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“I may get banned for this, but fuck off, already!”
I say you should be promoted. Not because of TAE’s prevailing attitude toward deflationista, but because you stuck your neck out and were *gasp* rude about something you felt passionate enough about to bang somebody’s cage in desperate hope they’ll get the message.
If we can’t be *gasp* rude about something we feel passionate enough about to bang somebody’s cage in desperate hope they’ll get the message, we may be less able to say NO to things like mandatory vakzinations and find our heads being banged into cages. Oh… I liked that. V-e-w-y mysterious. Cue The Sphinx:
“and you just spend your time spinning word salads 😉 To each their own”
*sigh* I assume this is aimed at me. You seem to be associating your ego status with my remarks. I didn’t disparage your links nor the info within. I’m a big fan of those “Matrix” interviews, in fact, and oroboros seems to have hooked a major data fish and I’m impressed.
My point was that the more we try to find out “what’s really happening”, the more it dissolves into mutually compunded confusion in a world where media sourcfes seem to grow faster than the news itself. This is not your fault nor is it Oroboros, and I made no comment on your posting style or character, Mr. House.
Mr. House’s and Oroboros’s posts illustrate the hall of mirrors effect. We spend much energy seeking ‘the REAL truth’ to find out there never really was one.
Oroboros,
I have no specific reason to doubt the no-islated-covid19 assertion. But how is one to jigsaw that data into the rest? We’re experiencing delta variant of What” then.
I can do linear analysis well enough but mostly do very broad-association thinking these days. From that perspective, the idea that there never was a covid19 in the first place is less than useless to me other than my personal world model: I can’t do anything with it in the world. The basic public mindset can’t do anything with that information but denial or head asplode.
So, I don’t dispoute the assertion, just find it useless in practical terms. Just because a thing may be the most profound single truth about an entire global phenomenon doesn’t mean it’s useful. It’s like having an NDE and meeting God: telling people about it won’t convince them there’s a God unless they’re already redisposed to believe so. How one ACTS after the NDE will make an impact, however.
So, let’s say I review an evening’s worth of data and come away convinced the virus itself is a hoax. What can I do with that information? It would be like a time traveler telling people to build underground bunkers for everyone because a huge meteor will strike earth in 3 years.
It’s all I can do to reassure my wife that avoiding the jab was smart. If I tell her there is no covid in the first place:
Myself, I’ll suspend judgment on so fundamental an issue as Is there really a covid 19? until much more evidence obtains. At this point, disbelieving there even is a covid 19 virus is too much like standing on my head, and I get nosebleeds way too easy as it is. 😉
I’ll note, again, that so much skepticism for so many people like us, indicates a rapidly shrinking trust horizon, and add that all I could do with knowledge that covid doesn’t even exist would be, at this point, keep my mouth shut or convince people I’m crazier than I already am.
Oroboros:
Thanx for the Mike Adams info.
I don’t see the name snopes on the link I sent, fwiw, but to clarify, I obviously don’t trust sources just because they say a thing’s so. The linkcites ten papers at the bottom, fwiw. Me gno know. Mongo just pawn in life. I am anything but a virologist or pandemicist or vaccninologist.
A discussion like this demonstrates how the trust horizon is closing in on us fast: we’ve discussed covid for a year and a half and can’t even decide for sure if the thing even exists.
The mediaplex is already collasping. But with so many million mirrors, the fact that those mirrors are breaking into shards doesn’t change the effect all that much: it’s still just a zillion points of glittering half-baked reports from across the spectrum: from research lab to evening news to the group huddled here trying to make sense of it all.
I don’t know about Alberta, but this looks like isolation of a virus to me:
With so much media, we deal with the Bogeyman of a 1,000 Faces
“The 1976 swine flu pandemic was the killer that never came. But it did trigger a full scale panicdemic that saw millions of Americans vaccinated against a disease that didn’t exist. Like all vaccines, it had side effects, some serious, some possibly even fatal. The swine flu affair was nothing short of a medical and political disaster. Perhaps that explains why none of those watching the arrival of covid–19 in early 2019 chose to forget the lessons it teaches.
In January 1976, new recruits at Fort Dix, an army barracks in New Jersey, started to develop flu like symptoms. “
“As soon as vaccines became available I jokingly told my friends and relatives who got vaccinated that I have now a list of the vaccinated I know of and I am waiting to see who gets what and that now you are on my list. I dont think my joke was well received. Yet this list may turn out to be of some importance just now.” (ecosophia comments)
from the ecosophia article Polder Dweller shared(emphases mine):
“I find this entirely likely myself. The healthcare industry is already cracking. In my 30+ years as an Emergency Department RN, I’ve never seen anything like this. We’re seeing an upsurge in COVID cases in just the past week where I work, though we’re still not seeing as many as in February. Honestly, the COVID patients I’ve taken care of in the past year and a half aren’t any sicker than people I’ve taken care of with other respiratory illnesses in the past and in most cases far less sick. I had one fully vaccinated patient with COVID every day for the past four shifts I’ve worked and one of my fully vaccinated co-workers just came down with it also.
“As far as Delta goes, the UK numbers show the Alpha (original) strain was 1.9% fatal, Delta 0.1% fatal. So the risk of death overall has decreased from slightly less than 2 in 100 to 1 in 1,000. So they’re really going to need the Fubar variant to sell the ADE deaths.
“What’s really scary is how short staffed we are and how sick so many of our patients are with everything else but COVID. It’s frankly bizarre and I and many of my coworkers are just exhausted from all of this. A lot of RNs and other healthcare workers took early retirement over the past year and a half, just in the organization I work for alone. Several of the younger women I work with have had babies recently and some have cut back to part time. I hear it’s like this all over. And now they’re going to mandate vaccines or weekly testing for those who won’t vaccinate; which is stupid on a number of levels but especially for those of us, like myself, who’ve had COVID, and now have superior immunity.
“JMG, you are right about one thing for certain, PRAY that you don’t need healthcare, because I think the apocalypse of how broken and incapable the system has become is about to debut.”
(Dr. D spoke of the baby boom issue way back, btw.)
“Imagine you’re a normal person. The year is 2016. Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You’re a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts authority.”
He then proceeds to hit all the main inflection points: 2016 Brexit, then Trump, then Russians, maybe not Russians, DON’T WEAR MASKS YOU MORONS, ffs follow the science and wear a mask Covidiot, even Kamala Harris’s declaration that she would never take a COVID vaccine that Trump made mandatory all the way to #NoVaxNoJob.
Doc R: strictly anecdotal: guy who works in the local min-mart has a friend in the local gubmint health office’s pandemic etc. office, told him that the kind of flu shot he’d gotten should proitect him from covid. circa spring 2020.
“How many here just ran with it?”
I wanna be Clenis for a moment: define “it”. This one report? Out of ??? I honestly don’t remember.
I do hope we’re providing good research material. I say that because I find it hard to think you take your arguments seriously as in convincing anyone here otherwise, so I’m inclined to think you’e some kind of meme-developer. Nifty title, huh? What do I know? Some people thought I was a woman for awhile. By their fruits ye shall know them, and all that.
All grist for the systempunkt, says I.
“Do we see Fauci, Walenski, Biden, the CEOs of pharma companies, the tech titans, as having anything resembling true character?”
If anything, we see them as some kind of alien mtant.
“And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.”
― William Gibson, Count Zero
Same guy wrote, 30-some years later, has the elderly female police chief of The Peripheral’s 100 years-from-now kleptocratic post-Jackpot London, say something, concerning the uber-baddies they’ve apprehended, to the effect that, “They’re only human, like us. If we forget that we lose everything.”
“Turns out not only are the unvaxxed screwing up the world, they are preventing this poor soul from getting screwed.”
Uh, I’ll pass, thank you very much.
Covid life (just add masks and stir):
Archie, I would much prefer it if you would please mind your own business, sir. You had a chance to ask nice, but no, you had to big-dog me. I would prefer you resume talking to other people about me or addressing the forum at large about me, if you absolutely must talk about me. But not to me, please. I’ve failed to learn anything from you in your attempts to engage with me or with others about me. But it seems to entertain you and others, so please carry on an it please ye, but expect to be ignored if you address me personally and directly.
Which is not to say I won’t address remarks you make, just not you.
And no, I could not possibly imagine getting sloshed with you. That sounds horrible to me. Word.
“Actually cosco, I was responding to Bill7. But I’m glad I’m gaining some traction with you. Study on but please, spare us the detailed analyses.”
I can’t help it, Archie: I’m fascinated by what people gossip about me openly in a public forum, Archie. Enlightened self-interest or masochism? Please feel free to provide us with a detailed analysis. Or just continue gossiping about me in public right in front of me. I don’t mind. It’s less than pleasant but you fellows seem to enjoy it so much, I just kinda feel compelled to… watch. I’ll try to keep the heavy breathing down.
No, I’m not on meds except ample cannabis at times, like now, when for three days I have mostly looked like this:
I can’t wait to see what kind remarks are made about that image. Whatevs. That’s me, although that image is from ’17-’18. The view from where I sit and watch is amazing, just amazing. I learn a lot.
People realy love to pick on people, I’ve noticed. I noticed it in grammar school. Stand out in a way that isn’t charismatic in a way they want to be associated with, they’ll peck at you. Always amazed to see how persistent the behavior is:
Let me assure you, Mr. House, deflationista arestrangers to each other. But I do wonder if deflationista isn’t one of us resurrecting an old alias. It’s like the dog in Amazing Journey said about TV, “It’s not real. You can’t smell it.”
Which means not that deflationista is a fake, but that we’re all wizards of our own private Oz behind our own private curtain. The internet is a wonder and a joy, but alas, it is even more a supreme abomination ensuring that what’s left of our shrinking trust horizon shrinks even more.
Let me turn the mirror back on y’all: you don’t talk enough. You tend to stay way too much “on topic”. You’re way too sensitive to critque of your opinion as if it equated with the size of your pecker or boobies. You… never mind. I’m already bored. Rather than tell people what’s wrong with them, I prefer to study what they do and critique that if it seems pertinent an it please me, but they forever ad hominem themselves by placing their ego in front of their opinion like some kind of hostage human shield.
I especially like to encourage them when I say them being brave enough to be human and tender. fwiw, since we seem so intent on addressing each others’ personas (as we envision them based on text in a very narrow context) than their ideas (as expressed in a multi-media format), let me especially applaud Susmarie18(?) for her presence.
And now, a forgotten old song of quiet strength and one of those rare unforgettable guitar solos that come along here and there (2:15):
I hope we all remember to tip our host, Raul. Things are rough in Greece all around these days.
btw, some of you may realize that I study y’all. These are the cynics/preppers in my neighborhood. Who will stand firm, who will fold? is my Number 1 Question outside of Why do I CONSTANTLY disappoiont God and myself?
“What do they say… follow the money… well there’s no money in ivermectin so what does that mean…. don’t use it!”
Or pump a buncha cheesy studies to generate market buzz to drive prices up for a brief financial bonanza before the studies turn on you…
On the one side, we have the likes of Oxymoron’s father: ‘you are an idiot if you think this vaccine is experimental – thay have been working on Corona Virus vaccines for at least a decade’
On the other, we have deflationista with something like, ‘These studies regarding a substance mostly illegal for the readers of TAE are bogus, and btw,’ “Society can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated. But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own.”
which is hard not to read as pro-vakzine, whether
deflationista implied it or not. Right there, def painted himself as discredible with the average TAE poster. While denouncing a mostly unavailable non-mandatory medication, he seemed to give a pass on an increasingly compulsory medication itself riddled by not just bad studies but bad manufacturing and a host of negative side effects, and now, the prospect of possible ADE.With debunkers like that, who needs Dads like Oxymoron’s?
But we can always go back to bashing me as a hyper-posting soup Nazi. It seems to pass the time?
It’s not loaded.
deflationista: I already said that you may well be right. To be sure you don’t miss it, by right, I mean your endorsement of the views expressed in the articles you cite. I do get their drift, just don’t think it’s important enough for me to squeeze my tired old eyes over all those statistics. I save that for things that really matter to me, and whether or not Ivermectin has been promoted by specious studies is not high on my to-do list; and I perceive that it isn’t high on most psters’ priorities either. However, lurkers abound, and let he who has ears to hear, hear it.
As for “settled opinion”, my opinion isn’t settled although this one has acquired a good bit of inertia. It just isn’t swayed by your conveyance of your opinion.
^&*
Archie: always nice to hear from you talking about what I’m doing. It’s not enlightening for me, but nice, and others seem to enjoy it 🙂
It’s kind of a shame cuz the Gideon guy raises some fine questions. But I wouldn’t trust him to answer them. There is Ivermection, there are Ivermection studies, and there are people using Ivermectin. Most of us have only encountered the studies, and then only rarely, so all the data we have is meta, is mediated, and based on stanbdards of trust rapidly dissolving in our deep fake reality.
For example, we trust screen shots more opften than not, which is why they are surely being subverted rapidly in today’s meta-mediated reality. (Dr. D calls it “lying”: he’s so traditional.)
But fwiw, it’s not the claim that Ivermectin could be fraudulently promoted that I personally have issues with: I have no problem with the truth whatever it ‘proves’ to be. My problem is your emphais, your focus, and your approach.
If you’d come in and said, ‘Hate to say it but there it appears there might be some disturbing aspects concerning Ivermection,’ we busy paranoiacs would roll with that and dig into it. We like disbelieving authority, even if it bursts a favorite bubble.
But you came in with this:
“Society can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.
“But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own. They are facing an endemic disease armed with nothing but worming tablets and excessive faith in their immune system. That is their choice and whilst we should deter gullible people from being pulled into their orbit, we should not coerce them. There is no free ride this time. They alone will face the consequences of their actions.”
And this:
“Save a life — show this video to your vaccine hesitant friends who have been made hesitant by Bret Weinstein’s misinformation. I really cannot believe that this blog, which, over the last decade, has taught me to examine information from all sides, has now decided to accept the flimsiest of flimsy information emanating from Bret Weinstein or Tess Lawrie. I mean, you do know that the FLCCC and anything sourced to them is not serious, don’t you?”
It’s an approach doomed to failure. You may well be right. If so, you’re pointing that thing the wrong way.
“It seems like there are a lot of rules regarding which topics are and which topics are not to be discussed.
Who are you? The Soup Nazi?”
No one has censored you. There are no rules other than what WPress perhaps imposes mysteriously through posting protocols. I just said that what you’re doing is probably not going to change many minds here, that is all. Please do continue. Speak on anything your heart desires. I abhor topicality for topicality’s sake.
But as for soup: no soup for you, because I am in fact that very Nazi of the Soup. You found me out!
“The real issue is that there’s a certain segment of conspiracist weirdos who won’t accept anything other than outspoken advocacy for the drug no matter how weak the evidence might be.”
deflationista: Thanx for making the effort. That said, I already knew what you told me just by skimming. I still have no reason to believe this guys anlyses are accurate or honest. I’d assumed you’d perused his methodology and could voluch for it. Maybe I was wrong?
Your basic premise is still a straw man per the big picture: drugs like Ivermectin have been forbidden per covid despite showing far less toxicity than the officially promoted vakzine, whose use proves less effective and more prblemmatic every day. You are describing a media battle against a certain set of scientific papers in turn used by some as basis in a media battle compaining against Ivermectin’s illegality per covid.
I haven’t based my feelings about Ivermectin on papers above my pay-grade (well, at least, patience). I’ve made them on the basis of anecdotes from doctors I’ve known for some time, since before covid arrived.
So apparently the studies many people cite, in order to promote Ivermectin and protest against its banning, are flawed.IMagine that. So are many of the papers on covid vakzines, and even worse are the rationalization that the likes of CDC/WHO make per those papers. For that matter, most of the papers published on anything anymore are flawed. Modern academia is in the same sad shape as its members: neurotic deluded career-humpers just beginning to realize that their career-humping has turned into something like necrophilia.
“but pretending the evidence is high-quality when it isn’t just makes you seem obsessed not scientific.”
You lead with a presumption: that we are pretending. For all that you cite lengthy studies, you haven’t personally shown a whit of evidence to explain why this guy’s number-crunching is right and others are wrong. Meanwhile, ten zillion academic papers on covid issues are flying around while the fever is high (pun unitnended) and the grant money flows.
Your Gideon paper steps all over itself with this nonsense:
“Amazingly, the study found that people treated with ivermectin were 90% less likely to die than people who got the placebo, which if true would make ivermectin the most incredibly effective treatment ever to be discovered in modern medicine.”
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present, for starters: penicillin. A long series of similar successes awaits us, but it would bore me to elaborate.
Srsly, deflationista, what are you smoking? Are you having fun yet?
Even so, it’s obvious that citing Trump is pointless, and smacks of TDS. What covid today has to do with a retired official with no access to the levers of power beats me. Yeah, we know Trump fucked up bad on covid: that’s why they were able to anoint and have elected a biomannequin. in his stead.
Incidentally, it amazes me that we find so little to talk about that the volume of posts here, in general or by me, are deemed worthy of comment.
A kind of tradition at our apartment complex has emerged since covid: the roof-covered apartment mailbox area is where people puy out things they wish to share with others. Mostly as part of moving out of the complex.
Someone left a large spiral ring college-size five-pouch notebook. It is a young woman, and if I read the data correctly, she is 17 years old. She was apparently taking her senior year courses at home? Probably honors level, judging by the writing. The dates are from August/September 2020. One of her courses or assignments was about Dystopian Fiction. IN that section of the notebook, she wrote in round smooth print with a seeming southpaw pitch, these words:
“August 31
“In order to durvive the dystopian future that may lie ahead I believe that my quietness will truly help me stay alive. By keeping to myself and maybe a close knit group of survivors, we can avoid people turning on us. Also, it would be a lot easier to stay descreat(sic)”
It looks like she didn’t get far in her courses. Covid was amasking/locking down her life.
Her demographic is crucial to everything from vakzine resistance to, well, the future, period.
deflationista: so, are you, like, testing straw man arguments on us to see which work best? You seem to have difficulty comprehending the basic group mindset of a site you say you’ve followed 4-evah. It’s weird.
Oh, I forgot. The British cavalry came just as they were counting those final bullets. 🙂 Or so the family legend says. 😉 Close enough.
Also, the same guy’s father experienced the Red Dawn scene I shared, albeit without a wounded comrade.
“Halt for your life!” said the British UN soldier at a Beirut checkpoint.
His Dad raised his hands in the air, said, “You call this living?”, turned around and walked away.
His Dad also said, “The Brits were tolerable, but the Israeli/UN troops, they were vicious gangsters. They’d have shot me.”
Well, that’s what he said, and he was a fine, brave, extremely intelligent man who got his family out of there in time to avoid what he could see coming, what we see now.
“This is the hill upon which I will die.”
My best friend in high school grew up in Lebanon/Jordan, immigrated to USA in ’63.
HIs grandfather on his mother’s side had been a prosperous Armenian with land, big stone house on a hioll, etc.
As the Turks approched close enough for them to shoot back during WWII and its Armenian massacre, they counted bullets carefully. THey knew what the Turks dod to people, including women and children. They made sure they had enough to kill their beloveds before either killing themselves or, preferred option, running hellfre shooting bloody blazes in to a volley of Turkish gunfire.
Shit happens, it does. Lose your courage, you won’t.
Corniest movie since WWI John Wayne flix, and so is this scene, but it nonetheless works for me:
The following bankster link is especially juicy red raw meat, old and flyblown and reeking of too-easily-ignored horrors and atrocities. Full-blown quivering exposed Illuminati flesh, showing how the Cult of Atrocity works: first you must sear your conscience by doing some totally unspeakable thing. Milgram’s experiment shows that a surprising amount of us will do this, even for free, for free just because a man in a white lab coat with a clipboard told us to. Paid well, well, we ask to see whom we’re torturing to death so we can get our full share of it. Make sure the ‘trodes are on tight. We’re strange that way.
While I don’t believe that vast overarching conspiracies amount to shit outside of what money control can bring about, I very much believe in secret societies and the power of shared shame and self-loathing that reinforces your devotion to the group because it comprises the only people who can really understand you.
I DO believe that AI-equipped data surveillance like is happening to us every second online, creates a new and unprecedented, by order of magnitude, amazing blanket effect for spreading and maintaining an Hypnosis Wave that contradicts plainly observed reality for a considerable amount of time, and so the juggernaut appears to be moving further and faster than it really is, and conceals the areas where it is already in decline/retreat.
I have no prob believing many of them want to, and believe they can, Rule the World. And for awhile, their power certainly grew amazingly (WWII and since). The ancient banksters’ secret cabals were at the center of everything, pert near, even Russia by the 1990s… until Putin kicked them out. (As for the banksters who thought the Soviet revolution was a good investment, they failed to appreciate the likes of Stalin taking them on, but hey: breed for sociopathic genius, get eaten by sociopathic genius.)
But they, and their glorious AI (that even Elon Musk had enough brains to recognize and warn us about), simply can’t grasp running out of energy (it’s called Elon Syndrome). Hell, their economists can’t get it, and they rely on economists to read that side of their crystal fortune-telling ball.
Egypt did the psycho/socio-pathically narcisstocracy totalitarian regime very well for a long time… but they were a water economy, and it only took 2-3 decades of severe drought to do them in:
“Lo, the desert claims the land. Towns are ravaged, Upper Egypt became a wasteland. Lo, everyone’s hair [has fallen out]. Lo, great and small say, ‘I wish I were dead’. Lo, children of nobles are dashed against wall.s Infants are put on high ground. Food is lacking. Wearers of fine linen are beaten with [sticks]. Ladies suffer like maidservants. Lo, those who were entombed are cast on high grounds. Men stir up strife unopposed. Groaning is throughout the land, mingled with laments. See now the land deprived of kingship. What the pyramid hid is empty. [The] People are diminished.” Egyptian sage, Ipuwer
(itals added for ET bonus effect 😉 )
For awhile, many people may well submit to being stripped of everything but a handroid, clothes, backpack, maybe a bicycle, and sleeping bag. Maybe even enough to let Them(tm) run a complete covid racket to the bone (highly unlikely, imo, but one never knows)… but not for long. As energy declines, and more and more minions suffer in a tide rising up toward upper minion ranks (especially the Security Level), we will find that our Illustrious Annunakai, shape-shifting, lizard-skinned, child-sacrificing, bankster elite derangsters with impressive special FX but little clout with actual reality, a thing they’ve seen now and then through tinted limousine windows… we will find that as energy runs out, so will their luck.
In the meantime, aim for the heart of the sunrise. It’s not a nuclear sunrise! Really! 😉
Exposed Illuminati, Found Dead
And again:
A glimpse of the state of affairs just a few years back, provided by an ancient aggregator called unknown news, run by dear old Harry and Helen Highwater:
A bit of emotional catharsis many of us can, I suspect, relate to.
P.S. Youtube seems VERY interested in my/our TAE activ ity. It is obviously reflected in what my youtube feed is giving me.
