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The Digital Panopticon that is being constructed is as much about diverting blame for the coming economic collapse as it is about an all encompassing control fetish.
While there will be much diverting of blame, pandemics, increasingly draconian social control, economic destruction, power concentration, debauchery and general coarsening of social mores, are all part of the typical decline scenario.
Good to stop it since we DO have energy. A lot of it.
Yes, estimates have us at around the halfway point with oil.Two problems: 1. To keep economies growing (which by current design they must) requires increasing energy inputs. And more importantly, 2. The energy required to extract the energy is becoming unsustainable–there is not enough left over to run the economy effectively. We see this in the drastic and every increasing oscillations of fossil fuel prices. At some point, most of the stuff left will not be extractable because it will be economically untenable.
And 3. as I posted a few days back, the energy source does not matter in the end (see Ivan Illich, Energy and Equity). Too much energy per capita ends up with the destruction of free society.
From the State PR Department, aka The New York Times:
This Is the Moment the Anti-Vaccine Movement Has Been Waiting For
“Americans hoping to fight the anti-vaccine movement must learn to use the same tools of political rhetoric and mobilization, to speak up against misinformation and to swarm lawmakers’ phone lines to oppose bills that harm public health. Republican legislators must defend the importance of public health more forcefully.”:
That’s rich. As though the government and the industrial-medical-pharma complex is not using mainstream media, political rhetoric, and every other avenue at its disposal, including censorship, to propagate misinformation. The essay in question being a perfect example, by attempting to conflate the stance of the long-term anti-vaxxer movement with the many people who are not anti-vax but are questioning the current vaccines.
Don’t the “anti-vaxxers” read the New Yorker? The mRNA stuff is plenty safe enough–a doctor in New Mexico says so!
Why the COVID Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous
Many vaccine-hesitant people worry about adverse health effects. They shouldn’t.As the Delta variant gains momentum around the country, I’m seeing more and more unvaccinated patients in my E.R. I often ask them why, after the devastation we’ve seen this year, they’ve chosen not to get vaccinated. Sometimes their answers are weird or conspiratorial. But most people say that they’re concerned about something real: adverse effects. They’ve heard about blood clots in women, or about myocarditis in young men, and the prospect of developing one of these frightening conditions has kept them away from the vaccination clinic.
What’s a “vaccination clinic” by the way? Must be something where the doctor practices waiting until people need hospitalization to treat them with everything except stuff proven to be effective?
In that same roundup, at least one sign of sanity:
Many in the U.K. are flouting pandemic rules even as cases rise.
LONDON — Nearly 60,000 soccer fans packed London’s Emirates Stadium last Sunday to watch Chelsea outplay Arsenal. Andrew Lloyd Webber’s musical, “Cinderella,” made its glittering debut in the West End after several Covid-related delays. On the subway, where masks are still mandatory, half the riders go barefaced.All this at a time when Britain is reporting more than 30,000 new coronavirus cases a day, hospitals are coming under renewed strain, and preliminary data shows that the protection provided by vaccines ebbs several months after the second dose.
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New casesThese are days with a reporting anomaly.
About this dataSuch is the strange new phase of Britain’s pandemic: The public has moved on, even if the virus has not. Given that Britain has been at the vanguard of so many coronavirus developments — from incubating variants to rolling out vaccines — experts say this could be a glimpse into the future for other countries.
“We don’t seem to care that we have these really high infection rates,” said Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London, who has been leading a major study on Covid-19 symptoms. “It looks like we’re just accepting it now — that this is the price of freedom.”
NYT with a barrage of Covid fear stories.( The photo of Wallace shows someone who is definitely overweight.No indication of other co-morbidities,or what kind of Ivermectin protocol he was on.
Caleb Wallace, a leader of the anti-mask movement in central Texas who became infected with the coronavirus and spent three weeks in an intensive care unit, has died, his wife, Jessica, said on Saturday.
“Caleb has peacefully passed on. He will forever live in our hearts and minds,” Mrs. Wallace wrote in a post on GoFundMe, where she had been raising money to cover medical costs.
Mrs. Wallace had said recently that her husband’s condition was declining and that doctors had run out of treatment options. On Saturday, he was to be moved to a hospice at Shannon Medical Center in the city of San Angelo so that his family could say their goodbyes, she said.
Mrs. Wallace, who is pregnant with the couple’s fourth child, recently told the San Angelo Standard-Times that when her husband first felt ill, he took a mix of vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin — a drug typically used to treat parasitic worms in both people and animals that has been touted as a coronavirus treatment but was recently proved to be ineffective against the virus.
Mr. Wallace, 30, who campaigned against mask mandates and other Covid policies that he saw as government intrusion, lived in San Angelo for most of his life and worked at a company that sells welding equipment. He checked into the Shannon Medical Center on July 30.
Another post claims that Delta is resulting in more hospitalizations than Alpha in the UK, and that all but 2% of the deaths are among the unvaccinated.
People who are infected with the highly contagious Delta variant are twice as likely to be hospitalized as those who are infected with the Alpha variant, according to a large new British study.
The study, published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases journal on Friday, is an analysis of more than 40,000 coronavirus infections in England. It adds to evidence suggesting that Delta may cause more severe illness than other variants do.
Fewer than 2 percent of the infections occurred in fully vaccinated people, and there was not enough data to draw firm conclusions about hospitalization risks in that group specifically, the researchers said.
“The main takeaway is that if you have an unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated population, then an outbreak of Delta can lead to a higher burden on hospitals, on health care, than an Alpha outbreak would,” said Anne Presanis, a senior statistician at the University of Cambridge and one of the study’s lead authors.The Delta variant, which was first detected in India, is roughly twice as infectious as the original virus and as much as 60 percent more transmissible than the Alpha variant,
Schoolteacher in California infects half her class:
An unvaccinated elementary schoolteacher infected with the highly contagious Delta variant spread the virus to half the students in a classroom, seeding an outbreak that eventually infected 26 people, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The unusually detailed study, which comes as school districts across the country reopen, seems certain to intensify the debate over vaccine mandates in schools. A handful of school districts, including New York City, have already announced vaccine requirements for teachers and staff.
The classroom outbreak occurred in Marin County, Calif., in May. Neither the school nor the staff members and students involved were identified.
The teacher first showed symptoms on May 19, but worked for two days before getting tested. During this time, the teacher read aloud, unmasked, to a class of 24 students, despite rules requiring both teachers and students to wear masks indoors.
All the students were too young for vaccination.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/28/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
You do know that Dr. Robert Malone is vaccinated, right?
Lots of people sounding warnings about the vaccinations are vaxxed. The majority of people who are choosing not to take this vaccination are now being labeled “anti-vaxxers” outright. But the reasons for not wanting to take this vaccine are different.
You need to access the risks of the disease to you vs. the risks of the vaccine. We know the vax does not promote herd immunity, so any of that nonsense is a lie. Therefore, it is a personal medical decision based on your own adult reasoning. Otherwise, it’s more or less a case of fuck off. Go move to Australia.
Hopeful signs:
Dr. Park’s testimony in Michigan posted yesterday.
Nebraska recruiting nurses by prominently featuring Vaccinations Not Required.
The Sam Fender song posted today. Never heard of him (no surprise) but as Raul says, having
a voice speak clearly to that generation is critical.Tucker Carlson. I saw that video a couple days ago. Takes a while to get into the nitty gritty, but good job. Of course it is overlaid with his political slant, and his snide trust fund humor, but he is one of the few in the mainstream bringing info about Ivermectin, highlighting the hypocrisy of those dictating rules, talking about the insanity of where all these policies are leading us.
In my own neck of the woods, my only colleague who like me remains unvaccinated, reported a large protest along a main road where she lives on Tuesday. Mostly hospital workers about to lose their jobs, but they were joined by construction workers, moms worried about mandatory shots for kid, and others.
Still a looooong way to go. I commented on an earlier link demonizing Ivm by focusing on its role in keeping livestock healthy. DarkMatter posted yet another example in Raul’s essay yesterday. It’s actually stunning in the way it handles the obvious contradictions, worth it just to see a bold example of the media manipulation.
From the subhead: The jail, along with a local doctor, is being questioned about using Ivermectin, a livestock deworming medication, to treat COVID-19 symptoms.
It’s right out of the playbook of HyQ.The problem is (aside from the fact that if you take the vet stuff that does not contain additional added meds, and you properly figure the dose, the most that could happen is upset stomach) the story itself is COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO VET-GRADE IVM. It’s about a doctor who has treated hundreds successfully with IvM.
“I’ve given it to my mom before she got vaccinated; she was on it preventatively. My stepmom, my in-laws, my sister, my sister’s kids, thousands of patients we’ve treated with it. I have not experienced any, and we have not seen any bad side effects from it,” said Dr. Karas.
Dr. Karas says of those more than 500 cases of COVID-19 at the jail, there have been no deaths and only one hospitalization, with the inmate who was hospitalized did not take the medication. Dr. Karas says he understands Ivermectin is not FDA approved to treat COVID and says nothing is FDA approved for treating COVID. He says early outpatient treatment for the virus is important.
“My thoughts are, do you want to try and fight like we’re at the beaches of Normandy, or do you want to tell what a lot of people do and say go home and ride it out and go to the ER when your lips turn blue. So, we fight hard for our patients,” said Dr. Karas.
The heat got turned up on Dr. Karas for actually trying to HEAL his patients when:
a county employee, who opted to stay anonymous to the public, told her that he was sent to the jail’s clinic to get a COVID-19 test. He said after testing negative, he was given a $76 prescription for Ivermectin.
According to CBS News, he was concerned about the medication and asked his primary care physician about it, who told him to throw it in the trash.
While this individual “had the good fortune to have a physician that he could go to and ask for a second opinion,” Madison said at the meeting, “our inmates do not have that choice.”
Of course it’s gaining national attention. Great fodder for another Ivm hit piece. The Killer Drug, Ivermectin. Never mind the Nobel Prize, never mind the gold standard safety record, never mind the reports of effectiveness by hundreds of doctors around the world not bowing to Big Pharma. The desperation to discredit the drug is truly mind-boggling. Even if it is not particularly effective, it’s certainly not dangerous. And to conflate a doctor treating people with a formula made for humans with the unrelated fact that it also works in animals is beyond the pale. Fucked Up.
I understand their effectiveness falls when beyond the expiration date, but by how much?
The Ivm that I saw was made in March of this year and has an exp date of 2/23. My problem has been keeping it cool and dry–no AC and we’ve had quite a few days of high heat and humidity.If you can store it in a cool dry place, I suspect it will be good beyond the exp date.
Great video above on the presentation to the Michigan legislature. Dr. Christina Parks stands up against tyranny. Reminiscent of another Parks…
robertmp wrote: Our friend, age 35! Unvaxxed, got a medium case of COVID 6 weeks ago, recovered. Then she got COVID a second time last week, more severe. Doctor said very unusual , but she’s worried, may get shots.
Depending on actual timeframes, but if she got a med case 6wks ago, suffered symptoms 2wks, then came down with more severe 1wk ago, it may be likely that she never actually got rid of the initial infection from her body–not all that unusual. She might try getting hold of some Ivermectin even if the virus appears to be clearing–there is some talk that it can help with possible Long Covid, and perhaps knock out any lingering virus. But there are folks on here more knowledgeable about this kind of thing than me, I’m sure they will chime in with a more informed take. Hope your friend is feeling better.Now that it has the official name of Comorbidaty, I mean Conformnaty, people who get adverse reactions will be able to go after Pfizer. If the kind of VAERS reports we are hearing about are only a small percentage of these reactions, why is Pfizer going ahead with this? Why not keep it under the EAU since they have no liability, the product is being forced via passports, and they are getting paid a healthy amount per dose? It does not make sense to me that hey would open themselves up to this kind of massive liability. Obviously they have some idea of all the adverse reactions we are hearing about. Thoughts?
By the way, COMIRNATY? That’s what they came up with? Sounds like? Infirmary, comorbidity, community, commodity. How about conformity. Whatever, it sounds like a 6th grader mangled something on a spelling test.
Tricky how they took the Co from Covid and tacked on the MRNA and stuck in an I for Injection, then tied it off with a TY. Four syllables?? Two or three are better. It doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue Did the person who came up with Viagra retire?I laughed when I read they could now “market” it! A bit superfluous when you need the fucking thing to keep your job, no?
I heard Pfizer was starting a club, CBC– Comirnaty Booster Club. Buy a five-shot series, get the sixth shot free!!. Must be used within one year. Taxes, medical leave, burial expenses not included.(EUA rules apply, club members cannot be indemnified in the event of a very very rare problem. Very rare.
Mr. Roboto wrote: WRT the “Proud Boys” story: Might the harsh sentence the PB received have had something to do with the fact that he was carrying an illegal rifle-magazine?
Forgot about that. It varies widely what is legal or illegal by jurisdiction.
But really the point is, this guy is a first class problem child who has a history of unstable behavior, and has been used in the past by law enforcement. The Proud Boys are such a miniscule percentage of the U.S., –I mean unseeable under most circumstances–but they have been played up by the people to whom they are useful. What happens when you pay great attention to a bad boy? They act out.What does this incident have to do with finance or the economy–as lockdowns, pandemic response, etc.most certainly does, I don’t see much relevance.
Meant to bold this:
I have shown that,
beyond a certain level of GNP, the cost of social
control must rise faster than total output and
become the major institutional activity within an
economy.In the book he is basically saying long before we choke and die on our waste, we will have become a totalitarian nightmare of some kind or another if we keep trying to increase our energy use–and at the same time, that also increases inequity. Maybe some of this sounds familiar…
I don’t pity G. Thunberg, but I don’t pay any attention to her. Why? Not because she is a child,but because her “demands”, and the positions of her handlers and their proposed “solutions” are childish dreams. Because the current civilization will not be doing anything about the changing climate. Why? Because it is essentially impossible at this point to walk back our use of fossil fuels without the entire civilization crumbling. Just as we kid ourselves that printing money all day long and going negative on interest rates is”modern” and will keep everything hunky dory forever, we kid ourselves that all the various “green” alternatives, the net zero carbon, will be so because we want it to be. It won’t.
The energy cost of energy of any of this stuff bandied about as a solution does not come near that of fossil fuels–even the hard to get fracked oil. Plus, we talk a good game but I don’t see any kind of critical mass in the rich countries like Greta’s voluntarily adopting the energy inputs and lifestyles of the average person in India or Africa. At some point she’ll write a book about how she was exploited. If there are still books by then…
(On top of all this is the fact that it doesn’t matter the energy source–too much of it does what we see happening all around us–and I am not talking about climate change.
From Energy and Equity by Ivan Illich:
The widespread belief that clean and abundant
energy is the panacea for social ills is due to a poli¬
tical fallacy, according to which equity and energy
consumption can be indefinitely correlated, at least
under some ideal political conditions. Labouring
under this illusion, we tend to discount any social
limit on the growth of energy consumption. But if
ecologists are right to assert that non-mctabolic
power pollutes, it is in fact just as inevitable that,
beyond a certain threshold, mechanical power
corrupts. The threshold of social disintegration by
high energy quanta is independent from the thres¬
hold at which energy conversion produces physical
destruction. Expressed in horsepower, it is un¬
doubtedly lower. This is the fact which must be
theoretically recognized before a political issue can
be made of the per capita wattage to which a society
will limit its members.Even if non-polluting power were feasible and
abundant, the use of energy on a massive scale acts
on society like a drug that is physically harmless but
psychically enslaving. A community can choose
between Methadone and ‘cold turkey 1 —between
maintaining its addiction to alien energy and kick¬
ing it in painful cramps—but no society can have a
population that is at once autonomously active and
hooked on progressively larger numbers of energy
slaves.In previous discussions, I have shown that,
beyond a certain level of GNP, the cost of social
control must rise faster than total output and
become the major institutional activity within an
economy. Therapy administered by educators,
psychiatrists and social workers must converge with
the designs of planners, managers and salesmen, and
complement the services of security agencies, the
military and the police. I now want to indicate one
reason why increased affluence requires increased
control over personnel. I argue that beyond a cer¬
tain median per capita energy level, the political
system and cultural context of any society must
decay. Once the critical quantum of per capita
energy is surpassed, education for the abstract
goals of a bureaucracy must supplant the legal
guarantees of personal and concrete initiative. This
quantum is the limit of social order.I will argue here that technocracy must prevail
as soon as the ratio of mechanical power and meta¬
bolic energy oversteps a definite, identifiable thres¬
hold. The order of magnitude within which this
threshold lies is largely independent from the level
of technology applied, yet its very existence has
slipped into the blindspot of social imagination in
both rich and medium rich countries.P.;S.,thanks for the sympathy, phoenixvoice. I still have a slender hope that something might come up strong enough in the MSM to help convince her. It won’t be me armed with the latest from the persona non grata docs that get posted here.
@ I RunInTheSand wrote: PS: I want to purchase 100 ivermectin tablets @ 6 mg each. Is that the proper for daily use? Is that enough?
Chronic Prevention
.2 mg/kg per dose (take with or after a meal) — twice a week for as long as disease risk is elevated in your community
Post COVID-19 Exposure Prevention
0.4 mg/kg per dose (take with or after a meal) — one dose today, repeat after 48 hoursEARLY OUTPATIENT PROTOCOL
lvermectin1 0.4–0.6 mg/kg per dose (take with or after a meal) — one dose daily, take for 5 days or until recovered
Use upper dose range if: 1) in regions with aggressive variants (e.g. “Delta” variant); 2) treatment started on or after day 5 of symptoms or in pulmonary phase; or 3) multiple comorbidities/risk factors.If you weigh 130 lbs, the .2 dose is 12mg, the .4 dose is 24mg, and the .6 is 36mg. That translates to 2, 4, or 6 of the 6mg pills.
You are ordering from India, shipping will be in the $30-40 range. The medicine is very inexpensive. Depending on your weight, you may want to get 3mg and 12mg pills as well. For instance, if you are 150lbs, the .2 chronic prevention dose would be 15mg–one 12mg and one 3mg pill You can get a lot of pills and shipping for $175-$200. Who knows how long the imports will last. Who knows if maybe a friend will need some. Get what you can reasonably afford, it’s good insurance.(You can download a pdf of the protocol here: https://covid19criticalcare.com/
If someone stole a Put the Christ back in Christmas banner from a Catholic church and burned it, would they get 5 months in jail for it? Or is the BLM burning carrying some political weight? I’m thinking a fine and community service would cover something like this. Maybe an anger management class or two? I’m genuinely curious, it seems like an unusually harsh punishment. What kinds of jail sentences were meted out during the rioting in Portland, etc? I believe certain property was damaged and burned. Any attempts to find out who did it and bring them to justice?
Pfizer is on it, no worries. Pfizer prez:
“Every time that the variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it,” Bourla told FOX News’ America’s Newsroom cohosts. “They are researching to see if this variant can escape the protection of our vaccine. We haven’t identified any yet but we believe that it is likely that one day, one of them will emerge.”
From Reuters:
Scientists said booster shots are having an impact on infections, but other factors are likely contributing to the decline as well.
“The numbers are still very high but what has changed is that the very high increase in the rate of infections and severe cases has diminished, as has the pace at which the pandemic is spreading,” said Eran Segal, data scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and an adviser to the government.
“This is likely due to the third booster shots, an uptake in people taking the first dose and the high number of people infected per week, possibly up to 100,000, who now have natural immunity,” Segal said.
…According to Doron Gazit, a member of the Hebrew University’s COVID-19 expert team which advises government, the rise in cases of severely ill vaccinated people in the 60 and older group has been steadily slowing to a halt in the last 10 days.
“We attribute this to the booster shots and to more cautious behaviour recently,” Gazit said.
More than half of those over 60 have received a third jab, according to the Health ministry.
The rate of new severe cases among unvaccinated patients 70 and older is now seven times that of vaccinated patients, and the gap will continue to grow as long as infections rise, according to Gazit. Among those over 50, that gap is four-fold.
“We are optimistic, but very cautious,” Israeli Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz told public broadcaster Kan on Sunday. “It gives us more time, slows the spread and we’re moving away from lockdown.”
But even if the boosters are slowing the pandemic’s pace, it is unlikely to fend Delta off entirely.
Dvir Aran, biomedical data scientist at Technion – Israel’s Institute of Technology, said that while cases are retreating, other measures are needed alongside boosters to stop the pandemic. “It will take a long time until enough people get a third dose and until then thousands more people will getting seriously ill.”
And this subhead is interesting: BOOSTER VS LOCKDOWN
So, you can take the booster or we impose lockdown. You decide. (And is your neighbor behaving?)Full article: Israel’s COVID-19 vaccine boosters show signs of taming Delta
From NYT front page:
The Morning: This is why the F.D.A.’s full approval of the Pfizer vaccine took so long.
I realize it has been many years since the NYT printed much of anything that was not straight out propaganda of some type, but it’s still kind of a shock that they use headlines that are so f-ing misleading. This did not “take so long” it was the biggest rush job in history–even Pfizer’s own timeline said spring of 23 before “studies” (with no more placebo group!!) were “completed.” And I don’t even care if the info is in the article.
As others have commented, what is so striking is that the reactions around the world are so similar.
The second half of Carlson’s video talks about surreal stuff happening in New Zealand and Australia. Nuts.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6269226001001#sp=show-clipsMy son’s birthday is in mid-November and his mother wants him vaccinated that day. In NYS, although I have “joint custody” and he lives with me a few days every week, I only have “input” into medical or schooling decisions, mother has ultimate say. Really, really upsetting. I’ve talked to him a little recently about why I am not getting vaccinated (he’s worried about me) but I need to walk a fine line. I don’t want him to be overly anxious if he must get the shot.
“According to FLCC and Dr. Kory, Delta needs to be treated much earlier, ”
Raul responded:
Much earlier than the first sign of disease? What would that be? Being born? We’re still talking prophylactic use, maybe that’s what you mean, but that’s not a change. I would certainly advise it.No. Not when you are born. Most people do not take IVM prophylactically. Most wait until they are fairly sick to seek treatment, as instructed. He was saying that the sooner you can start taking it, the better, because Delta was supposedly a different beast. I suspect his initial reporting may have been colored by the fact that he apparently came down with it himself. His initial tweets definitely gave one the idea that it was more virulent.
From some of the links here, part of any apparent leaky vaccine situation could be that it allows a more transmissive virus to also be more virulent–in other words, by staving off some of the virulence, or at least slowing it down, allows it to propigate with high viral loads in the vaxxed.
I have no opinion on any of this, since I see no evidence being presented.
Raul, responding to my “only 20% of pop. are susceptible” comment:
Any suggestions any event or place has crossed that 20%?No, just saying I have not heard anything at all about it, other than very early on–and then only the oft-repeated reference to the cruise ship. I would think if it were true we would be hearing more, that’s all. Just curious.
I wouldn’t say responding to deflationista makes the comment section all that unreadable. I would say it is a healthy immune response and helps build tolerance and resistance to anti vaccine objectors in our real lives…Practice practice practice.
Do you think Elon Musk will be taking us to Mars in the next few years? Much of the general public dids, and there were many articles that took this at face value.
Do you think the U.S. can continue printing trillions of dollars every year with no consequences?That we can morph into a net zero carbon world with technology? Paul Krugman and most liberals do.
Did you believe the virus was a cross between Batman and The Penguin? That is what we were told and what many believed, until…Oops, lab leak theory back on the table.
Did you believe that Donald Trump was controlled by Putin, that the Steele Dossier contained a single fact? Much of the public did, and still does.
Did you believe Andrew Cuomo was the poster boy for how to govern during the pandemic, won an Emmy, but oops, got all those old folks killed. Was also big on women’s rights (I wonder what his three daughters think of him).
Do you think people like Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and Prince whatever hung out with J. Epstein because he could get them front row seats at Laker games, or to bounce important ideas off him?
Etc., etc, weapons of mass destruction, water in Detroit, BLM mostly peaceful, etc.
Do you believe writers who put “protect their freedoms” in quotes, as though this were some crackpot idea, opposing getting an experimental medical treatment injected into your body, are people worth listening too?
If so, you are as credulous as most, so don’t feel too bad. It’s no picnic having your eyes wide open.
The pandemic is not much more than business as usual–the rich get richer, finish my sentence if you can.
I suggest you read the Salon article I linked above very carefully. While most TAE participants are engaged in sharing and discussing our viewpoints, you are simply here seeking some kind of “intense response.” I’m signing off responding to you at this point, since your snide asides are now less than worthless. Good luck!
Hey everybody! It turns out we all really DO want the vaccine, but we’ve become too emotionally invested in our anti-vaxx stance to be able to listen to the little voice telling us we are wrong wrong wrong. I know this because I just read it in Salon! What a relief!
Given the ease with which people can find misinformation and faulty pseudoscientific “evidence” that supports their initial bias against the COVID-19 vaccine, it’s not surprising that a burgeoning community exists to elevate and adulate those who have championed not getting vaccinated as an expression of their “protected freedom.” Every time a person is reinforced with strong (not positive, but, intense) feedback for such a stance, their confirmation bias deepens. Every conflict that they invest in defending their position strengthens their commitment to a sunk cost fallacy way of living in the world. To be open to changing their minds and/or behavior would be akin to being open to losing all esteem and connection in a world that trades on social capital.
Sadly, the writer has not yet received the memo from SCIENCE that herd immunity is not possible, and likely never was (especially after employing leaky vaccines):
If we hope to reach the vaccination levels that will prevent COVID-19 from permanently affecting our way of communal life, we must reimagine the way in which we interact with those whose confirmation bias leads them to reject the science and humanitarian evidence that supports vaccination as the only way to achieve herd immunity. We must stop shaming them and, instead, invite them into spaces where they are safe to step back from the investments they’ve made in their public positions so they can consider new information without it challenging their sense of self or belonging.
But unlike many, the author is COMPASSIONATE! She advocates creating a safe space to try to brainwash us:
Leading these conversations by finding something that you can agree on is a good start. (For instance: “I know we’ve both invested a lot of time in informing and expressing our viewpoints. I know that this subject matters a lot to both of us which is why I’d really like to have a heartfelt conversation rather than a public shamefest.”) It means embracing the motto of “doing no harm,” as well as “taking no shit” as we work toward the freedom for all to live in a world where the openness to change one’s mind is as valued as stirring the social media pot.
It’s funny how these approaches always start with the assumption that one side is correct and the other side is loony tunes. The writer is a psychologist, so she is obviously getting all her info from the non-censored SCIENCE. No chance that some parts of each narrative might be true, and that extremes on either end are often false (and corrupt the entire position, since nuance is extinct in the 21st Century).
We need more “How to Talk Safely to Friends and Relatives Brainwashed Into Mass Psychosis By The Main Stream Media” articles.
There’s a psychological reason anti-vaccine misinformation is so hard to fightgerm quotes prof. Santin:The world literature is demonstrating the efficacy and safety of this drug at all stages of infection – I have witnessed first-hand very rapid responses after ivermectin administration both in Long Covid patients who have not been breathing well for months, and in extremely severe patients during the acute phase who were on oxygen and close to intubation. This evidence convinced me to quickly change my mind. ”
Remember, this reportage is from early spring, before the Delta variant. According to FLCC and Dr. Kory, Delta needs to be treated much earlier, and they were apparently seeing less efficacy with Ivermectin in more advanced cases. Whether this was just an initial observation and things are more nuanced, I don’t know, have not seen much from them.
There is still very little info on whether Delta is more or less virulent, though everyone is in agreement that it is more easily transmitted.
Wonder what happened to the trope that only 20% of people even come down with covid when exposed, based on the percentage infected on the Princess Diana (?) that was on lockdown.
@ zerosum wrote:
@ Veracious Poet
Most deaths or problems will not make into the data of problems occurring with the vaccinesMy Example: Central retinal vein occlusion (blood cloth)
I am not certain based on your posts about this–is central retinal vein occlusion being attributed to a consequence of covid or to a consequence of a covid vaccine?
It is sad that people in the United States must resort to buying Ivermectin made for horses because doctors will not prescribe it and the FDA has demonized it.
That link is full of misleading information. It make it sound as though Ivermectin is only used to deworm animals.On the contrary, it is given for scabies (in nursing homes, to old people) and parasites afflicting humans. Partly for its role in wiping out river blindness in Africa, its creator won a Nobel Prize. It has been prescribed to humans more that 4 billion times.
The medicine in the horse paste is the same, but the non-active ingredients are different and may give people an upset stomach. Also, a single box or syringe full of past is about 6 doses for a 170 lb person. Also, some of the medications sold for horses are Ivermectin in an apple paste, but some contain other active drugs. It’s possible people are not reading the labels.
There have been zero reports to the health authorities, only a single hearsay incident. This allowed them to roll out the FDA warnings of coma and death, which are a total crock.
Ivermectin over 40 years has a magnitude fewer serious adverse reports than the vaccines rolled out less than a year ago.
Most of the U.S. population believes that a. we will always have oil or b. electric cars and solar panels will do just fine. Am I a nutjob conspiracy theorist because I have looked at the available evidence and determined both of these beliefs are simply wishful thinking, delusions of those who worship at the altar of progress?
Do I believe every single thing posted on TAE? Of course not. I’m skeptical by nature. But the overall narrative–covid is a nasty new bug (probably made by U.S. in a lab in China) that, in certain demographics, can be very serious, can be fatal, but overall is survivable by more than 99 percent of those who get it;
that the vaccines are experimental, and are not without side effects, some serious, some fatal;
that the long-term effects are simply unknown (though there is much speculation).;
that the censorship of other views and the manipulation of data is rampant,as is the complicity of the msm;
that the push for mandates and passports is a very very very bad thing, much worse than the virusI have a couple of health situations that could put me at slightly higher risk from covid, but I still like my chances. When it first broke, I volunteered to deliver food from a local grocery. I thought I would be seeing older folks, but many of my deliveries were to people half my age.
If people were dying around me, I would be more inclined to try a vaccine, no matter how experimental. But this whole situation has become stranger and stranger. The push to vaccinate has no science and no logic whatsoever behind it.
I’m sorry you are content with the usurping of freedoms, the censorship by government, media, and corporations.
Have you noticed that most of our “leaders” end up sooner or later embroiled in some sort of scandal, whether prosecuted or not? Can you point to one who you believe had done a good job?
Just because you visited this site years ago, and now you come back and everyone is crazy, why would you then stick around? As has been pointed out, you don’t even serve as a good devil’s advocate. You can’t hide your disdain. It’s gotten tiring and boring. I have no doubt you could find a more suitable playground, but I suspect you are something of a masochist.
Alessandro Santin support for Ivermectin goes back to at least March of 2021, kind of old news. Ttouted by FLCC at the time. Like every single other positive about Ivm, did not move the needle one iota.
Global overlords, Elites, TPTB–these terms grate on me. What we have is a certain bunch of humans with family, school connections, or genes for megalomania, etc., combined with fate, that find themselves pulling the strings for what Dimitri Orlov calls the technosphere, a kind of sentient system with “a mind of its own.”
Whether you want to view this as an actual artificial intelligence of some kind or just as a handy metaphor for emergent behavior predicted in systems theory doesn’t really matter much. The main point is, it takes out this Marvel Comics idea of all these folks gathering in the conference rooms of their yachts and rocket ships and celebrity mansions and planning worldwide takeovers, depopulation, whatever. Yes, things look to be headed in a bad direction, but it is not the work of a coordinated pack of evil genuises. It is a confluence of events creating a synergy orchestrated by a somewhat random collection of useful idiots.
The creation of this system can be partly explained by, or seen through the lens of, Ivan Illich’s theory in Energy and Equity (available as a free pdf online) that the excess energy in our society has the effect both of funneling more and more power into fewer and fewer hands, and then requiring those hands to implement ever stricter social controls, exactly what we are seeing throughout the world today.
Resistance is not futile. Especially if we are intent on preserving a degree of personal integrity.
At this point there are two circumstances under which I would get the vaccine:If they sent a squad to physically restrain me and inject the vaccine.
If they threatened to take away access to my son.What makes it especially difficult to refuse to submit is not necessarily the handful of useful idiots at the helm, but the mass psychosis phenomenon discussed in a post earlier this week that has made a majority of the population unable to see the sheer craziness of what’s happening and to go along with the anti-human agenda of the technosphere and its puppets. Smart phones and the Internet make that particular virus much more transmissible and virulent, but history shows this is not a unique plague, and fear, lack of true leadership, constantly shifting “information”, and continual propaganda make it a potent pox.
‘Covid is a miserable way to die’: Alabama doctor refuses to treat anyone who is unvaccinated
Maybe they only give the Covid hospital payouts now if the patient is vaccinated?
So you can lose your license to practice medicine if you go against the machine, but it’s okay to publicly admit you won’t treat unvaxxed covid patients because you’re squeamish? Dying of covid if your vaccinated isn’t so bad? Which I guess is true because we had similar evidence yesterday, of a doctor saying of a patient who died, it would have been a lot worse had they not been vaccinated.
I’m skeptical of the whole “rare earth mineral” meme. These mineral deposits have been known for a long time. If the U.S. thought it would be at all feasible to go after the stuff, that would have been the focus of all the money we pissed away making contractors rich. I read recently it can take up to 16 years to get a mine built and producing something like lithium. We don’t have that sort of “long-term” patience. And I suspect it’s probably not viable for China to do much with it, either. I imagine it is not low hanging fruit, at the very least.
The last quote, “It’s the saddest thing” sounds just like the other made for tv lines….” As I gave last rites, I had to tell the patient it was too late to get vaccinated. I told the family to honor their relative they could go door to door promoting the vaccines.”
Contrary to the post on TAE today, apparently Ivermectin does NOT work. (By the way, the study above which was positive only used 2mg per kg of body weight for treatment, half of what is prescribed by FLCC.)
Here is a massive Ivermectin take-down by Salon.
Many interesting points to observe, I will just highlight a couple and let you find the rest.Smaller studies, Boulware added, tend to look and see if ivermectin has an impact on a patient’s viral load. Yet there is debate as to whether viral load is a meaningful metric.
“The question in COVID, which is kind of unknown, is whether that actually means anything,” Boulware said. “It sounds great — making the virus go away faster is probably a good thing — but the virus is going to go away eventually anyway with your immune system. What is the clinical benefit of the treatment? “
Wait, my immune system?
There was even an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal, titled “Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?”; tellingly, the op-ed was co-written by a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, a right-leaning, pro-free market think tank, and a pharmaceutical industry consultant who previously worked for the company that developed and marketed ivermectin.
Then later:
This is one reason why experts like David Boulware, a professor of medicine at the University of Minnesota’s Medical School and a co-chair of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) ACTIV-6 trial steering committee, says there is definitely not enough scientific evidence to believe that ivermectin is an effective treatmentWait. Doesn’t the NIH own a key patent in the Moderna vaccine?…
“You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death,” the FDA states. “There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. That is wrong.”.
And they say it has bad reactions with other drugs, etc. etc.
In Louisiana, which is experiencing a surge in COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, a local Louisiana news outlet reported that doctors are seeing patients admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 who say they took horse ivermectin to treat COVID-19.
“It is the saddest thing to have somebody come in and say, ‘but I was taking my ivermectin.’ And have to admit them to a hospital, put them on a breathing machine, when we have great prevention [t]hat is the vaccine,” one doctor said.
Is there any evidence ivermectin can treat COVID-19? We analyzed the prominent scientific studies
Despite promising words in some studies, experts say ivermectin is a false hope for treating COVID-19. Here’s why
By Nicole Karlis
Published August 18, 2021 6:44PM (EDT)From NYT:
Actually, Wearing a Mask Can Help Your Child Learn179 Reasons Why You Probably Don’t Need to Panic About Inflation
I’m sure the headlines are just clickbait and the articles make perfect sense…
cafone wrote: Here in Portland’s West Slope apartmant complex rent plantations, the developers took down the wild 1/4 acre next to our complex.
That’s pretty atrocious. Even when one old tree goes missing, it’s a noticeable loss to one’s sensory perception of the space.
Here where I live a developer recently cleared a large swath of trees and undergrowth along the creek in preparation for building a required emergency vehicle access road. Just found out that, due to a change in the railroad track status that locks in the 64-unit development between creek and rail, the road will not be necessary. People at the planning board want to make sure the developer keeps the shrubbery low, because they now like the view of the mountain with all the trees missing. Hey, bunnies don’t vote.
deflationista writes: The Israel story could be a real world example of Simpson’s Paradox with very important consequences.
Damn, I thought I was going to see another episode of Homer, Marge, Bart.
So it’s just a weird statistical abberation thing. So deflat, if you’re vaxxed, you are good to go. But please, explain what are the very important consequences you refer to?
If local authorities can’t get something jumpstarted within a month or so to keep people fed, that’s a scenario you can’t really plan for anyway. Or bother dwelling on.
ADE = the vaxxed are flucked.
Marek’s = the unvaxxed are double flucked.
Both = uh oh.
I am heading to Restaurant Depot with a friend’s card to pick up some supplies for a 3-4 week “empty shelf” scenario. Someone mentioned a tasty brand of powdered milk? Also curious what others might be doing in terms of preparation for a month or so of limited availability of essentials. I know some are better set up than others, but curious given the looming possibility of another domestic crisis or two landing on top of the pandemic thing–an attack on the financial system, a terrorist event–that could disrupt important supply chains, what kind of basic supplies are folks are salting away for, say, a month of no shopping available.
While I have been following the collapse scene for well over a decade, with a divorce and other life circumstances I have not been able to “set myself up.” In any case, the more you think about it, the less feasible most “solutions” become. The basic idea as stated above, be forthright, be helpful, be in good standing and with friends in your community. And have a good supply of oatmeal, beans, Vitamin D, coffee beans.
deflationista wrote: f. they are just kind of comfortable with white supremacy and Nazi symbolism
I already accounted for the possible portions of “they” that are like that. Still have no idea what your big point is?That there are people in America that have depraved viewpoints and ride motorcycles? Or are you saying that everyone that voted for Trump or attends motorcycle rallies is a Nazi?
Meant to ad, it’s tolerated by other tough guy motorcycle dudes at the rally because a. they think of it as another kind of club and couldn’t give a damn b. they believe in the first amendment. c. they couldn’t give a damn, they are there to have fun and not worry about hat logos, even offensive ones. d. they didn’t realize it would make you so upset
