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Pablo Picasso Woman with blue collar (Portrait d’Inez) 1941

 

Christopher Steele Gave Evidence To UK Intrusion Inquiry (G.)
Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won’t Testify (ZH)
Former CIA Heads Praise Deep State, Admit They Want to ‘Take Out’ Trump (SN)
A Partisan Impeachment Vote Is Exactly What The Framers Feared (Dershowitz)
Horse-Trading Is Not An Impeachable Offense (HE)
In Defense of Tulsi Gabbard (Sjursen)
Trevor Noah Asks Hillary: “How Did You Kill Jeffrey Epstein?” (ZH)
Halloween is Over and the Jig is Up (Kunstler)
Greek Refugee Camps ‘On Edge Of Catastrophe’ – EU Watchdog (BBC)
28,000 American Airlines Flight Attendants Refuse To Work On 737 Max (ZH)
Apple Introduces Gender-Neutral Versions Of Nearly Every Human Emoji (RT)

 

 

A fine piece of garbage co-authored by the least trustworthy man in UK media, Luke Harding, notorious for multiple fact-free Assange smear pieces. And really, Steele hasn’t been discredited enough?

Christopher Steele Gave Evidence To UK Intrusion Inquiry (G.)

A report on Russian interference in British politics allegedly being sat on by Downing Street includes evidence from Christopher Steele, the former head of MI6’s Russia desk whose investigation into Donald Trump’s links with Moscow sparked a US political scandal. Steele made submissions in writing to parliament’s intelligence and security committee (ISC), it is understood. [..] In April the US special counsel Robert Mueller corroborated Steele’s central claim that the Russians ran a “sweeping and systematic” operation in 2016 to help Trump win.


[..] on Thursday, Dominic Grieve, the MP who chairs the committee, accused Boris Johnson of sitting on the report – potentially preventing its publication before the general election. [..] Two sources told BuzzFeed that British intelligence found no evidence of Russian meddling in either the 2016 referendum vote or the 2017 general election. However, Steele’s involvement in the committee’s unpublished dossier raises the stakes considerably. [..] Experts who gave evidence were informed on Wednesday evening that the report was due to be published imminently. The decision to stop it from coming out is being seen inside Whitehall as unusual.

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Completely, completely nuts. They appear to have nothing, and try to drag that nothing out until the 2020 elections. This faultily labeled ‘whistleblower’ worked for Obama, Biden and Brennan, and was heavily coached by Schiff. And they STILL are afraid to use him. But Trump is the one under investigation?

If Trump did anything truly impeachable, and not merely “made up because you want to get rid of him”, by all means, impeach him. But in a regular way, one that includes Republicans. I can see now why Trump talks about impeaching Adam Schiff. Do the CNN, NYT and WaPo audience realize how damaging this whole affair is to their country?

Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won’t Testify (ZH)

A CIA officer who filed a second-hand whistleblower complaint against President Trump has gotten cold feet about testifying after revelations emerged that he worked with Joe Biden, former CIA Director John Brennan, and a DNC operative who sought dirt on President Trump from officials in Ukraine’s former government. According to the Washington Examiner, discussions with the whistleblower – revealed by RealClearInvestigations as 33-year-old Eric Ciaramella have been halted, “and there is no discussion of testimony from a second whistleblower, who supported the first’s claims.” Ciaramella complained that President Trump abused his office when he asked Ukraine to investigate corruption allegations against Joe Biden and his son Hunter, as well as claims related to pro-Clinton election interference and DNC hacking in 2016.

On Thursday, a top National Security Council official who was present on a July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky testified that he saw nothing illegal about the conversation. “I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed,” said Tim Morrison, former NSC Senior Director for European Affairs who was on the July 25 call between the two leaders. “There is no indication that either of the original whistleblowers will be called to testify or appear before the Senate or House Intelligence committees. There is no further discussion ongoing between the legal team and the committees,” said the Examiner’s source.

“The whistleblower is a career CIA officer with expertise in Ukraine policy who served on the White House National Security Council during the Obama administration, when 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was “point man” for Ukraine, and during the early months of the Trump administration.” -Washington Examiner In other words, House Democrats are about to impeach President Trump over a second-hand whistleblower complaint by a partisan CIA officer, and neither he nor his source will actually testify about it (for now…).

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No, you can NOT make this up: “This is the institution within the U.S. government — that with all of its flaws, and it makes mistakes — is institutionally committed to objectivity and telling the truth,” McLaughlin claimed.

The CIA is committed to telling the truth… You heard it here first.

Former CIA Heads Praise Deep State, Admit They Want to ‘Take Out’ Trump (SN)

Two former intelligence heads bragged about how the deep state is engaged in a coup to remove President Trump Thursday, with one even praising God for the existence of the deep state. During an interview with Margaret Brennan of CSPAN, former CIA head John McLaughlin along with his successor John Brennan both basically admitted that there is a secretive cabal of people within US intelligence who are trying to ‘take Trump out’. “Thank God for the ‘Deep State,’” McLaughlin crowed as liberals in the crowd cheered. “I mean I think everyone has seen this progression of diplomats and intelligence officers and White House people trooping up to Capitol Hill right now and saying these are people who are doing their duty or responding to a higher call.” he added.


“This is the institution within the U.S. government — that with all of its flaws, and it makes mistakes — is institutionally committed to objectivity and telling the truth,” McLaughlin claimed. “It is one of the few institutions in Washington that is not in a chain of command that makes or implements policy. Its whole job is to speak the truth — it’s engraved in marble in the lobby.” he continued to blather. Brennan also expressed praise for the deep state and admitted that the goal is to remove the President. “Thank goodness for the women and men who are in the intelligence community and the law enforcement community who are standing up and carrying out their responsibilities for their fellow citizens.” he said.

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Derhowitz has been heavily tainted by the Epstein saga, but he does make sense here. The Founding Fathers knew the risk involved in impeachment proceedings.

A Partisan Impeachment Vote Is Exactly What The Framers Feared (Dershowitz)

The House vote to establish procedures for a possible impeachment of President Trump, along party lines with two Democrats opposing and no Republicans favoring, was exactly was Alexander Hamilton feared in discussing the impeachment provisions laid out in the Constitution. Hamilton warned of the “greatest danger” that the decision to move forward with impeachment will “be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties than the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.” He worried that the tools of impeachment would be wielded by the “most cunning or most numerous factions” and lack the “requisite neutrality toward those whose conduct would be the subject of scrutiny.” It is almost as if this founding father were looking down at the House vote from heaven and describing what transpired this week.

Impeachment is an extraordinary tool to be used only when the constitutional criteria are met. These criteria are limited and include only “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” Hamilton described these as being “of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.” His use of the term “political” has been widely misunderstood in history. It does not mean that the process of impeachment and removal should be political in the partisan sense. Hamilton distinctly distinguished between the nature of the constitutional crimes, denoting them as political, while insisting that the process for impeachment and removal must remain scrupulously neutral and nonpartisan among members of Congress.

Thus, no impeachment should ever move forward without bipartisan support. That is a tall order in our age of hyperpartisan politics in which party loyalty leaves little room for neutrality. Proponents of the House vote argue it is only about procedures and not about innocence or guilt, and that further investigation may well persuade some Republicans to place principle over party and to vote for impeachment, or some Democrats to vote against impeachment. While that is entirely possible, the House vote would seem to make such nonpartisan neutrality extremely unlikely. It is far more likely that, no matter how extensive the investigation is and regardless of what it uncovers, nearly all House Democrats will vote for impeachment and nearly all House Republicans will vote against it. Such a partisan vote would deny constitutional legitimacy to impeachment.

[..] the partisanship strongly suggests that what Hamilton regarded as the greatest danger may be on the horizon, namely a vote to impeach a duly elected president based not on “real demonstrations of innocence or guilt” but rather on “comparative strength of parties.”

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Good find from Tyler. Go back to the Blagojevich case and take it from there. “[A] proposal to trade one public act for another, a form of logrolling, is fundamentally unlike the swap of an official act for a private payment.”

Horse-Trading Is Not An Impeachable Offense (HE)

Horse trading is the oxygen of politics; it is how politicians are persuaded to care about things that otherwise would not make their radar. Not only does it happen all the time, but it is a core feature of our political system; representative government relies on this kind of political trading to ensure a plurality of interests and needs are satisfied. Members of Congress routinely trade “policy for policy.” You sponsor my bill, and I’ll sponsor yours, you vote for a road in my district, and vice versa. Members even trade policy for personnel and hiring purposes: you support my bill, and I’ll let so-and-so’s hearing move forward, you appoint me to this, and I’ll recommend your protege for that.

These deals can even cross the blood/brain barrier between states and the federal government. It is not corruption. It’s the warp and woof of a democratic political system. But in routinely branding President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine as potential “corruption,” and pointing to the exchange of unrelated asks as proof of that corruption, our friends in the fourth estate are acting in willful ignorance and bad faith. The President has taken a firm position that he did not hold out foreign aid to Ukraine as a condition for investigating Hunter Biden’s activities there. But, even if he did, bargaining isn’t corruption—it’s policymaking.

An esteemed panel of federal judges in Chicago made precisely this point a few years ago. You may recall the prosecution of former-Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich on various federal charges. And although the judges largely upheld his conviction, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit commentary on the affair was crystal clear. At least one of the counts that the trial judge had sent to the jury was just politics, pure and simple, and could not have been a crime. “[A] proposal to trade one public act for another, a form of logrolling, is fundamentally unlike the swap of an official act for a private payment.” In other words, swapping one policy for another is a political commonplace. “Governance would hardly be possible without these accommodations,” the court went on to observe.

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View from the military. Hillary has opened the door for any and all of them to be accused of working for Putin.

In Defense of Tulsi Gabbard (Sjursen)

“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.” – Arundhati Roy

Once again, Arundhati Roy – the esteemed Indian author and activist – more eloquently described what I’m feeling than I could ever hope to. After tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, a lifetime in the Army and burying several brave young men for no good reason, I couldn’t remain silent one moment longer. Certainly not about the madness of America’s failed forever wars, nor about domestic militarization of the police and the border, nor about the structural racism borne of our nation’s “original sin.” Still, most of my writing and public dissent has stayed within the bounds of my limited expertise: the disease of endless, unwinnable and often unsanctioned American wars.

At times it’s been a decidedly lonely journey, particularly in the many years I remained on active duty while actively dissenting. I was, and remain, struck by how few of my fellow soldiers, officers and recent post-9/11 veterans felt as I did—strongly enough, at least, to publicly decry U.S. militarism. Then I discovered Tulsi Gabbard, an obscure young congresswoman from Hawaii who, coincidentally, serves in the Army and is herself a veteran of the war in Iraq. In the current climate of Gabbard-bashing, where even sites like Truthdig offer measured criticism, it’s hard to convey the profound sense of relief I felt that someone as outspokenly anti-war as Gabbard even existed way back in 2016. She said things I only dared think back then; and as I did, she backed Bernie Sanders—a risky endeavor that likely doomed her to the recent slanderous accusations of treason by Hillary Clinton. That’s called courage.

Perhaps the appropriate place to begin my qualified defense of Gabbard is with Clinton’s outrageous—and unsubstantiated—assertion that the long-shot 2020 presidential candidate is being “groomed” by the Russians to run a third-party spoiler campaign in the general election. First off, Gabbard should seriously consider suing for libel. Clinton has veritably, and without a shred of evidence, accused her of treason, a crime that, due to Gabbard’s continued military service, is punishable by death. This is no small matter.

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I wasn’t going to include this, thought it’s a nice thing for Tyler to run with and that’s it. But I am still hurt and surprised by the total demise of American late night TV. Saw Noah the other day on Seinfeld’s Comedians with Coffee series, and he seemed like an okay guy. But they are all caught in the Jeff Zucker/NYT et al thing, of How Do You Make Money?: By Dumping On Orange Man Bad. It’s a scam for dollars. And Noah gets paid off of that.

But I used to like Letterman and Jon Stewart, and I don’t like that being taken away from me for scraps off the table. All the media made the same calculation: sure, we’ll lose half the audience, but the one half we get to keep, they’ll be fully addicted to us as long as we dump on Trump. Because Trump Sells Better Than Sex.

Trevor Noah Asks Hillary: “How Did You Kill Jeffrey Epstein?” (ZH)

In what was oh-so-transparently aimed a debunking a so-called “right-wing-conspiracy,” Daily Show host Trevor Noah jokingly asked, during an interview with Hillary and Chelsea Clinton on Thursday, “How did you kill Jeffery Epstein?” “I have to ask you a question that has been plaguing me for a while: How did you kill Jeffrey Epstein?” asked Noah to laughter from the New York studio audience. “Because you’re not in power, but you have all the power. I really need to understand how you do what you do, because you seem to be behind everything nefarious, and yet you do not use it to become president.” “Honestly, what does it feel like being the boogeyman to the right?” the host asked.


Clinton responded by saying it was a “constant surprise.” “Well, it’s a constant surprise to me,” she said. “Because the things they say, and now, of course, it’s on steroids with being online, are so ridiculous, beyond any imagination that I could have. And yet they are so persistent in putting forth these crazy ideas and theories. Honestly, I don’t know what I ever did to get them so upset.” Of course, it would not be Hillary Clinton if she did not take a jab at President Trump proclaiming that, “I don’t think his real philosophy is America First, I think it’s Trump First… [Trump]…clearly does Putin’s bidding…” Forward to around 6:09 for Noah’s Epstein question…

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Jim has a lot of faith in Bill Barr. I am a bit more reserved on that one.

Halloween is Over and the Jig is Up (Kunstler)

And so Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff take the Republic into a dangerous defile on a dark day as they engineer a House resolution with rules for a medieval-style inquiry on the existence of phantoms. The phantom du jour, of course, is the fabled “whistleblower,” a CIA ectoplasm identified by everybody and his uncle in Swampland as one Eric Ciarmarella, 33, a former Joe Biden staffer, Obama White House low-level NSC holdover, and John Brennan “asset” deeply involved in Ukrainian pranks during the 2016 election and subsequent disinformation leakage to the media since the early days of the Trump administration.

The “whistleblower’s” trail winds through every shadowy turn of RussiaGate to the current phantasmagoria of UkraineGate, and connects the principal misdeeds carried out along the way including Hillary Clinton’s devious operations with Fusion GPS, the Comey-led FBI’s illegal entanglement with CIA spying on US citizens (including occupants of the White House), and lately the mendacious maneuvers of House Intel Committee chair Mr. Schiff. The notion that Mr. Ciamarella’s identity will remain officially hidden much longer is a joke, since his “complaint” lies at the center of the impeachment process underway, and sooner or later he will be compelled to make public testimony — unless Ms. Pelosi’s House majority votes to rename the USA the Haunted Forest of North America.

And when this unmasked phantom finally faces legitimate cross examination his mischief will be plain for all to see. Do you also suppose that Mr. Ciamarella’s revealed adventures in perfidy have not been noticed by the attorney general, Mr. Barr, and his deputy John Durham? It seems obvious that the Democrats’ mad rush to this wholly irregular impeachment happened in direct, proportional response to the encroaching danger to them posed by the DOJ inspector general’s imminent report and the news a week ago that the AG upgraded his “review” of all things RussiaGate to a criminal inquiry, with grand juries assembled to process indictments.

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Yes, the new rightwing government is screwing things up even more than they were. But this is on the EU.

Greek Refugee Camps ‘On Edge Of Catastrophe’ – EU Watchdog (BBC)

Thousands of people living in “abysmal” refugee camps on two Greek islands are “on the edge of catastrophe”, Europe’s human rights watchdog has said. Dunja Mijatovic, Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, spoke of an “explosive situation” on the Aegean islands, home to 36,000 asylum seekers. Hours later, Greece’s parliament passed a bill to fast-track deportations. The prime minister said refugees would be protected but Greece’s gates would not be thrown open to everyone. The left-wing opposition has criticised the law and some humanitarian groups, including United Nations refugee agency UNHCR, have warned it could restrict protection for asylum seekers.


But centre-right Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said the move would deter those not entitled to asylum, telling parliament: “Enough is enough.” Nearly one million migrants refugees, including many fleeing war in Syria, crossed from Turkey to the Greek islands in 2015. Turkey agreed a financial deal with the EU to curb the influx but is still hosting 3.6 million Syrians. In recent months the numbers have surged and all the camps on the Greek islands are filled beyond capacity. [..] In a scathing assessment, Ms Mijatovic said: “The situation of migrants, including asylum seekers, in the Greek Aegean islands has dramatically worsened over the past 12 months. Urgent measures are needed to address the desperate conditions in which thousands of human beings are living.” She described the camps as “vastly overcrowded” places where people “queue for hours to get food and to go to bathrooms, when these are available”.

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Saw the Reuters piece early Friday, thought bigger version would follow. Relevant, though, because WHO would want to fly 737MAX? Not passengers, not crew.

28,000 American Airlines Flight Attendants Refuse To Work On 737 Max (ZH)

Tens of thousands of American Airlines’ flight attendants fear for their safety and will not work on Boeing 737 Max planes if they return to the air in 2020, the Association of Professional Flight Attendants (APFA) union’s president wrote in a letter to Boeing’s CEO this week, reported Reuters. “The 28,000 flight attendants working for American Airlines refuse to walk onto a plane that may not be safe and are calling for the highest possible safety standards to avoid another tragedy,” APFA President Lori Bassani said in the letter (seen by Reuters). Reuters noted the letter was dated Oct. 30, which followed several days of Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg being grilled by lawmakers in Washington after two Max crashes killed 346 people and led to a worldwide grounding of the plane in March.

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Don’t know about you, but I like pretty girls in their summer dresses. Should I feel guilty about that now? This feels like something well-intentioned that has gone terribly off the rails.

Apple Introduces Gender-Neutral Versions Of Nearly Every Human Emoji (RT)

The latest iOS 13.2 update is dividing digital fans with dozens of new genderless emoji characters. More choice or a step too far? iOS updates – they drain your battery and cause social anxiety – but the world can relax as the flamingo and otter emojis have finally been released. The update has delivered almost 400 images in total…. and it even includes a gender free vampire. But it seems the new mix of identity politics can stimulate confusion and division. Many online supporters have given a thumbs up to the Unicode Consortium team (that approves new emojis) as gender neutral choices and people with disabilities are now listed. But some fear too many choices are dividing society. Do we really need to be placed into so many boxes and categories?


Emoji characters now have a genderless character as well as male and female. Whoever thought a non-binary vampire even existed? Perhaps the emoji mafia are trying too hard. We have come such a long way since the original emoticon. What started off as a smiley face text two decades ago now equates to hundreds of people that can be represented. But this wasn’t enough, so Emojipedia declared the year 2015 as “the year of Emoji diversity” adding different skin colours, more female characters, gender inclusive people and more hair colours.

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    Pablo Picasso Woman with blue collar (Portrait d’Inez) 1941   • Christopher Steele Gave Evidence To UK Intrusion Inquiry (G.) • Trump-Ukraine Whi
    [See the full post at: Things November 2 2019]

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    V. Arnold
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    Don’t know about you, but I like pretty girls in their summer dresses. Should I feel guilty about that now? This feels like something well-intentioned that has gone terribly off the rails.

    Me too; and no! And yes, off the rails…
    I’m totally and completely fed up to my eyeballs with all this gender crap.
    There are two genders among the human soecies; period!
    Male (under attack) and female; viv la differance… 😉
    I became a recovering feminist more than 20 years ago…
    Lest I lose it completely; I’ll stop there.

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    V. Arnold
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    Ugh! Damn typo; soecies of course should be species…

    #50993

    V. Arnold
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    Things November 2 2019
    Pablo Picasso Woman with blue collar (Portrait d’Inez) 1941

    The painting is quite lovely actually; almost passed it by…

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    The Picasso is a rarity for that period in his life, 1941. He almost exclusively painted people with their noses on top of their head etc., looking for a way to do 3D on a flat canvas.

    As for the gender issue, it seems wise to not speak too much too soon. But gender neutral doesn’t appear to be a real term, and it easily veers towards gender denial. Which for most people is not a real thing. But for those that do have doubts or questions about what and who they are, by all means let’s support them. Still, do we achieve that with so-called gender neutral emojis? What does that solve?

    I see reports of parents who don’t want their young children to ”pronounce” their gender too young, or even some where a parent wants gender-related surgery for their 7 year-olds, and I think whatever is going on we should be able to do better than that.

    But I also keep in mind that there are many chemicals out there that affect gender issues in other organisms, so there’s no guarantee they wouldn’t do the same in people.

    Still, more than anything, let’s talk about it. There have always been people unhappy in their bodies because of gender, Chelsea Manning is a prime example for me. I would never want to not support her. And if she deserves that support, other of course do too.

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    Dr. D
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    “Trump-Ukraine Whistleblower Suddenly Won’t Testify (ZH)”

    Sort of speaks for itself, doesn’t it? This is what I always do when I have a slam-dunk case, and somehow “Charlie” thinks he’s NEVER going to have to be named and testify? In a national impeachment in one of the world’s primary countries? …Okay! Good luck with that!

    I hear “Americans will see, Americans will understand” this and that, blah blah. No they won’t. They don’t read, they don’t understand, because they don’t care about you and don’t have time to come up there and knock heads. So they get it over on the stupido Americanos, yes? No, because INSTEAD of reading every day like you and I do, they can tell JUST AS MUCH and save a whole lot of time by just watching how people speak and act. And being railroaded, with no fair trade or opportunity to speak is completely familiar to every single person here, having been perjured by police, harassed by school principles, bullied by every code officer and petty official, sitting in a thousand corporate meetings where only this happens. So when they take 60 seconds to look into it, once, 30 days before the election, it will STILL read as garbage. And they won’t care who did what to whom, just that this is b——t steaming 6 feet high, and real familiar.

    …And not just saying, as the critical swing states are already not buying it, which will flip the House too. This is what you get when you don’t run on policy, the many, many things that can help people and we all agree on. I think it’s official that they’re running on a 100% negative campaign, “Our candidate is a garbage heap but suck it ‘cause anyone but Trump.” No. People are very, very tired of negativity and division. That’s been true for decades and why Obama got in. But the only reason they use it is because otherwise they can’t get in such awful, double-crossing, anti-American tools.

    “The CIA is committed to telling the truth… You heard it here first.”

    The sad part is, and commented on by the non-herd left, is how on earth the Left could ever love the CIA, FBI, Police, billionaires, corporations, and promote giving them unlimited power. How did that happen, and how did it happen so fast? I say this with 1 and 2A, they think Hitler is in office and they want to disarm themselves and give HIM total control over speech, and increase the secret state budget by billions. Sorry, what??? That’s not what you’d call “Resisting.” They love authority, and it doesn’t matter who owns it, even if that person abuses them literally to death. –Just look at the Soviet Union. They only love, follow and support power. Because if they believed in individualism and responsibility they’d be Republicans. Okay, or small-government Libertarians, or even Anarchists, but anything but Leftists, because 100% of Leftist requires all-consuming government to be your daddy, and then believing (somehow!) that it will never do you wrong although the history of government and leftists is that they always, ALWAYS do you wrong. This belief causes more attacks of raw power on the powerless and vulnerable than any King could ever dream of, and I’m lost as to why it’s not obvious to them. But here you have it: Left ♥ ♥ ♥ CIA, the CIA that kills brown people by the millions worldwide.

    A Partisan Impeachment Vote Is Exactly What the Framers Feared (Dershowitz)”

    It is, but they could not prevent that, and everything is going pretty well. The partisan vote and approach may work in the House, but co-equal branches of government are restraining them, and may do so even more forcefully, meanwhile the co-equal branch called “The People”, the ultimate veto, are also withdrawing power from a partisan power-play from only one branch. It works itself out over time, but the House can do nothing here, nor, if the people themselves don’t play into it, can anyone else. The division will break and re-merge to the center, as we see with Generation Zoomer, now 19.

    “Horse-Trading Is Not An Impeachable Offense (HE)”

    Sadly yes, we have not yet found a better way, perhaps until we are better people. Therefore the threshold to actual bribery remains murky. That highlights again where you don’t impeach on obstruction (obstruction of your innocence?) but on “High Crimes”, big, obvious things we can all be certain are over the line. So let’s get one. I’m game!

    “Gabbard should seriously consider suing for libel. Clinton has veritably, and without a shred of evidence, accused her of treason, a crime that, due to Gabbard’s continued military service, is punishable by death. This is no small matter.”

    This is where you end up when no one is held to account, ever. At first it’s things that can be interpreted badly, as horse-trading. Then it’s innuendo and bad faith until you reach a point where you’re calling each other “a tool of the French” and a “Hermaphrodite” as Jefferson and Adams did. That’s why being able to sue, without it being as today, nearly impossible, is so important. It helps keep the culture in check, and is fair because real damages occur that have real costs – it’s not just the court and law getting involved in personal fights.

    “Trevor Noah Asks Hillary: “How Did You Kill Jeffrey Epstein?” (ZH)”

    I think when they’re swimming in the fish tank they actually believe it. Like all cults do. All ‘good people’ believe it, all my friends believe it, it’s only these two racist rednecks in Alabama that don’t believe it. “’It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.’ Upton Sinclair If they stopped believing it, like I suspect Stewart and Seinfeld have, they lose their jobs and platform, and most probably their friends, their careers, if not their lives. Look at Cavanaugh, etc. or Trump who was a Democrat with a picture donating to every Black organization in NY until his campaign started. Then suddenly: Hitler. All friends flee, all knowing it’s false. Such Intelligentsia, the well-known cowards of history. So they have to keep their protests small. But being small, they are then complicit, helping the lie roll on and on, which is exactly how the Jacobins, Nazis, Cultural Revolution, and every other historical catastrophe happened: “All it takes for Evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.” – MLK. They do nothing, so I cannot respect them. Simpson, Assange, etc, the information is out there, they can read it. They clearly REFUSE to, which is supported by Antifa, etc, beating anyone in the streets who even TALKS to the other side, even to learn to know their enemy better. This is the sign of certain failure, and certain lies, although sadly the high water mark of failure and discrediting can take quite a while.

    This, while everyone in Hollywood, like Stewart, like Noah, knew all about Weinstein and Spacy for decades, Oprah sent over fresh women to him for years, and they told jokes on Family Guy and Simpsons for years, doing nothing. So I’m supposed to believe and respect them while they’re raping Corey Feldman and battering him for his entire life whenever he, the victim, talks about it? I’m supposed to find it a coincidence when the 2nd Spacy accuser has died in a mysterious accident in a single year?

    At some point complicity, “just following orders” makes you the enemy. I’d say much of Hollywood has long since passed that point. This is case-by-case, and evidence must be provided, but Noah and Fallon are clearly in that camp: My side, right or wrong, a cult that will cover for ANYTHING their leaders do, however bad.

    Gender: the basic problem is that Feminists hate women, they do not see and understand female power, and believe the only path is to make women behave as men, under men’s standards: power, aggression, force, confrontation, autonomy. They reject wholly and even attack the things that give women their REAL power: love, cooperation, understanding, support. So they make women to hate, not love, idolize power, not beauty, focus on their individual selves, not family and community, and thereby destroy everything that fulfill women and make them important and strong. That’s not me saying it: women are measurably more unhappy Every. Single. Year. Since Feminism started. Women are now openly rejecting love of corporation and money in favor of having children and family that they are now 35 and may lose altogether, retiring to old age empty and alone. We already have men to do force and individualization, and that needs to be mitigated so not to be even MEN’S worst traits. We most certainly do not need women to behave just as badly, leaving no one to support love, beauty, family, and community. …Exactly as planned, and exactly the evil we find ourselves in now.

    Yes, the world needs more women, as the Feminists say. However, their answer is to have to women in drag, and behave as men, giving villainous men more power under men’s rules, solving nothing, and not even women left to be women.

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    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Still, more than anything, let’s talk about it. There have always been people unhappy in their bodies because of gender, Chelsea Manning is a prime example for me. I would never want to not support her. And if she deserves that support, other of course do too.

    I have zero problem with that. Never have had.
    My problem is the politicalization of and the corruption of facts regarding gender issues.
    Live and let live; do not demand that I agree with your (all inclusive) view or opinion!

    #50997

    zerosum
    Participant

    Look up the synonyms the enabler
    Then look up the synonyms for notary and lawyer

    We live in a world where there are rules and regulation that make it possible for society to function.
    All of us here have had to use lawyers, notaries and accountants

    • Horse-Trading Is Not An Impeachable Offense (HE)
    There are 102 synonym …. •exchange (verb)
    shuttle, bandy, contact with, displace, deal in, transpose, cash in, shuffle, go over to, change hands, hook up, return the compliment, revise, castle, transact, reciprocate, commute, interchange, replace, correspond, substitute, market, switch, turn the tables, convert into, flip-flop, truck, alternate, network, invert, reverse, swap horses, give and take, rearrange, shift, pay back, seesaw, pass to, transfer, change, link up.

    • In Defense of Tulsi Gabbard (Sjursen)

    Gabbard should seriously consider suing for libel. Clinton has veritably, and without a shred of evidence, accused her of treason, a crime that, due to Gabbard’s continued military service, is punishable by death. This is no small matter.

    The hidden “Deep State”
    The “power behind the throne”
    You are all aware that the majority of politicians are lawyers, and have legal training and accounting background.
    Why are lawyers and accountants not identified as the power behind the throne?
    Did you forget who said, “There is no proof of wrong doing”
    Biden went to Syracuse University College of Law. He knows how to hire the right law and accounting experts so that he does not do “any wrong doing”.

    #50998

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Biden was also last in his law class.

    He said that was fake news, fixed by Snopes, but the other worst guy died and left him the honor.

    Fail to the top, like them all.

    #50999

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Times where I agree with Nancy Pelosi:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-02/nancy-pelosi-is-worried-2020-candidates-are-on-wrong-track

    ““What works in San Francisco does not necessarily work in Michigan,” Pelosi said at a roundtable of Bloomberg News reporters and editors on Friday. “What works in Michigan works in San Francisco — talking about workers’ rights and sharing prosperity.”

    “Remember November,” she said. “You must win the Electoral College.”

    “Democrats are not going to win by repeating Republican talking points,” the Massachusetts senator said in Des Moines, Iowa. “So, if Biden doesn’t like that, I’m just not sure where he’s going.”

    “There’s very strong opposition on the labor side to the Green New Deal because it’s like 10 years, no more fossil fuel. Really?” she said.

    And a lot more. They’re now so far Left that Nancy Pelosi sounds like Ronald Reagan.

    #51000

    Biden is now fourth in the most recent polls. I’ve said it before, the whole impeachment thing was largely based on Trump wanting dirt on his “major rival”. Biden was never that, Trump always knew, and that whole thing falls flat on its face for everyone except CNN, Maddow, NYT and WashPo audience. But you have to remember, these are all people who are never exposed to any other opinions or facts. That’s what keeps Biden and Schiff alive: a lack of information.

    What a curious time we live in. More information than ever, and a vast majority of people that is very poorly informed.

    #51001

    Nancy finds herself stuck in her impeachment call. She’s smart enough to see how bad a call that was. And she’s old enough that she should never have been in her present role. But you know, power calls. She should be handing over the baton to a younger crowd, but she has no idea what they are thinking, and those are her own words.

    Thing is, by her and her ilk not being grandmas and grandpas as they should, they force the young ‘uns into more radical positions just to have any voice at all. And by insisting to stay, she creates the space for self-imploding devices like Adam Schiff to move themselves forward into the limelight they so desperately crave. Spend more time with the family, Nancy, you’re making it too easy for Trump.

    #51002

    anticlimactic
    Participant

    TRANS

    I am finding this whole area increasingly disturbing.

    The LGBT community is a minority. Within that transvestites are a minority. Within that transgender is a minority. The only estimate I have seen for transgender is 0.02% of the population. So 99.98% of the population is not but are being asked/forced to make sacrifices to accommodate this minority.

    Being transgender involves genital mutilation and drugs for life. It is not trivial.

    It seems the idea of having a ‘trans’ kid is becoming trendy, but kids are pliable or willing to please so they may be persuaded to go along without really knowing what the implications are. The law should be protecting these kids but instead seems to be paving the way.

    Transgender males are making a mockery of female sport – they are still genetically male with male advantages and set records no female could ever beat.

    Then there are the perverts. Males who identify as female so they can use female toilets, be put in female prisons [even though they still have a penis], and so on.

    While not often mentioned it seems that one in three transgenders regret the change. In the future there could be many more people whose lives are harmed by being mistakenly persuaded to make the change.

    #51003

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    I am finding this whole area increasingly disturbing.

    The LGBT community is a minority. Within that transvestites are a minority. Within that transgender is a minority. The only estimate I have seen for transgender is 0.02% of the population. So 99.98% of the population is not but are being asked/forced to make sacrifices to accommodate this minority.

    Being transgender involves genital mutilation and drugs for life. It is not trivial.

    Well said and point on…

    #51004

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    There is a fascinating documentary on RT called, I Want My Sex Back.
    The story of three people who underwent sex change operations and now regret the decision;
    https://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/437869-sex-change-operations-regret/
    I found it to be very informative; not ever having seen or heard a discussion like this before.

    #51005

    VietnamVet
    Participant

    “Praise God for the Deep State”.

    This shows how deep the delusion is in the swamp. The Intelligence Community serves the Empire. Its eunuchs climb upwards through the corporate-state revolving door. However, Donald Trump is a bonafide oligarch who innately steals oil which will only accelerate the Five-Eye’s end. With Russian and Iranian aid, the Syrian Arab Army will retake their foreign occupied eastern territory. All the East Coast carriers are in Norfolk getting repaired. Thousands of American troops are back in Saudi Arabia, the reason for 9/11 in the first place. The only weapons left for the USA are nuclear. Hezbollah and Iran have achieved nonnuclear mutually assured destruction with Israel and Saudi Arabia. The September attack on Saudi oil production that cut it by 50% can be repeated at any time. The only way out is peace. But that would break the swamp’s rice bowls.

    The human tragedy of living on one earth is that anyone who supports détente is labeled a traitor by the psychopath warmongers who risk annihilation to get richer.

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