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Arthur Rothstein Texas Panhandle Dust Bowl Mar 1936

 

There Is No More Accurate Way To Describe All That Than As A Coup (Kunstler)
Republicans Issue 123-Page Defense Of Trump (G.)
Barr Disputes Major Horowitz Finding Based On Durham, CIA Evidence (ZH)
Leaked NHS Papers ‘Put Online By Posters Using Russian Methods’ (G.)
As Trump Heads To London For NATO Summit, Warnings On British Election (R.)
Japan Preparing $120-$230 Billion Stimulus Package As Recession Risks Grow (R.)
Third Bond Default By Chinese Electronics Firm Within A Month (SCMP)
Virginia Giuffre In Plea To Public Over Prince Andrew Scandal (G.)
EU Leaders To Push For Climate Neutrality By 2050 (R.)
Small American Farmers Are Nearing Extinction (Time)
At Least 135,000 Children In Britain Will Be Homeless At Christmas (G.)

 

 

The discussions are about to heat up, with different sides drawing entirely different conclusions from the same “facts”. It’ll be a spectacle.

Jim Kunstler is not about to let up.

There Is No More Accurate Way To Describe All That Than As A Coup (Kunstler)

Then there is the “Whistleblower,” this would-be pimpernel of perfidy hiding behind Adam Schiff’s apron under the false assertion that he is entitled to everlasting anonymity. What an idea under our system of jurisprudence! In fact, contrary to Mr. Schiff’s public pronouncements, there is no law that states what he claims — one of several things Mr. Schiff can be called to account for. And that is even if you accept the dishonest proposition that the fugitive who started this fiasco even was a whistleblower, rather than a rogue CIA officer acting on explicitly illegal political motives to interfere in the 2020 election. The CIA, you must know, is forbidden by charter and statute from operating against American citizens in-country, including the president of the United States. Under the circumstances, the so-called “Whistleblower” might fairly be accused of treason.


Has anyone failed to notice that one of the “Whistleblower’s” attorneys, Mark Zaid, tweeted notoriously on January 30, 2017 that “Coup has started. First of many steps. #rebellion. #impeachment will follow ultimately. #lawyers.” Mr. Zaid later explained, “I was referring to a completely lawful process.” Yeah, sure. I think he meant a completely Lawfare process. Of course, the engineered “Whistleblower” escapade was only the latest (perhaps the last) chapter in the annals of nefarious events and actions carried out far-and-wide by several government agencies for three years, and by many officials working within them, and not a few freelance rogues in their service. There is no more accurate way to describe all that except as a coup. The authorities looking into all that have not been heard from yet. The portentous silence is making a lot of people in Washington edgy.

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View from the anti-Trump camp.

Republicans Issue 123-Page Defense Of Trump (G.)

Donald Trump’s actions towards Ukraine were “entirely prudent” and involved “no quid pro quo, bribery, extortion, or abuse of power”, according to a draft Republican report on last month’s impeachment inquiry hearings. Designed as a pre-emptive strike on an imminent report from the Democratic majority, the GOP document underlines how evidence presented at the hearings failed to shatter Republicans’ united front. It also provides a blueprint for House Republicans to defend the US president at Wednesday’s judiciary committee hearing and for their Senate counterparts to acquit him in a trial.

Democrats accuse Trump of attempting to bribe the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, by making a White House meeting and nearly $400m in military aid conditional on Ukraine announcing two investigations that would boost Trump politically. The 123-page Republican report was prepared for Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and Michael McCaul, the ranking members on the House intelligence, oversight and foreign affairs committees, respectively. It directly contradicts the testimony of career diplomats and makes little attempt to get to grips with the devastating evidence of Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the European Union, who spoke about the existence of a quid pro quo, or Fiona Hill, former top Russia expert at the White House, who warned against falling for Moscow’s propaganda about Ukraine’s role in the 2016 election.

Instead it spins the affair as a Democratic plot. Its executive summary begins with the premise that nearly 63 million Americans from around the country elected Trump in 2016 but now 231 House Democrats in Washington are “trying to undo the will of the American people”. It accuses the party of seeking to impeach the president from day one. “They are trying to impeach President Trump because some unelected bureaucrats chafed at an elected President’s ‘outside the beltway’ approach to diplomacy,” it says.

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Durham knows things that Horowitz doesn’t. Expect an anti-Barr campaign.

Barr Disputes Major Horowitz Finding Based On Durham, CIA Evidence (ZH)

Attorney General William Barr will dispute a fundamental finding in the upcoming Inspector General report – namely that the FBI was justified in launching an operation Crossfire Hurricane, the agency’s official covert counterintelligence investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, according to the Washington Post. While IG Michael Horowitz is said to have concluded that the agency had enough information to launch the probe on July 31, 2016 after Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos repeated a rumor that Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton, Barr has reportedly told associates that Horowitz does not know about – or did not include – potentially exculpatory evidence held by other US agencies such as the CIA, which could alter his report’s conclusion.

In July, Fox News reported that exculpatory evidence existed which the FBI failed to include in surveillance warrant applications in which Papadopoulos denies having any contact with the Russians, when he was in fact told about the ‘Clinton dirt’ byJoseph Mifsud, a mysterious Maltese professor (and self-professed member of the Clinton foundation) who has ties to George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. Many believe Papadopoulos was the victim of an entrapment scheme, by which Mifsud would seed him with information that Australian diplomat would later extract from him in a London bar, which made its way to the FBI – officially leading to the launch of Operation Crossfire Hurricane. And the exculpatory evidence? Downer – a Clinton ally – likely recorded Papadopoulos saying he had no Russian contacts.

Barr’s information also comes from a concurrent, ongoing investigation into the Obama DOJ conducted by Connecticut US Attorney John Durham. Part of Barr’s reluctance to accept that finding is related to another investigation, one being conducted by Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham, into how intelligence agencies pursued allegations of Russian election tampering in 2016. Barr has traveled abroad to personally ask foreign officials to assist Durham in that work. Even as the inspector general’s review is ending, Durham’s investigation continues. -Washington Post

Barr, through Durham, has been investigating Mifsud – who told Italian media “I never got any money from the Russians: my conscience is clear,” adding “I am not a secret agent.” The Maltese professor is currently MIA. As the Post’s Devlin Barrett (who spoke with former FBI lawyer Lisa Page) notes, Barr’s disagreement with Horowitz not only sets the stage for a showdown within the DOJ, it will spark partisan outrage among Democrats who have already accused the AG of being Trump’s personal lawyer.

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The anti-Trump camp, are we surprised?, is also the anti-Corbyn camp. But this is quite the stretch. Putting Russia in the headline of an article that says there is no proof that Russia is involved.

Leaked NHS Papers ‘Put Online By Posters Using Russian Methods’ (G.)

Leaked documents said by Labour to prove that the NHS was “on the table” in trade talks with the US were initially disseminated online by anonymous posters operating in a way similar to a Russian information operation known as Secondary Infektion, according to a social media research firm. A 19-page report published on Monday by the consultancy Graphika said that while it could not conclusively prove a Russian origin to the leak, the early distribution of the cache of files via Reddit, three German-language websites and an anonymous Twitter account reflected a method of operation seen repeatedly over recent years.


There is no suggestion either that the NHS documents, produced by Jeremy Corbyn at a dramatic press conference last week, were fake, but the Graphika investigation highlights an intriguing series of efforts to get the leak picked up more widely at the end of October and beginning of November. Ben Nimmo, the head of investigations at Graphika, said: “What we are saying is that the initial efforts to amplify the NHS leak closely resembles techniques used by Secondary Infektion in the past, a known Russian operation. But we do not have all the data that allows us to make a final determination in this case.”

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Can Trump damage Boris?

As Trump Heads To London For NATO Summit, Warnings On British Election (R.)

U.S. President Donald Trump leaves on Monday for a NATO summit in London, where he is under pressure from British Prime Minister Boris Johnson to resist the temptation to wade into the looming British election. As a presidential candidate in 2016 and then as president since early 2017, Trump has shown no restraint in pushing for Britain’s exit from the European Union and critiquing the politicians involved in the country’s long-running Brexit debate. But with Johnson leading polls as he faces Dec. 12 elections, the prime minister who is hosting the London NATO summit wants Trump to mind the guard-rails, putting Trump in the unusual position of being asked to avoid his normal impulse to comment on whatever he wishes.


Trump waded into the election in October by saying opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn would be “so bad” for Britain and that Johnson should agree on a pact with Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage. Johnson’s pressure prompted the White House to stress, as a senior administration official said, that Trump “is absolutely cognizant of not, again, wading into other country’s elections.” That strategy could be put to the test as Trump faces reporters a number of times on the trip, including at a news conference on Wednesday.

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Abenomics continues unabated.

Japan Preparing $120-$230 Billion Stimulus Package As Recession Risks Grow (R.)

Japan is preparing an economic stimulus package worth $120 billion to support fragile economic growth, two government officials with direct knowledge of the matter said on Tuesday, complicating government efforts to fix public finances. The spending would be earmarked in a supplementary budget for this fiscal year to next March and an annual budget for the coming fiscal year from April. Both budgets will be compiled later this month, the sources told Reuters, declining to be identified because the package has not been finalised. While the package would come to around 13 trillion yen ($120 billion), that would rise to 25 trillion yen ($230 billion) when private-sector and other spending are included.


However, the spending could strain the industrial world’s heaviest public debt burden, which tops more than twice the size of Japan’s $5 trillion economy. And despite the headline size of the stimulus, actual spending would be smaller in the current fiscal year, and economists are not expecting much of a boost. “We expect this fiscal year’s extra budget to total around 3-4 trillion yen. We should not expect it to substantially push up the GDP growth rate,” said Takuya Hoshino, senior economist at Dai-ichi Life Research Institute. The 13 trillion yen includes more than 3 trillion yen from fiscal investment and loan programmes, as the heavily indebted government seeks to take advantage of low borrowing costs under the Bank of Japan’s negative interest rate policy.

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Just 2 weeks ago they announced a plan to sell a majority stake to the local government. How did that work out?

Third Bond Default By Chinese Electronics Firm Within A Month (SCMP)

Tunghsu Optoelectronic Technology has failed to make good on a bond – its third in less than a month – as the struggles point to poor corporate governance among Chinese companies. The maker of electronic display panels, which reported ample cash holdings of more than 18 billion yuan as of September, missed an interest payment on its 1.7 billion yuan (US$241 million) onshore bond due on Monday, according to an exchange filing. The latest default has cast doubt on whether Tunghsu could meet its obligations on a US$44 million bond maturing in June 2020, after it defaulted two notes totalling 3 billion yuan on November 18.


Tunghsu is the latest in a growing list of Chinese defaulters this year, as banks have tightened their funding to private companies amid China’s slowest economic growth rate in nearly three decades. As of November 12, 45 Chinese corporate issuers had defaulted on interest or principal payments on bonds totalling 85.16 billion yuan, compared with 39 defaults on bonds worth 102.48 billion yuan for all of 2018, according to Reuters. Falling export orders as a result of the US-China trade war has strained the cash flow of manufacturers, while Beijing’s crackdown on shadow banking has also cut off alternative sources of capital for many small companies.

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Charles to the rescue?

Virginia Giuffre In Plea To Public Over Prince Andrew Scandal (G.)

A beleaguered Prince Andrew faced fresh embarrassment after his accuser Virginia Giuffre, who claims she was trafficked as a teenager to have sex with him, appeared on television to implore the British public to “not accept this as being OK”. In her first UK broadcast interview, Giuffre repeated allegations she had sex with the prince when she was aged 17 on the instructions of Ghislaine Maxwell, a socialite and close friend of the US financier and sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August. The prince, 59, whose relationship with Epstein has led to him standing down from public duties, has consistently and categorically denied the allegations, which Buckingham Palace said were “false and without foundation”.


BBC Panorama said it had uncovered a 2015 email from Andrew to Maxwell asking for help dealing with the allegations by Giuffre, previously Virginia Roberts. He wrote: “Let me know when we can talk. Got some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts,” to which Maxwell replied: “Have some info. Call me when you have a moment.” In the interview that was broadcast on Monday, Giuffre said: “I implore the people in the UK to stand up beside me, to help me fight this fight, to not accept this as being OK. “This is not some sordid sex story. This is a story of being trafficked. This is a story of abuse and this is a story of your guy’s royalty.”

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When someone says 2050, ignore them.

EU Leaders To Push For Climate Neutrality By 2050 (R.)

European Union leaders meeting in Brussels next week will push to agree to put the bloc on net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, their draft joint statement showed on Monday, heralding a bitter fight looming at their gathering. The Dec. 12-13 summit of the bloc’s national leaders will aim to endorse “the objective of achieving a climate-neutral EU by 2050”, according to the document seen by Reuters. Previous attempts, however, were blocked by Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, who rely on highly polluting coal. They have previously said they oppose climate neutrality by 2050 for fear cutting greenhouse emissions will stifle their economies.


To convince the reluctant camp, the draft summit conclusions refer to “just and socially balanced transition”, the European Investment Bank’s announcement to unlock 1 trillion euros worth of green investment until 2030, the need to ensure energy security and competitiveness vis-à-vis foreign powers not pursuing such climate goals. The draft, prepared in advance of the leaders’ discussions, may still change. But it will eventually need unanimous backing of all EU national leaders for there to be agreement at the summit. The bloc’s new executive European Commission also aims to push for climate neutrality by mid-century and wants to make the EU’s 2030 climate targets more ambitious.

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You want your food good or cheap?

Small American Farmers Are Nearing Extinction (Time)

In the American imagination, at least, the family farm still exists as it does on holiday greeting cards: as a picturesque, modestly prosperous expanse that wholesomely fills the space between the urban centers where most of us live. But it has been declining for generations, and the closing days of 2019 find small farms pummeled from every side: a trade war, severe weather associated with climate change, tanking commodity prices related to globalization, political polarization, and corporate farming defined not by a silo and a red barn but technology and the efficiencies of scale. It is the worst crisis in decades. Chapter 12 farm bankruptcies were up 12 percent in the Midwest from July of 2018 to June of 2019; they’re up 50 percent in the Northwest. Tens of thousands have simply stopped farming, knowing that reorganization through bankruptcy won’t save them. The nation lost more than 100,000 farms between 2011 and 2018; 12,000 of those between 2017 and 2018 alone.


Farm debt, at $416 billion, is at an all-time high. More than half of all farmers have lost money every year since since 2013, and lost more than $1,644 this year. Farm loan delinquencies are rising. Suicides in farm communities are happening with alarming frequency. Farmers aren’t the only workers in the American economy being displaced by technology, but when they lose their jobs, they also ejected from their homes and the land that’s been in their family for generations. “It hits you so hard when you feel like you’re the one who is losing the legacy that your great-grandparents started,” said Randy Roecker, a Wisconsin dairy farmer who has struggled with depression and whose neighbor Leon Statz committed suicide last year after financial struggles forced him to sell his 50 dairy cows. Roecker estimates he’s losing $30,000 a month.

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Third world. Rich ruling class, and then the rest.

At Least 135,000 Children In Britain Will Be Homeless At Christmas (G.)

At least 135,000 children will be homeless and living in temporary accommodation across Britain on Christmas day – the highest number for 12 years – according to the housing charity Shelter. It estimates that a child loses their home every eight minutes – 183 children per day. At this rate, 1,647 children will become homeless between now and the general election on 12 December, and more than 4,000 by 25 December. London has the highest concentration of homeless youngsters, up 33% since 2014. About 88,000 children were homeless and in temporary accommodation in the capital at the beginning of 2019 – equivalent to one in every 24 children.


The capital has 26 of the 30 British local authorities with the highest rates of homeless children. Four councils – Haringey, Newham, Westminster and Kensington & Chelsea – had homeless rates of one in every 12 children. Outside London, the places worst affected were: Luton (one in 22 children); Brighton & Hove (one in 30); Manchester (one in 47); and Slough (one in 53). In Wales, one in 412 children are homeless, up 28% since 2015, while in Scotland one in 160 children were homeless, up 64% since 2014.

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    Arthur Rothstein Texas Panhandle Dust Bowl Mar 1936   • There Is No More Accurate Way To Describe All That Than As A Coup (Kunstler) • Republican
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 3 2019]

    #51899

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Arthur Rothstein Texas Panhandle Dust Bowl Mar 1936
    Zounds! What a shot. The drama is nature at it’s most fierce; how does one get more real that that?

    The nativety scene is, is, um, interesting, I guess…
    😉

    Steve Keen at his best, as usual…

    I have to add that most cannot even grasp a whisper of today’s reality; in all its bloody reality…
    Blood sausage anyone?

    #51901

    Dr. D
    Participant

    From yesterday, an article from Tim Pool on how business sucks and women are deeply unsatisfied having followed it: https://www.youtube.com › watch › v=aYkiKCY4mJM
    https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/what-happens-to-ambition-in-your-30s.html

    Hey, no kidding, almost all the MEN think work sucks too, but they don’t have options.

    He repeats the debunking of a wage gap – more men sign up for dangerous and fatal, higher-paying jobs (hero theory) – and that women are slightly less represented in the top-tier because men have a wider bell curve, where more men are stupid (and homeless, good only for manual labor) but also more men are geniuses, and likely to succeed. Women have a slightly closer bell curve, so more women will be of average intelligence. That just about explains all the differences we see in the West at this time, including that more women are in college.

    Then following HRC’s stinging loss after promising WWIII, Warren promises to cause an American Civil War if elected: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/19/elizabeth-warren-eliminate-electoral-college-1226686

    That’s because eliminating the electoral college, Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska, both Dakotas, Delaware, Rhode Island, Montana, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Idaho, West Virginia, Nebraska, New Mexico, and Kansas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Nevada, Iowa and Utah will have to secede from the Union as they will never have representation again. But Civil War was always the plan, going way back to 1968. The problem is, the only sides that can possibly fight are the rural militias – gun owning, unified under principles – and the government – gun owning, unified in policies. But what happens if the rural reds ARE the government? Who fights now? No one, as the combined power of both arms-owning halves – who are also both law-supporting — would make any uprising the shortest ever.

    Finger-sucking granddaddy Biden has a lot to worry about, since Hunter’s paternity suit is far more than embarrassing: in order to determine child support, the judge is demanding 3 years of taxes, which will end up on public record, and as is usual in such cases, and every Ukrainian payout will be revealed. Ricky got some ‘spaining to do. The Arkansas lawyer recused himself immediately and without warning. He may have unexpectedly found himself in one of those dangerous and/or fatal jobs.

    “Donald Trump’s actions towards Ukraine were “entirely prudent” and involved “no quid pro quo, bribery, extortion, or abuse of power”, according to a draft Republican report Zelinsky and the whole Ukrainian government.”

    Zelinsky and like the 25th official release BY a sovereign nation that says no quid pro quo, BidenCo stole all our money, where’s my money? and no one cares. It’s a “debunked conspiracy theory” when a major nation of 42 million people declares something internationally with affidavits. …But of course! We all knew that. It can’t BE reported, because the truth cannot be in their mouth. They’d choke.

    Because there is no voting fraud ever – never has been, ask CNN – many local officials have been prosecuted nationwide, and PA electronic voting machines go crazy: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pa-county-election-turned-nightmare-after-voting-machines-malfunctioned

    “it was obvious there was a problem. The Democratic candidate, Abe Kassis, only had 164 votes out of 55,000 ballots across 100 precincts. In an area where you can vote for a straight party ticket, it was near a “statistical impossibility”, according to the New York Times. “

    “The machines used in Northampton County were also used in Philadelphia and surrounding suburbs, crucial areas for next year’s Presidential election.”

    Nah. In 2012 when 100% of all voters in Philly voted DNC, with –ZERO– cranks voting otherwise just to be funny, it was considered totally normal! When 10% more people voted than were registered in Detroit under Stein’s 2016 recount: totally normal!!! When billionaires coughSoroscough vow to overturn elections and spend billions to do so and then OWN the voting machine companies, no problem!!! And when a 6th grader can hack one – as well proven in like every hacking conference ever – that’s totally not worrisome at all! …And this is why CA just bought a bunch more machines that have no security, no paper receipts, and no possibility of recounts for 2020. See? America got no problems! One billionaire, one vote. As their hero says, “It’s not who votes that counts, it’s he who counts the votes.”

    Not to be a gadfly here, but after the totally rigged Kennedy-Nixon vote, didn’t a bunch of states like IL and NY go with a totally un-hackable, completely honest, auditable two-key paper-punch system? Do we like, still know how to make those machines, or is the idea of a lever-machine that puts holes in paper too hard for us now?

    it can send made-up votes to the vote counting software without needing a real ballot. Fake ballots are a feature no voting machine should have.” …The automatic tests in Northampton proved to be problematic in that they didn’t even cast votes for every candidate. …The machines were rolled out and used anyway.”

    What was that Smith said yesterday about every single thing the whole nation being a lie?

    “EU Leaders to Push for Climate Neutrality by 2050 (R.)”

    Hahahahahahahahahaha! Not unless you want to kill 6 billion people first. Enough said.

    “In the American imagination, at least, the family farm still exists as it does on holiday greeting cards:”

    Like everything, it’s a lie and a fantasy. They utterly destroyed that over 50 years ago, and left the ruins of Chernobyl, as shown by Mellencamp as far back as the 80s. Then they sold their daughters to slavery on “SugarDaddys.com” then salted, then strip-mined, then paved the ruins up to now even this very minute. And then we made fun of them for it! “I unironically embrace the bashing of rural Americans,” [Berkeley] Kernion wrote in a now-deleted tweet. “They, as a group, are bad people who have made bad life decisions…and we should shame [them]” Ah, Progress! Now why iz they mad at us? We never did nuttin’.

    And Science™! We have a black hole too large to exist in the universe, a star too old to exist, and a plasma firewall on the edge of our solar system where no wall should be. But when you’re practically perfect in every way, you reject the facts to fit the theory instead of changing the theory to fit uncomfortable facts. …Just like the rest of our society.

    #51902

    J.A.Kosmos
    Participant

    From yesterday.

    Interesting that the money laundering scandal in Sweden hasn’t broken through more in other western media. It is now all the major banks here that are involved, the CEOs of two banks have been forced to resign and a former prime minister, Göran Persson, has stepped in as CEO of one of them. In the show on TV Anders Åslund who works for The Atlantic Council but is only presented as a proffessor of economics says that the worst crime a bank can commit is breaking the US sanctions. I am sure they are corrupt like all other large banks but the way it is all presented gives me bad vibes. Sweden is developing some system to circumvent the sanctions on Iran with a few other EU nations and maybe that would help circumvent Russia sanctions aswell? Could be punishment from the US perhaps.

    #51903

    zerosum
    Participant

    • Japan Preparing $120-$230 Billion Stimulus Package As Recession Risks Grow (R.)

    However, the spending could strain the industrial world’s heaviest public debt burden, which tops more than twice the size of Japan’s $5 trillion economy.

    I would think that the elites around the world have been sending their enablers to study and copy this approach of getting richer.
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    • At Least 135,000 Children In Britain Will Be Homeless At Christmas (G.)

    Next year, there could be zero homeless children at Xmas.
    There are many elites that know a way to do remove the problem of homeless.
    They have all kinds of enablers that caused the problems. Those same enablers can be used the rectify the situation.
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    Science

    Questions with no known answers
    https://www.livescience.com/65254-what-happened-before-big-big.html
    What Happened Before the Big Bang?
    By Stephanie Pappas – Live Science Contributor April 17, 2019

    https://www.livescience.com/how-can-a-star-be-older-than-the-universe.html
    How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe?
    By David Crookes – All About Space magazine October 19, 2019 Space
    Space Mysteries: If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, how can a star be more than 14 billion years old?

    #51904

    WES
    Participant

    It is interesting who is spinning the latest leak from Horowitz report due out December 9th. This particular leak is by the Washington Post. So who leaks via the Washington Post? Why yes, the CIA!

    Your leaking guide:
    (CIA = Washington Post)
    (FBI = New York Times)
    (State Dept = CNN)

    Nice CIA twist!

    So Horowitz who is IG for Department of Justice and can only investigate DoJ employees is somehow supposed to be in disagreement with AG Barr because he isn’t investigating the CIA? Really? Not his job!

    I guess it doesn’t really matter because most people are too stupid to notice this slight twist!

    So I wonder who’s turn to leak is up next, to shape the narative? State Dept. or the FBI?

    #51905

    zerosum
    Participant

    Do people fear a negative outcome, going to jail, getting punished for lying?
    Do people hope for a positive outcome, riches, power, for lying?

    I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me god

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-intel-panel-releases-trump-impeachment-report

    #51906

    zerosum
    Participant

    I hope you are not getting bored with me try to find the truth about the Ukraine.
    Here is another point of view.

    Yes, Ukraine Meddled in the 2016 US Election

    Yes, Ukraine Meddled in the 2016 US Election
    December 2, 2019
    By Yasha Levine
    The Grayzone

    Not only did it happen, it was written up as fact by establishment papers and outlets as varied as Yahoo, Politico and The Financial Times,
    reports Yasha Levine.

    I know I’ve written about this before, but I feel like I have to address it again — seeing how just about every impeachment witness has repeated the claim that meddling by Ukrainian government officials did not happen in 2016 and that anyone who says otherwise is spreading toxic Russian propaganda. </strong

    If you read noting else, read the comments

    #51907

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    What Happened Before the Big Bang?

    Some of us question “the big bang theory”.
    The late John Dobson, of the Sidewalk Astronomers of San Francisco, was a steady state guy. The universe always has been and always will be…
    The Hindu’s write of this in the Bhagavadgita. The cycles of time running about 800,000 years and called a Kali yuga, if memory serves…
    While the steady state theory is not popular, and dismissed by leading scientists/astrophysicists, I’m just contrarian enough, to think there’s something to the steady state theory…
    Buddhism likewise, hints at this as well.

    #51908

    zerosum
    Participant

    “Some of us question “the big bang theory”.”
    To question it, requires studying it and finding unanswered, and or conflicting observations or calculations.

    #51909

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    To question it, requires studying it and finding unanswered, and or conflicting observations or calculations.

    Given I’m not a scientists/astrophysicist; I, like most laymen, have to rely on those who are. And even they are conflicted with no consensus regarding the big bang theory. It is, after all a theory, not a fact.
    John Dobson wasn’t alone in his belief of the steady state theory; a number of other cosmologists also ascribe to the steady state theory.
    My basis for agreement is my own lifelong, deep study of the metaphysical which tends toward that reality of the universe(s). And, I should add, my predilection for the obscure…
    Frankly, it’s been years since I engaged in conversation about this fascinating subject; so I’m a wee bit rusty plumbing the depths of my memory hole on this…

    #51910

    zerosum
    Participant

    hehehe!
    We better put it off. Wrong blog.

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