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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle September 17 2021 #87435
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    Anecdote:

    Just came back from a walk with a good friend and his dog. He was very angry about a popular night spot that closed here in town. They were known for good live local music and good inexpensive eats, all in a former diner on Main Street. Although their website says they have chosen to shut down due to the escalation of covid cases, my friend says the real reason is because someone who applied for a job did not get hired because she was unvaxxed and did not plan to get vaxxed. She sued. (They were in the position of hiring staff because a bunch of them walked out when the place made vaccination mandatory.)

    He is tolerant of my views, but this was too much–imagine a person suing because they;ve been discriminated against! I know most of the town feels the same way–this selfish a88hole is causing this business we enjoy to close down. I can only imagine the outcry if they decided they were not going to hire nonbinary wait staff.

    I would like to find her and interview her for my column, as a way to broach this topic. I would stick to quoting her, and only the most “vetted”of supporting info–cdc, fda, drug company stuff. But I suspect they would not publish it. We’ll see. Meanwhile, if anyone has links to data that is above being demonized–in other words, no Frontline, Malone, McCoullaugh, etc.–would appreciate it. The Israeli booster chart was created by a guy with a substack called cattitude, and is not the kind of thing that will work. I also suspect it does not yet tell us much about what the boosters may or may not do, since the boosters take 2 weeks to be considered effective, and the chart starts out at zero and is at about 30% after 3 weeks, and does show a dip. Too much noise, too many assumptions, not enough time elapsed for that chart to be worthwhile, IMO.

    The thing that just makes no sense is, the vaccines NEVER claimed to offer any level of immunity. Right there that makes herd immunity a non-possibility in this universe. And even if the vaccines were stopping transmission, the mutation rate of Covid, according to the science, is such that there wojld be a new resistant variant before herd immunity could be achieved.

    And as if all that were not enough, there is the risk benefit for people in their teens, twenties, thirties, forties. Unless they have serious comorbidity, they have a better chance of being struck by lighting than dying from covid, while the dangers of vaccination are still unknown.

    I keep repeating this as if it will maybe wake me from this nightmare. But we are now a shrinking,mostly silent minority. Sometimes I wake up and look to the MSM with the unreasonable glimmer of hope that something will have changed, that things will shift. I know some here believe this is happening. I sure don’t see much evidence around me.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 17 2021 #87372
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    I thought I saw an earlier link here showing evidence that the boosters in Israel were not working to an alarming degree. Now this completely positive paper comes out claiming 95% efficacy. Once again, completely contradicting info. Which is it? (No way to search for that first link, if it exists.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 17 2021 #87370
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    Holy Cow. I don’t have a tv and do not watch tv news. But since this pandemic started, I’ve seen a bunch of snippets on the internet. I would say that exchange between Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo is unbelievable, but sadly, these days, it’s not. Still, the sheer lack of anything approaching nuance or any sort of intellectual curiosity or really any sign of brain waves not flattened by propaganda is frightening enough in your average person. But these are our “information providers.”

    Somebody should do a fake video, same exact dialog exchange, but have it being spoken between, say, Edward R. Murrow and Walter Conkrite. It would even look preposterous if it were between Captain Kangaroo and Soupy Sales, or Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, all of whom have more dignity and smarts than this Lemon-Cuomo horror show duo. Lord help us. Filed under Exhibit A for proof of the decline of civilization.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 16 2021 #87310
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    Mr. House wrote: A second thought: What person who can gift 35,000 would be supporting someone who was actually serious about “taxing the rich”?

    They would be lining up. $35K is chicken feed, and it gets you creds and access. (How much do you think her dress cost? You think she bought it? It might as well say “NIKE” on it, as she hobnobbed around with the “designer.” Once you start down that road, you are compromised, I don’t care what justifications you create.) A number of gazillionaires are on record supporting more taxes. What difference would it make to the mega rich? Besides, they know the deal–the drama will play out and most of it will be stymied. Like masks and vaccines and most everything else these days, it’s theater.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 16 2021 #87291
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    Mister Roboto wrote: What we’re finding out is that vaccinating against respiratory viruses is a much trickier thing than vaccinating against other maladies. That’s why the flu vaccine is only something like half-effective, and they have to keep changing it in order for it to be even that effective.

    Actually, we knew it all along–it’s part of the official description of the “vaccines.” The ones our “President,” “Joe Biden” is now forcing on us.

    The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.

    Hey AAAAAbbott!”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 16 2021 #87290
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    New Orleans Saints of the National Football League have a slight “breakthrough” problem.

    The 16th-year coach didn’t identify by name any of those who had tested positive. But Payton later indicated those missing from in-person preparations included an offensive line coach, a receivers coach, a running backs coach and two tight ends coaches. Payton said all are vaccinated.

    The NFL has quarantine protocols that very much favor the vaccinated. Wonder if these “breakthroughs” keep happening if the policy will change.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 16 2021 #87284
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    I’m seriously about to give up reading before I lose my mind.
    Vaccinated woman’s family who died of COVID blames unvaccinated in obituary
    ‘She was vaccinated but was infected by others who chose not to be,’ her family said

    She was preceded in death by more than 4,531,799 others infected with COVID-19,” her family wrote. “She was vaccinated but was infected by others who chose not to be. The cost was her life.

    Hello? Anybody home? While it is tragic that this person died in her prime, can we step back for a minute? Fact: She was vaccinated in April. Fact: She got covid in July and died.
    So please. Explain again how it was the fault of the unvaccinated? Illinois is right at about 50-50 in terms of vaccinated vs unvaxxed, so statistically it is at least as likely she caught it from a vaccinated spreader–in fact, perhaps more likely, as some of them would be less likely to show severe symptoms. And (obviously) they are perfectly capable of passing the virus on.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 16 2021 #87272
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    I tried to pick a juicy quote from this Vanity Fair piece, but it was so balanced and neutral (and fairly short) that I decided to paste the whole thing. Now the unvaxxed are not just a danger to boosted grandmas, we will soon be responsible for children dying of mumps, measles, and polio. Hopefully forcing us to take the shot will put an end to our selfish and evil ways.

    The Right’s War on COVID Vaccine Mandates Is About to Get Scary
    While polls indicate a majority of Americans support vaccine mandates, conservatives are attacking such public health efforts—and potentially undermining confidence in long-running vaccine requirements.

    By Eric Lutz

    America’s vaccination campaign has made slow, steady progress since its summer lull—and is likely to accelerate as new public and private sector mandates take effect. At the same time, right-wing political and media figures, who have already held back the country’s pandemic response, are finding more moronic battles to fight in the COVID culture war. In recent weeks alone, MAGA conservatives have opted to take a horse dewormer over the safe vaccines; elected officials have likened Joe Biden to a violent dictator for instituting shot requirements a majority of Americans support; and Tucker Carlson has devoted time on his program to talk about what may or more likely may not have happened to Nicki Minaj’s cousin’s friend’s testicles after taking his jabs. As the ailing country struggles to get better, the anti-vax right seems even more determined to get worse.

    Just how much worse could they get? Is it possible their attacks on common sense and the societal good get somehow more absurd? Will the rise of requirements give rise to a search for loopholes? Could their performative, but by now reflexive, opposition to COVID vaccine mandates extend to other vaccine requirements, including those already necessary for many kids to attend school?

    So far, there hasn’t seemed to be a new popular movement against the polio or measles vaccines already mandated for many school children; Ron Johnson hasn’t been going on Fox News to promote a feline tick medication to treat tetanus or anything like that. But the sweeping manner in which prominent Republicans have denounced the new White House plan to combat the pandemic has led to concerns about opposition to other existing and future vaccine requirements. “The 20th century was a century of incredible progress against leading killers, and much of that progress was because of vaccinations,” Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told the Washington Post on Monday. “If we turn our back on vaccines at this moment where vaccines are really having a scientific heyday…I think that would be tragic, and it would cause a lot of unnecessary suffering and death, particularly among children.”

    As the Post noted, while the right has been freaking out over Biden’s COVID-specific public health precautions for a while now, some prominent GOP figures, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and some of his top allies, have made statements recently that imply more general opposition to public health mandates.

    While there has been no immediate indication that McCarthy and his ilk have plans to include the mumps vaccine in their pitched battle against Biden, their wildly irresponsible political rhetoric around inoculations has public health officials worried that it is only a matter of time before other vaccines are swept up in the culture wars, whether intentional or not. “My worry is that there will be a spillover effect from all of this anti-vaccine aggression,” Peter Hotez,a professor of pediatrics and molecular virology and microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine, told the Post.

    Even if these weird, anti-vaccine politics stay contained to the COVID shots, there is still, of course, plenty of damage to be done. While the United States has had access to COVID vaccines that most of the world remains in desperate need of, it is beginning to lag behind other similar nations, as former Biden adviser Andy Slavitt noted Monday. New mandates could help turn that around. (Dr. Anthony Fauci in a recent podcast interview said he would be in favor of a vaccine mandate for airline travel, which White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeff Zients on Monday suggested could be a possibility.) But there are concerns that anti-vaxxers are already seeking out ways to get around the requirements, including through religious exemptions. “The consequences of these forced edicts are enormous,” Mat Staver, founder of the conservative Christian Liberty Council, told the New York Times, describing a surge in interest in religious exemptions to the COVID shots.

    If there’s a bright side to all this, it’s that public opinion appears to be on the side of vaccines rather than on the unmitigated spread of the deadly virus: A spate of recent polls by CNN, Axios, and Morning Consult found a majority support mandates and Biden’s COVID plan—and while the surveys reveal deep partisan divides on vaccines, they also suggest that the percentage of Americans who are steadfast in their refusal of the shots has dwindled and that support for health precautions has grown. The rise of the Delta variant, which has overwhelmed hospitals and threatened the country’s long-awaited return to post-pandemic life, may be convincing more and Americans that their freedom to walk through life without this level of threat from the virus might outweigh the freedom of the unvaccinated to spread a deadly virus in schools, offices, and other public spaces.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 14 2021 #87141
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    deflationista wrote: This is not accurate. You could alleviate any anxiety in your boys by clearing up your misconceptions and explaining to them the actual risk:

    Wow. Up to now,this person was just a mildly annoying douchebag. Crossed over into an arrogant prick with that one. Who the fuck are you to be giving someone advice on how to parent their children.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 12 2021 #86969
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    Polder Dweller wrote: So it’s time to be much more aggressive. From now on I will state firmly my opinion that the vaccines don’t work and that they’re dangerous and then they will be the ones who have to try and come up with evidence for why they believe that the vaxes do work.

    uh, good luck with that. I’ve tried that approach recently and all it does is shut the other person down–“you’re giving me agita, I’m too stressed to talk about this.” Or they shake their heads and smile at you, same as they did a year ago. I find very very very few people in my zone that are even within shouting distance of the TAE narrative. They are still thinking it is the unvaxxed that is the root of the problem. Even sadder and scarier, they think vaxxing the kids is perfectly fine. I see Holmgren mentioned above.

    I took a week long permaculture class up in Ithaca NY about five or six years ago. Was on a walk with a friend last night, passed the house of a permie (big yard in a former working class neighborhood of a Hudson Valley river town) we stopped to pick some raspberries hanging over the fence, then saw her feeding the chickens compost, went in and picked a few pears, chatted.

    She teaches music school, seemed in favor of the youngest kids getting vaxxed up. Even the friend I was walking with who, along with her kids (all under 12 except one) supposedly got covid early on, was not very concerned about what’s happening, and although not a fan, would get vaxxed if unvaxxed status got too inconvenient. I would not hold out for converts among the vaccinated unless and until evidence that the vaccines cause harm is too great to deny or cover up.

    In fact, with the new pressures applied, it’s going the other way. Just met a young woman who moved next door, her mom very anti-vax, she grew up anti-vax, and agrees with it, but took the vax to get a job at a local restaurant. Good friend of mine who owns a restaurant bar is seriously considering adopting the NYC policy of vax only patrons.

    The mind warping is very deep. The constant barrage from the media most people absorb is relentless. Everyone dials in the channels that support the info already soaked into their brain. The other stuff is conspiracy, period. Contempt before investigation. Do you think a few brave doctors or an anonymous nurse on an unknown web podcast will change people’s minds? Do you think most people will sift through all the data and stats? TPTB are counting on “NO” as the answer, and as far as I can see, they have been right so far. I hope there is a shift coming, but the evidence needs to be overwhelming, and it needs to be less than six degrees of separation.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2021 #86843
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    Mandate This.

    Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. –CDC, March, 2020

    Let’s fire everyone who smokes and make them take antismoking medications. In 2020, revenues from tobacco tax in the United States amounted to 12.35 billion U.S. dollars. On second thought…

    In 2019, an estimated 1.5 million deaths were directly caused by diabetes. Another 2.2 million deaths were attributable to high blood glucose in 2012. –WHO

    Let’s outlaw corn syrup and Coca-Cola and McDonalds! Let’s raise the insurance for people with diabetes! We must protect our neighbors, we care a lot. Also, they are taking up hospital beds that could be used for gunshot victims and Ivermectin overdose cases. Oh. On second thought,maybe not.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2021 #86827
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    A few excerpts from Biden’s speech. The scariest sentence to me is this one: We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. What that says is, we were just pretending to give you a choice–you know, to keep up appearances. But wasn’t really a choice. Now go get your meds, or you will lose your job and your right to participate in society.

    So here’s where we stand. The path ahead, even with the Delta variant, is not nearly as bad as last winter. What makes it incredibly more frustrating is that we have the tools to combat Covid-19, and a distinct minority of Americans, supported by a distinct minority of elected officials, are keeping us from turning the corner. These pandemic politics, as I refer to, are making people sick, causing unvaccinated people to die….

    We cannot allow these actions to stand in the way of the large majority of Americans who have done their part and want to get back to life as normal. As your president, I’m announcing tonight a new plan to require more Americans to be vaccinated to combat those blocking public health. My plan also increases testing, protects our economy and will make our kids safer in schools….

    The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers. We’re going to reduce the spread of Covid-19 by increasing the share of the work force that is vaccinated in businesses all across America..

    But wait, hasn’t Fauci said multiple times that the vaccinated have the same amount of viral load in their nasal passages as the unvaccinated, ergo the reinstated mask mandates? So, explain that science again?.

    My message to unvaccinated Americans is this: What more is there to wait for? What more do you need to see? We’ve made vaccinations free, safe and convenient. The vaccine is F.D.A. approved. Over 200 million Americans have gotten at least one shot. We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us.

    So, please, do the right thing. But don’t just take it from me. Listen to the voices of unvaccinated Americans who are lying in hospital beds, taking their final breath, saying, “If only I had gotten vaccinated.” If only. It’s a tragedy. Please don’t let it become yours.

    The second piece of my plan is continuing to protect the vaccinated. The vast majority of you who have gotten vaccinated, I understand your anger at those who haven’t gotten vaccinated.

    Really? Do you also understand the anger of the unvaccinated, that the mandates, aside from being unconstitutional, are anti-science? That only in a land completely dominated and made compliant by agitprop could any of this crap be spouted by a sitting president without causing immediate revolt?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2021 #86823
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    From the top of the NYT this morning:
    Analysis: Biden’s New Vaccine Push Is a Fight for the U.S. Economy.
    Faced with the Delta variant and slowed job growth, President Biden is pursuing vaccinations as fewer states impose lockdowns and business restrictions.
    A surge in Covid deaths has deterred would-be workers from accepting jobs, economists say, causing labor shortages and potential cutbacks in consumer spending.

    Not only are the unvaxxed clogging up hospitals that would otherwise be servicing gunshot victims, not only are they killing grandmothers, but they are destroying the economy, too.
    The mental gymnastics that allow “analysts” to arrive at this conclusion are beyond me. Last week it was the extra unemployment cash that was keeping workers from taking jobs. Now it is workers checking the daily death totals in the NYT causing them to not go on interviews?

    So if “a surge in Covid deaths has deterred would-be workers from accepting jobs”, statistically many of these would-be workers are vaccinated. So if the vaccines work, what are they worried about? If they don’t work, why are they mandating the rest of us get them?

    From my experience the unvaxxed are a lot less fearful overall than the vaxxed, so I suspect, if the above hypothesisby the NTY is even somewhat reality-based, it is mostly vaccinated people not wanting to go get a job. But I think the whole premise is complete conjecture, designed to promote further scapegoating of the unvaxxed. The reason the economy will tank is due to the government response to the pandemic over the last 2 years, as well as pre-existing underlying rot within the financial structure. Nothing to do with people’s personal health decisions.
    Now with the mandates out there, comes the inevitable pushback from Republican governors. The Biden admin can then blame them when the economy goes south. I guess we’ll see how that strategy goes.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2021 #86780
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    boiling frog wrote: My own GP told me that taken prophylactically it [Ivermectin] will damage your liver. Badly.
    Your doctor was almost correct. It actually causes ABS (acute braying syndrome) Initial symptoms include low whinnying and a craving for apples and carrots. Treatment includes a brisk trot around the block and a good long piss. Liver should be fine unless you wash each dose down with a bottle of Johnny Walker Red for the next decade or two.

    Ivermectin – LiverTox – NCBI Bookshelf
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › books › NBK548921
    Apr 9, 2021 —
    Can you take ivermectin if you have liver problems?
    Ivermectin is usually well tolerated and the liver injury reported with its use has been mild and self-limited in course. Ivermectin has not been associated with acute liver failure or chronic liver injury.Apr 9, 2021

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2021 #86779
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    My TAE summary for 9/9/2021 (with apologies to @therealtaesummary ) Fuck you, “Joe Biden.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2021 #86701
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    At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think the speculation about the number of vaccine-related deaths here on TAE is at least as bad as the official Covid death toll. In my personal sphere, I have a colleague on the other side of the country whose healthy mid-30s daughter suffered an unexplained paralysis shortly after being vaxxed. Doctor assured her not related. Other than that, no friends, family, friends of friends, etc. etc. 6 degrees etc. has had any serious adverse reactions. That obviously does not include mid to long term, and I have no intention of submitting to a vaccine, no matter how difficult “Joe Biden” tries to make life for the unvaxxed.

    My big concern is my son, who is eleven. I have no say, and I do have concerns about the long-term harm this will have on children. Even if there is not direct damage from the vaccine itself, they will be hooked into a big pharma solution. The current variants do not harm any but the most compromised children, and they should be building a lifetime of natural immunity. What happens when society no longer has the ways and means to manufacture and distribute these highly technical and fragile vaccines? You have a generation with zero natural protection ready to be mowed down.

    As others have said, my greatest alarm is reserved for the way the governments are responding, and the widespread complacency and or complicity of the populace. Given the known facts–not a very deadly illness for most, vaccines never claimed by manufacturers to stop spread, obvious proof that they are not working well in the near short term–the response of mandates, passports, shunning, etc. is beyond illogical. This alone would be enough to convince me Ivermectin is worth a shot (ha ha).

    I also feel that the constant reminders of the insanity are probably not doing me much good spiritually. But on the other hand, a support group during this madness is very helpful. But with the mass buy-in and the human dislike of cutting our losses, and the amount of illogical nonsense already swallowed and ingested, I don’t see bright prospects of anything turning this around. I see it as a nice marinade before we are thrown directly into the frying pan by some other disaster, most likely emanating from the financial sector. One thing I do not see, for sure, is any of our leaders around the world instituting anything remotely resembling a logical plan to deal with things going forward. Not. Even. Close. Will. Not. Be. Happening. But hey, cheer up!:

    (You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    Deteriorata, Deteriorata)

    Go placidly amidst the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires. Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself; and heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys. Know what to kiss – and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do. Wherever possible, put people on hold. Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance.

    (You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    Whether you can hear it or not,
    The universe is laughing behind your back.)

    Remember the Pueblo. Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate. Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI. Exercise caution in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you… That lemon on your left, for instance. Be assured that a walk through the seas of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love, therefore, it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of youth: the birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan – and let not the sands of time get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311, ask for Ken. Take heart in the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese. And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee.

    (You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    Whether you can hear it or not,
    The universe is laughing behind your back.)

    Therefore, make peace with your god, whatever you perceive him to be: hairy thunderer or cosmic muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. GIVE UP!

    (You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    Whether you can hear it or not,
    The universe is laughing behind your back.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 8 2021 #86601
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    MATERIALS AND METHODS
    Subjects
    In this study we screened a total of 385 patients who were diagnosed of onchocerciasis. Out of
    which, 37 (9.6%) were eligible for further tests, as their sperm counts were normal while the
    remaining patients had very low sperm counts and were therefore not used for further tests or
    were too weak after the preliminary screening tests and were not considered eligible for further
    test/studies.
    We therefore investigated the effects of ivermectin therapy on the sperm functions of
    these eligible 37 diagnosed patients of onchocerciasis who were of ages between 28 and 57
    years. The sperm functions of these thirty-seven (37) onchocerciasis patients were
    evaluated/analyzed both before and after treatment with ivermectin after informed consent have
    been obtained from each subjects and the study was conducted in compliance with the
    Declaration on the Right of the Patient [9].

    Let me see if I understand. Of the 385 males diagnosed with t onchocerciasis, 90% HAD SPERM LEVELS SO BELOW NORMAL THEY COULD NOT BE USED IN THE TEST. Just under 10% had normal sperm counts to begin with. So, maybe the parasite might have had something to do with it?
    With 4 billion doses served, you would think Africa would be depopulated by now.

    Interestingly, about the same percentage of people who get onchocerciasis, 10%, are asymptomatic.

    *Oncocercomas are subcutaneous, fibrous nodules where adult worms dwell and breed. These nodules are most easily felt when they form over a bony part of the body. Deep nodules around the groin region can be harder to detect, but finding every nodule is important for appropriate treatment of the disease. Having more nodules does not necessarily indicate a more severe microfilarial load.
    -The location of the nodules on the body depends on the place that the fly bites, which varies by region. In the Americas, the nodules are found mostly on the upper body in the head and neck region, in contrast to Africa where the nodules are mostly on the lower body, especially in the groin region.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 6 2021 #86447
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    Wow. I actually got through the smarty pants windbag that deflationista linked to, the Fuller guy posing as Rational Man Good Sensible Guy–“Hey, I’m human, but I semi-check and I don’t get all smug and all. ”

    What a tool. 1000 words to try to justify a bullshit piece full of lies and suppositions by RS. As if the nuts and bolts of how they formulated the hit piece make one goddamn bit of difference. I’ve really never seen such a load of horsepuck.

    Lets do deaths by Ivermectin vs. Deaths by Vaccine
    Lets do serious permanent adverse side affects from Ivermectin (horse paste or human, as long at the study does not include horsepaste with other meds added) vs serious side affects from vaccine.
    Don’t forget to divide the Ivm results by 4 billion…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 6 2021 #86409
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    Dr. D wrote: They’re all missing the main flaw in the Rolling Stone horse paste article. Hospital? Sallisaw, OK. Population? 7,900. Problem? “Standing lines of gunshot victims.” Aside from the “standing” part, also a problem, and winter coats, also a problem, the gunshot rates – murder rates – in Sallisaw are?

    I don’t think anybody missed any of that–it’s why the piece was immediately seen as a pile of stink. (But the photo they ran with it was captioned as people waiting in line last January to get vaccinated–while misleading, it was correctly identified as a photo of the good obedient citizens waiting for their meds to be distributed.

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    Faber points out, “I can tell you one feature of all the socialist countries I have visited in my life, and all of them had less freedom, less happiness than we have, and the standards of living were substantially, not a little bit, but substantially lower than they are in the free capitalistic world.

    Sorry, but while the “free” capitalistic world may have afforded us material advantages for the last 70 years, it has never been free, it is highly regulated in favor of the U.S. Oligarchy. And no matter what system, we are all headed for a “substantially lower” standard of living. He misses the big picture of limits to growth as the primary systemic cause of much of the upheaval we are experiencing. If you don’t start with that (and few pundits do, never mind the governments of the world) you will always end up wandering lost in the maze of politics, financial markets, and “Ismism,” like a senile old man trying to find his life preserver as his house burns down around him.

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    Raul wrote:Spike proteins and aging, senescence, are definitely a major thing. With this jab I shorten your life by 10 years!

    Yes, but from the way I read it, they are also saying that Covid itself could have this long term affect as well.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 6 2021 #86400
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    Today’s top Health headlines in NYT:

    The Best Birthday Present in 2021? A Covid Vaccine.
    Hospitalizations for children sharply increase as Delta surges, C.D.C. studies find.
    More Than 80 Percent of Seniors Are Vaccinated. That’s ‘Not Safe Enough.’

    More in Sports:
    Brazil-Argentina World Cup qualifier suspended after health officials enter field

    This is what passes for a Rolling Stone “correction.” Tiabbi got out of there just in time. (The headline is the only part available on its twitter feed.)

    One Hospital Denies Oklahoma Doctor’s Story of Ivermectin Overdoses Causing ER Delays for Gunshot Victims

    The hospital says it hasn’t experienced any care backlog due to patients overdosing on a drug that’s been falsely peddled as a covid cure

    Note that it says “One Hospital”–as though the other 50 hospitals in the story stick to ER delays. But there was only one. Note that they get in the “falsely peddled” even in the “correction.”

    From the copy:
    Following widespread publication of his statements, one hospital that the doctor’s group serves, NHS Sequoyah, said its ER has not treated any ivermectin overdoses and that it has not had to turn away anyone seeking care. This and other hospitals that the doctor’s group serves did not respond to requests for comment and the doctor has not responded to requests for further comment. We will update if we receive more information.

    “Following widespread publication of his statements…!!?” Makes it sound like the entire press corps was mislead by this doc in Oklahoma. No, it was RS that published the story, and everyone else just rehashed it. No responsibility. Just pathetic.

    This is why we should not have much hope of the narrative purging itself of most of the untruths and becoming even a bit more balanced. How can that happen when the majority of people A. read the first story and not any “corrections” –in the few instances where they are forced to go through the motions, and B.the rest is manipulated, or suppressed, or censored outright.

    The issue is not even how miraculous Ivermectin is or is not. It’s the blatant presentation of the medication as a horse paste, the failure to allow a medication less dangerous than aspirin to be used in treating Covid, the terribly unscientific approach this all represents. I would call it voodoo medicine but that would be an insult to witch doctors, who at this point I would trust with my health more than MSM (Mainstream Medicine). Just mindboggling. It is to me by far the scariest aspect of the last 20 months.It is what will make the disintegration of the economy that much more chaotic and unintelligible to the average person. I now wonder what will happen if Biden/Harris doesn’t make it. What forces will fill that vacuum?

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    Shoot can’t get the dang image to show.

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    Wilbur, where's my you-know-what?! I got worms here.

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    Oops, I see phoenixvoice beat me to it–the newer comments did not load until I posted mine. Another weird software thing.

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    Dr. D wrote: Mu, like all variants, doesn’t escape natural immunity at all. So congratulations: if you did nothing, you’re covered.

    I don’t think this is correct, at least the At All part. As explained in the link posted yesterday, the Covid virus is more like the flu than the measles in terms of the mechanism it uses to unlock the cell it is trying to invade. So when the virus mutates, the mutation doesn;t have an issue getting back in. But the more complicated viruses, when they mutate, it throws off the entry procedure too much, they don’t get in, and it’s a mutational dead end. The flu method is simple, like breaking a car window. Measles and small pox would be trying to call a locksmith to reproduce the key, and the locksmith that turns up is actually a Microsoft programmer. Covid is maybe like putting a hanger down through the window and popping the button (we’re going with old cars in this analogy). So it mutates pretty fast, too.

    Natural immunity should give you some cross-immunity, so you might not get as sick. But just like you can catch the flu every year, you can get sick again from a covid variant.

    Also the viruses we have “eradicated” apparently only infect humans. Covid is now in deer, cats, gorillas, etc.,mutating away. In other words, herd immunity, whether we came up with vaccines or just let the virus rip, was never even remotely possible. And anyone who knew basic virology would know this. At least this is how I interpreted the article, which seems to make a lot of sense to me.
    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html?m=1

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    ^^Good one, Raul.

    Good stock photo though: gun shot victims standing in line at the hospital while wearing winter coats in August. Total horse shit.”

    Actually the photo used is: “People wait in line to receive a COVID-19 vaccine at Ebenezer Baptist Church, Tuesday, Jan. 26, 2021, in Oklahoma City.” Yeah, he was mocking the fact that it would be kinda hard for them to get a photo of gunshot victims waiting for service since…even if that were theoretically possible, it didn’t happen.

    I believe there are various codes and other ways emergency rooms prioritize who they see first, unless they do it differently in Oklahoma–although according to Chris Martenson that state actually has very detailed records of Covid cases. If you’ve ever gone to an emergency room with a non-life-threatening issue, you know you can be there a while before you get seen. They take car accident cases, people with heart attacks and strokes, stabbing victims before they attend to your broken arm or nausea from ingesting too much Ivermectin.

    Ironic that they are claiming Ivermectin causes blindness.

    Re: Pfizer pills. This would make the Ivermectin Will Kill You and Make You Blind stories make more sense. Along with a board member “conceding” that natural immunity should be considered (gee, ya think) I believe they may be laying the groundwork for a transition to “VACCINES++” protocol.

    Hey y’all, vaccines are the first line of defense and absolutely required for your survival, but as we’ve said all along, they do not provide complete protection. But the one-two punch of our Comirnaty booster plus our Covquillity pill 2x a day will keep the intubator away! Talk to your provider now! Operators are standing by!

    Apologies for not mentioning who posted this link, too time-consuming to search through previous comments. But it calmly lays out the indisputable facts that should have been obvious from Day 1. It’s not the kind of illness that can be “defeated” by vaccinations–OR natural immunity. Humans simply have to find ways to mitigate the most harmful effects and let it mutate into an even more benign form, like every virus before it. This includes looking at existing drugs that do not have a long list of side effects as well as developing new formulations.
    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html?m=1

    Vaccines should be reserved for the same demographic that lines up for the flu shots every year, plus anyone deemed to have comorbidities that put them at risk, or anyone fearful of trusting their own immune system.

    By the way, in one of Martenson’s videos, it seemed to me that he was implying that the Delta variant could have been a lab manipulation. Anybody catch that?

    It’s becoming obvious that the medical establishments, world media, and many governments have lied so heavily through all this that they will simply not even attempt to walk it back, but will continue to plow ahead. We’ve already seen this tactic employed with RussiaGate, the Ukraine situation, Hunter Biden’s criminality and depravities, and so on.

    This is the new normal. And the fear factor of Covid has now created a kind of Stockholm syndrome between the populace and those manipulating the narrative–once you’ve been injected, you can’t unvax yourself, so you form an even tighter bond to those who misled you and pressured you, despite all logic pointing out the fallacies of this position.Your psychological defense mechanisms create a benevolence in the authorities that is for the most part not there.

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    More from the world of sports:

    Oscar De La Hoya hospitalized after contracting coronavirus
    The 48-year-old boxer said he was fully vaccinated

    Had to cancel his upcoming fight, obviously. Maybe he should give Joe Rogan a call.

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    Raul wrote:

    And I hadn’t even seen this, which Jim Kunstler describes:

    The pharmaceutical lobbying group known as the American Medical Association called this week for an “immediate end” to the use of ivermectin to treat Covid-19. They forbid member doctors to prescribe it.

    Actually I posted it in the comments late yesterday, quoting from an article in The Hill linked by
    DarkMatter about the Arkansas prisoners

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    From the link to The Hill posted earlier::
    Arkansas inmates say they weren’t told they were treated for COVID-19 with ivermectin
    By Olafimihan Oshin – 09/02/21 02:46 PM EDT

    Inmates at an Arkansas prison said they weren’t told that they were treated for COVID-19 with the drug Ivermectin, a known livestock de-wormer, according to The Associated Press

    A “known” livestock de-wormer? Kinda like a “known” child molester. Could there be unknown livestock de-wormers roaming around out there?.

    The Arkansas American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said that inmates are preparing to sue Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder for prescribing them the drug without their knowledge, the AP reported.

    Ah, yes. I guess they called their lawyers right away. Or perhaps a helpful lawyer dropped in to visit.

    Various associations including the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Pharmacists Association (APA) on Wednesday called for the immediate end of prescribing ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment outside of clinical trials.

    Well, since they are in the service of Big Pharma, what are we to expect? (They better get the American Veterinary Medical Association on board, too.)

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    Remember a couple weeks back, when the WSJ published an opinion piece that was favorable to Ivermectin? For about 5 minutes, we thought Ah, finally, the narrative is turning around. Instead, they’ve doubled down and there is a hit piece every day now, mostly bloviating around the same one or two anecdotes, as well as associating the drug with “right wingers” “anti-vaxxers” “conspiracists” and others truly on the fringe. Tying us into the pre-existing antivax movement is disingenuous but very effective, unfortunately. I really don’t want Robert Kennedy being used to represent my views, and in my opinion it hurts the argument against these vaccines.

    Deflationeesta asked why didn’t they attack the other drugs that Joe Rogan took. Because they are not as dangerous to the narrative, while Ivermectin’s use and popularity continues to grow, and needs to be discredited by all means available. The fact that they harp on the veterinary use of the drug almost exclusively should tell any sane person that they have no real desire to look at “the science” but are content to make jokes–“the horseplay continues” etc.

    The battle lines appear to have hardened, and I don’t see anything on the horizon that will change this–even if some of the bad stuff being speculated about the vaccines comes to pass, there is just too much trickery and control for it to have an impact on the vaccinated, and they have too much invested–they can’t unvax themselves. Most will go in for more a la the boosters.

    I took my 11-year-old son and his friend of the same age to a minature golf and arcade place on Monday. The new school year came up, and masks, and then vaccines. My son’s friend will be going for his on his birthday,”but I won’t really get to do all the normal stuff until I get the third shot.” About the most horrifying and depressing thing I’ve heard in a long time. My son, whose birthday is in November, will also be getting a birthday jab–I have joint custody in name only, in NYS one parent must be designated custodial, and it is most often the mother. He is not necessarily as gung-ho, since he knows his dad is unvaxxed and will remain so. I just do not want to create too much anxiety for him at this point.

    The fact that the majority is already blatantly ignoring basic known facts such as that the vaccinated get and spread the virus has already created an Alice in Wonderland madness that grows more insane by the day. Unfortunately I think it will get a lot worse before it gets better. I read an opinion piece in the NYT today by two people who work for the ACLU explaining why mandates do not violate any civil rights or freedoms. I might agree, if this were the Black Plague and the vaccines were sterile.

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    The Guardian’s take on Joe Rogan and Ivermectin Note correction at bottom (you can see what first headline was like by reading URL):

    Though ivermectin can be prescribed to target parasitic infections in humans, the US Food and Drug Administration has not approved the drug for use against the coronavirus. In large doses, the FDA warns, it can be dangerous, with side effects including “nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death”.

    But after an Australian study last year that found ivermectin could kill Covid in a lab, chatter about the drug has exploded online. Politicians and rightwing talkshow hosts have promoted it – even as the very researchers behind the study warn against it. In the US, prescriptions for the drug have soared from 3,600 weekly before the pandemic to more than 88,000 in a week last month, per CDC data. At the same time, poison control centers have seen calls related to ivermectin explode, reaching five times their usual rate in July, the Washington Post reported.

    Rogan’s announcement is not his first widely criticized tango with ivermectin. The 22 June episode of his podcast features an interview with Dr Pierre Kory, who testified to US senators in December about ivermectin and called it a “miracle drug”.

    But experts strongly disagree, and forcefully warn against self-treating with the medication. “I plead with people to stop using ivermectin and get the vaccine because it’s the best protection we have at this point,” the toxicologist Shawn Varney told the New York Times. “Everything else is risk after risk.” A study touting the drug was withdrawn due to ethical concerns, with the authors apparently having simply used a thesaurus to alter paragraphs from press releases about the drug.

    This article was amended on 2 September 2021 to clarify at first mention that ivermectin can be used to treat both humans and livestock.

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    MSM* Doctor: I see patients coming in all the time, double jabbed and seriously ill. They look at me and beg to try Ivermectin. I hold their hand and tell them the FDA won’t let me, but maybe their relatives could make them some horse paste cupcakes as a last hope before I intubate.

    *Main Stream Medicine, aka, Medical-Industrial Division (MAD) of the U.S. Government.

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    @deflationista once again mocking anything other than what is fed to them by the “authorities.”

    Taking a “cocktail” of off patent medications is a time-tested way of dealing with difficult illnesses, so not sure what’s so dumb about it. Apparently he is feeling much improved. So either nothing helped, and he is in the 99.whatever percent that survives this disease, and/or it made the illness go away faster, with less damage and perhaps less likelihood of “Long Covid.” No harm No foul.

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    I refer a lot to Ivan Illich. He was a thinker who could see the increasing problems with modern society, and tried in vain to get the world to develop some braking systems. Here is part of a review of Medical Nemesis and Limits to Medicine, available as a free pdf in various places online.

    Health, argues Illich, is the capacity to cope with the human reality of death, pain, and sickness. Technology can help, but modern medicine has gone too far—launching into a Godlike battle to eradicate death, pain, and sickness. In doing so, it turns people into consumers or objects, destroying their capacity for health.

    Illich sees three levels of iatrogenesis. Clinical iatrogenesis is the injury done to patients by ineffective, toxic, and unsafe treatments. The book has extensive footnotes and Illich is equally at home with the New England Journal of Medicine and medieval German texts, making him a formidable opponent for the contemporary doctor who might dispute his conclusions. Evidence based medicine is described in these pages, 20 years before the term was coined. Illich also points out that 7% of patients suffer injuries while hospitalised. Yet only in the past few years and in a few countries have doctors begun to take patient safety seriously.

    Social iatrogenesis results from the medicalisation of life. More and more problems are seen as amenable to medical intervention. Pharmaceutical companies develop expensive treatments for non-diseases. Health care consumes an ever growing proportion of the budget. In 1975 the United States spent $95bn on health care, 8.4% of its gross national product—up, Illich noted, from 4.5% in 1962. Predictions published this month suggest it will be $2815bn, 17% of GNP, by 2011. Can this be sensible?

    Worse than all of this for Illich is cultural iatrogenesis, the destruction of traditional ways of dealing with and making sense of death, pain, and sickness. “A society’s image of death,” argues Illich, “reveals the level of independence of its people, their personal relatedness, self reliance, and aliveness.” Dying has become the ultimate form of consumer resistance.

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    From National Propaganda Radio:
    Rogan says he took a drug the FDA urges people not to use

    That included taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug that is formulated for use in cows and horses. While a version of the drug is sometimes prescribed to people for head lice or skin conditions, the formula for animal use is much more concentrated. The Food and Drug administration is urging people to stop ingesting the animal version of the drug to fight COVID-19, warning it can cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurologic disorders and potentially severe hepatitis requiring hospitalization.

    Sometimes? I think you mean 3 billion times, with a safety record better than Tylenol? And won the Nobel prize for its creators in part for its role in stopping river blindness in, what’s that country again? Oh, right. Africa. The drug that is listed as essential by the WHO.

    Again, I suspect the bad reactions from the veterinary mixes is due to either not understanding the math for figuring dose, or buying a version that includes other medications. I can see this easily happening, as I have been to Tractor Supply and there are a variety of brands, some with just Ivm, some that contain additional medications.

    The real crime is that people are being forced to use the veterinary version due to the demonization of the drug by the FDA and the rest of the medical industry, in service to Big Pharma. Even if the drug does not work as effectively as its proponents claim, it is benign in the extreme in the formulation created for humans. You would think in a pandemic situation that allowing people to use it would be highly encouraged.

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    However, coincident with the end of California’s mask mandate on June 15 and the rapid dominance of the B.1.617.2 (delta) variant that first emerged in mid-April and accounted for over 95% of UCSDH isolates by the end of July (Figure 1), infections increased rapidly, including cases among fully vaccinated persons.

    Was it the end of the mask mandate, or the start of the summer, when, like Florida, more Californians spend indoor time in airconditioned spaces with no real circulation?

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    “…the dewormer drug that CONSPIRACISTS say cures Covid 19”

    They must love the double duty of that slur—Conspire plus bonus racists.

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    From the Salon email: The anti-parasite drug has been all the rage in right-wing circles, where due to some questionable logic and a reflexive fear of authority

    Actually that would be a well-earned mistrust of “authority.”

    It’s kind of amazing, the complete subjugation of the liberal cause and its media by the Deep State.They are literally acting as pr and thought police and propaganda ministry for Big Pharma, the “health industry” and the same bloodstained fools that dragged us through Afghanistan, are printing money in the White House basement, and do not understand the first thing about Limits to Growth and dwindling resources, instead they constantly spew out technofantasies like Mars, hydrogen, electric everything, universal income, modern monetary theory, racial programming, Pick Your Gender programming, blah blah blah. So yeah, I’m fearful in the sense of coming upon a demented sociopath clown playing with a loaded machine gun….

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    When I went to the site, they somehow signed me up for their “Good Morning” email:

    Just how easy is it to get ivermectin?

    The anti-parasite drug has been all the rage in right-wing circles, where due to some questionable logic and a reflexive fear of authority, a shocking number of people have begun taking the version meant for livestock and soiling themselves in public to own the libs. It’s all a little… unbelievable.

    So Salon’s Nicole Karlis set out to see for herself: just how easy is it to get ivermectin?

    The short answer? Shockingly easy.

    A constellation of telehealth providers have popped up to satisfy the skyrocketing demand for ivermectin, despite the fact that there’s no good evidence it even works in the first place. It’s basic supply and demand, I suppose, driven by an overzealous right-wing media ecosystem happy to trade the health of its audience for the advancement of a purely ideological project.

    For a fee, and a few short minutes filling out online paperwork, Karlis was able to book an appointment over the phone with a doctor. But the doctor never even called — instead, he had gone ahead and written the prescription anyways.

    Find out what happened next by reading the full story here.
    This is how easy it is to get ivermectin, the dewormer drug that conspiracists say cures COVID-19Telehealth platforms make it easy to get off-label prescriptions of the anti-parasitic drug with bad side effects

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