mike Yeadon, Former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for PfizerOnly one is an actual viral immunologists. The other two use mostly innuendo tactics. SHooting myself in the foot, I’ll note that #3 “is the former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D. Following 32 years at Pfizer he co-founded biotech company Ziarco Pharma Ltd. which was acquired by pharma giant Novartis.”
His logic seems evasive. For example, he says:
“His article has little science in it but lots of claims, the basis of which I cannot understand.”
Character assassination followed by ‘me no know’.
“He appears to have completely ignored T-cell immunity.”
Perhaps t-calls are not that relevant in this paradigm?
That said, he does speak to the science and cites some papers, fwiw. Said science is way above my head.
That said, statements like this smell funny to me:
“The most changed variants are less than 0.3% different from the original sequence from Wuhan. So these are 99.7% identical to the original. It’s not possible that our bodies will not recognise every single variant as very close relatives of the original. No ones immune system will be fooled into thinking “this is a new virus, a new pathogen I’ve not seen before”.
Chimp DNA is not quite 99% different from ours, and our antibodies go apeshit if you put a chimp’s heart into a human body. He says “it’s not possible…” etc. but doesn’t substantiate why after substantiating much else. FWIW, googling “multi locus immunity” (part of his argument) doesn’t provide a match:
Maybe he means “multi-locus antigenic diversity” which is what google mostly offers in the search. If so, why? Layman wouldn’t know the difference. Besides, he says “…what’s called “multi locus immunity” “. But no one else uses the term, apparently.
This: “But let’s say it happened once. If there are enough replication events, maybe it will happen. Worst case is that individual may well be at risk, as if they had a suppressed immune system.”…
…sounds exactly like what Bossche is concerned about: suppressed immune systems caused by too many specialized antbodies at the expense of normal general purpose gang-up-on-’em antibodies.
He says that the chances of variants leaking are slight:
“The most important thing to communicate is how unlikely it is to evade what’s called “multi locus immunity”. It would be, probabilistically, as if the virus rolled a dice & got 20 sixes in a row (not quite, but this is the idea).
“But let’s say it happened once. If there are enough replication events, maybe it will happen. Worst case is that individual may well be at risk, as if they had a suppressed immune system.
“Here’s the reassuring part: because each of us uses a slightly different combination lock as we educate our immune systems through a kind of “molecular identity parade”, checking responses to hundreds of different protein snippets.
“My selected set of 20-40 snippets which confers my immunity to this virus is DIFFERENT from the set of snippets another persons immune system is using. So even if there’s an unlikely variant which escaped my combination lock immunity, it will not have escaped yours.
“Put plainly: I do not believe immune escape mutants are at all likely to have clinical consequences but the most important thing is that even if escape happened, it would represent a threat to an individual, NOT to the community.”
I’m working hard not to let my confirmation bias against authority prevent me from understanding this guy, but I can read, and his statements don’t segue for shit. I would love if someone more knowledgable or more persistent could vet this for us, cuz I smell a bait’n’switch red herring approach from this guy yet I am not convinced I have a basis to disregard his comments… because I don’t fully understand them… but that right there speaks against them, because the blogger, Lee S Dryburgh, who solicited these inputs doesn’t appear to be a doctor.
Let us also note Dr. Bossche’s background: “Well, I have a background essentially in, as far as vaccines are concerned, in industry as well as in the non-for-profit sector. So I have been working with Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVI, especially concentrating on vaccines for global health.”
It’s not like Bossche doesn’t have associations we would be suspicious of also.
Meanwhile, the guy who agrees with Bossche is the only guy who “focuses on the development and optimization of vaccines for the treatment of infectious diseases and cancers. In March of this year he and two of his colleagues were commissioned by the government of Ontario to engineer several potential vaccine candidates to provide protective immunity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2), which is the causative agent of the coronavirus disease that emerged in 2019 (COVID-19).”
This makes him more knowledgable of the question, one would think, but also exposes him to claims that he just wants HIS vaccine to make a buncha money and him famous. Nonetheless, he is the only one of the three to express any serious caution regarding the RNA “vaccine”. I propose we call it ‘vaxeen’ to distinguish from genuine vaccine.
FWIW, I agree with Expert # 1.
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“Is it that my left leaning friends were always this credulous? Is it just because so many are stuck in these digital media bubble silos that surround our minds in cottony propaganda? Because we are not interacting face to face and it this is preventing many from obtaining accurate bearings on what is going on in the world?”
I think it’s because they are products of public and advanced modern education. THey are trained to be professional pedants. They are like the scholars of Scholasticism.
All of us are to some extent this way to the extent we went through the school system successfully. (I dropped out in my freshman year.) But liberals as a group are moreso, in my experience, perhaps because they lean toward the liberal arts degrees versus hard science or MBAs?
One might say (throwing fish to the dolphins here, I am) that conservatives lean toward Law and Order and liberals lean toward Law and Orders? It’s their reactionary curse from too often being forced to deal with major social ills that conbservatives fail to address. They idealize their ideologiy, and once you idealize something, it has the right to rule and reign by whatever means deemed necessary.
Currently, the conservative camp has become the new progressive camp insomuch as it is willing to address those social ills caused by their loyal opposition, the liberals. Either way, both sides are right, goddammit, what are you some kind of libtard/repugnican?, and that holds together about as well as two magnets of identical polarity.
All that said, I’ve heard numerous conservatives say might dumb things about covid or you name it. Credulousness is hardly a monopoly of either side.
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