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Edouard Manet A Bar at the Folies-Bergère 1882

 

Something curious happened during the Trump love fest at the G7 over the weekend. And I don’t think many people would have got it. In fact the entire western press, far as I could see, were blaming Trump for the dissolution of the treaties and whatall that the political class had worked so hard on for 50+ years.

But when you look at the whole thing from an energy level, Trump obviously won hands down. Merkel, Macron and Trudeau had no idea what to do with such a disruptive figure -though it could hardly have been a surprise to them- and so they sort of cowered back into a defensive posture as a group, saying Trump shouldn’t rock their boat. But that’s what he came there to do.

Now, these are all people who count as leaders in their own territories. They’ve won elections, they’re presidents and prime ministers. Not the kind of folk who like to see their authority questioned. But at the G7 they feel forced to move as a group. Which is not their thing, they’re very much individuals. That’s how they won their positions.

Still, the only way they see as viable to counter Trump is as a group. Big Mistake. That’s not their natural environment. Now they’re out of their comfort zone, and Trump is still very much in his. Even more so as they’re ganging up on him.

 

At this point, it no longer matters what he says or does. Or what they do. It’s all against one. And he’s already won. But they don’t know that game. They’re used to being the one, not the all. They’re doomed to lose this, because it’s Trump’s game, not theirs.

Trump wants tariffs, they do not, but at this point, it’s hardly relevant anymore. It’s a power game, pure and simply, they’ve all played it to get where they are, but by retreating into their group hug positions -they don’t know where else to go-, they’ve already lost this one.

This is not my endorsement of Trump, I’ve said enough times by now that he is a poor choice for president of the US, but nobody managed to come up with a better one. No, this is about how the mechanics work in -international- politics, and about how anyone who is not Trump seems to come up a mile and a half short when it comes to showing your true colors.

All these dynamics, all of it, were already obvious just from a bunch of headlines in the western press, even if the content of their articles were heavily leaning towards blaming Trump for whatever didn’t work at the G7. The objective news cycle about Trump was replaced long ago with an echo chamber. And those things deafen their own proprietors.

But let’s leave that alone as well for a moment. Though I still despise the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC for making it impossible for me to criticize Trump, because they monopolized that field with fake and made-up so-called news. Jim Kunstler actually thanked me for saying that. He feels the same way, and I’m sure many others do.

 

But then, after I had already contemplated all of this, the German government released a photo that I guess they wanted to present as Angela Merkel looking strong vs Donald Trump. Boy, did they misfire. Germans, I would think, would know some math, and some art history. But look:

 


Jesco Denzel/AFP/Getty Images

 

That, and I saw it in 0.1 seconds, is classic Fibonacci. This is where fractals come from. I don’t know how much of this requires explaining but let’s do a minmum. A Fibonacci sequence is when every number after the first two is the sum of the two preceding ones. So 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377 etc. So you get this:

 

 

And then:

 

 

Most people who saw the Merkel/Trump et al photo above as a ‘classic’ picture (and many did), though, didn’t recognize the Fibonacci. They saw Merkel dominating Trump. But who’s the center of attention in that picture? Not Merkel, says Fibonacci. This is what Fibonacci looks like. Lay that over the photo:

 

 

It doesn’t get more classic. Fibonacci was an Italian born in the 12th century. And yet the Berlin government insisted on releasing the photo as some kind of statement that Merkel was giving Donald Trump a hard time. But the photo says the opposite (if you look close, you see he’s not even looking at Merkel, but at Macron).

I’m not saying that’s necessarily or particularly bad or not, but a lot of voters in many countries have expressed their concern with business as usual, in Washington, Brussels, Rome etc.. That’s why we have Trump and Brexit and 5-Stars.

What the G7 showed more than anything is that things can’t go on the way the establishment planned it. Blaming it all on Trump, as the G6 and their media try to do, is not going to work anymore, and besides now there’s Kim-Jong-un coming up, a potentially huge victory for Trump.

But then, there’s always religion to provide comfort:

 

 

 

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  • #41103

    Edourd Manet A Bar at the Folies-Bergère 1882   Something curious happened during the Trump love fest at the G7 over the weekend. And I don’t thi
    [See the full post at: When Trump Met Fibonacci. And Won.]

    #41106

    VietnamVet
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    Yes. Thanks. The impact of the G7 picture is Donald Trump at the center and his dominance and the decreasing power circling the table and then fading out to the left. The British PM is a washed-out patch of gray hair.

    He is the only oligarch there. The rest are incompetent credentialed servants of global plutocrats except perhaps for the invisible new Italian PM. Like the last supper, this picture marks the beginning of the end of an old world. A civil war has broken out between Western globalists and democratic elected nationalists. This will not turn out well. The Atlantic Alliance is dead. There will be no resurrection.

    #41108

    zerosum
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    Look who is in the picture with the big shots.

    He sold his soul to the devil.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/08/trumps-top-economic-adviser-was-against-tariffs-for-years-then-he-joined-the-trump-white-house/?utm_term=.036d257c583c

    Trump’s top economic adviser was against tariffs for years. Then he joined the Trump White House.

    When Larry Kudlow signed off for the final time from CNBC’s “The Kudlow Report” on March 28, 2014, he left viewers with the same mantra he had repeated for years.

    “Free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity,” Kudlow said.

    Now, four years later, Kudlow is helping sell President Trump’s “unprecedented” tariffs, going so far on Wednesday as to call Trump “the strongest trade reformer of the past 20 years.”
    Just three months prior, Kudlow was calling tariffs tax hikes, prosperity killers and the cause of the Great Depression. And 13 days before becoming director of the White House’s National Economic Council, Kudlow said Trump “has never been good on trade.”
    You can watch lots of examples of Kudlow’s about-face in the video above.

    Kudlow’s former colleagues also seem baffled by his transformation. In April, CNBC’s Jim Cramer asked how Kudlow’s views were meshing with Trump’s “nationalist” views, and CNN’s Erin Burnett asked whether Kudlow had “confidence” that Trump would “do the right thing” on tariffs.
    And two months ago, Fox Business Network’s Stuart Varney, citing Kudlow’s penchant for free trade, asked whether he was “comfortable” in the Trump White House.
    “I am,” Kudlow replied.

    #41109

    Nassim
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    Brilliant. Thank you.

    As VietnamVet pointed out, he is the only one with his own wealth and financial power-base. The others are mere lapdogs of others.

    #41111

    John Day
    Participant

    The origin of the Fibonacci spiral is the dark blue empty spot, which happens to be the crotch of that guy behind Bolton. Who is the guy behind Bolton? What is in his trousers? Classic crypto-photo-composition to be sure. Somebody, somewhere is laughing 🙂

    #41113

    John Day
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    The mystery man with the Fibonacci origin in his pelvic chakra turns out to be Kazuyuki Yamazaki, Japanese senior Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44426442

    #41114

    V. Arnold
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    Ilargi
    It took me a bit and I really like your POV. Unique. I agree.
    I’m still trying to understand Fibonacci.

    #41115

    zerosum
    Participant

    Relationship to Fibonacci sequence and Golden ratio
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

    #41116

    palloy
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    Er, what?! What has a Fibonacci series got to do with a photograph? The photo shows lots of people looking aggressively at … Trump, who looks quite unconcerned. Should he be unconcerned about the G6 talking openly about excluding him? – Yes, I think he should, they are his only allies! They want action on Climate Change, and the stupid sanctions against Russia, and the stupid sanctions on Iran, and the stupid hostile attitude towards China and North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Afghanisan, Libya, Yemen, etc. The world is shaping up into two blocs, headed by US and China-Russia, and they will soon have to decide whether they leave the US bloc and join the China bloc. If they do so, the US Empire will have collapsed. And the Emperor will have lost the lot because of his hubris. History will record this man as a colossally stupid egomaniac.

    Incidentally, the Fibonacci series doesn’t start at 0, because you can work backwards from there to get a series of negative numbers going to -∞ that still conform to the defining relationship: Fib(n) = Fib(n-1) + Fib(n-2)

    #41119

    Nassim
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    #41124

    V. Arnold
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    Well, between zerosum and palloy, I finally got it.

    #41127

    V. Arnold et al,

    Where I think Fibonacci becomes real interesting is in connection with fractals and Mandelbrot sets. Because then you realize you’re looking at nature itself. These are not just artificial numbers.

    fibonacci shell

    This course is not bad at first sight: https://fractalfoundation.org/OFC/OFC-11-1.html

    #41132

    Dr. D
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    I thought the same thing for a different photo. The media was a-twitter (or a twit) for a reprise of the big-dick-handshake-contest DJT played a bit last time. The photo was of the imprint of Macron’s thumb still visible on Trump’s hand a minute later. Looks like he sure lost that one, right?

    Wrong. Like Raul, I had the impression if they’re going to childishly play this game…his game…then they already lost. You have to understand these are power people, it’s the only thing they think about, care about, or act about. So…who’s in charge? Who captures the focus? Who sets the rules? Who decides the agendas and what games we play? And it doesn’t matter who REALLY has the power, because in reality either the people or the Army always has the real power; from narcissistic sociopath’s view, it’s all about whose court you bow in. Do you go see Don Corleone, or do you ignore him? That’s the alpha and omega of power with narcissists: who’s getting the attention is the important person, they are the one in control.

    Playing this game means they already lost, but are so stupid, they don’t realize THEY are the ones giving Trump all his power. The media 24/7 TrumpTrumpTrump!!! What’s the meta on that message? TRUMP is the one who’s important, TRUMP has the power…which he doesn’t. He probably doesn’t control 20% of the executive yet. But by doing this, they’re making all the other important people, businessmen, agents, diplomats, got to Trump’s court and treat him like the king. Aye caramba! Stimpy, you eeediot! But they can’t help it. It’s not Trump’s ego that’s running things…it’s THEIRS. In fact, THEY have the power, not him, but being the trust-fund brats they are, being defied for the first time in their life so unhinges them, it’s so unfamiliar when they’ve robbed, cheated and murdered their way to the top, never had to act on real merit, that they don’t know what to do when actual gamesmanship, tactic, and merit is called for. …Basically, he’s running them around on their ego, the ego of a narcissist sociopath, which believes — MUST believe — that THEY are smarter, and everybody else is an idiotic fool, bumbling before their greatness. That’s what makes it a mental illness, that like a psychosis, they’ve live completely disconnected with reality that we ALL have strengths and weaknesses, people above and below us.

    Is that not what we read in the paper 12x a day? That Trump is an idiot, and got a billion dollar empire in one of the world’s premier shark tanks, knocked off 15 candidates, and destroyed one or possibly two political parties, and possibly the mainstream media because he’s “just lucky”, but really he has the IQ of a fruitcake and watches Sharks on the Discovery Channel all day? Yup. And so long as they think he’s an idiot…and he keeps feeding them all the idiotic misdirected nonsense, misspelling “Cofefe,” that keeps them in a useless lather…they never take the game seriously. ‘Cause he’s an idiot, right? How hard can it be? Like Macron, who went home last time crowing how Trump does whatever he says…just before he didn’t. At all.

    Seriously Emmanuel, does Trump LOOK like a guy who follows orders and does what he’s told? Perhaps this rebellious personality trait has come up in the papers before? Nope. He went home and said “Trump’s in my pocket, ’cause I’m awesome sauce.” 100 times in a row. You’d think when Trump has run the same pass play from pre-season to the payoffs, one of these other geniuses might catch on, but you’d be wrong. He MAY have another trick in the bag, but we’ll never find out because so far they’ve fallen for the SAME. DARN. TRICK. for 2 1/2 years in a row. ONE trick. And HE’S the dumb one. OMFG.

    He’s going to lose the empire? That’s the whole POINT of Trump, and the (Marine) Generals that put him into office. They know the attempt at world domination by what St. Reagan called “The Crazies in the Basement” has failed and the U.S. will collapse if it pushes further on this front. It arguably already collapsed, but they won’t report it. Therefore, the America First wing is attempting the best fallback to the borders as a pariah state, salvaging what they can. And that’s over the dead bodies of the Neocons, the Clintonista’s, the Bush cartel, and the empire maniacs like Soros and Brennan. That’s why they have a bankruptcy/restructuring expert in office.

    The POINT is to lose the empire. It always was. No one in the U.S. wants an empire or ever wanted one, not among the people anyway, that’s why they had to lie, lie, lie about it every day the hidden state was pushing for it, and come up with ever less plausible reasons for it. The people, the businessmen, the soldiers would never tolerate it. Maybe that’s why they can’t understand his plan, because to them, the plan must always be MORE power, MORE money, MORE dictatorship, where a return to the Constitution–should we ever get one–will reduce the size and power of government so substantially as to make empires, dictators, fascism — indeed any repression of the people — impossible.

    Please for the love of people all over the world lose the Empire as soon as technically possible. The lives of more innocent millions will be saved. And you want Trump to KEEP the empire, and will be mad when he DOESN’T bomb and control the rest of the world? I don’t care if it’s accidental or on purpose. The faster he “loses” the happier I’ll be.

    #41133

    Wxtwxtr
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    I didn’t see the Fibonacci in there until the 2nd ZH pic (comment 8:21link), but I immediately saw the red spiral drawn wrong.

    #41134

    olo530
    Participant

    Fibonacci is just a handy approximation for a golden ratio. And there is nothing magic about the bottom right quadrant. Here is an overlay of 4 golden ratio sections.

    #41135

    olo530
    Participant

    Here is the actual image

    #41138

    palloy
    Participant

    But none of this metaphorical Fibonacci/fractal/Mandelbrot stuff has anything to do with G7 power politics. Can we start again, please, and just use plain English that can only be understood in one way? Why would the hidden state, and/or Trump, want the Empire to crash itself, when they are the primary beneficiaries of the Empire? I can understand why WE would want it to crash itself, but why would the people who benefit the most from it already?

    #41150

    olo530
    Participant

    palloy, in my view, it’s a conflict within the elite. Part of it benefits from unrestricted global trade and free flow of capital. Another part benefits from protectionism. Until recently they could coexist, but once further globalization, and the associated economy of scale, is impossible the first group found itself spread too thin and open for an attack from the second group. The first group still controls most politicians and bureaucrats, but the second group managed to get Trump elected as a president.
    By the way, WE don’t benefit from any of it. WE are a liability. Ideally, the elite would like to give us rifles and send into a trench warfare, letting the problem sort itself out.

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