Raúl Ilargi Meijer
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Wow! He has really shaken things up with his 5 star party coming third in the election. Well done!
Actually, Cinque Stelle is the largest “party”. Both Bersani and Berlusconi ran with coalitions of multiple parties.
Then again, Cinque Stelle isn’t really a party, it’s a movement.
In fact, since Monti didn’t have a party either, none of the 4 biggest vote-getters were political parties.
Well, Moody’s did it: The UK lost its AAA status.
Good time to go back to the link I posted earlier in this thread, Losing Our AAA Rating Could Mean Bank Collapse And Deflation. From that link:
Banks in this country are doubly exposed, because regulators have forced them to hold vast amounts of UK government debt.
If that is true in the UK, it is even more so in Spain, which had/has a shadow policy to have its banks apply for EU money in order to buy sovereign bonds; a nice topic for Dave to run with.
Well, deflation’s a popular topic all of a sudden. Not that the pundits seem to have a grip on the topic.
Losing our AAA rating could mean bank collapse and deflation
The one thing worse than a downgrade leading to yields dropping is a downgrade leading to them spiking, and there is no guarantee that for the UK the reaction would be the former. UK growth prospects are already terrible, and our banks are much more extended than US ones, while British households are more indebted than those in France. Furthermore, the AAA rating is central to the UK’s international reputation as a finance centre.
If our growth prospects deteriorate even further, then without even higher inflation, UK households will default on their mortgages, bankrupting British banks and thereby bankrupting the Government if it stands behind the banks. We have already seen that happen in Ireland and Spain. It could happen here, too.
Banks in this country are doubly exposed, because regulators have forced them to hold vast amounts of UK government debt. Even relatively modest rises in government bond yields, implying some fall in government bond prices, would impose huge losses on UK banks. The Bank of England has suggested that UK banks already need £60bn of extra capital. Taking large losses on UK government bonds could push them over the edge.
Bulgaria succumbs to euro deflation curse
Another euro-pegged government defending an overvalued exchange rate bites the dust, a reminder that the underlying economic and social disaster across the Europe’s Arc of Depression is still getting worse.
Bulgarian prime minister Boiko Borisov resigned this morning after days of mass protests against austerity across the country.
“I will not participate in a government under which police are beating people. Every drop of blood is a shame for us,” he said. “Our power was handed to us by the people, today we are handing it back to them.”
What we see happen with insurance is the exact same as what happens to pensions. Both are exposed as mere Ponzi schemes. Which work fine for a while, until there are no longer enough new buyers. An added factor in the case of pensions and insurance (and certainly for swaps and other derivatives) is the declining economy.
I updated the Beppe Grillo article by inserting a Wall Street Journal video interview. Maybe that makes his positions clearer. In my view, no matter what anyone may think of him, his ideas are very interesting. He’s the first person in a position near to power who’s ever said what he does. And by next weekend we’ll know just how much influence those ideas will have on Italy, which means Europe, which means the whole world.
I must say, I’m surprised the article gets so little attention. Italy is not located on the other side of the world or the dark side of the moon.
I’d say anyone who thinks what drives today’s economies is some sort of inflation megatrend has some catching up to do. Of course, if they were, sitting on cash might indeed be that guaranteed loser. But they’re not, and that’s why it isn’t. History is replete with bursting bubbles, and we found ourselves the biggest one in that history, leveraged all the way up into the wild blue yonder. If you would care to look back through prior bubbles, you might just find that those sitting on cash ended up quite a bit better off than those sitting on tulip bulbs.
Ted,
There are many aspects to the pension question; the 15 years is more or less a “safe” estimate. I think what we’ll see happen is that as we go forward, payouts will be cut more and more. I see in Holland all sorts of funds are cutting by 5-6%, and overall those dependent on fixed income will lose 9-10% in purchasing power just in 2013. That would seem to be(come) the overall trend globally. The speed at which this progresses can be influenced by factors such as bad investments by the funds, declining stock markets and economies in general etc. Also, it seems obvious that young people will at some point refuse to pay in once they understand they’re unlikely to ever get a penny- and that is if they even have jobs: Spain’s 60% youth unemployment must of course devastate its pension funds. How it will all work out will vary across the world, even if the trend direction is clear and inevitable. All pension plans are ultimately Ponzi schemes, and those never end happily.
XYZ,
Here are some points the Daily Mail (first link) claims it got from Le Figaro:
WHY FRANCE IS ON COURSE FOR FINANCIAL DISASTER
• Public debt has risen to 90% of GDP, compared to 21.1% in 1974. If trends continue, the figure will reach 91.3% by 2014. The European Union target is 60%.
• Two key ratings agencies, Moody’s and Standard & Poor, depriving France of its triple AAA rating.
• France’s reliance on tax increases, including a proposed 75% haul on incomes over 1 million euros
• Mr Hollande’s decision to reverse pensions reform, meaning that most French people will retire at 60, and many at an even younger age.
• The figure for long-term unemployed increasing by more than 18% to well over half-a-million.
• More than a million people over 50 now unemployed – a figure which has jumped 15% in a year.
• A record trade deficit of 73 billion euros in 2011.
• Public expenditure of 56.3% of GDP, the highest of all western countries except Sweden.
• France employs 2 million public officials and Mr Hollande plans to create more, including 65,000 teachers and 5,000 court and police officials.
Hey Scott,
Good to see you here.
I’m not sure I’m any good at doing lists and bullet points, I think once I start, I’d want to subdivide each bullet with ten more etc. And I don’t know that you best fight bullets with bullets in this field to begin with. I don’t try to write finished all-encompassing things, that’s not something I have faith in, I’d like to think I take people on a journey, perhaps bumping them slightly left-right, up-down, back-forth from time to time, providing food for their own personal thought.
I’ll try to think in bullets. But I can still explain quite well without why recovery is fantasy.
“Moreover, the side effects of quantitative easing are significant. Many worry about an upsurge in inflation, though, given the outsize slack in the global economy—and the likelihood that it will persist for years to come—that is not high on my watch list.”
Sir, This is an error in your analysis in my opinion…
That’s Stephen Roach speaking, not me. I would tend to agree with what he says here, but I think he defines inflation as rising prices, and I do not.
No worries, Viscount, we’re not going to vanish into the night. It’s just that there are times when you can’t do 14 hours a day 7 days a week, simply because life happens. Obviously, it would be good to have more writers, and barring that, it’s inevitable that we can’t always do 3-4 posts a week. Nicole is set to go on another large Oz tour in March, and it’ll be just me again for a while as things stand. We’ll switch platform first soon and take it from there.
May we assume Ilargi, that Obama has forfeited his last chance to become a great president with the appointment of Lew?
Yes, he sealed his own fate. It will bring him down, and the country.
Yeah, that’s pretty much it, Gravity.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt one last time here, so for me it’s a little too early still to call him “a serial drone-killing treasoner”.
If he names another bunch of yoyo’s to his finance team, we’ll know.
And he’ll go down in history as the man who blew up the country. The US can’t take another four years of fake recovery.
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Babble,
If Obama does not tackle the financial issues head-on in his second term, if he continues the way he has in his first (he did not pull the US out of a depression, he merely set it up for a worse one down the road), he will be known to history as the president who led the nation into chaos, bankruptcy and worse.
istt,
I don’t know how specific you would like the “answers” to be, I hope it’s obvious that we’re entering chaos, and that makes it impossible to predict all too specific things, other than enormous losses in wealth and purchasing power, as well as availability of products that can (no longer) be bought.
In general, the larger the scale of the system you depend upon for your work and your basic necessities, the worse off you will be. The closer you keep your control over your energy, shelter and food, the better it is.
But that doesn’t guarantee much of anything in a chaos; we can only do the best we can.
“There is a 90% chance that we get hyper inflation within a year”
Try 0%. You know, check in the mirror how it suits you, see how it makes you feel, does it go well with your eyes, your skin tone, do you have any shoes that would do it justice.
“Clearly, we’re well into the hyper inflationary phase.”
Clearly we’re not. With the levels of leveraged debt where they were and where they still are after 5 years, hyperinflation in not an option. John Williams has religion, and that is never good for analysis.
“There is a 90% chance that we get hyper inflation within a year”
Not even in Serbia you won’t.
Nicole, what do you make of S&P raising Greece’s credit level, for its sovereign debt, by 6 levels?
1) That ratings are now evidently based no longer on numbers but on faith; in this case, the faith that austerity hit Germans and Dutch will gladly give up their benefits going forward to bail out those of their banks that are neck deep in Greek debt.
2) That S&P fails/forgets to explain why they lowered the rating as much as they did. Those reasons are all gone now?
3) That S&P et al. are less relevant today than they ever were before. Given their performance in rating MBS and related derivatives, that is a remarkable feat. S&P is part of the financial system that closes ranks on the back of its continued and expanding access to public funds.
rapier,
So I am suggesting that AE’s analysts should be a little more granular.
In what regard, pray tell?
We have always said that there would be a huge capital flight into the US. But also that it won’t buy it that much extra time.
Dave, Nassim,
I think maybe we risk going overboard here a little. It seems obvious to me from looking at the graph that it is no more than 15-16 months old, certainly not 36. It stops around Sep 2011. Anyway, it’s not that dated.
In that time the Greek 10-year yield has fallen to 12.7 from below 15, with Italy at 4.59, from about 5.6 (hard to see), and Spain at 5.35, from about 6.
But also down are France at 1.97 and Germany at 1.35. And they were at 3.2 and 2.5, respectively, as far as I can make out.
That means that in absolute numbers the spread may have narrowed, but also that yields for the bonds that are – perceived as – safer have come down at much higher percentages.
This is not too surprising given the promises of endless fodder for the beast, no matter how impotent. It still does paint a different picture from what Dave implies, though.
Even with the endless fodder, have yield spreads really narrowed? When seen in percentages? It doesn’t look that way.
Let’s see where this goes and not rush to conclusions.
GO,
I think maybe the best sign we have that we are absolutely spot on is that Nouriel Roubini is now talking about a housing recovery and other positives for the US. If we see for instance David Rosenberg say similar things as well soon, it’s probably time. For the opposite to happen.
The link to the Store page that the ad picture is supposed to have was missing for a while. Sorry for that. Now we’re open for business again!
I don’t think DVDs are as antiquated as some seem to believe, there are plenty people who do still want them. That said, we will certainly look at making things available as downloads, though perhaps not all content on the DVD set. But that may take a while, and for now we’ll focus on selling the DVDs. 2012 has been a bit of a crazy year for us, with even more travel than the year before, and we first need to make sure we get our funding in order going forward, and to move back to a regular publishing schedule (impossible to maintain when you’re on the road all the time).
“That is, an economic recovery in the US is not possible when households still have to deleverage to the tune of $2-3 trillion.”
I don’t see too much mention of interest rates. With mortgage interest rates still dropping, I think you are a bit early with your call.
There’s no timeline anywhere in that call, so how can I be early?
I agree that the economy isn’t growing, but the main reason for that is that CPI and PPI is much higher than stated by the govt.
No, the reason there’s no growth is that the debt levels, both public and private, don’t allow for it.
If we don’t get way above average rain/snow over much of the eastern half of the nation within five months, you are going to see food price inflation on a terrifying scale.
There’s no such thing as “food price inflation”. Which doesn’t mean prices can’t go up. Calling it inflation keeps you from understanding why, though.
That desperate US hyperinflation call of yours is what’s early, way early. It’s typical for those who see the US only, not the world it’s part of. A pretty general affliction; but that still doesn’t make it right.
“The article takes the stance that households MUST deleverage by $2 to $3 trillion (back to the 2003 level), end of story, no alternative.
That’s correct, mostly. Only thing is it doesn’t stop there.
“What’s the economic argument for 2003 debt levels? Why not 2005, or 2001, or any other year for that matter?”
It seems obvious to me that the 2003 levels are but an example. We could go back further in time, and that would mean more deleveraging. For most people mentally getting used to 2003 levels is bad enough.
“The article also says that the massive deleveraging is inevitable, but is it not possible that the economy could fluctuate for decades between moderate further deleveraging and minuscule growth?”
Where, in that hypothetical case, would people find the money, for decades, to pay off their debt?
“I don’t believe the market pumpers who say we’re “getting back to normal” (what the heck is “normal” after all), but I also have trouble with the idea that total collapse is the only alternative.”
Hey, what the heck is “total collapse” after all?
Amen to all that, Ghung.
And kudos for getting there.
Wish many more people would have the foresight to follow suit.
We’re grateful we could play our little part in it.
compound f,
I’m not quite sure what you would like to hear. It’s not as if Newberry’s ideas are all that unique or novel, in my view. His insistence on phrasing his issue in terms of American party politics strikes me as making that same issue unnecessarily shaky; just another ideologist, that sort of thing. And perhaps he can be forgiven for missing out on the consequences of for instance the housing bubble, since his piece is 7.5 years old. But that doesn’t change our perception that financial bubbles have their own internal dynamics, even though Newberry completely ignores this. I also have my doubts about his phrasing the issues in a US-centered format; that not only seems awfully naive by now, it already wasn’t very smart in 2005, even if to this day there’s plenty misconceived talk of decoupling. We are in a global bubble, not a local one.
In short, Nicole and I have always rejected the notion that peak oil caused the bubble we’re in, and we see no way whatsoever to change that. That doesn’t mean that energy and finance won’t or can’t interfere with each other in the future of course, just that a causal relationship here and now doesn’t exist in the way many people claim. Which seems to stem from an overly one-sided focus on energy issues, if anything: hammer meet nail. Going forward, we do see financial issues exacerbating energy issues, when money, credit, simply won’t be available to maintain existing energy infrastructures, let alone allow for a shift towards alternative sources if oil were to be less available.
“Why Freud? Why not Jung, instead? I think choosing one psychoanalyst over another is quite arbitrary. Was the selection of Freud made because he happens to fit your preconceived ideas about how humans work? “
You have me wondering who has preconceived ideas here, and about what. I’m not choosing anything, and I would never suggest studying Freud without Jung (or Marcuse), anymore than I would the other way around. For all his failures, though, Freud was the pioneer that others reacted to, even if often in very constructive ways. And for all his failures, Freud can help people better understand their inner beings, certainly when it comes to topics like optimism bias. Not that they would need psycho analysis for it.
“Just because AE has been accurate with how the financial sector works doesn’t mean you automatically have intellectual purchase in the realm of human psychology.”
That may be why nobody has suggested anything of the kind.
“Optimism without bias isn’t pessimism, Dave, it’s just optimism…”
It goes a step further of course: a lack of optimism is not – necessarily – the same as pessimism.
“I find a mixed message within autoearth. One article deflation and devalue. Next comments about collapse and inflating prices.”
That’s new to me.
“I lost my optimism in the 1970s”
You didn’t really, just part of it.
“I hope there’s time.”
The very words you’ll find when you look up “Optimism Bias” in the dictionary.
