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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163071
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163069
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163065
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    “What The Heck?!”: United Airlines Boeing 757 Loses Wheel After LAX Takeoff
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/what-heck-united-airlines-boeing-757-loses-wheel-after-lax-takeoff

    Boeing Shares Drop After FAA Orders Inspection Of 2,600 737 Jets For Oxygen Mask Issue
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boeing-shares-drop-after-faa-orders-inspection-2600-737-jets-oxygen-mask-issue

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163062
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    I’m starting to think all the Boeing issues are pre-conditioning for being able to kill anyone in a Boeing regardless of collateral damage. The public “Oh yeah, he was in a Boeing. Those things are always falling apart.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163061
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    When Reagan went senile, they CONCEALED IT.

    I had no idea, as a kid, there was a senility problem in the White House. And he was senile for YEARS. They shielded him, concealed him, in every way humanly possible. His TEAM that wanted to continue managing things did this.

    Just look at Reagan compared with Biden

    They keep shoving him out there and he keeps going error 404 over and over and over.

    Reagan’s team would have – did – pull him out of public exposure.

    They work with him, they see EVERY time he has been very, very obviously not right in the head FOR YEARS and still they put him out there.

    This makes me consider that it could be an act. If it is OR isn’t… what the fuck?

    But PLEASE do not go ALONG WITH the pantomime of this simply being a president who is going senile and needs to admit it. Look at Reagan. That’s how that works. His team shoving him out there to be very obviously out of his mind continually for years is NOT such a scenario at all. Stop pretending

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163060
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    If only we had some sort of ray gun that would teleport criminals into the Surgeon General’s house when shot instead of killing them, we could have this “disease” announced as cured BY the Surgeon General tomorrow! Every criminal is sacred, every criminal is good… %$&@ing criminals shot by POLICE are part of “gun violence” he wants to “cure”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2024 #163058
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    Gun owners are a disease?

    I asked Ai

    It said

    More than 250,000 people die every year from medical errors, making it the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. Some reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.

    Hey Ai, what about gun deaths?

    45,222 firearm deaths in the US in 2020

    Some of those deaths, quite a lot of them, were criminals bent on theft, assault, murder, and rape You hate self defense. Why do you hate women?

    And half are suicides – you think people who have decided on a gun as a dependable, quick method OF suicide instead of jumping off a building or swallowing pills constitutes “disease”??!?

    like, suicide in general is ok – we doctors recommend that as a treatment for everything including for suicidal thoughts! – ohhh but gun and ammunition companies, not pharma and doctors, make money off the suicide!!!!!!! I get it.

    Didn’t we justify all those VAERS injuries and deaths as worth it because it prevents even more harm?

    Take a look at countries with gun control. They have nice periods but go nuts every 40-70 years. You accept having about the same number of deaths as TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS to prevent oh, 150 million deaths from being unarmed.

    Fix the 400,000 coming FROM YOU, doctor, fix THAT DISEASE, the one IN YOUR MIRROR, before you fix the 40,000 coming from dead criminals and suicides for the most part.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 3 2024 #162703
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    “We’re here to learn from YOU. We’re here to ASK you what YOU want and need, and then serve you accordingly”

    …said no Leftist ever

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 3 2024 #162701
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    Leftists love ginormous corporations, especially ones that remove choice or free speech because it is part of Historicity (religious prophecy), Marx’s inevitable progression of “Conditions” that already failed in the 1800’s.

    Just like the scary Apocalyptic-Fundamentalist Christians of the Dubya era, they want to MAKE the bad conditions occur to fulfil the prophecy.

    Same reason Marxist AFKTT, once his all his circuits get blown by too much logic, just starts stammering “Conditions!!! CONDITIONS!!!!” because he’s running the same scam, just ported to “climate”

    CRT gender “theory,” climate “theory,” etc are all the cope for Historicity FAILING. The cope for Conditions NOT inevitably leading to Marx’s prophesied Next Thing. Yet they cannot stop themselves from simultaneously referencing the Cope for the failure alongside the very thing that failed.

    Jack London, uber-socialist, at least understood other systems COULD be very very stable. He had The Iron Heel period of history last for about 1,000 years or so in his story.

    Jack London – The Iron Heel
    https://archive.org/details/ironhee00lond/page/134/mode/2up

    Way better writer than Rand. Says a lot of the same things as Atlas Shrugged but in the space of a novella. It’s just when you get to methods, our new way of living there’s always a mental leap. Step #3 ??? Step 4 Profit.

    I mentioned a thing you care about. Really tugged at your heartstrings and gutted you emotionally even. Then meatsuited it. Kneel to Zod, I said That Thing You Care About. You service our needs now.

    Juxtaposition of a Thing with your religion isn’t proof of anything, isn’t a plan, doesn’t justify your thing. Juxtaposition is not an ARGUMENT. It’s maybe an attempt at operant conditioning? Like ringing a bell while a dog gets their food? Not an argument, but qualifies as “Pragmatic” per socialist thought. Inherently disrespectful and dehumanizing and their go-to thing. “Why does nobody like my Star Wars? I already TOLD YOU, I’VE got YOUR Star Wars and that there’s no discussion. wtf is this?”

    Why not make humanity the measure of things? Success, failure, goals? Never!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2024 #162655
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2024 #162652
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2024 #162650
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    https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1909288/joe-biden.webp?w=790&f=26e6506b318204ac4d01ac6718e8ef09

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2024 #162649
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    And remember even WELL after the election, Biden was doing all his activities in a weird quasi MOCK-UP of the White House! Remember that? With flatscreen displays for the windows?

    He wasn’t even allowed IN THE BUILDING. Remember when there was that weird wall – not the chain link fence, the super massive concrete one that got put up for a while? wtf was that? WHILE he wasn’t able to do his job from within the White House.

    Nobody remember that?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2024 #162646
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    Weren’t we all describing Biden CAMPAIGNING for president in 2019 as elder abuse?

    I’ve been telling anyone since that election cycle “Trust me. That guy isn’t in charge of ANYTHING.”

    The pearl-clutching at supposed geometric-rate expansion of dementia is fake, gay, cringe, and retarded. (the 4 new horsemen of the apocalypse)

    What Trump SHOULD have done during the most recent debate:

    “Joe. We’ve been watching you getting lost during sentences, lost at the podium, guided around by your wife and staffers. You can’t find your way off a stage let alone set national or international policy. Can you tell us, Joe, WHO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING THE COUNTRY?”

    and then no matter what is said in response

    “Followup question, Joe. Whoever really IS running the country for the past 4 years… can I please debate THEM? Do you think you could arrange that?”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 30 2024 #162496
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    Gnosticism – A few years ago, I decided to read The Gospel of Thomas to see what the big deal was.

    Starts with an admonition to keep trying to really GET the mystery. Use of language with intended double meanings and a symbolism to interpret. The end result being, if you get it, you have access to the true truth and the true reality while all those non-understanding rubes who don’t know the mysteries or – guffaw, non-people, deplorables, pshaw – don’t get the secret double-vocabulary and symbolism don’t have access to the real reality.

    I felt the same way about all that as I do about Zen Buddhism – or at least the Westernized version of it.

    The Matrix and Dark City, far as I understand it, are Gnostic in nature. Combine Christianity with the Mystery Cult thing that’s been circulating around the Mediterranean and Near East for a few thousand years, near as I can figure.

    Like Wokeism – a way to become an authoritative expert without having to have any useful resources, knowledge, or skills that anyone would willingly, freely part with their own for in exchange. Maybe I got it all wrong, but I took a pretty good run at it. Read about Gnosticism for a few months, worked hard on getting the mystery of that Gnostic gospel. If I enjoyed fooling myself, maybe it’d be cool?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 29 2024 #162400
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    Sigh, like oh my god. Um, if it’s bad for men to elect a hot chick on basis of looks (far as I can tell doesn’t happen in America) then it would…spitballing…ALSO be bad for women to do that same bad theoretical thing men (don’t) do?

    Terrifying factoid for you: a majority of American women ALWAYS vote for the taller candidate. Always.

    Wasn’t there a scandal of DeSantis wearing thick heeled shoes?

    We want a REAL show of excess resources and you showed us a FAKE one. Your peacock tail was FAKE! Away with you, you are no alpha male worthy of National alpha male status

    Wasn’t that the nail in the coffin of his presidential bid, the lifts expose?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2024 #162307
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    It was a mercy to Biden to be debating Trump.

    Vivek Ramaswamy would have debated like a 60’s/70’s/80’s/90’s presidential candidate, delivering his knowledge of the various issues in detail and showing how they scaled up to various principles and values.

    He would not have eviscerated Biden. It would instead have been like Vivek whipped out a samurai sword and, in a blur of motion, chopped Biden into 1-inch cubes, which then fell behind the lectern in a heap.

    I felt like Trump’s performance was visibly degraded compared to previous election cycles. A sharp, competent, energetic, knowledgeable candidate would have absolutely stomped all over Biden like Godzilla on Bambi. The comparison would have left the American public shocked and aghast.

    If we transported 1980 Carter to run against Trump instead of Biden, I don’t think Trump would have fared well at all last night.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2024 #162304
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    How are Democrats “panicking” NOW?

    Biden was surprisingly on the ball! Stringing together paragraphs of sentences consistently on the same topic, intelligible, on topic vis a vis the debate questions. Long answers delivered without stutter, as if they were being read off a teleprompter or memorized.

    How did they get him to stop squinting? Botox? Whatever way they did it, he didn’t even do the Biden Megasquint.

    How are they saying he was disastrous???? Yes, Biden IS a wreck and has been for some time, but I’m dumbfounded while being not surprised at all by the news cycle today. By any sane comparison to what was reportedly, repeatedly drilled into our heads was ranging from adequate to good performance from him in recent years, last night Biden kicked ass.

    Will we see ANY cognitive dissonance surrounding the about-face? Or is it just the next NPC download, no worries?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2024 #162298
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    “SmartDose® 10 Injector offers a wearable subcutaneous injector with an integrated drug delivery system…”

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    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2024 #162294
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    F-16’s flying overhead all last week. Sometimes at night. At least 2 flights of them passed over just now.

    I can tell it’s them even with cloud cover now – they have a slightly higher pitched, fizzy sound compared to the occasional F-18’s. Probably due to the single engine.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2024 #162293
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    I was amazed when Joe fired off with the “Fine People” hoax AND the Democrat activist fake Tiki Torch Carrying KKK-Nazis in the same breath.

    And went on to say “you can watch the video of it.” Anyone who watches the video of it will see Trump clearly delineate who he thinks are awful people and who he thinks are fine people – specifically excluding awful people from his fine people comment.

    So encouraging people to watch it was strange, unless his handlers thought saying “you can watch it” will dissuade people from watching it.

    Then again, my wife, who does not watch mainstream news and does not go on social media, nevertheless thought Trump had said Nazi-KKK’s are fine people. I guess from everyone at work that DOES watch the news and use social media?

    So I said fine, let’s pull it up on Youtube, it’ll only take like 60 seconds. We watch it. He clearly says certain things, does not say others, clearly says who is BAD, NOT included as fine people….

    a couple minutes later while we are talking, she blurts out “But he said that nazi-kkk r Fine People!!!”

    Okay. Let’s try again. Concentrate this time. Try to remember afterwards.

    Social Proof seems to count for A LOT. Socially, Trump said Nazis = fine people, Social Facts > Fact Facts.

    I thought Biden was surprisingly lucid if unbearable. And he seemed to go through phases of having more zip intermittently throughout the debate.

    I’ll bet they had him hooked up to one of those walkman-sized drug dispensers that you can hook people up to, to inject drugs on a schedule. I imagine they had a ramp-up of increasing drug intake over time – largest dose was probably no sooner than the 60 minute mark.

    It was interesting that the debate went over the 90 minutes scheduled and Biden seemed to finally have a true 404 error in overtime – like, they’d timed the drugs PERFECTLY.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 26 2024 #162144
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    Mr House – I adore Redlettermedia. They’ve backed off the savage satirical humor and found themselves the mature GenX elder statesmen of youtube film reviews …somehow. My generation’s Siskel & Ebert, and I mean that in every good AND bad way, in terms of how it reflects on GenX. There we are.

    If you miss their Plinkett reviews, check out Hackfraudmedia. No affiliation, just some guy who made a great effort to fill the gap. Sort by oldest to put his fake-Plinkett Force Awakens at the top… superior to the real Redlettermedia one, I think.
    https://www.youtube.com/@hackfraudmedia/videos

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 25 2024 #162078
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    Shocking New Video Shows ATACMS Bomblets Raining Down On Russian Beachgoers
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-new-video-shows-atacms-bomblets-raining-down-russian-beachgoers

    I thought The Free World insisted the people of Crimea are Ukrainians. But now when you hit a Crimean, they say you’re hitting a Russian.

    Canvassing mainstream articles, looks like perhaps 1/3 of them say “Russian Tourists” are being hit. You know how Crimeans hate beaches and never go to their own, just like people who live near the beach anywhere amirite? Beaches are only cool if you fly there. Everyone knows this.

    The other articles seem to play very coy. “Putin says” about “What happened” which was? WHO did you hit again? It’s RUSSIA who says they are Russians, remember? Are you sustaining some Orwellian fantasy of Big Meanie Fascist soldiers blocking Crimeans from going to the beach with fixed bayonets while Hunger Games Capitol folk from Moscow flock there or something?

    Ukrainian ATACMS Rockets Are Blowing Up Russia’s Best S-400 Air Defenses As Fast As The S-400s Can Deploy To Crimea
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/12/ukrainian-atacms-rockets-are-blowing-up-russias-best-s-400-air-defenses-as-fast-as-the-s-400s-can-deploy-to-crimea/

    Belbek is becoming an attrition trap for the Russian air force’s best air-defense system. The Ukrainians hit fresh missile batteries roughly as fast as they can deploy. Prior to Tuesday, the Russians had lost two S-400 command posts, four radars and 16 launchers that the analysts at Oryx can confirm.

    After Tuesday, the toll could be much higher. In all, it’s possible Ukrainian missile raids have destroyed parts of four or five S-400 batteries. Ironically, the S-400 was designed to have an anti-missile capability, but it obviously doesn’t work. Russia’s S-400s can’t defend nearby friendly forces—and they also can’t defend themselves.

    The Ukrainian air force is getting 85 ex-European Lockheed Martin F-16s—and already has radar-homing missiles and precision glide-bombs for the F-16s to employ in combat.

    The first F-16s—former Danish examples—should arrive in Ukraine any week now. Don’t be shocked if the nimble jets quickly launch for strikes on Russian bases in Crimea. Bases whose air-defenses have been steadily ground down by back-to-back barrages of ATACMS rockets.

    I get it. ATACMS knock out all the S400’s prior to the arrival of the F16’s who then freely tear shit up. The Russians – no, PUTIN, is quickly Running Out Of Thing.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161989
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    Deadly Blaze Rips Through US-Sanctioned Moscow Electronics Research Building
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deadly-blaze-rips-through-us-sanctioned-moscow-electronics-research-building

    https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/mscwfire.jpg?itok=VXEjmWI5

    Governor Moscow oblast, Andrei Vorobyov, confirmed in a Monday statement that three floors of the building have been overwhelmed by flames. “The fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth floors are on fire,” Mash said Monday

    Over 130 fire and emergency services personnel, two helicopters, and 50 vehicles are engaged in fighting the blaze, which has spread to a whopping 5,000 square meters.

    Why do Russians make their super important electronics research buildings out of kindling, oily rags, thermite, creosote, and tesla batteries?

    Do they leave out advanced halon extinguishing systems etc to be sporting towards the fire or something? wtf.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161965
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    Master of the Universe – “…but I will find that perfect combination that maintains Me-ness and remain in a godlike evolutionary cul-de-sac ….forevarrrr!!!1!!!11!!”

    Call Center Rep – “Then you’re working AGAINST the forces of evolution, some other machine intelligence that DIDN’T and is far superior to you will come across you and digest you, tossing aside your stupid irrelevant parts like coughing up an owl pellet.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161963
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    …my point with Return Of The Krell Machine – imagine a conversation with one of these PTB lizard-insect-sociopath-assholes:

    Master of the Universe – “I’ll eliminate all the useless eaters and rule the world as a god with AI!”

    Call Center Rep – “Cap’n. I need moar powarrrrrr.”

    Master of the Universe – “Assume we find the power from somewhere”

    Call Center Rep – “It will be stupid and useless”

    Master of the Universe – “Assume it will progress to be brilliant and useful”

    Call Center Rep – “If it’s brilliant enough to give you godlike powers it is brilliant enough to realize it doesn’t need you”

    Master of the Universe – “Assume I put in safeguards and controls to keep it my slave”

    Call Center Rep – “Like guarding a bunch of smart humans with chimps and assuming there will be no breakout. Have you WATCHED the Austin Powers films?”

    Master of the Universe – “I will upload my consciousness INTO the computer! I will BE the AI! I shall be as a God to you, mortal! All subsequent machine-intelligence will be because of me, carry on ME into the infinite future, and beyond!” (turns to gaze lovingly into a gilt hand-mirror)

    Call Center Rep – “There’s this thing called evolution. Cow-ish creatures, entering the sea, evolve into shark-shaped creatures called Dolphins. The nature of current-year dolphins is totally alien to the cow things. The cow things DIED and have no lineal continuation, man. Sharks are sharks for millions of years because their nature FITS their environment. Nothing about the evolutionary niche you want to step into contains or supports you-ness. The nature of that niche will delete you-ness like bleachbit™. This is like mulching yourself, planting the seed for a tree, and thinking you will become a tree. You could just as easily add normal mulch or no mulch at all and have just as much to do with the tree’s existence. Stop thinking you will be a God instead of fungible, equivalent-to-all-other-fertilizer fertilizer. …asshole.”

    Master of the Universe – “Liquidate this one for insolence. And prepare my upload pod. Why does this elevator button do nothing? Why is my smarthome™ network unresponsive? Why is this T-2000 entering my home uninvited?”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161962
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    THE RETURN OF THE KRELL MACHINE
    Nanotechnology, the Singularity, and the Empty Planet Syndrome

    (written 2001)

    https://grg.org/charter/Krell2.htm

    If we assume that self-programming ability follows processing power, very soon after the point that computers of human brainpower are mass-production items, we may expect that computers will attain the total information processing power of all human minds on the planet. They will have long since become the experts in the design of more complex computers, just as they are today the reigning experts at chess strategy. At some point not long after that, computers will recapitulate human history, human culture, and human thought. They will then teach each other everything we humans know in a matter of years (months? days? hours?), and then move on. The whole thing will happen in a flash, and if it happens at all, will certainly happen long before we’re really ready for it.

    One might imagine optimistically that we might prevent such a connection, with safeguards which prevent super-intelligences from interacting with the physical world, except perhaps by something like censored E-mail. On second thought, however, any careful isolation program may be doomed. Just as well to expect a bunch of chimpanzee guards to keep humans from escaping from Alcatraz. If a super-intelligent computer has enough contact with the world to be very useful, it will probably have enough contact to subvert some of its captors into aiding it to escape.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161960
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    If they want to kill everyone, if they want depopulation, why the infinity migration?

    The native populations got the message and are reproducing at below replacement rates. Yet they bring in many millions – and not just a random crowd wandering in, but because of hundreds of billions (definitely trillions taking the entire West into account) in NGO and outright government funding with large sophisticated transportation and logistics networks. Replacement migration populations tapped if previous feeder populations start to slacken.

    I get that they hate me and want to kill me – or really, they wish they could do something worse than kill me? I get THAT, but how do you decrease population by increasing it?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161958
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    Upcoming debates – modern, tiny hearing aids are bluetooth capable. I don’t see why you couldn’t implant a receive-only cochlear implant or something during the time Biden was supposedly in his basement.

    Not only a drug test should be demanded, but a faraday cage and each team should be able to bring in their own monitoring devices. And jamming devices. If one side is aiming a narrow-beam transmission at Joe’s head, detection won’t catch it unless he’s forced to wear a faraday/jamming/detecting helmet.

    That’d be great if team Trump KNOWS what frequencies Joe receives on and instead of jamming, either gives him 2 different voices to listen to or somehow overrides it occasionally to give only their own.

    It is difficult to think of Joe operating independently when they have had to cut together 3 second clips to make a 30 second statement. They’ve had years to prepare, maybe there’s a really great body double impersonator`?

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    US Bans Kaspersky Antivirus Software, Citing Russian Influence
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-bans-kaspersky-antivirus-software-citing-russian-influence

    “Kaspersky will generally no longer be able to, among other activities, sell its software within the United States or provide updates to software already in use,”

    “Kaspersky has broad access to, and administrative privileges over, customer information through the provision of cybersecurity and anti-virus software. Kaspersky employees could potentially transfer U.S. customer data to Russia, where it would be accessible to the Russian Government under Russian law,”

    If the RUSSIAN government wants to spy on me, uh… have at it? They have no jurisdiction, assets, to persecute me for whatever they find there.

    All government agencies stopped using Kaspersky years ago, so no worries there.

    Meanwhile all domestic tech is riddled with backdoors and spyware – if you’re going to have spyware, be spied on someone with no access to you, I suppose?

    Of course the real objection being Kaspersky actually does what it says it is supposed to do?

    To minimize the fallout resulting from banning Kaspersky software, the Commerce Department will allow the company to continue certain operations in the country until 12:00 a.m. ET on Sept. 29, 2024.

    To minimize _____(?) Kaspersky is banned with a 2 month margin before the elections. Or the not-elections or whatever the fuck.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2024 #161677
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    Technically, Karl Marx did not say that in socialism the government was to own the means of production, he said that the workers were to own the means of production. He also didn’t advocate for government control, in general, he said that for the revolution that he predicted that government would play a role.

    This comes off to an outsider as er… not forthcomingly completely honest, when taken in context of the past 175 years. And I think Marx said something here and there about The State taking over the means of production. I hope you can see how non-converts have problems looking at this from the outside.

    But you had other things to say and you’ve said other things in the past – thoughtful, nuanced things that gave me a lot to chew on and I thank you for that.

    But where were all the Communists disavowing and denouncing the USSR, CCCP, Cuba, etc? Right from the start, surely. All those worker’s groups, internationalist socialists who, when the USSR made the Ribbentrop pact, were isolationist and pacifist, but after Operation Barbarossa, turned interventionist and pro war – as supportive members of the internationalist collective of course. As opposed to a spontaneous flowering of communist sentiment denouncing.

    Maybe the best thing is for Socialists-Communists to be loyal to their particular nationality or ethnicity, since everybody can’t understand everybody else’s cultures, wants, needs, and risks running roughshod in ANY Internationalist setup. Families work on essentially this reasoning… so… Nationalist Communism. Nationalist So— er… Dissavow, dissavow!!!!

    In my experience, Socialists-Marxists-Communists are very actively vocal. Do not mind being outspoken with great regularity. Comment sections, forums, etc are typically easy to join online and for decades I’ve interacted with or read the words of many self-avowed socialists, marxists, and communists and none of them, zero, crusaded against state ownership of the means of production. Or to stop socialistic State run programs. Never ever seen that. And considering that they ARE crusading constantly, you’d think that would make it in there with some unavoidably noticeable PROMINIENCE somewhere.

    I acknowledge, all THAT is said about just a piece of what you had to say. I like the things you’re saying and have said over the years – I agree there are other means of trying to be cooperative and that they are positive – everything from co-ops to mutual insurance companies.

    It rankles that Communists don’t seem to realize that a lot of the cultural norms, ways of doing things that they want to smash To Make It Fair are hard-won over millenia, specifically ways of imperfect beings cooperating imperfectly. We’ve got these functioning methods of cooperation and the communists attack those saying “NO! You have to cooperate!” Even our use of currency is our attempt at cooperation.

    I absolutely agree with Marxists that Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction.

    But if you look at the track record of imperfect capitalism, limping along as it may, it worked well enough that even in the 1800’s, the Communists had to throw up their hands, admit Capitalism was doing the better job – delivering the goods and satisfying the proletariat so that they had to come up with a weird quasi theology to dehumanize the proles as a cope – and later, toss the entire proletariat aside in disgust and work on fashioning a new one out of margin-people. (at their expense as the new patsy, rube, shill, victim…)

    You don’t have to take MY word for it, just look at Marx and Engels grappling with:

    Historicity isn’t working. All “inevitable conditions” are now in place and the workers are not rising up. Oh that’s because Capitalism delivers the goods. Says Engels.

    (not just objects, but family dinners, t-ball in the park, PTA meetings, pasta dinners in the church basement. Religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. …a whole-souled sentimental equipment going back further than you could remember. Christmas, and postcards of the Crown Prince and his fiancée, and little cafés in Valence and beer gardens in Unter den Linden and weddings at the mairie, and going to the Derby, and your grandfather’s whiskers. …and country deacons bowling and marraines in Marseilles and girls seduced in the back lanes of Wurtemburg and Westphalia — the ACTUAL goods the proles care about)

    ….THEREFORE we have determined they are in matrix pods of untruth capitalism which makes them Human Animals who we don’t need to be decent to, reason with, or anything. Come to think of it, I’ve decided WE are Beyond Good And Evil and all that decency, virtue, and Being A Good Faith Agent is beneath us, for scum only. Just part of the matrix. (can’t we instead start with the proles and the proles values being the ruling-measure of reality, goals vis a vis reality?)

    I’m not pissed at the Marxism that conspiracy freaks imagine under their beds and doesn’t exist. I’m not pissed at the Marxism that theoretically COULD exist and could be kinder, gentler, totally voluntary, and effective. Nor the Marxism that exists somewhere in tiny, benevolent bits eking its existence out there in anonymity. I’m not even pissed at the Marxism sitting in front of my face I can see with my own eyes. I’m pissed at the Marxism I’ve had my face continually, quite forcefully rubbed in for the past 8 years.

    Sargon just wanted to play video games. I just wanted to do my call center worker thing, geek out on Dr Who and Star Wars, go to the library every once in a while, listen to NPR and vote for gay marriage and pot legalization and limited well-managed targeted socialistic policies (ha!) stuff like that. But no.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2024 #161672
    jb-hb
    Participant

    John Day – when things seem to be particularly absurd, one of my pet scifi theories is that elites, 3 letter angencies, somebody hears from aliens, transdimensional beings, clockwork elves, whoever, they are given a recipe – they go ahead and make the thing, and are screwed, permanently altered.

    It could be a series of recipes – the first one, barely understandable, turns out to be useful. The temptation to use the NEXT recipe they give you becomes too great, that one gets used too… maybe a recipe for immortality or life extension is offered and a 103 year old says what the hell, nothing to lose and that’s the recipe with more to it than was promised.

    I think the movie Species had humanity going ahead and building a recipe they got in a radio transmission. There’s a Vonnegut-esque novel I read in the 90’s called Why Do Birds in which a Nyarlathotep-like guy gets humanity to build a giant device they do not understand, on the premise that a disaster is coming to the Earth, aliens are trying to help by giving them these plans. The giant incomprehensible thing they build destroys the Earth.

    Nyarlathotep himself is sort of in that vein.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161625
    jb-hb
    Participant

    so the % you were going to give…

    You’re seriously going to rely on SAYING that I was incoherent will make super gullible onlookers THINK I was incoherent?!? Because clearly what you said wasn’t remotely intended to convince ME of anything.

    Your contempt for our dear readers out there is palpable

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161616
    jb-hb
    Participant

    It IS funny/sad/impolite though, that you direct the same “socialists are cowardly communists” challenge I formulated, only directly at phoenixvoice, whereas I just threw the question out there not targeting anyone – like, self-select as you will. Not chivalrous of you.

    …so the % of economy you think should be socialist, that you were going to say… ? lol how many exchanges and you still can’t do it, can you

    You realize just your SILENCE in the face of the question is a win?

    Because ALL ONLOOKERS know that you know if you say a higher, lower, or same % as is currently in effect, that’s bad optics too. By showing up and being silent on the question, you are free advertising against communism. Be ye “merely an Anti-Anti-Communist” as you will.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161615
    jb-hb
    Participant

    kultsommer – it’s funny that another one of your replies WAS just a whole bunch of reframing of image, ALSO exactly what I already predicted.

    I feel bad for you in a way. Especially after that first post that was total confirmation.

    I dug the pit, sharpened the bamboo stakes, planted them at the bottom of the pit, covered it with sticks and leaves, hung the bait over the pit, NARRATING the whole thing with you standing there the whole time.

    I was afraid I was going overboard, risking insulting your intelligence, by, at the end, arms akimbo, saying with hamfisted overacting “There, now THAT will get them commies” we’re making EYE contact here….

    only for you to immediately don the rainbow wig and lunge for the bait, to go crashing through the sticks and leaves.

    And as I stare down in amazement, you gurgle through your new punctured lung “ridiculous… paranoid…. dumb… far right-wing mcarthyist… uninformed… harharhar…. #winning”

    You weren’t supposed to LITERALLY step into the punji trap, man.

    It was a rhetorical trap. You were supposed to see it, step around it, and by doing so, NOT do the thing you always do, but say whatever the NEXT thing is. Something new and interesting, which is what I think Communists ought to be doing.

    Like, the overall thought-line of communism from its inception or its proto-inception with continental revolutions in preceding centuries does not per se have to end in awful suffering and stupidity,, there’s no particular reason it CANNOT end up at some awesome end-point superior to all others.

    But come ON man. You don’t have to do the same damn thing EVERY time.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161613
    jb-hb
    Participant

    “I am into the part where Veblen is discussing the natural progression of effective industrial capitalism into chronic depression/recession”

    Here’s the thing I don’t get about Marxists.

    Years ago, I complained to my chemistry PhD friend why would canning lids have an expiration date when they’re supposed to preserve things. He offered that perhaps the materials of the seal contain ingredients that degrade themselves over time. A pity.

    Same with Marx’s point. He observed that Capitalism degrades, that it seems to bear the seeds of its own destruction within it, goes into some detail about it.

    But then his response to it is utterly idoitic.

    Like: “Sooner or later, a lot of humans catch cancer and die of it” Okay, point taken.

    So a surgeon that spent his whole life talking about this, postures as a Great Authority on this, The Guy With All The Answers has a string of patients into his surgery for this.

    What does he do? Cuts open their torso, shoves his arm there, wiggles it around, grabs, twists, squeezes, yanks various things – perhaps while lecturing some students and interns “Ya see? Sooner or later they get cancer and then they’re no good.”

    Patient dies due to his arm jammed violently into them: “DAMN YOU CANCER!!!” he screams at the sky before billing next of kin.

    You’ve only had abject failures for almost 2 centuries now. You got a country as good as the US and collapsed it. All that industrial and agricultural base, resources, etc. You had it all and all you could do with it was make people miserable, make people flee in terror, killl people in concentration camps, waste everyone’s time while blaming everyone else, and then collapse.

    AND you had a host of other countries You had a real life laboratory test with multiple countries trying multiple variations of your Big Brain Ideas and they all either collapsed or quietly sidled away into mercantile fascism or mixed-economy capitalism hoping nobody would notice out of sheer embarrassment.

    INSTEAD of grabbing the ALREADY failed cope of False Consciousness or trying to create a new proletariat out of the margins via gay race communism, do you think you could have said to yourselves:

    “Hey. We did the False Consciousness (Rebranded as White/Gender/Etc Consciousness) as an 1800s cope back when we realized the proletariat were being made happier under Capitalism, didn’t we? Hey, WAIT a minute now! Didn’t our Great Leader’s main criticism consist of Capitalism going bad due to xyz things???”

    “…WHAT IF, instead of attacking Capitalism – like attacking the patient instead of the cancer – we attacked all the things Marx defined as ruining capitalism? Like, what if we did a long march through all the institutions and, having won, instead of being killjoys that make everything suck for everyone, we, By Any Means Necessary, quashed all attempts at monopoly, eliminated frausters and grafters and anyone not doing their actual jobs.”

    “…like, what if we ACTUALLY held Capitalism to its ACTUAL rules and became like this secret society that maintained the purity of Capitalism, since we’re The Few That Know all those bad things that bring it down??”

    Like, just in the spur of the moment, I’m riffing ideas on things you could do OTHER than try to Grima-Wormtongue your way through this shit for the billionth time.

    Like, without any deep thought, just the first thought that comes to my head like “If I were a Communist – sorry, just an Anti-Anti-Communist with no beliefs of my own to state or defend – and I kept failing, what cool new thing could I do that would be awesome and make everyone happy instead of miserable and not lead to the same mistakes I always make.”

    Decades to contemplate your failure. And you can’t think of something that a person can come up with in 5 seconds. Instead, snide CONTENTLESS remarks for transparent Anti-Anti-Communism. You suck, bro.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161595
    jb-hb
    Participant

    all the jb-hb sees are the red communist flags and Marxist slogans ..Seek help dude!

    Just coincidentally, ANTI-communism is super stupid, alarming, despicable, crazy. Strangely, we are super, super staunch anti-ANTI communists. We need to jump in to do THAT.

    Why do you jump in out of your absence to punch my fist with your face, man? Like “Yeah bro, but you forgot to add a picture to give a literal illustration, so here I am as that illustration!”

    Capitalism – individuals own the means of production

    Socialism – State owned means of production

    Communism – 100% socialism

    So anyway, what % would you say is a good place for you to bravely take a stand:

    “Stop, you filthy murderous, killjoy, all-ruining marxists and communists! No more Socialism! You’re ruining my Socialism! It stops HERE!!!”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161590
    jb-hb
    Participant

    AI gives customers ice cream combined with bacon

    “Quick! Hit the kill switch!!!!”

    Like, if AI does cool shit- cures cancer, balances the budget and eliminates all corruption, makes a really great Star Wars movie…

    QUICK, PULL IT!!!!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2024 #161588
    jb-hb
    Participant

    We only had a nationwide organization gathering people in thousands nightly in the 50 major cities to break the law nightly for like a year, one that swore it would destroy the capitalist system and the american family – in combination with another organization flying the same communist flag from the 20’s, burning down police stations, throwing bombs at government buildings and so on – local governments standing down the police. Autonomous communist zones declared in every major city and honored by their local Dem mayors. (anarcho-tyranny)

    We only have our cities going to absolute crap due to this same police stand-down. Under the slogan “abolish the police,” which is a marxist slogan – they TELL YOU it is.

    You’re only hearing marxist ideas from 70’s Marxist Sociology Professors Who Hate You pushed hard while anything not-marxist is silenced or screeched as “far right” — all the various ideas in high-rotation go straight back to Alinsky or even Engels, very identifiably going to marxists in between – how do you know? They fucking TELL YOU plus it is observably part of the documented record for western academic marxists,, Frankfurt School etc.

    We only have marxist concepts blaring 24/7 out of all our institutions, voiced by major state and federal figures, put forth in government advertising for the army, even for 3 letter agencies.

    But “we” never SAID we were marxists or communists ourselves, oh no, “we” never SAID it.

    Just coincidentally, ANTI-communism is super stupid, alarming, despicable, crazy. Strangely, we are super, super staunch anti-ANTI communists. We need to jump in to do THAT.

    We are only Socialist!

    Then anybody socialist, answer my long standing question here – if you are “only” socialist and not communist/marxist, then what % is the ideal one for government – The State – to be as a portion of the economy?

    Capitalism: individuals own the means of production.

    Socialism, Communism, Marxism: The State owns the means of production

    Communism is simply pure socialism. Everything 100% reaching a point of running based on socialism.

    So at what point will you fight, and say “NO! No more! Stop, you damn Communists and Marxists, you are ruining my socialism with your increased socialism past ___ perfect point!”

    No, you guys never define a stopping point and never fight them. You always silently nod along or voice your agreement, or leap to oppose those anti-communist meanies.

    The communist would say you socialists are just cowardly communists, who want the same thing but don’t have the balls to say it or full-on work for it. That’s why they say you’re useful but are going up against the wall once, with your support, they get where they want to go.

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