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  • in reply to: What It Means To Be Human #94917
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    Former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan and whistleblower Craig Murray was released from prison last week, after serving four months for contempt of court over some blog posts. He was “the only civil [non-criminal] prisoner out of 900 inmates.”

    “I was confined in a cell, which was 12 feet by 8 feet. I was confined in that for a minimum of 22 hours a day. For much of the period of 23 hours a day, with very little association with other prisoners,” he said…

    Prisoners in the cells on each side of Murray became ill with COVID, though the cells themselves are not “hermetically sealed” and the window, which is separated by bars, cannot open to let in fresh air.

    Murray said staff discouraged prisoners, even the symptomatic ones, from asking to be tested in an environment Murray described as “filthy” with rats scurrying around cells.

    https://thedissenter.org/exclusive-whistleblower-craig-murray-experience-scottish-prison/

    He posted this on twitter today, after travelling to London for the Assange ruling:
    Another very hard day; feel shattered. Tomorrow morning we wake up and we start to fight again, with more energy, more determination and more cunning. And we do that every single day until the people win.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 10 2021 #94877
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    @ mpsk

    This article is from a group of doctors:

    A practical approach to keeping healthy after your Covid-19 jab
    https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/a-practical-approach-to-keeping-healthy-after-your-covid-19-jab/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 10 2021 #94859
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    “How can it be fair, how can it be right, how can it be possible, to extradite Julian to the very country which plotted to kill him?” said Stella Moris. Mark this day as fascism casts off its disguises.
    — John Pilger

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 10 2021 #94857
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    It’s a big club…

    ASSANGE JUDGE IS 40-YEAR ‘GOOD FRIEND’ OF MINISTER WHO ORCHESTRATED HIS ARREST
    https://declassifieduk.org/assange-judge-is-40-year-good-friend-of-minister-who-orchestrated-his-arrest/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 9 2021 #94795
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    WES, good question, I looked for an update and couldn’t find one.

    These graphs show results from the original study, with negative efficiency (more likely for the vaxxed to get infected) during the first 13 days after the first injection, and efficiency dipping back into negative territory at month 7.


    Figure 2. Effectiveness of the BNT162b2 Vaccine.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 9 2021 #94769
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    Henry: “Thus only the most Vaxxed are the most pure. Have others on this site seen this behavior?”

    While checking in for a recent medical appointment, I couldn’t avoid hearing a woman further down the check-in counter proclaiming that she wanted to make sure her records showed that she got all three Covid injections plus the latest flu shot. She seemed self-satisfied and proud, instead of worried about the records.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 7 2021 #94619
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    COVID Infection Fatality Rates By Sex And Age
    (using data from the journal Nature)


    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 7 2021 #94618
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    Saul Goodman: “Is type 1 really something that would mix poorly if she got covid? I would think the vax itself is riskier than covid?”

    This graph (Figure 1) could be useful for a diabetic person to estimate their risk of mortality from a Covid-19 infection.

    The study data shows that a diabetic person of age 50, for example, has the same mortality risk (from a Covid-19 infection) as a non-diabetic person whose age is in the range of 60-66. From another source (a paper published in the journal Nature on November 2, 2020, “Age-specific mortality and immunity patterns of SARS-CoV-2”), the Infection Fatality Rate for a female of age 60-64 is 0.318 which means the survival rate is around 99.7% for diabetic people of age 50. (Keep in mind that the overall Covid survival rates have improved since then.)


    The disproportionate excess mortality risk of COVID-19 in younger people with diabetes…
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7885981/

    Note
    The “OpenSAFELY” line on the graph uses combined data for Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, while the other lines are based on data for Type 2 diabetes.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 7 2021 #94571
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    Some data from a big study in Israel was published a couple days ago, and Karl Denninger looked at it and found:

    …among infections that matter being boosted had negative or no efficiency when it comes to severe outcomes for everyone under 60!

    …BEING JABBED AFTER RECOVERING INCREASES YOUR RISK OF A SEVERE OUTCOME.

    …While being jabbed after recovery is claimed to produce “superior” results (“hybrid immunity”) the data says that’s flat-out bull****… there is no statistical evidence that being jabbed after recovery helps and evidence it HARMS BY AS MUCH AS A DOUBLE in terms of the risk of severe outcome.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=244442

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 6 2021 #94500
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    Dora: “I’d like to know what’s in those Pfizer contracts.”

    Public Citizen published a report with links to some unredacted Pfizer contracts. (I removed the links here to avoid the spam filter).

    [5] Albania-Pfizer Contract Draft, (“Albania Draft Contract”), (Jan. 6 2021) .. The final provisions of the agreement may have differed from this draft. However, given similarities between this draft and the other reviewed agreements, we believe the modifications, if any, were likely not substantial. The contract was first leaked on Twitter, and then shared widely in the press.

    [6] Brazil-Pfizer Contract (“Brazil Contract”), (March 15 2021)… The contract was leaked online and later covered by The Guardian in August. See e.g., https://tinyurl.com/yupsz2j4.

    [7] Colombia-Pfizer Contract (“Colombia Contract”), (Feb. 2 2021), … The contract was leaked in the Colombian Media in August. https://tinyurl.com/4vswvrz4. It is currently referenced in the UNICEF Vaccine Market Dashboard.

    [8] Chile-Pfizer Contract (“Chile Contract”) (Dec. 1 2021), … A Chilean transparency initiative published a redacted version of the contract.

    [9] Dominican Republic-Pfizer Contract (“D.R. Contract”) (Oct. 29 2020), … Knowledge Ecology International obtained the contract through a freedom of information law request.

    [10] The text was subject to the approval of the Dominican Republican National Congress, which reportedly approved the text with no objections. Pfizer and AstraZeneca, The Game of Contracts with Small Print, Dominican Today…

    [11] European Commission-Pfizer Contract (“E.C. Contract”) (Nov. 20 2020), https://tinyurl.com/3bph89wy. The Italian public broadcaster RAI published the EC Contract in April.

    [12] 15.5 EUR.

    [13] Peru-Pfizer Contract (“Peru Contract”) (Sept. 17 2020), … The Bureau of Investigative Journalism published the contract.

    [14] United States-Pfizer Contract (“U.S. Contract”) (July 21 2020),… The contract is available on the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services website.

    [15] United Kingdom-Pfizer Contract (“U.K Contract”) (Oct. 10 2020),… This likely is the definitive agreement that follows on from initial agreement announced in July. The contract is available on the U.K government website.

    https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9b708ddb-d34d-4dfa-95e4-d4d672a82a1b

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 6 2021 #94495
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    The latest from el gato malo:

    the last time tony fauci was pushing masks for disease mitigation
    he was making up his facts and scare mongering too

    many of you are probably too young to remember the AIDS panic of the 80’s.

    but when it came out, the NIH, with tony fauci leading the charge, was getting literally everything wrong.

    they pushed a narrative of fear, vilified the infected, interfered with the development and adoption of effective treatments, and completely misrepresented spread and mitigation.

    it’s how we wound up with absolute garbage like this ad…


    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-last-time-tony-fauci-was-pushing

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 5 2021 #94454
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    28X increase in stillbirths in multiple parts of Canada
    But get this… it’s only happening to vaccinated moms. I wonder what is causing this? Nobody has a clue. When Canada’s top health official was asked for evidence, she said to trust her.

    by Steve Kirsch
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/28x-increase-in-stillbirths-in-multiple

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 5 2021 #94453
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    Two headlines, one seems misleading:

    Two Israeli doctors test positive for Omicron COVID variant
    Both doctors were fully vaccinated with three shots of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine [including the booster].

    — The Jerusalem Post, December 1, 2021

    Two of the state’s first three cases of omicron variant did not have booster shots
    — Baltimore Sun, December 4, 2021

    [But, 3 out of 4 fully-vaxxed people in Maryland have not been injected with the booster.]

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 5 2021 #94444
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    “Ursula Van Der Leyen, the head of the EU commission, told the press on Wednesday that she is in favour of scrapping the long-standing Nuremburg Code and forcing people to get vaccinated against COVID.”

    Forcing people to get the injections would be a way of avoiding the “embarrassment” of having pre-purchased more vaxx than the EU really needed for 2022 and 2023.

    April 23, 2021 [cityam.com]
    EU to seal world’s biggest ever vaccine deal with Pfizer
    Under the deal, the bloc will buy up 1.8bn doses of the Pfizer-Biontech’s vaccine, adding to the 600m shots it has already contracted from the firms. European Commission president Ursula van der Leyen said that the doses would be delivered over the next two years.

    May 8, 2021 [Twitter]
    Ursula von der Leyen
    @vonderleyen
    Happy to announce that @EU_Commission has just approved a contract for guaranteed 900 million doses (+900 million options) with @BioNTech_Group @Pfizer for 2021-2023.
    Other contracts and other vaccine technologies will follow.

    Public Citizen has a report with links to the unredacted agreements Pfizer made with various governments, including the European Commission.

    https://www.citizen.org/news/report-how-pfizer-silences-world-governments-in-vaccine-negotiations/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 5 2021 #94418
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    Eric Topol: “About 5 million children age 5-11 now vaccinated with their first dose (nearly ~1 million with 2nd dose) and I’ve yet to see a case of myocarditis reported”

    What has been reported to VAERS, for ages 5-11, are 2,586 adverse events (so far), including 34 rated as serious and 2 reported deaths.

    U.S. VAERS data from Dec. 14, 2020, to Nov. 26, 2021 for 5- to 11-year-olds show:

    2,586 adverse events, including 34 rated as serious and 2 reported deaths. One death occurred in an 11-year-old girl from Georgia vaccinated Sept. 14, prior to the authorization of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine in the 5 to 11 age group.

    The second death (VAERS I.D. 1890705) occurred in a 5-year-old girl who died four days after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.

    1,581 adverse events have been reported in the 5 to 11 age group since Nov. 1.

    https://siliconforest.ca/from-the-latest-vaers-report/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 4 2021 #94376
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    News from the British Medical Journal BMJ:

    Evidence is insufficient to back mandatory NHS staff vaccination, says House of Lords committee
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2957

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 3 2021 #94341
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    Maxwell Quest: “Not only do they believe they understand, but they can improve it too.”

    That sounds like the current tinkering being done to the human immune system, with the masses being injected with new technologies having unintended and unforeseen consequences, while ignorance and failure is covered up or ignored. “‘We’re Never Gonna Learn About How Safe The Vaccine Is Until We Start Giving It” [to children age 5-11].

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 3 2021 #94300
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    Newsweek article “Why I’m Not Vaccinated,” by Lisa Boothe:

    HBO’s Bill Maher recently railed against the COVID-related hysteria that has taken over the nation. Maher pointed to a Gallup poll that found 41 percent of Democrats believed the unvaccinated have an over-50 percent risk of hospitalization, but, per Gallup, it’s actually “0.89 percent.” This then raises the obvious question: Is the Biden administration governing by paranoia or based on the actual underlying facts?

    During a July CNN town hall, Biden told the American people, “you’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” This declaration came after a group of fully vaccinated Texas Democratic state legislators turned a visit to Washington, D.C. into a super-spreader event. Shortly after, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky admitted, “unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus.” In August, Walensky told CNN that the vaccines “continue to work well with Delta with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

    …The vaccine helps protect the vaccinated from dying, but it does not protect the vaccinated from either getting or spreading COVID. In other words, it seems clear to many of us that the vaccine is a personal health benefit, not a public health benefit. Therefore, whether to get vaccinated is a profoundly personal decision, not a public health decision. And not everyone is high-risk. There is a more than a thousand-fold difference in the risk of mortality between the old and young. The decision I am making as a healthy 36-year-old is different than the one Joe Biden should make as a 78-year-old. And low-risk Millennials like me comprise the largest generation in the broader U.S. labor force. At a time when America faces a worker shortage and a supply-chain crisis, why would we sideline more workers?

    https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-not-vaccinated-opinion-1648024

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 2 2021 #94258
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    This graph didn’t post in my previous comment:

    From EuroMOMO:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 2 2021 #94257
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    Looking at the excess mortality in Europe (deaths from all causes), these graphs seem striking. For the 15-44 age group, the excess deaths in 2021 (year to date) are more than twice as high as they were in 2020 (year to date).

    Graphs from EuroMOMO:

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 2 2021 #94221
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    Japan starts booster COVID vaccinations amid omicron scare
    Japan has started offering coronavirus vaccine booster shots to health care workers amid growing concerns over a new variant of the virus that has already been detected in the country
    By AP
    Tuesday, Nov 30, 2021

    https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/japan-starts-booster-covid-vaccinations-amid-omicron-scare/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 2 2021 #94217
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    Published at nature.com, a comprehensive investigation found that while Covid vaxxes enhance immune response to the Covid virus, they could be reducing people’s general antiviral ability and leaving their immune systems in a more vulnerable state.

    This is a comprehensive investigation of the pathophysiological changes, including detailed immunological alterations in people after COVID-19 vaccination. Results indicated that vaccination, in addition to stimulating the generation of neutralizing antibodies, also influenced various health indicators including those related to diabetes, renal dysfunction, cholesterol metabolism, coagulation problems, electrolyte imbalance, in a way as if the volunteers experienced an infection. scRNA-seq of PBMCs from volunteers before and after vaccination revealed dramatic changes in immune cell gene expression, not only echoing some of the clinical laboratory measures but also suggestive of increased NF-κB-related inflammatory responses, which turned out to be mainly taking place in classical monocytes. Vaccination also increased classical monocyte contents. Moreover, the gene set positively contributing to MVS scores, also known to be associated with severe symptom development, was highly expressed in monocytes. Type I interferon (IFN-α/β) responses, supposedly beneficial against COVID-19, were downregulated after vaccination. In addition, the negative MVS genes were highly expressed in lymphocytes (T, B, and NK cells), yet showed reduced expression after vaccination. Together, these data suggested that after vaccination, at least by day 28, other than generation of neutralizing antibodies, people’s immune systems, including those of lymphocytes and monocytes, were perhaps in a more vulnerable state.

    …suggesting that perhaps vaccination, while reduced a person’s general antiviral ability, enhanced adaptive immune function specifically towards SARS-CoV-2…

    Our study postulates that it is imperative to consider the potential long-term impact of vaccination to certain medical conditions or to general human health.

    Comprehensive investigations revealed consistent pathophysiological alterations after vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00329-3

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 1 2021 #94171
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    Meanwhile, “30 percent of unvaccinated say omicron has made them consider inoculations: poll” (YAHOO!News)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 1 2021 #94170
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    Image below shows how Omicron case numbers in South Africa might already be peaking? The percentage of sequenced samples that were Omicron has decreased in the past week.

    The report also states that Omicron was first detected in South Africa on November 8.

    Network for Genomic Surveillance in South Africa (NGS-SA)
    SARS-CoV-2 Sequencing Update
    1 December 2021

    https://www.nicd.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Update-of-SA-sequencing-data-from-GISAID-1-Dec-Final.pdf

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 1 2021 #94128
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    Molnupiravir EUA for high risk adults? Almost half of the experts voted “No” because of questionable efficacy and safety concerns.

    FDA Panel Narrowly Backs Merck’s COVID Pill
    — Questions about efficacy, safety were chief among concerns, regardless of how members voted

    A divided FDA advisory panel voted 13-10 to recommend the oral antiviral molnupiravir for emergency use authorization (EUA) for adults at high risk of progressing to severe COVID-19 on Tuesday.

    While votes at the Antimicrobial Drugs Advisory Committee (AMDAC) were largely split, similar questions were raised on both sides of the vote about modest efficacy, especially in light of other available treatments…

    Of particular concern to the “no” voters was not only that efficacy against hospitalization and death declined from the interim analysis submitted to the FDA (48% relative risk reduction) to the final analysis (30% reduction), but that when examining only the data from the post-interim analysis enrollment, there were fewer placebo patients who were hospitalized or died by day 29 versus patients receiving the intervention (4.7% vs 6.2%, respectively)…

    For other committee members, potential mutagenicity was an issue, which the committee also discussed, but did not vote on… James Hildreth, MD, PhD, of Meharry Medical College in Nashville, was unequivocal: “It’s an easy vote for me to vote no. Genotoxicity and mutagenicity data raise more questions than answers,” he said…

    The FDA does not have to follow the advice of its advisory committees, but it often does.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/95944

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 30 2021 #94042
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    I prefer calling it “imprinting” instead of the confusing “original antigenic sin,” but it explains how the vaxxes could backfire when faced with variants like Omicron.

    The Original Antigenic Sin: How the vaccines might be making COVID-19 worse
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-original-antigenic-sin-how-the-vaccines-might-be-making-covid-19-worse/

    From that article: “I argue that the corners cut in the vaccine trials and manufacture under Operation Warp Speed (OWS), in order to reduce the timelines, may have resulted in sub-optimal harmful vaccines being brought to society.”

    If fast-tracking the vaxx development from the usual 11+ years to only one year (as done for the existing vaxxes) was achieved by “cutting corners” in the trials and manufacture, then I would expect more corners to be cut to develop an Omicron vaxx in 3 months..

    10 days discovery + 30 days trials + 42 days manufacturing = 82 days, according to this graphic:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFNgC9PVcAMKw0T?format=jpg&name=small

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 28 2021 #93923
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    Some anagrams:

    OMICRON = MORONIC

    OMICRON SCARIANT = MORONIC CIA RANTS

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 28 2021 #93873
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    It turns out that the mutagenic drug Molnupiravir isn’t so effective against Covid.

    From Trial Site News:

    Merck and Ridgeback Report Full Phase 3 Analysis for Oral Antiviral COVID Pill; Efficacy Plunges from Interim Analysis

    The full data show molnupiravir reduced the risk of hospitalization or death for patients with mild or moderate COVID-19 by about 30%, based on a study of more than 1,400 adults. Last month, an interim analysis showed about 50% efficacy, based on data from 775 patients.

    So the benefits are less than touted in Merck’s press release, but what about the risks?

    Below is a related article in Forbes, by William A. Haseltine (“For nearly two decades, I was a professor at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health where I founded two academic research departments, the Division of Biochemical Pharmacology and the Division of Human Retrovirology. I am perhaps most well known for my work on cancer, HIV/AIDS, genomics and, today, on COVID-19.”)

    Harming Those Who Receive It: The Dangers Of Molnupiravir (Part 2)

    Yesterday I wrote about the potential dangers the antiviral drug molnupiravir could unleash by supercharging new SARS-CoV-2 variants. Today, my focus is on the people who may receive the drug as a treatment and the possibility that molnupiravir could lead to cancerous tumors in those patients and birth defects in the unborn.

    Molnupiravir is a relatively new drug, initially developed as an antiviral treatment for influenza…

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/11/02/harming-those-who-receive-it-the-dangers-of-molnupiravir-part-2/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 27 2021 #93827
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    “The new Omicron variant of the coronavirus results in mild disease, without prominent syndromes.”
    “It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well. So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough.”

    JOHANNESBURG: The new Omicron variant of the coronavirus results in mild disease, without prominent syndromes, Angelique Coetzee, the chairwoman of the South African Medical Association, told Sputnik on Saturday.

    The World Health Organization (WHO) identified on Friday the new South African strain as one of concern, as it is reported to carry a high number of mutations — 32 — which possibly makes it more transmissible and dangerous. The WHO has dubbed it Omicron, the 15th letter of the Greek alphabet.

    “It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well. So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms. Of those infected some are currently being treated at home,” Coetzee said
    The official noted that hospitals have not been overburdened by Omicron patients

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/south-african-medical-association-says-omicron-variant-causes-mild-disease/articleshow/87949404.cms

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 26 2021 #93674
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    Catastrophic Sport Injury (non-traumatic) in the US

    There’s a national organization which tallies the number of catastrophic sport injuries “in organized sports in the United States at the collegiate, high school, and youth levels of play.” It’s the National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research (NCCSIR), and their annual reports show fatality numbers for each year (not yet including 2021), which could be a good baseline to see whether 2021 was worse.

    Their most recent report shows the following numbers of fatalities (exertional/medical, not traumatic), for the entire USA, across the wide range of organized sports:

    Fatalities, High School
    2017-2018: 11
    2018-2019: 13
    2019-2020: 11

    Fatalities, College
    2017-2018: 3
    2018-2019: 9
    2019-2020: 1

    p. 40-41
    https://nccsir.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/5614/2021/11/2020-Catastrophic-Report-AS-38th-AY2019-2020-FINAL.pdf

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 25 2021 #93619
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    Lower household transmission rates of SARS-CoV-2 from children compared to adults

    There was no significant difference in the seropositivity rate of adult index-cases compared to children and adolescents…

    The Secondary Attack Rate (SAR) of the 17 index-cases <18 years… was significantly lower compared to the 126 adult index-cases …

    There was no transmission from an index-person < 18 years to a household contact < 18 years (0/7), but 26 transmission from adult index-cases to household contacts < 18 years (26/71, SAR 0•37)…

    Households with children and adolescents were significantly less likely to be completely seropositive compared to households without children (p = 0•0188, see Table 2)…

    This supports existing evidence that children are not only less likely to develop severe disease courses but also are less susceptible and less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2.

    https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00209-7/fulltext

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 25 2021 #93618
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    Ethics of vaccine refusal, published in the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics.

    Abstract
    Proponents of vaccine mandates typically claim that everyone who can be vaccinated has a moral or ethical obligation to do so for the sake of those who cannot be vaccinated, or in the interest of public health. I evaluate several previously undertheorised premises implicit to the ‘obligation to vaccinate’ type of arguments and show that the general conclusion is false: there is neither a moral obligation to vaccinate nor a sound ethical basis to mandate vaccination under any circumstances, even for hypothetical vaccines that are medically risk-free. Agent autonomy with respect to self-constitution has absolute normative priority over reduction or elimination of the associated risks to life. In practical terms, mandatory vaccination amounts to discrimination against healthy, innate biological characteristics, which goes against the established ethical norms and is also defeasible a priori.

    https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2021/10/20/medethics-2020-107026.long

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2021 #93167
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    sumac.carol: “it is pretty easy to see a number of reasons why there would be differences between the groups in addition to vax status”

    Yes, here a couple potential reasons, off the top of my head:

    1. The unvaxxed might be more likely to self-treat and stay away from medical facilities as much as possible, leading to higher degrees of illness in those who do come in for testing.

    2. The vaxxed might be more likely to stay away from crowded situations where the virus could spread.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2021 #93156
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    “Pfizer is conducting a new study with 2634 participants into the efficacy of its PF-07321332 protease inhibitor drug in multi drug combination with HIV drug Ritonavir, against recent Covid-19 infection in the unvaccinated.”

    Pfizer’s drug is a very expensive antiviral. Ritonavir is a cheap antiviral.

    “Pfizer’s COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Cost $529 per Course… If authorized or approved, PAXLOVID will be administered at a dose of 300mg (two 150mg tablets) of PF-07321332 with one 100mg tablet of ritonavir, given twice daily for five days.”

    Pfizer’s drug will be given with the existing antiviral drug Ritonavir which is currently available as a generic at a cost of $3 or less per 100 mg tablet. Pfizer’s clinical trials are comparing the combination of two antivirals (PF-07321332 plus Ritonavir) to a placebo. I think they should be comparing the combination of two antivirals to Ritonavir by itself. Otherwise, how can they know whether PF-07321332 adds a significant benefit above what the existing (and cheap) antiviral Ritonavir would provide by itself?

    A Study of PF-07321332/Ritonavir in Nonhospitalized High Risk Adult Participants With COVID-19
    https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04960202

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2021 #93152
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    chooch: “Is there any validity to this caveat in your opinion?”

    I’m not a statistician, and I just skimmed part of that article, but IMHO there is some validity to the caveats:

    For many reasons, there will be differences, possibly quite large ones, between the group of people who are vaccinated and the group who are not vaccinated, apart from the difference in vaccination status. So any difference in the rate of testing positive in the two groups could, in whole or in part, be caused by those other differences and not the vaccines at all…

    …and those caveats also apply to conclusions about how wonderfully effective the vaccines are (for keeping people out of the hospital, etc.), as reported in countless media articles. “Funny” how the caveats are being brought to the forefront now that the vaccine effectiveness isn’t looking so good.

    https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-preprint-with-results-from-round-15-of-the-react-1-study-on-sars-cov-2-prevalence-in-england/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2021 #93143
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    maryballon: “the source of the quote”

    One source:
    https://me582.wordpress.com/2021/10/26/what-financial-lies-lie-behind-covid-19/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 20 2021 #93041
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Susmarie108: “…Doc R – why do you think the numbers in New Mexico so different from those in other states? The unvax are the majority hospitalized!” [from yesterday’s comments]

    Actually, my impression is that the official numbers for most (if not all) states in the US are showing that “the unvax are the majority hospitalized” with Covid.

    In the UK, however, where the data collection is much more comprehensive and consistent, there are headlines like this one (from today’s Debt Rattle):

    • Official UK Data Says COVID Infection Rates Higher in Vaxxed Than Unvaxxed [for the over 30’s]
    “…this would mean the vaxxed and unvaxxed pose a comparable danger to each other… the official data undermines the entire argument behind vaccine passports”

    But the same UK reports say that hospitalization rates are still higher for the unvaxxed. This data supports the conclusion that the benefits of the vaxxes are more personal (reducing one’s own risk of hospitalization with Covid, for example) instead of benefitting society by slowing down and stopping the pandemic. This still leaves open the question of whether the purported benefits of the vaxxes outweigh the risks (which are not fully known).

    The benefits and the risks both depend on individual characteristics (age, comorbidities, etc.) so it should be an individual assessment instead of a blanket prescription for everyone. Moreover, different people have different thresholds for acceptable risk. It’s obvious that many people, after considering the risks, would decide to take their chances with getting a Covid infection, rather than subject themselves to the risks of the vaxxes.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2021 #92998
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    “According to the [New Mexico” health department’s most recent report on vaccinations, 90.6% of hospitalizations for COVID-19 are among people who are not fully vaccinated, as are 94.8% of deaths.”

    The most recent report for New Mexico now shows that 82% of hospitalizations with Covid-19 (not necessarily for Covid-19) are not fully vaccinated, and 71% of deaths (with Covid-19 as a significant contributor to death) were not fully vaccinated, during the week of November 8-15.

    29% of the recent Covid-19 deaths in New Mexico are thus in the fully vaccinated.

    (Calculated from the Covid-19 Health and Social Characteristics Reports for Nov 8th and Nov 15.)
    https://cv.nmhealth.org/epidemiology-reports/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2021 #92949
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    “During the week of November 1, UHS diagnosed 198 new cases, with 27% of all tests performed coming back positive. The week of November 8, there were 313 new cases, and the positive test rate increased to 37%.”

    All those negative test results (for the flu) suggest that there are lots of Covid-vaxxed students with flu-like respiratory illnesses (prompting the students to get tested for the flu).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2021 #92947
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Regarding the flu outbreak among the 98% Covid-vaxxed students, “an outbreak of this size so early in flu season is concerning.”

    The first positive test was on October 6, according to the college’s newspaper The University Record. Since then, 528 cases have been diagnosed by the University Health Service (UHS) on campus, with a large upswing over the past two weeks. During the week of November 1, UHS diagnosed 198 new cases, with 27% of all tests performed coming back positive. The week of November 8, there were 313 new cases, and the positive test rate increased to 37%.

    It’s normal for cases of the flu to start going up as early as October—with flu activity typically peaking between December and February, per the CDC—but an outbreak of this size so early in flu season is concerning. “While we often start to see some flu activity now, the size of this outbreak is unusual”… The strain behind the Michigan outbreak is a subtype of the influenza A virus called H3N2, The University Record reports…

    When it comes to distinguishing the flu from COVID-19, the illnesses can present so similarly that the only way to know is with diagnostic testing, according to the CDC. Overlapping symptoms include fever, chills, headache, fatigue, sore throat, runny or stuffy nose, cough, trouble breathing, and muscle or body aches. One differentiating symptom is losing your sense of smell or taste, which is more common with COVID-19 (though it can sometimes occur with the flu too, the CDC says). And it is possible to be infected with both at the same time, per the CDC.

    https://www.self.com/story/university-of-michigan-flu-outbreak

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