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Killing Julian Assange (AlJ)
Docs Urge Early Outpatient Treatment For COVID-19 (France Soir)
New Zealand Tightens Border Again Amid Fears Over New Covid Strain (G.)
Fauci Says He Did Not Expect COVID19 Death Toll To Climb To 350,000 (JTN)
Trump Call Actually Reveals A President Deep Into Detail (Kassam)
McCarthy Supports Electoral Challenge In House, Deputy Cheney Opposes It (JTN)
The Dark Past of Biden’s Nominee for National Intelligence Director (Kiriakou)
Chinese Billionaire Jack Ma Suspected Missing (Y!)
Breadlines Stretch Across America (ZH)
The American System Is One Big Grift (van Buren)

 

 

Assange hearing due any moment. Not sure it makes sense to wait for the outcome. It will be appealed no matter which way it goes. And then move to a higher court.

A big moment for sure, but more to gauge how lawless the UK will allow itself to look.

 

UPDATE: UK judge rules against extradition of Assange to US

That was unexpected. She says he must be discharged from Belmarsh for health reasons.

 

Other big theme today: the Trump call to Georgia, leaked to the WaPo, which edited the transcript. Two entirely different interpretations of what it says.

It’s the Zelensky call all over again.

 

 

“..the act of exposing US crimes of torture and killing abroad can at times get you tortured and killed yourself. Call it poetic injustice.”

Killing Julian Assange (AlJ)

On Monday, January 4, a London court will decide whether to extradite WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States on espionage charges. If convicted, the whistle-blower will face a prison sentence of up to 175 years in everyone’s favourite “land of the free”. The Australian citizen is accused of having harmed the US and its allies by publishing classified documents. Assange collaborated with former US Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning, who has already been put through the horror show of the so-called US justice system for leaking classified documents related to, inter alia, the US wars on Afghanistan and Iraq. Among the most notorious material published by WikiLeaks is the “Collateral Murder” video, released in 2010. It depicts a 2007 episode in Baghdad in which US Apache helicopter personnel enthusiastically slaughtered a dozen Iraqis, including two Reuters staffers – a fitting hint, perhaps, as to the existential perils of journalistic efforts to document the truth.

In Assange’s case, his crime is just that: telling the truth in contravention of an official narrative of heroic, world-saving interventions by the US military. Indeed, according to the perverse perspective of the US, it is absolutely fine to massacre Iraqi civilians – just not to talk about it. In the end, after all, what is imperial war if not sustained butchery and devastation of civilian populations? Yet pointing out the bleeding obvious is apparently enough to land you in jail for 175 years. And not just any jail. Charles Glass, veteran journalist and former chief Middle East correspondent for ABC News – who has himself visited the imprisoned Assange in London – writes in The Intercept that, if extradited, Assange risks internment in the “Alcatraz of the Rockies”, a federal supermax prison in Colorado that houses Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Oklahoma City co-bomber Terry Nichols.

There, Assange’s life would consist of “permanent solitary confinement in a concrete box cell with a window four inches wide, with six bed checks a day and one hour of exercise in an outdoor cage”. Similar punishment is of course also meted out to all of the US soldiers who kill and rape with abandon, and to the politicians who dispatch them to do so. (Just kidding.) In the meantime, as Assange awaits the extradition verdict, the British are doing a fine job maintaining a regimen of “denial of access to healthcare and prolonged psychological torture” – as 117 doctors have affirmed in a letter to the medical journal The Lancet. Back in November of 2019, the United Nations’ special rapporteur on torture, Nils Melzer, had already warned that the psychological torture and abuse to which Assange was being subjected in the UK – at the behest of the US – could ultimately cost him his life.

It seems, then, that the act of exposing US crimes of torture and killing abroad can at times get you tortured and killed yourself. Call it poetic injustice. In an email to me, Julie Wark, author of The Human Rights Manifesto, recalled the special rapporteur’s observations, emphasising that “a gang of so-called democratic states has deliberately demonised and abused a single individual with almost zero regard for human rights and rule of law”. She continued: “The official leviathan turned against Assange and other whistleblowers is a measure of the crimes these states want covered up.” Obviously, the precedent of extraditing an Australian citizen from the UK to the US for the “crime” of exposing reality would be a disastrous blow to journalism worldwide – although it would certainly assist in further exposing a reality in the world’s self-proclaimed “greatest democracy”, where, as it turns out, freedom of the press is not actually a thing. Ditto for other cool stuff like freedom of speech and thought.

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France goes its own way in virustime.

Docs Urge Early Outpatient Treatment For COVID-19 (France Soir)

The year 2020 will have been marked by a series of studies on treatments against COVID-19 and associated controversies. All will remember the declarations of the Minister of Health and the Prime Minister that ” there is no treatment against Covid-19 ” despite the studies published by the IHU of Prof. Raoult. In December, the Italian Council of State rehabilitated the early-phase treatment based on hydroxychloroquine, proving the doctors right and recalling the principle that no national agency should interfere in the privileged relationship between a doctor and his patient. In the United States in October, under the influence of Senator Johnson , Professors Peter McCullough , Harvey Risch, and doctor Pierre Kory testified under oath to the Senate commission of inquiry into early stage treatments.

The latter recalled the fundamental basis of a response to a viral epidemic with the 4 pillars: the control of contagion by various measures such as barrier gestures, early phase treatment, hospital care, and the vaccine or group immunity. A peer-reviewed study published in the Reviews of Cardiovascular Medicine (Reviews of Cardiovascular Medicine) on December 30, 2020 by a group of 57 doctors, including Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Harvey Risch, many of whom have treated the disease in the early phase, includes all the elements to show that there is no cure for Covid-19, but that a combination of drugs and other supplements can significantly reduce the risk of worsening the disease . This also leads to a reduction in hospitalization needs, thus reducing the pressure on the use of intensive care or resuscitation beds. The question of risk benefit for the need for a vaccine therefore arises.

The study summary states: “The SARS-CoV-2 virus that is spreading across the world has resulted in epidemic peaks of COVID-19 disease, hospitalizations and deaths. The complex and multifaceted pathophysiology of COVID-19 is life threatening to those infected (including damage to organs mediating the virus, cytokine storm and thrombosis). This therefore justifies early interventions to treat all facets of the disease . In countries where therapeutic nihilism is prevalent, patients experience escalating symptoms and without early treatment, patients may succumb to complications of delayed hospitalization, resulting in death. Early and rapid initiation of Combination Sequence Therapy (SMDT) is a widely and currently available solution to stem the tide of hospitalizations and deaths.”

A multi-pronged therapeutic approach includes 1) adjuvant nutraceuticals, 2) combined intracellular anti-infective therapy, 3) inhaled / oral corticosteroids, 4) antiplatelet / anticoagulant agents, 5) supportive care, including supplemental oxygen, monitoring and telemedicine. Randomized trials of new individual oral therapies have failed to provide doctors with the tools they need to fight the pandemic. No single treatment option so far has been fully effective and therefore a combination is required at this time. An urgent immediate transition from single drug therapy to SMDT regimens should be used as a critical strategy to treat the large number of patients with acute COVID-19 with the goal of reducing the intensity and duration of symptoms and avoiding hospitalization and death.

The risk of complications and death increases if there is no early phase treatment as soon as the first symptoms appear. This study therefore supports the approach advocated by Professor Raoult since the start of the year: treatment in the early phase helps reduce the risk of complications linked to the disease. It also confirms all the work done in the United States by Dr. Zelenko as well as all the doctors who have worked for the early phase treatment against thick and thin, too often ignored by health agencies and medical authorities.

The ANSM (National Agency for Health and Medicines), the Minister of Health and the various administrative bodies will undoubtedly have to explain their decisions to the French. The benefit-risk analysis as described by the Italian Council of State (in the absence of specific treatment, there is no reason that health agencies interfere in the doctor-patient relationship, especially for drugs that have proven to be safe over several decades) makes sense in the light of this new study. The abandonment of hydroxychloroquine in the arm of various studies when the signs were positive (Hycovid study), overdose in other studies, media silence on ivermectin will undoubtedly need to be addressed by those with comprehensive legal expertise.

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6 cases in New Zealand, 6 cases in Greece.

New Zealand Tightens Border Again Amid Fears Over New Covid Strain (G.)

New Zealand has further tightened border controls amid mounting anxiety about the new strain of coronavirus driving up infections overseas. Six cases of the new variant of the virus – five in arrivals from the UK and one from South Africa – were recorded in managed isolation facilities in the two weeks leading up to Christmas. Travellers to New Zealand from the US and UK will now be required to show a negative test for Covid-19 before departure, as well as taking a test on their arrival in quarantine in addition to those on days three and 12. The border remains mostly closed to non-citizens. The Ministry of Health said in a statement on Sunday that these were “extra precautionary steps [to] provide another layer of protection” against the new strain of coronavirus, recorded in more than 30 countries.


Though there has been no community transmission of coronavirus in New Zealand since 18 November, Auckland University microbiologist Siouxsie Wiles said the new variant – which is reported to be more infectious – would challenge the country’s safeguards. “If there are any chinks in the chain, it will find them,” she told Stuff. For New Zealanders in the UK and the US wanting to come home, the new requirement to obtain a test is an additional barrier on top of flight cancellations and the long wait for a vacancy in quarantine. The vast majority of the 5,800 spots in the 32 managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) facilities across New Zealand were occupied over Christmas and New Year in Kiwis’ rush to return. Stuff reports that the earliest available vacancy was in mid-March.

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But he gets to keep his job…

Fauci Says He Did Not Expect COVID19 Death Toll To Climb To 350,000 (JTN)

Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Dr. Anthony Fauci on ABC This Week said that he had not expected the COVID-19 death toll in the U.S. to rise to 350,000. “Did you ever expect it to be that high?” host Martha Raddatz asked. “No Martha, I did not,” Fauci responded. “But you know that’s what happens when you’re in a situation where you have surges related to so many factors: Inconsistent adhering to the public health measures, the winter months coming in right now with the cold allowing people or essentially forcing people to do most of their things indoors as opposed to outdoors and then the traveling associated with the holiday season is all of the ingredients that unfortunately make for a situation that is really terrible.”


Data compiled by Johns Hopkins University indicates that the U.S. coronavirus death count exceeds 350,000. President Trump on Sunday tweeted: “The number of cases and deaths of the China Virus is far exaggerated in the United States because of @CDCgov’s ridiculous method of determination compared to other countries, many of whom report, purposely, very inaccurately and low. ‘When in doubt, call it Covid.’ Fake News!” Asked about the president’s tweet, Fauci responded: “Well, the deaths are real deaths. I mean, all you need to do is to go out into the trenches, go to the hospitals, see what the health care workers are dealing with. They are under very stressed situations in many areas of the country, the hospital beds are stretched, people are running out of beds, running out of trained personnel who are exhausted right now. That’s real. That’s not fake. That’s real.”

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1 phone call. 2 completely different stories.

Trump Call Actually Reveals A President Deep Into Detail (Kassam)

“I don’t know about that… I don’t have it in front of me… we’re looking into that…” These weren’t the vague, non-committal words of the President of the United States on the phone call leaked by theWashington Post newspaper – which has recently taken millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist Party – this Sunday. They were the statements of the establishment Republicans on the call: Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Ryan Germany, and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs on the January 2nd call. Despite the partisan framing from the Washington Post – that the call somehow reflected Trump making demands for votes from his Republican colleagues – the President actually does no such thing. Throughout the call, the President makes clear that his calls are for election transparency, full and transparent audits, and public access.

At no point does the President imply he wants votes invented or confected, as the establishment media is portraying. He even offers to recuse himself from parts of the conversation and ends by asking for “the truth… it’s just that simple.” In fact the President begins the call by ripping through specifics that are never addressed by their opponents on the call: the establishment Republicans. Trump states: “We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County — you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged.”

He continues: “We had, I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list, so it’s 4,502 who voted, but they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant, and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.” And the President went on: “You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, that’s 2,326.” The level of granularity was actually remarkable, especially for a President that the media continues to allege is not concerned with details.

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Dice roll.

McCarthy Supports Electoral Challenge In House, Deputy Cheney Opposes It (JTN)

House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy threw his support Sunday behind an effort in his caucus to oppose Joe Biden’s electors even as one of his deputies sent a memo opposing the movement. “I think it’s right that we have the debate. I mean, you see now that senators are going to object, the House is going to object — how else do we have a way to change the election problems?” McCarthy told The Hill newspaper in an interview. McCarthy made the commons as at least two dozen House members and a dozen senators, all Republicans, announced plans this weekend to oppose Biden’s electoral victory when Congress certifies electors on Wednesday.


While McCarthy endorsed the effort, House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney of Wyoming, a frequent Trump opponent, sent a memo to GOP caucus members opposing the effort as a danger to democracy “Such objections set an exceptionally dangerous precedent, threatening to steal states’ explicit constitutional responsibility for choosing the President and bestowing it instead on Congress,” she wrote. “This is directly at odds with the Constitution’s clear text and our core beliefs as Republicans.”

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John Kiriakou is a former CIA agent.

The Dark Past of Biden’s Nominee for National Intelligence Director (Kiriakou)

Former acting CIA Director Mike Morell, who has disingenuously argued for years that he had nothing to do with the agency’s torture program, but who continued to defend it, has taken himself out of the running to be President-elect Joe Biden’s new CIA director. The decision is a victory for the peace group Code Pink, which spearheaded the Stop Morell movement, and it’s a great thing for all Americans. Now, though, we have to turn our attention to Biden’s nominee to be director of national intelligence (DNI), Avril Haines. Haines is certainly qualified on paper to lead the Intelligence Community. A longtime Biden aide, she has the president-elect’s confidence. But that’s not good enough. Haines is exactly the kind of person who shouldn’t be in a position of authority in intelligence.

She is the kind of neoliberal intelligence apologist whom so many of us have opposed for so many years. Don’t just take my word for it, though. Look at her record. Haines first began working for Biden when she served as deputy general counsel of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee when Biden was its chairman. When Biden became vice president in 2009, Haines moved to the State Department, where she was the assistant legal adviser for treaty affairs. After only a year, she moved to the White House, where she became deputy assistant to the president and deputy counsel to the president for national security affairs, the National Security Council’s chief attorney.

That’s quite a position. What it means was that her job was to legally justify President Barack Obama’s decisions on such intelligence issues as drone strikes and whether to release the CIA Torture Report. She served there under CIA Director John Brennan. Obama apparently liked the job she did for him because in 2013, he named Haines deputy director of the CIA (DD/CIA). Haines was the first woman to be named DD/CIA, and she served again under Brennan, who proved time and again that he was no fan of congressional oversight. Haines’s attitude was similar to Brennan’s: The CIA was going to do what it was going to do, and she would make no apologies for it.

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Ma got too big.

Chinese Billionaire Jack Ma Suspected Missing (Y!)

Speculation has swirled around Chinese billionaire Jack Ma’s whereabouts after reports surfaced that the high-profile businessman has not made a public appearance in more than two months. The Alibaba founder also failed to appear as scheduled in the final episode of his own talent show, Africa’s Business Heroes, which gives budding African entrepreneurs the chance to compete for a slice of US $1.5 million. Ma was supposed to be part of the judging, but was replaced by an Alibaba executive in the November final, UK’s Telegraph reported. His picture was also taken off the website. An Alibaba spokesperson said Ma was unable to take part on the judging panel “due to a schedule conflict”, according to Financial Times.

Ma’s business empire, Ant Group, has been under scrutiny by Beijing ever since Ma delivered a controversial speech in Shanghai on 24 October that criticised China’s regulation system for stifling innovation and likened global banking rules to an “old people’s club”. “Today’s financial system is the legacy of the Industrial Age,” Ma said in the speech. “We must set up a new one for the next generation and young people. We must reform the current system.” Little over a week later, Ant’s IPO (valued at a record-setting US $37 billion or AU $48 billion), which had already received the green light from China’s securities watchdog, was suspended, with the Shanghai Stock Exchange saying Ant had reported “significant issues such as the changes in financial technology regulatory environment”.

But US veteran investor Mark Mobius said the move was designed to curtail financial institutions from getting too big. “I believe the Chinese government stepped in because they realised that they had to regulate these companies, so that they don’t … get too big,” he told CNBC. “The Chinese government is waking up to the fact that they cannot allow these companies that dominate a particular sector and particularly the financial sector.”

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“..8 million Americans joining the ranks of the poor since June..”

Breadlines Stretch Across America (ZH)

The economic collapse of 2020 has undeniably widened the wealth gap. Now, our country is essentially divided between those who patiently wait for some food in breadlines – after losing their ability to provide for themselves and, oftentimes, the roof over their heads – and those who sit comfortably at their own homes waiting for the meltdown to be over while discovering the joy of baking bread. Breadlines vs. Bread makers, that’s the ominous picture of an increasingly unequal America. That’s what Epic Economist exposes in the following video: The collapse has laid bare just how unequal our system is. As euphoria on Wall Street sends stock prices to astronomical heights, Main Street remains in crisis, with roughly 8 million Americans joining the ranks of the poor since June. The numbers are even letting some billionaires worried that the enormous inequality may lead to mass conflicts in months ahead. And even the establishment is showing it’s afraid that things could suddenly get out of hand, because much more turbulence is about to emerge.

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The Clintons and Bidens are bit players.

The American System Is One Big Grift (van Buren)

The first bribe I ever paid was to an Indonesian immigration officer, who noticed some small defect on my passport. Of course, he said, it could be resolved. Between us. With a fine (so many euphemisms). Off to the side. In cash. It was all of $20 to save a vacation but I felt filthy, cheated, a chump. But I learned the rules. In New York we use the euphemism “tip,” and it is as required as oxygen to get through the day. A restaurant table pre-COVID. A last minute anything. A friendlier handling by a doorman. Timely attention to fix-it requests. My, um, friend, used to pay a lot of money for better hotel rooms until he learned $20 at check in with a friendly “anything you can do” often got him upgraded to the same thing at a fraction of the price. What, you still paying retail, bro?

I used to think it was all small stuff, maybe with the odd mafia king bribing a judge with real money or something else Netflix-worthy. In America we were ultimately… fair, right? But things started to add up. We have our petty corruption like anywhere, but our souls are filthy on a much larger scale. America goes big or it goes home. Things like the Clinton Foundation accepting donations from the Saudis to help with women’s empowerment, an issue of course dear to the heart of the Kingdom. When it looked like his wife was going to be president, Bill made six-figure speeches to businesses seeking influence within the U.S. government, earning $50 million during his wife’s term as secretary of pay-for-play state. The Foundation, now mostly out of business, was at its peak a two-billion-dollar financial dangle.

It spent in 2013 the same on travel expenses for Hillary and her family as it did on charitable grants. The media, forever big Clinton fans, told us we should be used to it. Hey, Nixon was so much worse. Trump refused to be very specific about who his charity donated to. We know its offshoot, the Eric Trump charity, donated to a wine industry association, a plastic surgeon supposedly gifting nose jobs to kids, and an artist who painted a portrait of Donald. Trump-owned resorts received $880,000 for hosting Trump-sponsored charity events. Trump donated money from his foundation to conservative influencers ahead of his presidential bid.

With Joe as vice president, the Bidens made $396,000 in 2016. But in just the four years since leaving the Obama White House, Joe and Jill made more than $15 million. In fact, as his prospects for election improved, Joe and his wife made nearly twice as much in one year as they did in the previous 19 years combined. Joe scored $10 million alone for a book no one read. Jill was paid more than $3 million for her book in 2018. Joe has a tax-dodge S Corporation that donated money back to his own political PAC. Then of course there was Hunter, who scored millions in Chinese and Ukrainian money for doing nothing but being Joe’s son.

About half the nation got very twisted over Trump’s corruption and actively avoided noticing the Clintons and Bidens, and vice-versa, to the point of covering their ears NYANYANAYNYA. Yeah, politicians are corrupt, but does anyone think the donors in all three cases didn’t know what they were buying? What, you still voting retail, bro? But even all those millions, measured in Epsteins (a unit of influence buying I just made up) are petty cash. Real corruption scales. Pre-COVID America’s 614 billionaires were worth $2.95 trillion. As the Dow hit record highs this month, there are now 650 billionaires and their combined wealth is $4 trillion. The 400 richest Americans own 64 percent of the country’s wealth. Where’d all their money come from? You.

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    Vincent van Gogh Boulevard de Clichy, Paris 1887   • Killing Julian Assange (AlJ) • Docs Urge Early Outpatient Treatment For COVID-19 (France Soi
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle January 4 2021]

    #67668

    V. Arnold
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    Vincent van Gogh Boulevard de Clichy, Paris 1887

    Ah, tonight, a gorgeous van Gogh, a feast for mine eyes… 😉

    #67669

    a kullervo
    Participant

    Roots & Trunks & Branches

    You can prefer one over the others but you can’t discard the ones you dislike.
    And yet that’s what ordinary human brains try to do on a daily basis.

    Men against time
    Men in time
    Men above time

    Which one are you?
    Does it matter?

    No, because regardless of what you believe, you will die.
    Yes, because while you live, you can be at peace with yourself.

    Have a nice week.

    #67670

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    I have been praying for Julian Assange in my daily prayers for about three months — the only person who I have prayed for who I do not know personally. The news today was encouraging, as I was expecting his extradition. Not out of the woods yet, but I hope today is the day when the tide has started to turn. Lord have mercy on us all.

    #67671

    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    Great news about Assange even if it’s not yet the end of the story.

    I have to think that Baraitser was still following orders – Trump couldn’t pardon Assange because he hadn’t convicted of anything yet and he couldn’t publicly drop the extradition request without alienating the armed forces and handing the Democrats a stick with which to beat him. Perhaps he can now ‘accidentally’ fail to appeal before Inauguration Day. We can always hope.

    #67672

    Dr. D
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    ““Did you ever expect it to be that high?” host Martha Raddatz asked. “No Martha, I did not,” Fauci responded.”

    Never ending lies. And as said, never-ending fascism and employment. He specifically was a promoter of the Neil Ferguson school of millions dead. That’s why we just “had” to have these measures. If he didn’t think 300k would die, only maybe 30k, the same at the flu, WHAT THE F DID HE SHUT DOWN FOR?

    Lieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslieslies

    And still no lampposts.

    “Data compiled by Johns Hopkins University”

    The John Hopkins that was just caught lying and erased their own data? After Fauci was caught lying (about every other day) and erased his own data?

    Gee, why do cranks like me just not trust them? It is only because they’ve been lying all 365 days out of the last year?

    Masks work, masks don’t work.
    Do/Don’t buy them.
    No one will die/25 Million will die.
    We can’t lock down, that’s ridiculous/we just did.
    It will “flatten the curve” / 9 months later no curve is flattened.
    It’s 15 Day / Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
    No one will force you / You can’t move 5 miles or buy food without an untested vaccine and constant passport.
    It’s the law / No law has been passed, anywhere.
    Fauci says there is no prevention or therapy / says to take Vitamin D and C.
    HCQ works / doesn’t work / works / doesn’t work
    Ivermectin works.
    Can’t authorize untested vaccines if we have therapies like Fauci /France just said we have.

    That’s 60 seconds off the top of my head. Meanwhile, they are busting into houses in Quebec without a warrant and arrest families for existing. Yeah, the cops didn’t have masks either, as usual.

    So…we’re all quaranteaming – you don’t f’n know! – and perfectly safe as we can be among ourselves, and YOU, you EEEE-DIOTS!, who go around and meet the whoooooooooooole public, apparently without a mask, came into OUR family’s house because WE’RE dangerous?

    When do they chuck them into the St. Lawrence Sound?

    And yeah, that’s generally the story all over. 1) No harm is being done 2) cops break every law and human right 3) don’t wear the very masks they arrest the people for 4) throw them in jail to be “safe” 5) while letting other people like domestic abusers OUT of jail to be “safe.”

    Have we reached peak insanity yet? Peak #AntiLogos? Not on your life. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. New York is proposing a law to:

    a) Arrest and remove any one,
    b) For any SUSPECTED contact with,
    c) ANY disease. That is, not Covid, not dangerous, anything they care to name,
    d) To be removed WITHOUT trial or ANY process,
    e) To be detained in ANY facility,
    f) By ANY person who wants to,
    g) For ANY length of time.

    Gee, have we reached fascism yet, Chuckie? Ya thinks maybe – jeeeest maybeeee – enemies of Cuomo might end up on that list of “suspected contacts” with “something unnamed/we’ll make it up later”? Maybe journalists like Kunstler, Assange, Taibbi? Maybe whistleblowers who accuse Andy of slappin’ the salami while sniffin’ her hair?

    WHAT DOES IT TAKE ???

    You guys are not only GOING to the cattle cars willingly, you’ll be the ones DRIVING them into the furnace. While Justin, Cuomo, and Gates watch. With a smile on their face.

    WHAT DOES IT TAKE ???

    Apparently death itself will not rouse you. Good luck.

    There’s a reason why pandemics – which this isn’t – have NO force of law at all. …And that’s even IF any state, any where, should ever pass a law, some distant day. We haven’t. But 1A says you can assemble FOR ANY REASON, AT ANY TIME. 4A says you cannot have your rights remove and be put under infinite house arrest without ANY due process of law, speedy, transparent, legal, and fair. With access to the prosecution’s records. And 2A, which is the only thing that MAKES 1A-10A have the slightest chance of being respected. But not if you don’t use any of them. Your CREATOR gave you these rights, but if you cede them because of a 0.03% chance of harm, then you’re just a coward and will die as one. Do better. Hiding is not going to save you.

    Ask Assange. Or Jack Ma. Did his billions help him any?

    Assange out? Yes, but now how is he going to testify before Congress? And not “drone strike this guy”?
    It’s not over yet, it’s only beginning.

    #67673

    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    An idle question: Does anyone suspect, as I do, that the rise in oil prices over the past two months had a lot to do with this holiday season’s very online-dependent gift-shopping (which would, obviously, involve a lot of hauling packages by truck and van)?

    #67675

    zerosum
    Participant

    “Gee, have we reached fascism yet, ”
    Wait …. Biden and friends are taking over the gov.

    #67676

    Mr. House
    Participant

    Comments might be thru the roof here soon as the original PMC has shut off comments at another site which will not be named.

    #67677

    deflationista
    Participant

    This isn’t a pandemic?

    You’ve gotta be joking.

    #67678

    madamski
    Participant

    From today’s Charles Hugh Smith:

    “6. Process replaces results as the Prime Directive of the system. Devoting resources to following processes rather than to getting results generates an illusion of functionality even as the ability to evolve and adapt is lost.”

    I see this as the Mystery Ingredient linking incompetence with evil. Process superficially resembles tradition, except that it is routinely altered or replaced by a new Process. It has no real meaningful links to a functional past, as genuine traditions do. It has a life of its own, a life that serves as host or compost for both incompetent yes-men and their like, and deliberately malign actors.

    “Are they really that evil or just that stupid or both?” We’ve all asked this question numerously, exhaustingly. The word Process in the bureaucratic sense hides evil and incomeptence, and shields them when they’re discovered. It is the binding agent that creates both.

    #67679

    Mr. House
    Participant

    “This isn’t a pandemic?

    You’ve gotta be joking.”

    Based on my lying eyes, i’d agree its not. Based on statistics i see on TV and in the news, its worse then world war 1 and closing on world war 2. Who to believe in the age of fraud?

    #67680

    madamski
    Participant

    We’ve been fascist forever. Well, at least since WWII. The question, as I see it, is: Is fascism failing at last?

    My answer: yes.

    ^&*

    “Does it matter?
    No, because regardless of what you believe, you will die.
    Yes, because while you live, you can be at peace with yourself.”

    I like that. Suitable for framing.

    #67681

    teri
    Participant

    @Polder Dweller:

    I know it is de rigueur on this website to make excuses for Trump for everything he does, but surely you are aware of the underlying facts in the Assange case. There was no deep state, military cadre, or any such weaselly imaginary faction that made Trump bring charges against Assange or that is forcing him to deny a pardon.

    The only reason Assange is going through what he is today is because of Trump. Obama decided not to indict him. It was Trump who reinstated the charges and added 17 new charges related to the Espionage Act. Assange would be a free man now, save for Trump.

    And dig this – lawyers for the US (that means lawyers who work under the Trump administration) have already said they will appeal today’s decision from the UK. So Trump clearly still wants him in a US prison.

    Of course Trump could preemptively pardon Assange; Trump is considering preemptive pardons for several people. And by the way, Assange had already formally requested a pardon from Trump a few weeks ago. Assange himself doesn’t care if it is “preemptive” or not.

    Trump may still decide to scuttle his own administration’s position vis a vis Assange and pardon him, but I would be very surprised. (Ecstatic for Assange, who in no way should be in the position he is in, but surprised.) Trump does not spend any time thinking about anyone but himself and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about Julian Assange, me, you, or any person on the planet not named “Trump” – and he only cares about a couple of the latter.

    Trump is responsible for his actions and the actions he sets loose in his administration. Nobody made these excuses for Obama and nor should they have. Why do people think they can blame every damn stupid thing Trump does on some fabricated inscrutable entity? The man wanted to be president, he got there, now he is in charge and responsible. If he is so weak he feels he cannot even use his pardon powers on his way out the door (what could anyone do to him if he did pardon Assange at this point?), then he is just as it would appear – a weak, spineless man. Or, the other most obvious answer: he just doesn’t want to let Assange off the hook that he, Trump, put him on.

    #67682

    Mr. House
    Participant

    “I know it is de rigueur on this website to make excuses for Trump for everything he does”

    At least nobody censors you just because they disagree with you! The 15 mins of hate has now concluded.

    #67683

    teri
    Participant

    True that, Mr. House. Ilargi is very patient with the commenters, and I know for sure I must make him more than a bit peeved with my loud opinions sometimes.

    I wasn’t trying to be hateful in what I said in my comment above, but there are times when the record does need to be corrected, and in this case, it is truly only Trump’s fault that Assange is in jeopardy from the US right now. Guess I didn’t have to be so sarcastic (or hateful or whatever you thought I was being), and I am sorry if I was offensive.

    #67684

    Mr. House
    Participant

    Its the age of fraud Teri, i don’t think any of us really has any idea of what the truth is these days. Times are gone for honest men/women.

    #67685

    Geppetto
    Participant

    @madamski

    From The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy:

    “Management is rewarded for process. Civilization is rewarded for product. Beginning with US president Johnson’s “Great Society,” America demanded social equity be awarded( management) not earned (that discriminates against the lame,halt,dim-witted,addicted,perverse,diverse,deserving,delusional and proven unable). The hallmark of managerial process is….process. Process always grows,invades and metastasizes.

    People are drowning in process. They are besieged with false content and it flows like a cancerous erosion of 24 hours each day. If you do not like being alone, it is because you are in poor company. I lived in Brooklyn, New York. Some 10,000 people lived across the street in The Projects. Stacked high and dense, every flush of a toilet, every bag of garbage descending, every argument was heard everywhere. People deflated without hope or pressurized murderous.

    Most people have nothing to say and volubly so. Their self-worth arises from how much they spew and accumulate_ process.” And so the problem remained; lots of people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches”

    Forgive me for typos and punctuations..transcribed from a tiny picture on my phone.

    Douglas Adams a long time ago in 1979.

    #67686

    Geppetto
    Participant

    Actually only that last quote was from Adams. The rest was from a random tweet I came across a while back. I never read the book but the whole thing made sense at the time and still does. I had it a s screen grab on my phone. Sorry.

    #67687

    kultsommer
    Participant

    Somehow, still, great news about Assange.

    “This isn’t a pandemic?
    You’ve gotta be joking.”
    Glory of democracy, where this opinion is EQUAL to any other. Every person has a right to believe in anything and “express” themselves thus creating a pool of insanity where voice of reason gets drowned.

    #67688

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    I think the Baraister ruling on Assage could be a gift to the prosecution. Whatever she ruled, it would be appealed anyway, and now the appeal could be on the basis of whether or not he can be prevented from committing suicide in prison.

    In this ruling Baraitser mentioned the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein, but in the appeal the prosecution would undoubtedly argue that Epstein was held in a Manhattan jail for people awaiting trial or sentencing, while Assange would be held in a Supermax prison with greater security measures.

    And Baraitser didn’t rule that Assange should be released on bail, he needs to prevail at a bail hearing for that, and “legal experts say they would be surprised if bail is granted” (according to The Guardian).

    I think that Assange’s legal team should appeal, since Baraitser ruled that his extradition would not be unlawful, except for that suicide issue.

    #67689

    deflationista
    Participant

    After four years, Donald seems to be finally realizing that the wall he liked to say he was building was actually between him and his second term. The Dem’s Russia scheme never really worked out. Their impeachment plan even backfired. Teflon Don just barreled on in the way he does, taunting them the whole time, middle finger and all. I have to say, in many ways, I found that refreshing as hell. I never agreed with alot of what Trump said, but I have been so sick of shit for so long that even the slightest bit of unconventionality was refreshing- even if it came in the form of an effeminate elitist prig. But it was Donald’s indifference to and mocking of the virus that really turned me off. The virus itself laid bare all the bad wood underneath the veneer of this country’s socio-economic and cultural paradigms. But it also exposed the idiocy of Donald’s schtick and his sycophant’s bootlicking stupidity. I guess it hit me a little harder because I have a sick mom and kids who suffer because of the ridiculous response to the virus. But I tend to be a science type of guy, so even if my mom was healthy and I had no kids, the whole covid strategy would have pissed me off.

    So now, Donald gets to sit in the oval office, eating big Macs and cheetos while being treated to the greatest drip torture of all time. Vote by painful vote. Case after case laughed out of court. He ended up suppressing his own voter base by telling them not to vote by mail because it was dangerous and ripe with fraud. A decision that will eventually be seen as his fatal one. GOP state legislators set it all up to count the mail-in ballots after the in-person voting to give it the appearance that votes were magically appearing out of nowhere, as if the Democrats were madly filling out ballots in some secret broom closet and then counting them. The folly is pure entertainment.

    I have read all of the analysis. One take in particular alarms me. It suggests we are witnessing a fascist coup in the makings. That Donald has unleashed a movement that will not so easily be shoved back into the bottle. But that same analysis said the same things when he was elected the first time. That Trump was hitler. That he was a dictator who is only friends with other dictators etc. None of that really panned out, so I take that analysis with a bit of caution. I do admit that some of the things I have seen even in my area makes me wonder if this country is headed for dark times. Neo-Nazi groups started showing up at local rallies and marches. They harassed people. Some got arrested. It was a sickening wake up call this last summer.

    Or maybe, these people will slowly fade back into the corners of society that held them for years, seething in ignorance and confusion and indoctrination to be productive worker bees like the hive demands? Who really knows?

    Donald probably won’t go quietly, and part of me thinks it is just part of his WWF mode of entertainment. He has dreams to launch a network of his own. Trump TV. He also wants his own radio network. What better way to capture an instant audience and huge market share? Donny is and always has been about the Benjamin’s!

    So now, we are left with sleepy Joe driving the potatoe truck. And lucky us, we get to return to the same exact conditions that allowed a Donald Trump to rise to power in the first place. Joe is going to preside over a collapsing economy and a viral fallout that will probably make the great depression seem like the good old days. But at least he has kamala harris whispering sweet nothings in his ear. The DNC’s young prodigal prosecutor who made a living imprisoning poor black super predators just waits in the wings, like a gargoyle, perched above the oval office, ready for Joe to slip into irreversible cognitive decline. America gets what it deserves. every. single. time.

    Maybe Donald should at least pardon Julian Assange as one last fuck you to the Democrats as he storms out of the white house? I am sure he has something up his sleeve for the next 16 days.

    #67690

    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    @teri

    I didn’t make any excuses for Trump. Seems you read me wrong.

    #67691

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    @madamski: a brilliant effort at connecting the dots. The CHS piece you referenced reveals the key ingredient – and your analysis ties it together. Everyone should read and re-read what you have written.

    I would emphasize (through my own direct experiences in upper management in corporate America) that processes are created by PEOPLE who feast on the meaningful and valuable contributions of others. They pretend to be the source of the successes/results generated. Evil is what happens when liars/pretenders believe the lies they tell. Since they are not truly the source of results/accomplishments, they insert processes as faux contributions. One day I came to understand that I no longer wanted to feed the beast – and put my efforts into building an enterprise of my own.

    #67692

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    @ teri: appreciate the additional perspective. Donald had a role in complicating the Assange matter; it was all driven by his ego – since he was crazy-mad and determined to reverse any and all Obama positions including this one. We can hold Trump accountable for it – right here and now! Sidenote: I honestly don’t understand why/how your comments seem to ruffle feathers – must admit that it gives me a chuckle when it happens.

    @Mr House: RE: “Its the age of fraud Teri, i don’t think any of us really has any idea of what the truth is these days. Times are gone for honest men/women.” No. We just have to work harder at finding TRUTH. This site is one example of shining LIGHT on what’s real – as the commenters make it a rich experience by sharing their reality. We expand our awareness with every post.

    OM Shanti to my Covid impacted parents! Dad died on Christmas morning and Mom was just released from the COVID section of their fancy care facility (in Ohio) to a rehab unit…Never to return to their sweet little assisted living apartment. We told 90 year old Mom about Dad’s passing on Zoom. So sad. Here’s to the “Greatest Generation” folks who are the original butt-kickers!

    #67693

    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I prefer a pool of free expression with all of the chaos and cacophony it generates over a clearly stated, top-down corporate/government controlled “official narrative” every day of the week. 😉

    #67694

    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    mRNA vaccines are the biggest and riskiest genetic engineering experiment of all time.

    Diamonds aren’t forever, genes are. So-called ‘Messenger RNA’ ( mRNA) based vaccines are designed to alter genetic code. So, put those two ideas together and see what you come up with . You got it . Forever is a long time. Anything introduced by that mRNA into the main code DNA of the cell is now part of that cell’s blue print. If it’s something good, hey, swell ! But if it’s not so good . . . or even deadly, tough luck.
    So-called “messenger” RNA takes a bit of genetic code and places it in the cell’s DNA so that every time that cell replicates itself the “newly revised” DNA is replicated right along with it. Like, forever. Or at least until that line of cells dies out completely . As in “end of the line”. A typical vaccine delivers a few billion of those little makers in one go. Allowing an average of 7 days between human cell divisions, and just thumb-nail the arithmetic for how long it takes for the recipient to be a whole new and improved version of themselves, the version with permanently modified DNA throughout their organism..
    No matter how great the odds are for only mostly good results , the odds for getting a bad result damned well better be absolute zero, or else you are toast. Think of it as playing Russian roulette with a really big revolver that holds millions upon millions of empty chambers and only a few dozen bullets ( the odds in your favor look GREAT!) . . . . . BUT you must now pull the trigger non-stop, over and over again, forever. Oops. Better call your bookie and cancel that bet because the odds just took a major U-Turn for the worse.
    You get the picture.
    So the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines might be just fine, or maybe not. Who knows ? That’s why it’s called an experiment. If it doesn’t work out, well then a few million (or a few hundred million) people might die prematurely, but if it does work (to their way of thinking at least) then the Gateway to the glorious future of injectable genetic engineering is thrown wide open. Wahoo ! Jillionaires would call that a ” Win-Win” situation.
    It isn’t, of course. By which I mean to say clearly that it is not the imagined ” win-win” that they believe it is. Notice that I say they believe it is rather than think it is. If they were actually thinking they would see that the unstoppable chain of causal-effect events they’re setting in motion eventually includes them, too. Them as individual human creatures. It’s their DNA too, ya know?
    They understand the science of it just well enough to support an unwarranted belief that the experiment will get them more of what they want. And they are simply too stupid to do the math which proves beyond shadow of doubt that the experiment (when carried out) will result in the exact opposite.
    They will lose everything of value that they ever wanted, because, like I said, diamonds aren’t forever. Genes are.

    #67695

    Geppetto
    Participant

    @ Susiemarie108

    So sorry for your loss!

    🙁

    OM Shanti

    #67696

    WES
    Participant

    @teri:

    For a different perspective, read a comment I wrote yesterday trying to explain that President Trump has never had control of the Department of Justice nor the FBI. He still doesn’t! Evidence Barr!

    The Uniparty controls and still firmly controls the DofJ and FBI! (i.e. Mitch!)

    Blaming President Trump for jailing Julian is exactly what the Uniparty wants you to believe!

    You are just repeating their lie!

    #67697

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    @teri: my TAE Friend, please stop apologizing for BEing yourself. LOVE, Susan

    #67698

    Noirette
    Participant

    France. (Quoted up top. France-Soir is sort of ‘rebel,’ even dissident media.)

    A while ago, Macron asked to meet Pr. Didier Raoult (the hydroxychloroquine guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult….)

    Raoult, admired by a large section of F ppl, made Macron travel to Marseille, he, R, refused to go to Paris, too busy. Nobody quite knows what they discussed, R spoke about it in vague terms, but it made an impression for sure. (Macron may be wily in some ways but he is totally ignorant in many areas, and is poor at math, a handicap in finance and medecine..)

    Maybe ‘common sense’ (whatever that is, it is not hysteria about ‘cases’, a rush to lock the population up, buy a pile of non functioning vaccines..) is getting a bit of a grip. Or maybe not, there is, a-hem, pressure to later roll out a French Vax!

    Généralistes (family docs, paid by the State) are being paid 5.40 Euros for every covid-vax, as it entails:

    – a consult, meeting the person
    – obtaining their signature on a consentment form (so presumably some ‘explanation’ etc.)
    – entering all details of vax (type, lot, no.) and person into a national data base. So there is a real follow-up (some might call it a vaccine trial writ large.)

    The MSM is screaming about the scandal of almost-no or go-slow vax, Germany way better, etc. Macron himself has been going on about the ‘shameful’ performance re. the vax, so who is he blaming? Err?

    Macron has been pegged as governing like in a ‘start-up’ in this case, Nation. So apt, some lower guy in charge of some data-base or other is castigated and then either grudgingly forgiven or fired, to be replaced with a clone, who has a nicer hair-style and brings in ‘fresh’ (chirpy but stale) ideas.

    Besides that, there have been several doctors (well-known ones), and other med. personnel, advocating in public for the kind of approach outlined in the article, and they have a HUGE following.

    #67699

    madamski
    Participant

    @ teri

    “it is de rigeur” is strong language, teri. Maybe you could at least replace “it is” with ‘it seems’.

    There are occasional comments made here regarding Trump that indicate some faith that he has good intentions and the ability to make them happen. Occasional. Most Trump analysis here focuses on how Trump is used by both parties as a way to hide from the public the lousy, hopelessly corrupt shititude of both parties. After all, if either party had allowed even a remotely qualified candidate to make it either into the primaries (the GOP and its clown-car calvacade, with Ron Paul at that time being a spent force they merely tolerated) or to enjoy their rightful win (DNC vs. Bernie), Trump would’ve humiliated himself running for president by losing big-time.

    fwiw, “Under the Obama Administration, the Department of Justice did not indict Assange because it was unable to find any evidence that his actions differed from those of a journalist.[169] However, after Trump took power, CIA director Mike Pompeo and Attorney General Jeff Sessions stepped up pursuit of Assange.”

    Considering how Trump has been stymied most of the times he tried to do something (for whatever reason, selfish NPD ego-feeding or a fit of moral flirtation) that went against efforts by the Deep State (what we oldsters used to call The Establishment) to continue militarily dominating the world even if it meant WWIII, I cannot see an airtight case against Trump for the Assange decisions made by Pompeo and Sessions. This is not at all to say that Trump cares about Assangre one way or another. He didn’t denounce or rescind those decisions, after all. I’ve survived close (but not intimate) relations with a major NPD, and went through some major hell getting past it. So I have no belief in Trump as a moral champion. I like to think I know a major creep when I see one.

    But the wikileaks revelations have already happened. Trump has no logical reason not to pardon Assange unless he knows or believes Assange has a “dead man switch” of the kind of kompromat that can get a person killed or at least financially ruin them.

    Also, “In November 2010, Sweden issued an international arrest warrant for Assange over allegations of sexual assault.[8] Assange said the allegations were a pretext for him to be extradited from Sweden to the United States because of his role in publishing secret American documents.[9][10]”

    Assuming Assange is being honest and properly informed here (highly likely, considering Assange’s history and subsequent events), I would not let Obama, prez in 2010, off the hook either.

    Frankly, I don’t understand why people waste their time arguing over which creep’s bunghole is stinkiest. They all stink, including Trump. There is, however, a kind of grudging affection for Trump among people like me simply because his personality makes him an outsider anywhere he goes, including the Oval Office, and this outside erraticism, driven by his hopelessly deranged ego and possible encroaching senility, makes him someone who naturally stymies the duopoly’s plans — and those plans are as bad or worse than anything a mere aging NPD playboy, with insecure delusions of grandeur, could come up with.

    A rogue snake is in some ways better than an entire roomfull of snakes working together to bite your ass.

    I for one have some hope that Trump will pardon Assange because a) it potentially could give him some political capital, and b) Trump is an unpredictable lunatic. It seems that unpredictable lunacy is our last faint hope for dear Julian and his poor family. Biden obviously won’t pardon Assange unless plans are in place to assassinate him shortly after release.

    ^&*

    @ Susmarie108

    CHSmith has a knack for concise clarity. I read the quote and lingtning struck. I had planned to avoid TAE for a few days but couldn’t resist sharing it. And now here I am defending a bloated lunatic as the last gasp hope for something other than the Establishment Steamroller paving over what’s left of our constitution or whatever-the-hell this wacky nation was founded on.

    An anecdote: long ago, way back in the 80s, a woman I know worked for what was then called Ma Bell: AT&T. Her old boss left. New boss came in. He was oddly honest. He said:

    “I don’t care what you do so long as it makes me look good.”

    Internet porn was not yet invented so we are not sure what he did with all that spare time in the office while his workers made him look good. But, she says, he was the best boss she ever had. Well-meaning competence had no place in the corporate structure, and this guy at least left them alone.

    #67700

    madamski
    Participant

    @ D Benton Smith

    “mRNA vaccines are the biggest and riskiest genetic engineering experiment of all time.”

    That we know of. Having been raised in a secret underground government Marvel Comics franchise laboratory, I know whereof I speak. 😉

    #67701

    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Frankly, I don’t understand why people waste their time arguing over which creep’s bunghole is stinkiest. They all stink, including Trump.”

    Amen to that!

    #67702

    WES
    Participant

    Susmarie108 & Teri:

    I know you both want Julian out of jail! So do I! So we are actually on the same side!

    My difference of opinion with yours is only that the evidence shows it is the deep state (Uniparty) that needs to keep Julian locked up, not Trump! They own the motive, not Trump!

    The same group that 100% opposes outsider President Trump!

    Once free, Julian can easily expose the deep state’s lie that Russia didn’t hack the DNC. Remember Seth Rich? Seth can’t talk now but Julian sure can!

    Also please realize in the real world of Uniparty politics, President Trump has never been able to get any of his choices for AG confirmed by the senate (I.e. Mitch).

    What really happens is Mitch gives President Trump a short list of pre-selected Uniparty approved candidates from which the President can choose from, and which Mitch will get the senate to confirm.

    If Trump suggests someone not on the list, Mitch just says he can’t get that person confirmed. So President Trump has never had his own AG, only Uniparty AGs!

    This what I am trying to get you to see! It’s the Uniparty that needs to keep Julian locked up!! Not Trump!

    #67703

    kultsommer
    Participant

    @ phoenixvoice.
    Interesting non-addressed reply (I assume).
    There is Rockwell’s painting “Freedom of speech” as an IDEAL what does it represent (which I am wholeheartedly for as long as it comes from informed person and not from emotional train wreck) and there is a REALITY of Walmart scene (for the lack of better description).
    Nowhere that I implied a preference for the “top down” other than being fully aware that wast mass of uniformed people is great ally to those who want destroy everything that makes us human.

    #67704

    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    madamski

    To quote an old witchy woman from the Ozarks,

    “All solutions are experimental, and all results are information.”

    #67705

    straightwalker
    Participant

    @D Benton Smith
    witchy woman speak good
    @madamski
    NPD? I am suffering from Newly Perplexed Disorder.

    #67706

    madamski
    Participant

    Words of Wisdom

    Don’t ask me. I only shirk here.

    #67707

    Geppetto
    Participant

    @straightwalker

    She’s just using that big brain to tantalize you bro. The beautiful peak that is madamski can not be scaled by a mere mortal man. You can try and I will watch. And you already know how I feel about big brained women. hahahahaha!

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