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Regarding C19 false-positive PCR test results…
I don’t wish to be a crank, but I wish that better information were available. For example, if we just *knew* the cycle count for each test, then we could make a comparison between whether or not symptoms were present, and how many cycles it took to return a positve.My son was quarantined for C19 exposure in Spanish class last week. By Saturday night he had a runny nose, Tuesday morning at 4 am he vomited. Now…the runny nose could be allergies, and the vomit could have been because he insisted on eating a large quantity of VERY spice food just before going to bed. They also could be legitimate symptoms of C19 infection. Who knows? So I tested all three kids Monday morning, PCR tests (as that is what the insurance covers.)
Results: all three are negative. Seriously, I’m begining to believe that these three kids are impervious to C19. Maybe their innate immune systems are just so primed C19 gets zapped into non-existence so fast…! I’d really just like some sort of proof that they are immune — but the innate immune system doesn’t do that (if I’m understanding this correctly). My daughter tested negative for antibodies in the spring, and the T-Detect test is not something I want to splurge for right now. I think the next time any of them need a blood test for some reason I’m going to ask the doctor to include antibody testing.
The “so many false positives to the covid PCR test” trope doesn’t correspond to the lived reality of my own household. Between 5 people we’ve had about 21 PCR tests in the past 12 months — only two came up positive, and those were for the two individuals who tested with obvious covid symptoms — fever, and the whole nine yards. Maybe the labs in Phoenix, AZ don’t run as many cycles as labs in other places? Who knows — they aren’t including cycle counts in the results. It’s hard to say, but IF the labs around here are running cycles past 35, up to 40, and IF it is correct to say that 95% of positives at 35 cycles and beyond are false positives, then out of 19 PCR tests of my household when we had either no covid symptoms or mild maybe covid symptoms — that is a large enough sample for 95% — a false positive should have squeaked through. It bugs me to have insufficient data.
Other data regarding C19 *does* pan out. For example, if the jabs are as wildly dangerous as they are reputed to be, then I should be seeing some people in my own social circles who are exhibiting vaccine injuries. This is happening: there are 6 people in my social circles that are exhibiting medical problems that are consistent with C19 vaccine injury.
Another area of C19 data: C19 does kill a few people, but most people survive it just fine, although a small number get long covid. This pans out — I know one person who has died, my mother knows one other. I know a several dozen people who have had covid who survived it just fine. I know of two who contracted “long covid” — tellingly, both have co-morbidities.
I don’t as yet know anyone who is double-jabbed who has contracted Covid. However, there are probably only two or three dozen people whose have been vaccinated that I know received the vaccine, that it isn’t just a suspicion. Of those, maybe a couple dozen do I know well enough that they would tell me (or, they are extended family, and I’m sure such knowledge would get gossiped through the grapevine), that they had covid after vaccination. Based on the stats out of Israel and the UK, I expect that I’ll eventually get anecdotal evidence of this in my own social circles.
I conducted a little social media experiment yesterday. I have an account on Nextdoor.com (similar to facebook.com, but for neighborhoods.) A lady had made a post about how the hospitals were all so overwhelmed, and we should all just stay home, etc., etc. I responded and pointed out that India’s percent per million that was infected by covid was much less than the delta wave currently going on in Israel, the UK, and the US, so maybe we should take a look at what they did?
Yeah…the original poster did not like my comment. She retorted that it was “all over the media” that “7%” of India’s population had died from the delta wave. That was too outrageous to not continue to respond. I pointed out that based on the cumulative dead from covid stats in ourworldindata and the population of India from 2019, total dead from covid in India was 0.03% of the population.
Well, the original poster had to go back to her sources, and apparently “all over the media” is actually saying that the excess death was 0.07% of the population. (That’s more like it.) I pointed out again that India suffered fewer covid cases per million people, citing the graph on TAE posted by Raul three days ago, suggesting folks go to OurWorldInData on their own — and, with that being the case, we ought to use the scientific method to figure out why that is. Do the Indian people get more sun than the peopel of Israel/UK/USA? Are the Indian people less obese than the people of Israel/UK/USA?
Poster’s response: “There could be physiologic differences-interesting to consider.” But she mostly attributed it to lacking ability in India to track cases, etc. I would have loved to point out that India’s delta wave is over…but by morning I am no longer able to respond to the thread…I have been censored from posting more. (Not sure if this was just to me, or if it was done to the entire thread.)
However, because I spoke up another woman disagreed with the trope that the hospitals are struggling — one person said “there are no elective surgeries in hospitals once again” — another responded that elective surgeries were still going on at the hospital where she worked. And the original poster shared that a friend of hers who works on the “extreme life support” part of a hospital is hesitant to get the vaccine.
It was a fun little exercise while it lasted. I never contradicted anything said — except for the wildly wrong statistic, which I used accurate statistics to refute. My purpose was to “let in a little bit of light” — just to get some light through the chinks in the minds of the brainwashed. *sigh* It is what I would do if my church had in-person meetings…some of the time, afterwards, (when I wasn’t making music with others on the patio,) I’d sit and chat with people and point out facts that don’t quite jive with their worldview, and then see how the conversation unfolds. It’s a way for me to deal with the frustration of being surrounded by people with uninformed opinions. Sometimes, I’d encounter someone who knew more on a subject than I did, and *I’d* learn a thing or two, expanding my own understanding. I miss that.
Hm. I wonder if the two FDA bigwigs stepping down are going to get cushy jobs with Big Pharma? Or will we soon see them making the rounds, with interviews on brighteon, stewpeter, and dark horse?
@ mr roboto
“ It sounds as though you already hit the salt mine. (See what I did there? See what I did?)”
*grin*More fun with anecdotes!
My sister’s in-laws — four families — took a road trip together and stayed in an airbnb for about a week. Just before the start of their journey, one male adult had just been diagnosed with covid — he had symptoms and positive PCR test. My sister kindly shared with me the results.
Family 1
2 adults, 4 minors
Covid Stats: no prior covid infections, no covid vaccinations
Results: 1 adult from this family was diagnosed (symptoms + PCR) just before the outset of the trip.
All came down with covid symptoms. (No further PCR.)Famly 2
8 adults
Covid Stats: no prior covid infections, all fully vaccinated against covid.
Results: All came down with covid symptoms.Family 3
3 adults, 4 minors
Covid Stats: Covid swept through this family in October 2020, no vaccinations against covid
Results: 2 adults and 4 minors came down with covid symptoms. One adult (age 18) who, ironically enough, was the first infected back in October 2020, did not develop symptoms.Family 4
3 adults, 4 minors
Covid Stats: Covid swept through this family in November 2020, adults fully vaccinated against covid, children’s vaccination status unknown
Results: All came down with covid symptoms.In general, with the exception of the 18 year old who had a confirmed case of covid in Oct 2020, the adults’ symptoms were much worse than the kids symptoms.
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The results are a little mind-boggling.
Yes…the headlights are efficient for the driver…but not for oncoming traffic that is sensitive to abrupt changes in light that happen often during night driving outside of the city — like me. Blinding other drivers is an inefficient tradeoff.
And the obesity stats…thise are telling as well. Western civilization thinks so highly of itself…yet by many metrics it is a very diseased civilization.
Kudos to deflationista today…
Assuredly, if the death stats in the high ivermectin African countries are that inaccurate, then that undermines the comparison. This is good to know.Fun with anecdotes!
My sister’s friend (S) went out with a woman in her mid-fifties a few weeks ago. After the secod date she refused to go out again with S unless he got vaccinated. S declined to go out with her again. Recently, S spoke with the woman, who told him that she has been now been diagnosed with breast cancer, and has multiple tumors throughout her breasts.
This same friend of my sister, S. is acquainted with a man who works at Game Stop, (G), age 31. G was so scared of covid that within a short time frame he was quadruple jabbed – two jabs of Pfizer! Two jabs of Moderna! G was recently diagnosed with testicular cancer. He also is having a life threatening problem in his lungs. (My sister didn’t recall the pulmonary diagnosis.)
Re mr roboto
“And the left, and I include the extra-Democratic-Party hard left in this, embraces the whole thing, because the left in the USA has a way of attracting people who are very existentially empty.”Point in case:
When I suggested that my church choir, from my very liberal church, discuss meeting, this was the beginning of one response:
I do not think this question should be decided by a purely democratic
voting process. We all do not have the needed information or expertise
to make an informed decision. I’d rather leave it to our elected Board
and our very capable staff to decide what we are going to do. We in the
choir can certainly provide input to that decision making process.Mind you, the church’s “5th principle” is this: The Right of Conscience and the Use of the Democratic Process Within Our Congregations and in Society at Large
More info:
“In our religious lives, the democratic process requires trust in the development of each individual conscience—a belief that such development is possible for each of us, as well as a commitment to cultivate our own conscience. We could call it a commitment to the value of each person. In the words of Theodore Parker, ‘Democracy means not “I am as good as you are,” but “You are as good as I am.”’ My connection with the sacred is only as precious as my willingness to acknowledge the same connection in others.”
—Rev. Parisa ParsaAnd…the man who responded revealed that he has no confidence nor value in those who are not a part of an official hierarchy. The elected board has access to the exact same data as the laity. There are no doctors nor scientists on the elected board.
And a shout out of appreciation to Raul, all commenters, and the lurkers — I am so grateful to be a part of TAE. Daily we try to make sense out of a non-sensical world.
Verified that my local feed store (where I get my hens’ food) has ivermectin. If my covid-exposed son comes down with covid, I know where to go.
@ Polder Dweller
Thank you for Graham’s Hierarchy of “Argument” infographic. I’d never seen that before.
It is helpful when responding to someone else’s argument or when constructing my own to keep this in mind.Trudeau, from germ’s video above:
“In fact, a top bank economist has warned….”
Um…
In our day and age the words of a “top bank economist” are equivalent to the words of crystal ball gazers, people performing divination, soothsayers, palm readers, astrologers, etc. When will people understand the equivalence? (We should probably add pandemic modelers as well.). If any of them did not speak the words that the client wanted to hear, they would be out of a job.Re Karen Kingston
She makes several salient points
– Pfizer obligated to reveal ingredients 2 weeks from approval
– she explains the possible source of the graphene and why it is there
– she is very familiar with the “usual” approval process, which is helpful when trying to ascertain where the FDA has deviated from the usual approval process. This is an area of her expertise.
– she points out the oddity of no website up yet to advertise comirnaty — however, I just checked, and the website (comirnaty.com) IS live right now. If it wasn’t up for this interview, I agree that’s a little odd. Suggests there were some last minute changes based on the approval letter.
– she raises the specter of perhaps not all vials of Pfizer vaccines have had the same formulations, suggests this is reason why there is such a spread of adverse reactions from no reaction to death. We have also heard the theories that this could be due to potency issues (i.e. correct temperature not maintained, vial contents became inert prior to injection,) the mysterious saline vials, and because of the nature of mRNA vaccines — dispersal through the circulatory system causing them and the produced spikes to show up somewhat randomly through the body, leading to somewhat random display of symptoms.
– she points out a prevalence of “Covid symptoms” in people immediately post first injection up to 2 weeks post 2nd injection in the recent Mayo study that sound an awful lot like the adverse Covid vaccine reactions in the VAERS database, that also sound like severe Covid symptoms. She suggests ADE – but really, she does not provide enough explanation for her assertion, and her background does not lend authority to that particular assertion. (More assessment would be needed to determine the presence of ADE.). Her assertions need to be cross referenced and examined.
– she states that the study on pregnancy and infants that Pfizer has been ordered to conduct by the FDA is not to study the affect of injections on the recipient, but rather a study of how spike proteins shed by vaccine recipients affect pregnant women and infants. For me, THAT was a bombshell. I’d be curious whether others familiar with the language of the comirnaty approval letter concur with her reading of the scope of that study.That’s why my server is Linux…but it’s a pain when it occasionally crashes because I don’t already know how to fix it and it takes time to learn a new system from the ground up….(it doesn’t crash often, less than once per year)
“Since its founding last year by Dr. Simone Gold, a Los Angeles physician who was later arrested during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, America’s Frontline Doctors has nurtured medical conspiracies popular in right-wing circles. Created as a political project to support the Trump Administration’s economic reopening push, it ricocheted from promoting skepticism about COVID-19 to launching a national RV tour to denounce “medical censorship and cancel culture.”
Nice example of ad hominem attacks.
More interested in evidence of whether their protocols vis a vis Covid work or don’t work, harm or don’t cause harm. Don’t much care what the predominant lean of their politics are. When a few days ago Raul saw the start of a video of a doctor that seemed to say ivermectin didn’t work, ears here perked up, and the video was watched. Naw, the doctor was pointing out that if ivermectin is difficult to get and use, other drugs can be used to treat Covid effectively. Wasn’t adverse to ivermectin.
Granted, with a disease that is mild in so many, it is easy to say “the treatment worked!” The exact same can be said about a vaccine that only protects against severe disease — if a vaccinated person gets Covid and isn’t hospitalized it can be said that the vaccine worked. Hence, we need data, mounds and mounds of data. Hard to get good data when there is money to be made on perpetuating fear and getting rid of control groups.
Damn
“Very early, very early. We didn’t wait for results to come.” Dr. Lenny DacCostaOf course not. They knew ivermectin under typical dosing is very safe. So they used it early against Covid, because that is the logical thing for a clinician to do. Only the idiots in the west who can’t do squat without an authority giving the go ahead spout off inanities about not using a safe, proven drug that might work.
Re Tucker vid
Um, yeah. Tucker makes some good points, but the effect of his words is muted in this vid as the unmasked are EATING and everyone is OUTDOORS.Israel study also found that previously Covid infected AND vaccinated were less likely to get Covid again than unvaccinated Covid survivors. This will be used to support the narrative that all must be vaxxed.
Ivm could probably be frozen, in a pinch. Could also put it in a sealed container with some of those desiccant pouches that come in almost everything these and say “do not eat.” It is silica gel. (In a sealed space silica gel will chemically bind to water molecules. If it becomes chemically saturated, it can be put in a low oven until it releases the water.). That solves the humidity….
@ Robertmp
“ Our friend, age 35! Unvaxxed, got a medium case of COVID 6 weeks ago, recovered. Then she got COVID a second time last week, more severe. Doctor said very unusual , but she’s worried, may get shots.”
Yes, odd. I know that there is a lot of skepticism regarding PCR testing here…but in my personal lived experience PCR testing had no false positives…did the friend have a PCR test in the interim? It’s possible that the virus was not fully overcome. (My sister had that with chicken pox.). However, there is no data that suggests that in this individual’s case that any type of vaccination would improve future outcomes, and might make future outcomes worse.Anyone seen any efficacy of drugs that can help the folks injured by the vaccines who are now shaking and dizzy? My mom wants to know for her institutionalized sister.
Well, the painting is amazing. 🙂
And, there is a silver lining to this dreadfulness. I can tell my co-parent when the boys are 16 that I would let them get the comirnaty but not the Pfizer. And then vaccination won’t happen. Nice. Totally legal. And I can change my mind later.
On of my kids was exposed to someone with Covid yesterday. Now he is home from school, quarantined. Apparently, if he were vaccinated he wouldn’t require quarantine. Totally hilarious, since the vax doesn’t stop infection nor transmission.
@ John Day
Thx for response. Banana crossed my mind, but I’ve never seen them that size, and couldn’t tell if they had the splits in the leaves characteristic of banana. Good luck with those! I tried banana in Phoenix a couple of times without success. Sugar cane, however, I am growing, capers, too, of all things. 🙂 Lime harvest is on going.@ Chett, Eric Blair
I find that industry poisoning the planet and all it’s inhabitants is an issue that folks seem to be able to agree upon. Makes more sense to work towards something we can agree upon rather than wasting our breath arguing over the source and/or existence of climate change.@ absolute galore
I understand. My daughter told me last week that she is depressed, has suicidal thoughts, and wants therapy. She can only get therapy in Arizona if both parents agree or it is ordered by a judge. Yet another hill to climb.@ Dr D
Gah…I obviously didn’t read the articles as deeply as you. :/
I can substitute the people with darker skin color simply with BLM adherents, which the proud boys are not. Regardless, some redress is in order for the stealing, vandalism, and property destruction. The punishments common to our legal system don’t address the underlying issues. Shakespeare understood this in R&J. A more recent illustration is in West Side Story. Tit for tat tends to escalate the problem, the “prince” or policing notwithstanding.@ Eric Blair
I, too, have watched amazed at the vitriol unleashed against Greta Thunberg, a teen girl with Aspergers who decided to take a stand. Does she fully understand all of the ramifications? Or course not — a teen girl. Have her views been influenced by her family? Of course — a teen girl. Are her words and actions being suborned by large corporations, NGOs, and globalists to support their own agendas? Of course — that is what they do. Does Greta Thunberg fully comprehend how she is being used by these large organizations? Of course not — a teen girl.
Kudos for her — a teen girl — in standing up for her convictions.
Shame on the corporations, NGOs, globalists, etc., using her actions and words to further her own agenda.
Do either her words and actions or the words and actions of the global players in any way change or diminish our crumbling ecology?
No. But they serve the globalists well to distract us all. It is our Responsibility to not be distracted and to focus on reality — not the responsibility of a teen girl.McCullough and study preprint
251 times the viral load — but it appears all study participants were vaccinated, so it is a comparison of delta and prior to delta, not vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. And vaccine was astra Zeneca, so in casual conversation it could be pointed out that it may not be the same in US where mostly mRNA vaccines were used.~~~~~~~
Re the delta variant aka vaccine side effects
Indications are that there is a delta variant. Totally possible that delta is being used to shield us from seeing a class of vaccine reactions…such obfuscation is really easy when there are two huge variables (virus, vaccine,) about we still have such time limited data.
I’ve been informed of a second person at my church with long Covid. She is younger than I by a little…and has some mysterious illness that caused her to quit her job a few years ago. (I didn’t inquire as to the nature of the illness.). Still, it seems to indicate that long Covid may be associated with comorbidities. But, I can’t help but wonder whether or not these two women were vaccinated, and the vaccination date relative to the long Covid.
I have an aunt who is schizophrenic and institutionalized. They had been struggling the last few years to get her meds balanced. Basically, too much and she has hand tremors, too little she is paranoid and delusional. At the start of the year she was finally stable: little to no tremors, not paranoid, not delusional. In the spring she had her two Covid jabs. In the spring the tremors started back up again, worse than ever before. She cannot walk because she can’t keep her balance. I’ve asked my mother to get the dates of onset and vaccination from the institution, which she has not yet done. The institution believes that the new problems are because of problems with the medicine. I suspect that it is vaccine injury.
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@ John Day
Nice blog photo yesterday and very nice squash haul. 🙂
What are the large, tall, broad leaf plants in your squash patch? I’m not familiar with them.~~~~
The proud boys leader will be treated like a hero by his crew for enduring punishment that seems outsized to the crime (burning stolen cloth.) This “justice” will be used to recruit many more to their cause. A system of restorative justice would have a better chance at addressing the underlying problems. What is (likely) really going on is that the proud boys members have legitimate grievances that are being scape goated onto folks of differing skin color. The proud boys need to learn that the people with different skin color are not the underlying cause of their grievances, they need to see the individual humanity of those with different skin color so that they feel their common humanity — and that both groups are actually dealing with the same underlying problems.
Oh, oops. But then TPTB couldn’t use the proud boys and BLM folks to distract and divide the nation. Can’t have that! Best to just throw the proud boys leader in jail. And, better to have the proud boy guns pointed at darker skinned folks than at “the 1%.”
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@ absolute galore
Regarding your coparent having final say for medical decisions — I am SO sorry!
You can try to point out that although it has “approval” the clinical trials are not over, we don’t know long term effects, (Myo/pericarditis study not ending till 2025!).
Get him tested for antibodies & t-detect — not sure how your parenting agreement is worded, but mine (I have joint legal, none with final say) says that if other parents consent is unreasonably withheld for medical stuff I can go ahead and do it if I pay on my own. Now…I wouldn’t push it for something truly dangerous — but it is just blood tests! Even without final say you may be able to get those done over her objection. If he shows immunity, suggest that this makes vaccination more dangerous and/or irrelevant.
Argue that at age 16 he is not at risk — why not just wait two more years and let HIM make the decision and shoulder the consequences. (Or is he turning 12?)
Point out that if he becomes disabled that both of you, the parents, will be financially liable for his care for the rest of your lives. (Think: 12 year old girl paralyzed in Pfizer trial.). Point out that because of this vaccination is more than just a medical decision, it is a potential long-term financial burden that she is potentially imposing upon you. If he is turning 12, the vaccine does not have approval, and there will likely be no payout from the federal vaccine injury fund — and no recourse to sue Pfizer. Suggest that if she insist on vaccination that she agree to bear the sole financial responsibility for his needs once he is 18 should he be incapacitated by the vaccine.
You can likely file for mediation. Do it days before his birthday, to delay the vaccination.
If all of this fails, arrange it so that he is vaccinated in a time period where you can prophylax and follow up vaccination with ivermectin to (hopefully) blunt the ability of the damned spike protein to damage his body. Start giving him vitamins that look like ivermectin pills so you can substitute when the time comes, or stick it in his orange juice. (Try it yourself, find a way to mask the taste.)Good luck. I’m trying to plan for what to do when my boys turn 16 next year should the HS mandate vaccination…
Any news on prophylaxis for vaccine adverse reactions? Maybe ivermectin can bind to the trillions of spike proteins created and prevent the damage? If so, I’ve 9 months to get some.
Kiss goodbye all of the lawsuits fighting the mandates based on grounds that there was no FDA approval. I always knew that argument wasn’t going to stick.
Small sigh of relief that for the 12-15 crowd there is still only EUA. My boys turn 16 in May. If it gets mandated for high school next year I’m going to be stuck…my ex supports vaccination and we have joint legal decision making. I need the mainstream narrative to blow up in the next 9 months.
Denninger…
I will walk without fear into a Covid-19 ICU unit right now without any PPE on whatsoever…I will bet my life that I’m sterile immune to the virus as a result of said infection and recovery.
I do the same. After 7 months of fear, it is perpetually beautiful walk without it.
@ deflationista
Last year, I felt much as you. I did not want that lab created virus in my body. I wore an N95 mask inside two airports and a short flight…wearing it for so long made me feel a little strange, light-headed, it was with some desperation that I removed it when I stepped outside again. I did not want to worry what the outcome of contracting the virus would be. I was betrayed by my parents and my sister and exposed. Oh, how deeply that betrayal cut…all of my efforts to avoid the virus shredded by people I trusted. It still stings a bit. I learned that if I want to take such precautions I must have the hard conversations even with those I trust and love.
Then I was desperately trying to find a doctor to prescribe HCQ — I was terrified that my asthmatic mother would be hospitalized, a place dangerous to her without being alert because the smell of most hand-sanitizers causes her to begin anaphylaxis! My then 14 year old son made signs to post in her possible future hospital room, warning away the dreaded hand sanitizer. I lost my sense of smell and taste and wondered if it would ever return. I worried that I would yet again miss a medical appointment that had taken me forever to get scheduled because I was told that I couldn’t be seen until I’d had a negative PCR after the positive one.
But my mom used her inhaler and in a few days was fine. My partner’s intermittent fevers ceased after 9 days. My kids never got sick, never got positive PCR tests. My sense of smell and taste returned.
I now understand that most people survive Covid with no problems or complications. It’s ironic — deaths and long-term issues of the virus are being heralded and emphasized by the media while deaths and long-term issues of the vaccine are being buried. Shouldn’t information on both be available so that people in a democratic society are free to learn about what is going on and make wise, informed choices?
Once we had survived Covid I needed to understand the significance of that event. And now I understand that due to a veiled agenda Covid survival is being buried, discarded, discounted. If I lived in NYC I would be prevented from shopping. If I lived in Australia I would be under lockdown orders. If I lived in the UK or Europe I would be getting endless, superfluous Covid tests to perpetually prove to authorities that I am not infected. My choir-member friends are afraid to meet me face to face, afraid of what might happen if I caught Covid from their vaccinated self! I have sung masked, amidst a sea of unmasked and vaccinated individuals, while I am the only person in the room with durable immunity.
This is madness.
In the current environment, an “unvaccinated” person could be prosecuted for “depraved heart murder” for simply going about their usual business.
A naturally immune unvaccinated person could be prosecuted for this…because the state does not recognize that form of immunity, nor the results of antibody tests, etc., to indicate immunity.
In the Australian news video, the infected guy leaving his apartment could be so prosecuted.
Scary times.“Given the ease with which people can find misinformation and faulty pseudoscientific “evidence” that supports their initial bias against the COVID-19 vaccine”
Erm, no, that is gas-lighting.
My “initial bias” came from the fact that Covid swept threw my household, my parents, and my sister’s household and we all came out on the other side just fine and presumably with natural immunity. The sum total of my education and life experience informed me that natural immunity is real, usually better than vaccine immunity, and that if you are naturally immune vaccination is redundant.
The mainstream narrative has attempted to sway me with platitudes backed with no data or data that is inconclusive (I.e. antibody levels raise when naturally immune are injected…with no evidence that this increase is necessary or advised.)
And now Salon tries to gas-light me into believing my convictions are due to anti-vax narratives online? Yeah, my ex was unsuccessful in his gas-lighting campaign against me lasting over a decade…fat chance Salon’s attempt will work. 😛
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Regarding video from Polder Dweller, I think that woman is onto something. While the pandemic framers are not bothered by human death, I have never believed that population reduction was the main purpose of the pandemic. Why? Covid isn’t deadly enough. And, quite frankly, the vaccine causes too many immediate deaths and injuries for it to be completely effective. The best way to reduce the population is to do it in a fashion where no one figures out the actual purpose. For that to be the case, the disease needs be mild, but over-hyped to create fear, no early or effective pharmaceutical treatments, and the vaccination program works best if there are very few adverse reactions. Then, as time goes on, the vaccinations continue periodically, and can be attenuated for sterility, or for genocide of the old or weak or disabled. Or, it could also simply be ADE and only those you want to have live keep getting the injections to stave off ADE, etc.
So, the idea that this pandemic and mass vaccination program is just a way to herd us into submitting into a technocracy, at which point it would be relatively simple to reduce population…THAT makes sense from all of the data available. Why else are we being corralled into taking a vaccine with minimal efficacy and high adverse events?
Re Denninger
His rants tend to be cogent and logical, directly relating to evidence from public statistics or from medical studies or medical experts. Secondarily, Denninger’s rants are fun to read. The equivalent of kale or Brussels sprout leaves flash fried in oil with salt sprinkled on top. Yum.@ D Benton Smith
I enjoyed your comment about the WEF and checks and balances.
It makes a fair amount of sense — in 1776 the folks who signed the US Declaration of Independence and later formed the Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution were very, very wary of power becoming entrenched.
Obviously, their concerns were valid.
We could, from the “American Experiment” surmise that representative democracy is a total failure. But, perhaps it is not helpful to “throw the baby out with the bath water.”
What if we haven’t gone far enough?
For some areas, and in hyper-local areas, we have the technology to travel, to cast votes, to count votes (double-count, triple check, etc.) that makes direct democracy much, much more viable than it ever could be in 1776. We can experiment with some more direct forms of democracy — such as city budgeting that is more directly democratic. (There is a term for this that escapes me for the moment — I’ll probably remember it in hours or days.)
As economist Richard Wolff likes to point out, the vast majority of our enterprises are not run in any sort of democratic fashion. We could experiment with more democratically run enterprises (ESOPs, employee-managed, and true workers’ cooperatives,) and see if this results in enterprises that are more beneficial to the community than our current system of corporations.
We could revisit the principles in the Federalist Papers — apparently, the Articles of Confederation were a flop because the federal government was too weak. The Constitution definitely fixed that. Perhaps subsequent laws have taken us too far in the opposite direction? We now seem to have a centralized federal government that is way too powerful, way too instrusive.
And these principles can be expanded out into the realm of international law. We have sovereign nations, treaties, the UN, NATO, and so forth, and multinational corporations that are enmeshed with sovereign governments, corporate GDPs that rival the GDPs of many nations. I don’t want any sort of supra-national government…but the current system seems to be completely corrupted by the enormous corporate power. Yes, we need checks and balances. That is a good place to go.
Hrm. Edited a comment because the link didn’t show up…and the comment appears to have disappeared into no man’s land. If it reappears later, and this is a duplicate, my apologies.
I had to know which was more dangerous for children, the covid vaccine or the covid disease:
Which is more dangerous for kids, the covid disease or the Pfizer vaccine?
I needed to know.CitizenX
“I have sadly realized over the years that the majority of people around me are completely and totally ignorant about U.S. Domestic policies, Foreign Policies, Economic Policies and their own nations History- most don’t even know about the propagandized history white washed victors style, let alone Zinns Peoples History… Stone even put it on video for them.”What gets me is…my liberal congregation *did* discuss just those sorts of things…but have become completely snowed anyhow. Fear blinds people.
@ John Day
Three days ago you asked me:
“@Phoenix Voice: When does social distancing become ostracizing?”
The kids went back to their dad’s yesterday and now I’ve more time to think. 😉“become ostracizing” encompasses two things
(1) the ostracizing action taken by one group that excludes another
(2) the feeling of ostracization by the individual(s)/group being excluded“Social distancing” encompasses keeping one’s physical distance from all who are not in one’s own household. At first, it feels awkward because although our different familial and cultural backgrounds and intuitive sense defines the details and distance that we naturally keep (or don’t keep) from others, “social distancing” is a “new” concept that is laid on top of all of the ones that we have developed, that is expected to supercede our old ways of interacting. It is, generally, more distanced than any of us were prior to its introduction. Social distancing is relatively benign with both/all parties agree to it, agree to the reasons why, etc. When social needs fail to be met, when these social agreements breakdown…that is when social distancing starts devolving into ostracization.
Social distancing becomes ostracization for the person shunned when that individual’s needs for human interaction, physical closeness, etc., are hampered by social distancing. The person shunned feels a loss that can’t be filled. I am reminded of the story Reiner Fuellmich told in a recent video I watched of the man who approached the scared, masked elderly woman in a bank, hugged her, she cried, and admitted no one had hugged her for a year. Or, myself, who always enjoyed the opportunity after church service to mingle and chat with people — sometimes those conversation delved into “deep topics” — but without meeting in person, that interaction never happened, and it evolved into an ache of longing.
Social distancing becomes the act of ostracization when overtures are made to end the distance, and one party refuses. With my choir group, we have essentially all been avoiding meeting since March 2020 — but when I “dropped the bomb” and suggested that we meet because we know so much more about the virus, and there is no need to continue to act out of fear…it was shot down, and my bid to return to “normal” was rejected…that feels the same as being ostracized.
Ah, Denninger. I enjoy his rants,mthey are intelligently done, however, in this case:
“ If you have had Chicken Pox (I have) you’d look at anyone telling you to take a chicken pox shot as if they had six heads because such a suggestion is flat-out bat****-crazy-level insanity”…he chose the wrong vaccine to say this about. Chicken Pox immunity is an odd one, where instead of rooting out the virus it goes to sleep in the nerves, and can waken if the immune system forgets to be vigilant. Re-exposure to the varicella virus, either to those with active infections (chicken pox or shingles) or booster vaccination can help keep the immune response high. As someone who has had shingles flare-ups twice in the past 25 years (had chicken pox at age 5) that were fortunately caught and checked quickly, I offered to come hang out with my nieces and nephews the next time one of them comes down with chicken pox….
