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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle November 22 2021 #93195
    boilingfrog
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    I know we’re really focused here on Covid, and the failure of the mRNA therapy, and rightly so. A doctor friend was fired this past Wednesday for refusing the shot, and another doc (family) is on the bubble now.

    But as that medical technology (“progress”?!) seems to be building to a crashing crescendo (one hopes for stnning victory…or clear defeat, quickly) I am seeing a lot of other “progress” being pushed.

    60 Minutes had a segment on a company trying to build the next version of supersonic flight (“Boom”) with United Airlines throwing in with them. NASA is working on reducing the sonic boom, and subsequent damage with an X-59 plane. The founder of the company, ex-Amazon, was viewing the end goal as “anywhere in the world in four hours, for one hundred dollars”.

    And in the paper today, “Advanced Air Mobility” project featuring electric aviation. The graphic used shows a landing structure nestled in an older neighborhood that hearkens back to The Jetson’s, and maybe a little Dulles Airport”.

    The dreams of “progress” seem (a) linear, (b) involve autonomous vehicles, (c) electric vehicles, (d) new controls over the laws of physics, and (e) unlimited resources.

    Buckle up…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2021 #93102
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    “Complex systems, like the economy which supports us, arise gradually in nature, and decline rapidly when necessary resources are depleted”

    Some here may be interested in a book by David S. Abraham; “The Elements Of Power: gadgets, guns, and the struggle for a sustainable future in the Rare Metal age”.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2021 #92966
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    Doc Robinson, thanks for your thoughts on the flu issue…something to keep an eye on, I guess.

    Does anybody remember the story (I think it was on NPR) from a couple of years back, out of the Pacific Northwest… health authorities reported a very localized outbreak of some sort, it was a mystery to them. Some authority even made the decision to shut down the high school to stop the spread. When they elevated it to the state (federal?) level, they were ordered to “stand down”.

    This thing has been loose for a while, and more-and-more footsteps keep appearing…all leading to Ecohealth Alliance. Is it even posdiblt to vaccinate against a “two-headed chimera”? Thus far, the answer seems “no”…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2021 #92943
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    Have no idea what to make of “no flu season” last year, but CNN has an article talking about it today. I am thinking it’ll be used as further ammunition to crank down on the unvaxed.

    CNN: “While influenza activity is very low in the United States, it’s getting started and there’s enough to indicate that there will be at least some kind of flu season this year, unlike last year, when an emphasis on frequent handwashing, mask use, closures of schools and businesses, and social distancing pretty much shut down transmission of the virus.”

    “The CDC estimates that, depending on the season, flu kills anywhere from 12,000 to 61,000 people a year in the United States. During the first week of November, 14% of deaths were attributable to influenza, pneumonia or Covid-19. Only 0.3% of specimens tested came back positive for influenza this past week, the CDC found, and just 295 people have been hospitalized for flu.”
    “On Monday, the CDC confirmed it was helping state and local health officials in Michigan investigate an outbreak of more than 500 cases among students at the University of Michigan. That’s the biggest single outbreak so far.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 17 2021 #92689
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    Regarding the sins of financialization, Bill Blain’s ‘Morning Porridge’ contains this regarding Boeing: “At the end of this month a new book will be launched – Flying Blind: the 737 Max Tragedy and the Fall of Boeing, by Peter Robinson. Bloomberg carries a piece on it this morning: Boeing Built an Unsafe Plane, and Blamed the Pilots When it Crashed.”

    So, Rittenhouse brings a rifle to a riot and is charged with homicide…but the highly educated folks running Boeing (here’s looking at you, Dennis Muilenberg and your board of directors) can put an unsafe airplane out there, kill many, falsely place blame and still travel freely. I long ago expected charges to be brought against them abroad… of course they would never be prosecuted, but they might be forced to restrict their travel (unlike the Hauwei executive).

    On Covid, I had a chat with some strongly pro-vax friends last evening over beer. They were blaming the unvaxed and I gently gave them some details about Ireland, Gibralter, etc. “Something is really amiss, we are missing something here… when I make a diagnosis and fix something and the problem remains, I need to recognize that I mis-diagnosed the problem. That seems to be what we have here. Our actions are clearly not working and we need to step back and take a breath, not push harder down the wrong path”.

    A light bulb seems to have been lit.

    Collect the data, Fauci, and come clean. You tried yo cover it all up, but you failed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 16 2021 #92536
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    Really got a laugh out of the Onion-esque parady of the COP26 foolishness. To include the over-the-top use of private jets to attend the author could also weave in something about “attending AA meetings while drunk” or something.

    But just a wonderfully creative piece to bring the nonsense to an understandable level (“We know by analogy”)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 14 2021 #92363
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    Lest we forget, Turley was roundly boo-ed for warning the Democrats that their sprint to impeachment was far too rushed…
    Now, with a (seemingly) methodical investigation by Durham, the Steele Dossier is reduced to vapors. And the response by the Democrats to the unmasking of this Rock of Gibralter of evidence?…

    Misinformation. Disinformation. Propaganda…

    Neither side wears a ‘white hat’… yet we rush to pick a side. “Red Rover, red rover, let Chris Christy come over to our side! (and take Cuomo’s place?)”

    Keeping Fauci (and his pathetic logical fallacy of ‘appeal to authority) in place will, always and ever, create a big hole in the legitimacy of the ‘vaccines’. Maybe they don’t teach logic at Holy Cross or Cornell, or in Master of Public Health programs.

    Logic, so “yesterday”.

    And global warming conferences… why can’t these folks jet-pool? When I and my fellow carpenters find out we’re going to the same climate conference, we ALWAYS discuss who’s jet we’ll take and share the ride over. Duh!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 9 2021 #91895
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    When I was in school, some of the professors would make the argument for tenure be: “We have to have the security to publish our work, no outside pressure or threat to our jobs because that will skew studies and results.”

    (Now, universities have become the publicly-supported, outsourced R&D Departments for corporations)

    Now I see these same professors are (at least here), railing against “misinformation” and actively supporting suppression and censorship. Professor Vinay Prasad, as published in the Brownsyone Institute, how long till ‘retribution’ comes in his direction for asking a question?

    Those who screamed about any doubts in the (emotional) case of “Trump + Russia”, shouting down qustions, are silent in the face of the public evisceration of the Steele dossier.

    What a world

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 6 2021 #91711
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    Watched PBS NewsHour last night and David Brooks had a sub, a writer from Ohio, I believe.
    After they went through all their slanted news coverage, the fawning over Biden and Pelosi, etc, it was time for Capeheart and this other writer.

    From my vantage point on the ground here in Virginia, all I’ve seen since the election is for Democrats to say: “There’s no problem with WHAT we have been promoting, it’s that we’ve been too slow in PASSING it. That’s why we lost.”

    From the top on down, that seems to be the takeaway. Including Capeheart, who did not appear to hear a word of what his fellow commenter was quietly saying, but simply monologued on about how (basically) “Woke” is correct thinking. Blah blah blah.

    I don’t know if Capeheart went to Harvard, but Dr D got me thinking about it this morning, this “blah talk” versus 200 pounds of Big Mac wrappers in the back of the El Camino.

    Most days now feel like a visit to the optometrist: “Focus on the bottom row, which is clearer, this…or, *click*, this?” That’s how the world seems, and the comments here are like the different settings on the machine. Aspects of the world are ‘fuzzy’ (to say the least), and then someone’s comment “clicks” and there might be a moment of clarity. In one aspect, at least.

    Thanks all, for assisting in the search for clarity.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 28 2021 #91086
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    @ sumac.carol,
    YES! It’s just those kinds of observations – the consistent behavior of sworn enemies – that also gives me great pause. It just doesn’t fit some of the narratives, and the example you mention is confounding. “Yes, but…”

    So many vacuums in our world today of any thing resembling ‘certainty’. These instances seem to be crying out for an explanation, a story, something to complete the projected pattern.
    I very much appreciate Raul, and this group, and have printed out the publications sourced (thank you).

    As Gibran famously said: Say not ‘I have found the truth,’ but rather, ‘I have found a truth.’ Sadly, we seem to have truths opposing each other at this moment.

    Discernment eludes me

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 28 2021 #91040
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    Good morning (here) all,

    Saw my GP (Ph.D in pharmacology) yesterday for a tick bite that caused great swelling in 24 hours. Big shot of Doxy in my rump reversed that.. )

    Once again I asked about Ivermectin and got:
    (a) straw man argument about ‘cattle-sized’ doses, and (b) “if used prophylactically, it destroys your liver. We’d be facing a wave of liver transplants in the future”.

    I’ve been trying to find out about this claim of ‘liver damage’, with no luck. Anyone else here know about this, true of false?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89957
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    “According to Catanzara, the police union is preparing a lawsuit against the city if Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s administration attempts to enforce the mandate, which requires city workers to report their vaccine status by Friday or be placed on a “no-pay” status.

    “It’s safe to say that the city of Chicago will have a police force at 50 percent or less for this weekend coming up,” Catanzara said.”

    NOW things are going to get ‘interesting’.

    What percentage of delivery drivers, pilots, firemen, police officers, etc, would it take to ‘get noticed’?

    Human nature datapoint:
    As an older graduate student, I was furious with the literal abuse some newly minted ‘professors’ were heaping on us, as was my entire (small) class.
    I suggested that all fifteen of us simply boycott these particular classes till something changed. Though miserable, nobody would risk their “grade point averages” in demanding decency. I left, but the others stayed and suffered.

    We had nothing but a stupid, very subjective number on the line and smart people ‘cowered’. Just imagine if it was a mortgage, car payment, meals for their kids, at risk. The VAST majority will bitch… and do nothing.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89937
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    Bob Nardelli, “conservative”, made his money during the greatest debt-bubble in housing in history. Moved on to manage a 2x bailed out car manufacturer. Home Depot taljs “team”, but if you make too much per hour (say $17), regardless of your experience and loyalty, they cancel your position, create a new one, and have you re-bid…wait for it…for less money (say $13).

    Now wants the military involved in supplanting the free-market economy so he doesn’t have to face the consequences of a system he helped build, and reaped the benefits.

    [From Fox News] “The ongoing labor shortage in the U.S. is now leading to massive cargo delays and shortages within the supply chain. Bob Nardelli, former CEO of Home Depot and Chrysler, warns the problem is becoming a national emergency. On “Fox & Friends,” Nardelli said “we need to be aggressive,” and suggested an emergency declaration that would allow the military to get involved in transporting cargo.”

    Government shutdowns, however, should NEVER include the FAA or air traffic control
    If they did, what use would the corporations FIVE (French manufactured) Dassault Falcons sitting in Atlanta be?!

    “Selective conservative” much, Bob?
    BITFD

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89936
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    In the “small anecdotal datapoints” category, had a conversation with a delivery driver for one of the big companies (hint: brown uniform). He was livid with all the electronic “management” (I use that term facetiously) on the drivers by ‘management’, and said he’d yet to be paid (a large sum) for overtime work during the pandemic.

    Another friend has the same role with the competition (rhymes with “FedEx”). Also very upset. Pay, hours, “monitoring”, mandates, etc

    If this is any indication of a greater overall mood with the rank-and-file of these companies, sell any stock you may have in these corporations. These guys are pissed. Really pissed.

    Curious if others see this, too.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89933
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    “I do not believe the city has the authority to mandate that to anybody, let alone that information about your medical history.”

    Chicago, John Catanzara, Fraternal Order of Police President

    “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday said that roughly a quarter of House members have yet to get vaccinated for coronavirus but added that “privacy” matters prevent her from disclosing names or requiring members to take the vaccine.”

    Washington D.C.
    Forbes, April 29, 2021

    (Sigh) Yet another, “For thy, not I” moment…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89398
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    And, right od wrong, I appreciate Deflationista keeping me honest…

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/the-virginia-tech-super-spreader-that-wasnt/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89397
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    At this particular moment I have been struggling with the issue of “breakthrough cases”, and would appreciate any thoughts folks might add. When I go to the CDC’s webpage I find this:

    [CDC] “The findings in this report are subject to at least two limitations. First, the number of reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases is likely a substantial undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. The national surveillance system relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. Many persons with vaccine breakthrough infections, especially those who are asymptomatic or who experience mild illness, might not seek testing. Second, SARS-CoV-2 sequence data are available for only a small proportion of the reported cases.”

    “Passive and voluntary”. Hmmm

    How, I wonder, can the scientists be mandating shots, but NOT mandating data collection? That, in and of itself, is crazy. Or, an intentional attempt to ‘spoof’ the data. Especially egregious when one looks at the very specific Part I and Part II directions to coroners.

    Last I heard, the Israeli data was no longer being reported. Still true (if it ever was)?

    A close friend is about to lose her low-paying ‘clerk’ job at a government subcontractor for refusing the shot. Her step-sister is still having seizures after taking shot #2.

    Thankfully, the search for Saddam’s WMD’s continues, the minor inflation is only transitory, monopolies continue to be broken up, Fed executives (and staff and relatives) don’t trade on insider information, our local and tiny ‘executive’ airport actually DOES have over 100 landings & takeoffs a day which granted them Federal monies for extending the runway so that rich alums (who certainly pay too much in taxes and get no government handouts) could fly their new, bigger jets in for the Notre Dame game. But don’t you worry, all low-paid concessionaires will be wearing masks!

    Yay free market capitalism!/sarc off

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2021 #87706
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    In addition, to follow on previous points, i have one cousin who suffered “strange” effects immediately after the second job and that caused him to look into the whole “side effects” issue. A good friend has two ‘thirty-something’ co-worker, and a cousin, who were disabled after the second dose.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2021 #87705
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    We are currently travelling from Appalachia to western Montana, meandering through the “flyover” states of America. My partner has Li-Fraumeni syndrome, so masks in public, and is a faithful believer in the mRNA therapy. Me, not as much.

    Wisconsin seems to be on a county-by-county mask mandate, with Madison (Dane County) opting for the mandate indoors. In our current county there is no mandate.

    The Dakotas will be interesting, but certain to be non-mask mandates. In casual conversation it seems basically impossible (as of yet) to find someone who discusses the Covid issue in a scientific (i.e. data-driven) manner, as opposed to in a faith-based manner, (with faith referring to religion or politics).

    I had hoped to learn more about this country of mine on this trip, but i don’t think that’ll be the case. It seems (a) trustworthy information is too difficult to obtain, (b) sides have been chosen and dug in.

    One of the interesting issues out here in the midwest is the “Right to Repair” movement. Years in the making, it seems the farm implements (such as combines, that can easily exceed $500k) contain coding as complex as a modern airliner. The ethos out here has always been maintain and repair on one’s own, or within one’s community.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 13 2021 #87048
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    I can see both views, and i fluctuate between the two, while not obsessing about either. The chickens and gardens and job are all too consuming.

    Seeing the bigger picture, in my mind, the “meta-view” if you will, becomes more and more important. It can allow one to NOT get emotional, to see the different sides, to shake one’s head at the absurdity of human behavior, and most importantly, carry on.

    Simply carrying on with one’s life rather than ‘lighting one’s hair on fire” (as my mother used to say) is, in fact, doing something. And maybe that small act can be as powerful, in quantity, as carrying a sign. Small, conscious acts, everyday. Quietly planting seeds, facts, in those you come in contact with each day. It’s a small “strike” (to use Denninger’s plea), each day, every day.

    In some ways the awareness of the absolute insanity of our so-called “markets” is the same. Make those small decisions each day (in the words of our host): “Hold no debt; Consume less; Relocalize; Increase community self-sufficiency; Reduce dependence on centralized life-support systems”.

    At some point in each of our lives a big, dramatic, risky, exhausting step may be called for, but in the meantime tnose small steps ARE action, IMHO.

    Hope you continue to check in occasionally, V!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 12 2021 #86968
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    Polder,
    For now I am staying with the “soft” approach. I am particularly interested in the hospitalizations and deaths being labelled by vaccination status.

    My focus has been been to disabuse people of tnis notion that the vaccine keeps people from severe events (hospitalization, death). The Irish data from today’s TAE helps.

    But I have found it very difficult to find data clearly layed out on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, and hospitalization and mortality results. When i do find it, and share it, you can see the questioning start in their eyes. As i live in a small town/ big university area, most are vaccinated and believe in the ‘goodness and rightness of the establshment.’

    The next level of doubt, do the vaccines cause (potential) harm, ADE, delta as a vaccine byproduct, etc…is a level of complexity i don’t take on with most. Although i believe it to be true, it’s currently more “faith-based” for me, things i read here and anecdotes i hear from associates.

    However, i do believe the evidence will continue to mount that (a) vaccines don’t work, and (b) vaccines cause harm, and eventually it will become very clear to all but the most stubborn. Like religion, the most zealous are the converts.

    I have continued reading Illargi (and Nicole) from TOD days because their concerns and ‘predictions’ have been born out in the world i see around me. Because of their efforts, i am much better positioned in life, as are those around me. (Thank you R!)

    It’s simply the scientific method: if the actual world too often debunks a prognosticators predictions, they get dropped from my reading. (and the deflation-hyperinflation argument still hangs out there in a hyper-complex environment).

    Be careful out there!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 11 2021 #86916
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    Anecdotal data: 60,000 fans in our local ACC college football stadium last Friday evening, on a “vaccine-mandated” campus.

    One week later an ER physician friend reports her hospital is “covid-crazy” this morning, tons of cases, some requiring hospitalization.

    Home game #2 starts this afternoon in 40 minutes. We’ll see the results in a week. But one thing is for sure, the ‘unvaccinated’ will be blamed.

    I’ve been gently showing data from Scotland, England and Israel to some folks. To a person, “That doesn’t sound right?” Really? Show me the data your experts are using. If you don’t collect data, youre not doing science.

    More and more folks within my circle of contacts seem to be saying of Fauci, et al, “Hey, wait a minute…”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2021 #86812
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    @generic, I’ve read that ivermecton has been tested far above the rates recommended for humans, and one has to really, really exceed to have any side effects. Wish i could recall the data, but it’s out there.

    Our little university town is having the second of two back-to-back ‘state-sanctioned super-spreader’ events: home football games. A wonderful ER physician I know complains of the hospital filled by “the unvaxed”, but can’t miss these games…insanity writ large. A bunch of bikers in the Dakotas is a “super-spreader” event; Gayle King hob-nobbing with celebrities, sana masks, at a “we love New York” event…crickets.

    “Sunk cost fallacy”, or something else?
    – 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq, after ‘completing’ mission and finding no weapons;
    – 10 plus years of ‘extraordinary’ actions by the Federal Reserve after events of 2007-2008;
    – how many months of masks and isolation and lockdowns now?

    What most miss, i submit, is that if Fauci, wife, and company were behind the development of covid (pretty clearly a “yes:) it gives MOTIVE for some extraordinary behavior. We’ve fought wars over less, only to discover the lie at ground zero decades later.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2021 #86774
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    John (Day),
    Spot on. My physician cousin is going though the same agony as you…waiting for the axe to drop after decades of service. My thoughts are with you both, not that that will put rice in your bowl.

    And thanks for the common-sense thoughts on Ivermectin as a possible solution. My own GP told me that taken prophylactically it will damage your liver. Badly. But here i sit drinking a beer, contemplating liver damage.

    Herr Warner, totally agree! I don’t live in a black & white world, so i really trust that data which speaks to the complexity of our existence. And that data is often gray…certainly not monolitjic in one direction. Censorship to erase any gray really rubs me wrong, and gets my “Spidey-senses” tingling.

    Dr. D, really have come to appreciate your treatises – thank you. Like all else i read, i hold it out there as a possibility and continue reading if the right-wrong edges over 50%. But as i tell friends who complain i strive to see the “30,000 foot view”, it sure helps one avoid making big, bad decisions when you see more of the chessboard.

    I often wonder how Nicole is doing (having been a reader since The Oil Drum). My thoughts and prayers are with her.

    Wow, we tjought this world was interesting before…I fear its going to get REAL interesting in the next 6 to 12 months.

    Ilargi, thank you. Because of your writings, myself and tjose close to me are happier, and positioned better (close to the earth!).

    in reply to: OTC COVID Rxs, Azelastin to Zinc #86509
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    Good afternoon (here in Appalachia),

    I had an appointment with my family doc this morning, an MD/Ph.D, and i asked about the ivermectin controversy.

    He very politely told me: (1) there are no studies out of the NIH showing it to be effective, and (2) used in a prophylactic manner, it is very destructive to the liver. One or two doses, okay. Taking it for a week, or two, or longer is not good.

    Does anybody have more to add?

    After mandating the vaccine for everyone on campus, our local (big) state university had a home football game Friday evening, the season opener.

    (1) the team they played had no vaccine mandate; and (2) fans were asked to wear masks “going to and from their seats, but not in their seats”; the school does not test the vaccinated.

    Another home game this weekend, we’ll see if numbers get a bump in about two weeks. Of course, it’ll beblamed on the vaccinated.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 4 2021 #86248
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    Well, now I’m waiting for the CNN headline saying: “Anderson Cooper sleeps on a horse bed”.

    (Tempurpedic mattresses are made from a foam originally developed to support racehorses during surgery)

    in reply to: This Virus Kill Zombies Too #56087
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    Raul,

    I’ve been reading your work (with Stoneleigh, Lord I hope she’s safe) since The Oil Drum. And I’m still reading your work. I have always tried to apply a sort of “scientific method” to my readings… if it’s useful and predictions turn out to be (nearly) on target, I stick. Writers who don’t pass muster are abandoned.

    Your writing gives good, pragmatic steps and expands my mind, and thus my ability to react more calmly and thoughtfully. This latest stretching of my mind made me think of Greer from 2006 (and reprinted in “Crash Now And Avoid The Rush, 2015):

    “Knowing many stories is wisdom,
    Knowing no stories is ignorance,
    Knowing only one story is death”

    My ailing parents know one story, the virus was a partisan attack. They are now stuck in Florida and we hope for the best.

    Thank you, and all the commentariot, for giving us
    “many stories”, many ways to look at the world.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2020 #56053
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    Yes, I concur, Raul, please be kind to yourself! The work you do each day is enormous without a world-wide virus raging. Do take care.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 25 2020 #56000
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    @ John Day – my initial reaction is disbelief, too conspiratorial for my tastes… And then I turn on the radio and hear the SecState blustering on-and-on and I think: “The lady doth protest too much, me thinks”.

    Not that it will change anything, but I’ll definitely be sitting down this evening and giving your “suggestion” a hard, careful re-reading. Thanks for expending the energy. Stay safe

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 25 2020 #55987
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    Thanks Raul, first belly laugh of the day! (Film at 11:00!)

    The big yellow school buses in Appalachia seem to be a “constant” for kids. At the schools nurses are doing their best to check for symptoms of volunteers (yes, I understand there are asymptomatic folks).
    Food is carefully packed, and then loaded on the buses. Regular routes run are run all over the valley, and a teacher or counselor hands out meals to hungry kids standing in the gravel. One bit of regularity in an irregular time.

    I can’t help but think of Mnuchin and Kudlow and all the others looking for all those magic threads laying about, scraps and leftovers from the emperor’s tailors back in 2008… Thankfully they spun extra thread 12 years ago…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 25 2020 #55983
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    Why is the Red Cross emailing me for financial contributions when a guy just up the street from HQ has a checking account with a $6T balance and a directive to spend it?

    in reply to: BREAKING: Virus Kills Easter Bunny #55943
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    Illargi’a advice, taken to heart: hold no debt; consume less; relocalize; increase community self-sufficiency; reduce dependence on centralized life-support systems.

    After typing the above question I realized why this was important: simply hearing different possibilities of what the future might hold allows me to be better prepared mentally for whatever happens; it won’t be as big a surprise.

    in reply to: BREAKING: Virus Kills Easter Bunny #55941
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    So, just had a beer with neighbors, they on porch and me in driveway. A “normal” moment I have missed.

    I put forward this question to them: “Do you think everything will go back to normal, almost just like before?” One said “Yes, people have a short memory. Soon this will be past us, the Dow will be right back up, our 401k’s will be right back up, corporations will be whole and it’ll be a memory, a blip. Universities with full classrooms back in business.”

    But my cognitive (emotional?) bias says something different, that history shows us that at some point the authorities are NOT able to stitch it back together in a reasonable resemblance of the previous assemblage. Maybe it won’t be this time, but… But I’m certainly no fortune-teller.

    It seems that the Fed will print their money, that corporations will be made “whole”, but, …

    In my own experience I have had people occasionally play mind games with me, getting me to believe stuff that is further and further “out there” until one day a line is crossed and not only do I suddenly not believe the latest, but everything said prior is tossed out.

    So I guess I put that question out here, certainly not that anyone knows for sure, but this was quite a bit on the “American way of life”. Going back to “normal”?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 23 2020 #55836
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    (With tongue firmly in cheek?) Governments at every level no longer need our pittance in taxes, they have the Fed to buy up all the Muni bonds they want to “auction”. Good on them!

    Wow, not even a teaspoon of medicine.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 23 2020 #55831
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    The behavior of financiers and corporate executives have proven they can’t be trusted.

    President Trump, with respect to the huge corporate tax breaks said, “We thought they would do the right thing (productively invest) and they didn’t (buybacks instead)”

    So, the rush to give them trillions seems, well, idiotic. So, of course, that’s what we’ll certainly do.

    And yes, China WILL use their leverage in this situation, it’s called “The Art Of The Deal”. People act surprised, but TAOTD is not a “win-win” approach.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 22 2020 #55789
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    I just spoke with a friend at the community health center and she said that for all intents and purposes, no PPE for them. Tomorrow they are going to start making masks out of paper towels and rubber bands. I was shocked and will drop my construction masks with her in the morning.

    She had spoken to a mutual ER doc acquaintance who reportedly said, “The New River Valley (Virginia) will probably be on curfew by the end of the week”. I have no idea what exactly the doc meant by curfew, but know she’s got good contacts with police and emergency management-type folks.

    Dr. Rich, I don’t have a good understanding of the “null hypothesis”, but will read more. Very much appreciated the link to Camus, have shared.

    I printed out a list of the 15 Most Common Logical Fallacies about two months ago, and con artists may simply know them by intuition…. would be the basis of an interesting drinking game as one watches the news: “Doh! ANOTHER one… everybody drink!”

    Regarding the finding a more sane place between “corporations bad!” and full-on “socialism”, Stockman had some thoughts (that won’t happen, of course). Let them go bankrupt, let the gamblers take it in the chin, and sell assets in bankruptcy. New management (ESOP’s?) opens as quickly as possible after trash gets taken to the curb.

    Futures already limited down. Buckle up.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 22 2020 #55771
    boilingfrog
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    Along the lines of John Day’s song, there’s also The Wrong Child by REM (Green album).

    “I’ve watched the children come and go
    A late, long march into spring
    I sit and watch those children
    Jump in the tall grass
    Leap the sprinkler
    Walk in the ground
    Bicycle clothespin spokes
    The sound, the smell of swingset hands
    I will try to sing a happy song
    I’ll try and make a happy game to play
    “Come play with me” I whispered to my newfound friend
    Tell me what it’s like to go outside
    I’ve never been
    Tell me what it’s like to just go outside
    I’ve never been
    And I never will
    I’m not supposed to be like this
    I’m not supposed to be like this, but it’s okay
    Hey, hey, hey, those kids are looking at me
    I told my friend myself, those kids are looking at me
    They’re laughing and they’re running over here
    They’re laughing and they’re running over here
    What do I do, what should I do?
    What do I say?
    What can I say?
    I said I’m not supposed to be like this
    Let’s try to find a happy game to play
    Let’s try to find a happy game to play
    I’m not supposed to be like this
    But it’s okay, okay”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 22 2020 #55754
    boilingfrog
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    “For your daily group discussion,. WHich you’re not allowed to have anymore”

    Well. The discussion was nice while it lasted.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 21 2020 #55721
    boilingfrog
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    UpstateNYer – great input, thank you. I’m isolated in the New River Valley of the South Central Appalachians. Your take is much appreciated.

    Highlight of my day (to go CHS and be positive for a moment): damned chickens showed me their secret escape route as I stood and watched! That border has been walled up!

    Bosco, regarding your pentameters and such, I read this recently: “Truth is like poetry, and most people f****g hate poetry”.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 21 2020 #55699
    boilingfrog
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    Doc Robinson,

    We’re clearly in the early innings, but that US-UK disparity is enormous, especially given the testing… any thoughts you’d care to share, or (wisely) “wait and see”?

    All I can guess is the different strains that John Day (and others) have spoken of here from day one is at play.

    Anticlimactic – agree. No more of this “we have to pay to keep the talent!” garbage talk. We see that in higher ed where profs talk of their “value in the free market” when negotiating salaries. Funny, they all seem happy to take the tenure.

    In my mind, I’m trying to come up with a middle-of-the-road approach on the extremes of “barely regulated” business and “corporations are the enemy”. I’m struggling.

    All I can come up with is that there must be “sunshine” as an antiseptic, and a constant holding people accountable. Yes, I know systems all start out with the best of intentions, only to be chipped-down over time. It’s an inherent weakness in man, hence man’s systems.

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