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Maxwell Q. posted (prev. thread):
As I drove home, I wondering how this could be: that a highly intelligent, well-travelled, ex bank president, independent, strong-willed woman could suck up the entire mainstream Covid narrative like a Hoover Deluxe? Then I saw Reid’s post of the Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn quote and it struck me: She hasn’t even peeled the first layer of the truth onion. She doesn’t know that “they are lying”. There is a blind trust of what she sees on TV and reads in the newspaper. This always seems to be the case until one of those lies reaches out and bites you in the ass.
What makes this incident relevant to the quote above is that the woman, who has been attempting to raise her awareness, grew up in communist Romania. Like Solzhenitsyn, she knew that governments lie to their people… brazenly, to the full extent of “we know they know we know they are lying”.
In the US at present, the well-placed, the professiona, managerial, classes, those with social capital, the rich … Say, the 20%, who own property, own ‘shares’, have comfortable salaries, sit on nodes that confer decisionary powers, play consequent roles in ‘running things’, etc., the 20% includes the hopeful hangers on who are subservient to that class and/or hope to join it with full accreditation! …are *de facto* obliged to adhere to Gvmt. decisions, mantras, propaganda.
Why? Because the whole kaboodle, the system, has been set up, created, to favor them, keep them on board, protect their privileges, and ensure their complicity. (Some of them know this but won’t admit it.)
An ex bank-president (in the US) can’t possibly become a class traitor, to put it in old-fashioned terms. She ‘believes’ the TV (propaganda), as she must, even if she judges it is shaky or off-key, because the ppl around her, her mates, her buddies, her family, her colleagues (? ?..) all of them, adhere to it, or pretend to. She can’t leave her tribe, become an outcast, and be subject to rejection, Like oh my god did you hear.. she is a conspiracy theorist, a right-winger, maybe even a ‘deplorable.’
The picture in the ex-USSR (I went to Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, before the fall of the wall) was completely different.
The ‘Gvmt’ powers were decried and dismissed by everyone except for a tight, small, ‘cadre’ at the top. Who kept out of public view.
Docs, U Profs, engineers, Gvmt. employees e.g. responsible for Public Works, aspiring capitalists aka entrepreneurs, ‘traders’ perhaps dubious but!, young ppl hankering for ‘western’ clobber, others, were all super pissed off. That is one of the main reasons why the USSR collapsed.
Even the ‘cadres’ some I met were only compliant to pocket the pay, to feed the kiddies. Particularly in Poland, some of these cadres ran illegal (not nefarious) bizness on the side. They sold washing machines, cement, un-registered photocopy machines, high quality cloth, and shoes from Italy, for ex. via complicated circuits.
ON: Biden admin ‘flagging problematic posts’, putting pressure on big tech to increase ‘fact-checking’ efforts..
The US Gvmt. can crack down on, coerce, co-opt, order about, social media Cos. like Facebook. They could even shut one or another or several down (under some kind of emergency measure..)
Until recently there was no reason to implement restrictions of any kind, in fact Big Tech Cos (GAFAM in F, goog, apple, facebk, amazon, microsoft -note the different functions and biz models-..) were, and are, big money makers (> .. shareholders), screamed ‘modern’, USA rah rah rah, have much influence / control abroad, were favored by tax exemptions / dodges, etc.
It is only, publically, since Biden and the Dems (part of the duopoly) perception that social media were partly responsible for the Trump election (in fact, it was overwhelmingly TV that influenced it, media-wise), coupled with the illegitimacy and thus weakness of the Bidadmin, leading to public avowal of one of the principal hallmarks of fascism, controlling / influencing the ‘new’ media, Big Corps internet social media. Interesting that the proffered public excuse is medical dis-information about COV19, to do with health, vital!
Coupled with RED warnings about extremist thought, positions, gotta watch out, denounce your neighbors, etc. Sublety ain’t it – it is so hackneyed one wonders who is in charge and how long that will last. I guess though that some ppl fall for it, just as they did when they denounced Jews, anti-communists to the Stasi, etc. Plus ca change..
France. Macron made an announcement, a Pass Sanitaire will be needed for entering: supermarket, trains, long distance bus, restaurants, bars, of course any place or venue packed with people, theatre, cinema, gyms, etc.
The pass requires being vaxed or having a negative PCR test. How many days old for the test wasn’t said or I missed it – in any case come autumn these tests will no longer be paid for, be re-imbursed, and as quite expensive, only the rich will be able afford one every / x days.
VAX becomes obligatory for all medical personnel, all those working in hospitals (like cleaners) / others where ‘vulnerable’ people are residing, being treated. As well as for firemen.
This follows the ‘protect the elderly, the vulnerable’ scheme, which was actioned right from the start (e.g. lockdown to prevent hospital breakdown, infecting granny, etc.)
Thus, one of the principal knowlegeable and quite anti-vax professional sectors, who might potentially influence others with coherent explanations, or make threats about strikes etc. are forced to put up or shut up, they might lose their jobs, livelihood, if they refuse. (Nothing much about ‘sanctions’ has been said yet.) So, this professional corps is targetted.
I suspect: the usual Corp. / Fin. suspects are hyper keen on breaking down the Public Health system in F, and privatizing big chunks of it, they are gloating about a fantastic opportunity to get rid of non-compliant old-style refusniks, while retaining the submissive, fearful, obedient, go-along, ppl.
I heard one pundit, a lawyer, on MSM radio speculate: The real question we need to consider is can one (we) replace the 25% (med perso) who will go missing?
— His meaning was, this is all a bit hasty, we need to think about who will step up to be a nurse…hmm…? He was fine with it all but saw a negative impact, which was rather naive. He himself thought he was being caring and ‘sharp.’ Yikes!
Yesterday, 14 July, there were massive demos all over France. They haven’t been well covered by the MSM. One twitter thread. (don’t do twitter but in a quick search found no better…)
The Police and the Gendarmerie, as prof. State Corps are NOT under an obligatory VAX order.
Horribly transparent. Had Macron ordered that for ‘all those in contact with the public’ the VAX was obligatory, including Police, the whole scheme would have broken down.
The keepers of order on the streets and arrest powers (+++ *much* more) are given a Pass to not be obliged to have a Pass, not new in the History of the World, but how blatant can you get?
Teachers will probably be next.
One aspect that stands out: The seemingly desperate hurry, the need to implement as quickly as possible all measures / any damn thing! that will get ppl to agree to be vaxxed. As if there was a window of oppo that will / might, close soon. (Some kind of anticipated resistance?)
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23VaccinObligatoire&src=typeahead_click
I feel unable to stop this slow-moving catastrophe. – phoenix voice.
Yes this is a desperate situation and it is hard to handle, one feels very isolated, and not just because of the potential ‘opprobium’ of being labelled a ‘conspiracy theorist’, which can be avoided (maybe, it depends on society, country, etc.), by a sort of “I am worried about children and young ppl, they don’t suffer from covid, and the vaxxes haven’t been tested on them, so who knows..” – this is a line I have been pushing – …
The vax has been touted up to be: A certificate attesting one is a legitimate, responsible, member of society; someone who cares about others; a person who is now free (or potentially so..) from the strictures of masks, lockdowns, no travel, no bars, discos, restos, no planes (…), etc.
Extraordinarly clever. Being Vaxxed is: Good for oneself, Good for Society, affords social approval on the ground, guarantees approval from authorities, in many situations provides A PASS. At the same time it permits, or even encourages, disaproval and aggression towards outsiders, refusniks, dumb ppl, poor ppl, etc. This was thought out in advance, imho, it is just too neat.
Dr D posted: It has been suggested this was done so Joe could sell Afghanistan to China, or in this case, that they get the multi-billion$ contracts to rebuild it. Makes more sense than otherwise, why not?
Remember all those super-wondrous precious metals in Afgh post 9/11? (Like, invading to take them, why not…)
Well, most of the foreign cos. active there in extraction – + long term projects – are Chinese. (I have no good link to attest to this, as the collation isn’t done.) (Telecoms and so on is another story.)
Brookings in 2013: https://www.brookings.edu/research/china-buys-into-afghanistan/
German think-tank, 2018, long report:
hexadecimal posted: Trump should look into suing the CIA, NSA, FBI, CNN, MSNBC, DNC, etc, etc, etc, for the coup attempt of Russiagate. He should pick a nice round number like a trillion dollars for publicity. ..
Make a fantastic all out show attack and sue the lot of them…! Demand huuuge (as Trump would say) reparations! Maybe, extravagance can serve!… but:
Trump’s present suit will give him ‘bigly’ plus points in the camp of the “deplorables”, and his supporters, and the few (?) who are by principle, independent of personas, attached to a functioning heh “** democracy **” aka the US as a representative republic, those objecting to all-out corruption, manipulation of votes, etc.
Problem: DT can’t win in the courts (imho, after the stolen election and the fact that the judicial system basically refuses to treat this matter) – Twit and Co. are private companies, and much more. It will all drag out in time, and have only negative (from a Trumpian pov) outcomes, conclusions.
Going all out would brand him as a nutter who has lost, it would be said, what slim grip on reality he had —> to being mocked as a senseless and disruptive and nefarious complainer, litigator, doing harm to USA’s great democracy and stalwart people, creating divisions, so to speak, while, to boot, wasting everyone’s time.
But maybe there are some wild things he could do that would be flash and have unpredictable results. IDK, it is interesting to think about. (Nothing will happen.)
On Trump announces class action lawsuit against Twitter, FB, Goog. – prev. thread.
What happened is that social media and TV, and even print, all upped their watchers, users, inscribers, subscribers, ratings, during the Killary – Trump contest. The more they clarioned Trump, or gave him platforms, oppos to speak, time, the better they did. (When they showed Killary.. hm .. pretty dismal..)
When Trump won fair-n-square, “the Dems”, aka the pretend duopoly of front-line pols, went flap-lally-doo as they had not envisaged that outcome and neglected to take measures to prevent it. Understandable, as “the Dems” have no interest in politics at all (it is all about money, +++ amounts, and instituted power positions) and have no clue about what the electorate wants or whatever – anything ‘governance’ – really.
They blamed an outside enemy, a traditional scapegoat (Russia, Russia, Russia) as they confusedly felt they couldn’t diss the deplorables, a large chunk of voters.
In fact, they were incandescent furious at social media and made a vow to control it (after praising it for help in the election of Obama, remember O was the first major Pol. to ‘handle’ social media..); they blamed Assange and ‘hackers’ and swore to have him silenced for ever, as an example, and to punish other ‘hackers’; their loathing for ‘deplorables’ hit the screeching red area -> revenge was on the cards.
Once the Bidadmin was in place (here using Twitter as an example), Twit bans Trump, on orders from the Gvmt. It also toes the line on COV19 origins, censoring various povs, then abruptly switching their position on orders from above (China origins..)
The Bidadmin is more powerful than Twit, and Twit is more powerful than Trump. *Say* .. and so it goes.
The deplorables are being turned into domestic terrorists who participated in or covertly supported ‘an insurrection’ !
Until recently ‘terrorists’ inside USA lands were still painted as foreign agents, infiltrators (> 9/11), or, even if citizens, in the grip of radical, foreign-born, organised, mind-sets, intent on harming the US .. e.g. Jihadists, Muslin terrorists … No more! The enemy is within!
This is a turning point…Imho many ppl understand this but don’t know what to do.
Trump, to endure, or go down in history as more important than a place-holder role, should have pardoned Assange. + His present lawsuit is a mistake, it won’t lead anywhere, and smells like sour-grapes.
On the video where the Aussie TV chap says:
…. “This is the largest clinical trial ever (he is reffering to COV vaxes), we will have enormous amounts of data (…) The message for the public is, it’s safe, it’s effective, it will help protect you (goes on to quote, and others, like your Nonna..) ”
Is extravagantly nonsensical and duplicitous. Yet, it is apparently fine to broadcast on MSM, and is expected to ‘have an impact’, i.e. boost vax-taking numbers, and shore up the self-congratulatory moral righteousness of the newly vaxxed.
I have also seen the various Cov vaxes rollouts called *experiments.*
They are nothing of the kind, and there isn’t any data at all, as it is not being collected by anybody (even rogues, afaik, as it can’t be done, it is all too dodgy, one can’t even make some solid assumptions..)
The VAERS, Eudravigilance, and other data bases collecting reports of adverse effects are there as a sop to the public (docs must know it is BS) — one can complain somewhere! It is official! As well as to support the myth of ‘data collection.’ Of course, whatever is logged in them can be dismissed, even thrashed, as the entries are spontaneous, individual, voluntary, and never checked, collated, analysed, etc. (Imho, many adverse effects reports have been removed, that is just me, one can’t prove that, so who knows.)
And then the message it is safe is banged out again, when in fact the previous argument was ‘the data will tell, be useful’ — well I am kicking in open doors I know.
The crux is, this is what the MSM does, and how that whole circuit (or circus, heh) functions is what has to be questioned, analysed and *in fine*, torn down.
madamski, yes it is interesting. We will see. Putin is more ‘libéral’ (in the old sense, stronger emphasis on personal decision, responsibility, acceptance of outcome, of course in this case it is also politically expedient, as Russians will be Russians and may shrug off any reco. med. stuff..) — than the Church he supports, which is more collectivist. Interesting though that the word SIN, strong, for non-vax decisions was used by the Church. (The Pope hasn’t dared.)
Imho neither attitudes are particularly well tailored to dealing with a novel respiratory virus (which should be a medical, and if needed, State supported affair, such as for say field hospitals..) and merely goes to show that the whole covid affair has been politised, to the detriment of the sick…their families, the community, etc.
Putin will probably as you say stay out of it for some time, that is the best course (from his pov.)
From article up top: Those who refuse to be vaccinated against Covid-19 are committing a sin they will have to repent for the rest of their lives. That’s according to the Russian Orthodox Church…
https://www.rt.com/russia/528425-orthodox-church-anti-vaxx-sin/
Pope Francis suggests people have a moral obligation to take the COV vaccine:
“I believe that morally everyone must take the vaccine” the pontiff said in an interview with Italy’s TG5 news program. “It is the moral choice because it is about your life but also the lives of others.”
Jan 2021, National Catholic reporter. https://bit.ly/2V1PqP9
The Pope has also called for waiving vax patents and for offering vaxes to poorer Nations, ppls.
Interpreting …. the vax is assimilated to an anointment, a kind of physical stamp of approval resting in the body (if not the soul), similar to a pledge of belonging by the faithful, thus the blessed ppl; see anointment, baptism, rituals, certificates, etc.
These religious leaders are piggy-backing on State (Corporate) advisories as they no longer have the power to differ, coerce; but see the ideological fit -> community, etc.
By contrast, on the Protestant side, to drag up the extremes, the attitude of Evangelicals in the US and elsewhere is the polar opposite. (How that works out on the ground is another topic.) Distrust of ‘science’; an emp. on individualism, libertarianism, with God as the ultimate Decider, doesn’t speak to ‘vax’ – in fact afaik “natural immunity’” is a big thing in this community. It seems that Christian Ev. pastors, US, are being pushed to recommend vaxxes. … one link:
Egypt, UAE, Pakistan, Indonesia, have published fatwas certifying COV vaxxes as permissible. (The ingredients are ignored because of ‘life-saving’ properties.) This seems to be the general trend.
Some of the issues laid out…
https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/halal-status-covid-19-vaccine-worries-muslims
Guardian, on UK imams and their message: (pro-vax) https://bit.ly/3wmzfJp
from previous thread. Unvaxed ppl are variant factories.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html
I am not a virologist nor even a medico but it appears to me, i.e. as far as I understand it, the very opposite is the case.
What plagues (sic) me is that in the MSM and the ‘experts’ quoted, we hear about ‘mutations’ – everyone understands the sort of random changes (errors in replication, like typos..) that are take place, and that these can lead to viruses that are more XYZ – contagious, deadly, ineffective, etc.
While coronaviruses mutate (of course) they also re-combine, that is, when two versions, a and b, are present, they may exchange little pieces, leading to ‘new variants’ — I’m not clear on what is / not defined as a variant, how consequent does the change have to be? Anyone?
Obviously (some) vaxxes introduce more viral particles just hanging around waiting to ‘recombine’… What happens for ex. in the body of someone who is infected with /COV/ and gets vaxxed with the J and J? Does this provide re-combination opportunites in that body?
Maybe this is off the beam, erroneous, or sorely incomplete, but …why isn’t this discussed? And why doesn’t prudence prevail? Ok, questions are tongue in cheek.
VietnamVet, thanks for the succint summing up in your post.
Only to one point: National Health advisories (boards, etc. instituted since a long time, imperfect in many ways, whatever ..) have been killed off.
For ex. in France, Macron is advised for COV19 by a mysterious Kabal of ‘experts’ or ‘friends,’ called the Scientific Council for COV19.
A collection of yay-sayers, Macron admirers, o-la-la, France is a shining “Start-UP” Nation, old-hat has to be swept away by super sexy tech, innovative medecine, new directions to be explored speedily with probity and rigor, leading to a wonderful National Resurgence, and so on. One of the members is a child psychiatrist, total stooge, another is a lame sociologist.
link in F, but one can note that Prof. Raoult used to be a member but is now listed as ex.
(madamski thx > Putin vax update.)
Health, Disease, Cures, Control
The grip of the charities, trusts (in brackets are merely examples that are well-known – Wellcome), Foundations (Bill and Melinda), the circuits of labs (Level 4, Gvmt. funded for the most part), NGOs, Intl. orgs (WHO), Big Pharma (Pfizer), Part(s) of Big Medecine (e.g. medical machinery, infrastructure, often overlooked), regulatory bodies of various kinds (FDA, SwissMedic), Universities and their research (John Hopkins), Defense, its funding for ‘potential’ bio-warfare; add in aspiring leeching hangers-on; are all, truly, essentially, *globalist.*
In the sense of either operating over big chunks of the world, or as are taking decisions, promoting actions, with their colleagues, other (nominally in-country, maybe not nationals, etc.) at home or abroad, that affect many countries.
One ex., the Novo Nordisk Foundation (bigger than the Gates one, it is said):
Who are we?
The Novo Nordisk Foundation is an independent Danish foundation with corporate interests. The Foundation has two objectives:
— to provide a stable basis for the commercial and research activities of the companies in the Novo Group (Novo Nordisk A/S and Novozymes A/S)
— to support scientific, humanitarian and social causes.
// vids 3 mins about. In 1, “Where does the money come from?” we learn that the Foundation owns Novo Nordisk, a huuge Big-Pharma Company. In 2, “What is the money used for?” all the humanitarian + green tropes floating about are pur forward.//
Their grants related to Covid (only 2.2 million dollars) are all to vague ‘support of women’ and to stay in touch with, pander to, other big players, like Oxfam, Human Rights Watch, UNICEF, Red Cross, and buddies close by, Int. Aids services Denmark.
Millions for COVID-19 initiatives in low- and middle-income countries
from, https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/about-the-foundation/
In some sense, a one-world-Gvmt. is already operating. Under a humanitarian – health – etc. guise. Rumsfeld with his ‘terrorists are out to get us’, justifying a milit. grab ME oil, didn’t work out well, and is now completely passé.
One way of putting it:
Those in power in the W have passed from attempting to corner and control the input: Energy (oil, gas, coal..), to controlling and reducing the results, output, of free-for-all enthusiastic energy consumption, that is, now on Earth, a staggering multitude of ppl who need to eat and want to have housing, water on tap, decent shoes, some schooling for kiddos, a flat screen..
Madamski, yes a different vax, which of course makes all the difference… you see the positive side where I am more suspicious.
About the Mayor of Moscow, Soubyatin, ordering obligatory vaxes for xyz personnel, my prev. posts and some discussion, I looked a bit deeper.
He also wanted (ordered, decreed, not sure?) the closing of night-clubs and other similar, and parroted the necessity of a *sanitary pass.*
He is said to be anti-Putin and to be in the grip of a complexe occidentaliste. (= Admirer of the West.) His sanitary advisor (whose name I didn’t capt) worked at the European Medical Center (some unimportant outfit in Brussels, see link 1.)
Putin has consistently stated that the vax would be voluntary.
Now that is the past, as the central Gvmt. and/or the Regions (who have quite a lot of leeway, like US states) are taking decisions on this matter.
About 20 large towns are making the vax obligatory for many service personnel (restaurants, functionaries, nurses, etc.)
Putin himself is vaxxed. It is (afaik..) Medvedev (pres. of the the Party United Russia, Putin’s party) who is responsible for overseeing, coordinating the COV19 policy at the Federal level.
Reportedly, Putin has so far (27 June) refused to answer questions on this topic.
This all went down within one week. The Mayor of Moscow made his announcement, published his decree (oblig. vax) while Putin was in the plane on his way to Switz. > sneaky.
Peskov (Kremlin spokesman) was on air shortly thereafter, saying no, that couldn’t be, no way vax > obligatory. 2/3 days later he says he personally (not his remit btw!) is in favor of the Moscow measures, and 2/3 days later he says free choice holds as ppl can refuse the vax and quit their jobs.
—from F radio, some goog trans, and Moreau vid. in F (link)
So we are dealing with matters that are far more serious than just Gvmt. stupidity, fumbling around. Russia is following the exact same scenario as W countries (with Sputnik V vax, though some there are shrilly touting Moderna and Pfizer as superior) – going for vax +++.
Similarly, masks, gloves, distancing, etc. are still deemed necessary for everyone, vaxed or not.
The uniformity of the imposed narrative and measures it forces or promotes (vax, of any brand, continuing restrictions on movement, etc.) is very troubling — coming back to my main point.
http://www.europeanmedicalcenter.eu
xavier moreau video, in F
Other thread. madamski wrote:
— While I can’t certify that Putin is hysteria-free, his ordering a distrustful populace to trust him on this is the kind of gamble a person like Vlad doesn’t take unless there’s an urgent need and/or the odds are in his favor. SO I still think there’s more to this than standard government incompetence. —
I agree, yes, my musings were very general, the world has gone bonkers, hardly flash news, but there are degrees and tipping points.
Perhaps the key is that the Russian Vax is safe in the sense of causing almost no or very few bad adverse reactions / horrific results like three-days-on death, so the danger is low. (There are some studies, sorting that out is another topic..see one link) and Putin/ the Gvmt. of Russia, have the solid nos. in hand, and know this.
Moscow (16 June) for ex: …orders mandatory vaccinations for many workers
Presumably this order is within the remit of the Mayor of Moscow.
“We simply must do everything to carry out mass vaccinations in the shortest possible time and stop this terrible disease, stop the deaths of thousands of people,” Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said in a statement.</em
Dismaying! in its similarity to what goes on in the UK / USA / other W. Crazy copy-pasta.
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-moscow-orders-mandatory-vaccinations-for-many-workers/a-57920906
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext
prof wrote in prev. thread:
Madamski noted:
“It intriques me that Russia is pushing vaccination so hard. My hypothesis: they are scared of covid variants driven by the selection pressure imposed by mRna “vaccines”, so much so that they will risk considerable political fallout at the polls by imposing harsh measures to get them all vaccinated with a real vaccine that will help the body fight covid variants. They take people like Bossche seriously, methinks.”
But I would also add that here in Moscow at least, the traditional low credibility of the authorities ensures that voluntary compliance will be limited.
General comment…
There is an element of mimicry and competition inherent in this whole ‘reactions to covid’ and particularly vaxs, business. A kind of hysteria and group-think has taken hold, and it reaches high up, way beyond your frightened glued-to-TV watcher.
Of course, tremendous pressure via long-implemented corruption play a role. Corruption and partial take-over of int’l med bodies like WHO, country ‘ministers’, advisory, regulatory, control boards, Doc. associations, and many more.
The end result is pressure to vax, thru manipulation and propaganda, making Gvmts., those in authority needing to be seen to ‘act smartly’, provide solutions, do the ‘right thing.’
A ‘miracle potion’ (here a vax) is essentially a standard move to deal with a crisis (covid is not dire.. though I suppose made to seem so comes down to the same thing.. other topic..)
Plus, not to forget that Gvmts readily embrace reasons to impose restrictions, control, corral ppl, etc., and that profiteers, Big Tech for ex. producing covid digital passes, will jump eagerly on board to make money (or joined the planning long ago..) This is corp-state melding, an aberration, extremism, of the center.
Vaxs have become politicized, with countries / blocs only recognizing -abc- vaxs. Typically the West refusing to certify Russian, Chinese vaxs as effective or ‘acceptable.’ In this way, vaxs are assimilated to lowly consumer products (blocks on trade, monopolies) that exist merely for some to make a profit. It is clear that medical / effectiveness considerations play NO ROLE whatsoever.
Russia is not immune (sic), it is not outside this circuit and accepts the terms of the competition.
Recent vids of Prof. Didier Raoult, France, concerning only the patients treated in ‘his’ main center hospital in Marseille, one link below:
…. seem to show (he is cautious and always says ‘for now’ etc.) no striking / immediately apparent difference between vaxxed and non-vaxxed, as concerns,
> infections, those who test positive. 20% of ‘his hospital’ positives are vaxxed, and 25% of the population he sees – this is hard to judge of course, foreignors and so on – are vaxxed.
> severity e.g. becoming hospitalized or not.
// deaths are too small a no. to judge (on their own)//
One correspondence (submitted to the Lancet)
In our center, among 15242 patients followed up for COVID-19 from January 1st, 2021, 1213 were hospitalized (7.9%) and 125 died (0.8%) with COVID 19.
Among these, 545 were vaccinated, 62 of whom (11.3%, p < 10) were hospitalized and eight died (1.4%, p = 0.08). Therefore, vaccination did neither prevent hospitalizations nor the most severe forms…
Of course, vaxing ramped up over time, there were no vaxxed on Jan 1. 2021, a lot more detail / finer analysis could be done, not sure that woud be useful (particular context, small nos.)
.. in line with my stance for now that the vaxxes can’t readily be shown to do good or harm, in a meaningful, unequivocal way, at present.
Raoult, in line with your post (on video) has some data that shows *Infection* to be more common after vax (within one month, 1 or 2 doses) than without it, he says, we have to see, and wonders what is the mechanism?
So thsi all lines up though it is murky.
Raoult (in F no subs) June 8 2021
One thing that troubled me right from the start was who was dying of COV19. ??
I couldn’t grasp it. Clearly, factors, number one tops: Age.
Children weren’t dying but over 70’s were. Recall, there were all kinds of papers and analyses about who was most vulnerable, affected, in 2020.
I read a lot of those and even made a chart. Men were more vulnerable than women – died more speedily, earlier. (I even posted about this several times iirc. Women are infected more often because smiley jobs.)
Ppl with ‘compromised immune systems’ (vague, meaningless) were, are, ‘at risk’, as well as ppl with ‘co-morbitities’ like diabetes, a sort of catch-all for ppl who are more likely to be ‘impacted’ with anything at all and then die. Only one interesting ‘result’ (at the time) stood out – smokers were less affected; this was quickly denied, ppl were advised to stop smoking because! increased COV risks.
Afaik no medical explanation for the ‘old ppl’ deaths vs. middle age / youth was ever put forward, except old, more vulnerable, ill, compromised, etc.
I’m not suggesting the virus was engineered to impact old ppl (don’t think that is possible to do as of now), or to target ‘poorer’ ppl, e.g. in the US Blacks / Hispanics, with overall worse heath care, less good living / working conditions, etc. Nor that some ppl, say age 20 – 45 haven’t been hit very hard by COV19, with unexpected deaths, long covid and so on.
No solid medical explanation (that I know of) exists as to why in the say 20 – 50 age group one person suffers v. little, another is sick but recovers quickly, and another dies. Wouldn’t that be the first thing to investigate? Even thru some data base trawling and correlations? Am I missing something? What?
Basically what happened, imho *now*, is that statiscally expected, upcoming deaths were pushed forward by 2, 3, 4 months or a year or even more, and attributed to Covid.
By various means. Leaving infection pools to fester, sending old ppl infected into old ppls homes, refusing to treat affected patients, sending them home (in France, hunker down and take Doliprane), forbidding regular treatment with standard meds, bascially stopping docs from treating their patients following their ‘decisions.’ Isolating patients and depriving them of care, in old ppls homes, and letting spread take place in other places, like prisons. In hospitals, putting ppl on vents (e.g. in the US raking in money for that.) Plus what nobody wants to talk about, the *do no ressucitate* orders that were implemented in various forms in various countries.
my post about Dr. Qui was maybe ‘old news’ .. .. I revisited that today…what’s up now?
Here from 21 June 2021, UK Gvmt. Agency website.
Well well well. Out in the open now, an alliance between private corp. ‘social media’ and ‘Gov’.
Press release:
Leading social media platforms unite to support COVID-19 vaccine drive
Snapchat, Reddit, TikTok and YouTube have partnered with the government to encourage users to get the vaccine.
Things are moving forward very swiftly, it is almost like it was … planned with check points on a calendar.
Link (‘hype’ type, everyone is a spy, etc.) lists the pathogens sent by Dr. Qiu from the 4-level lab in Winnipeg to the Wuhan lab in March 2019, following a FOIA-type request in Canada.
*Backstory.* Dr. Qiu, her husband, and two students (one doctoral, other idk) were escorted out of the lab in Winnipeg in July 2019, and fired.
the site is ‘Great Game India’ (idk..)
from GGIndia. Quotes:
The shipment was routed from Winnipeg to Toronto and then to Beijing on a commercial Air Canada flight on Mar. 31, 2019.
The ATIP documents list the contents of the shipment including two vials each of 15 strains of virus (about 15 ml):
Ebola Makona (three different varieties)
Mayinga
Kikwit
Ivory Coast
Bundibugyo
Sudan Boniface
Sudan Gulu
MA-Ebov
GP-Ebov
GP-Sudan
Hendra
Nipah Malaysia
Nipah Bangladesh————————————-
Well when one gets into details like this, it is no wonder that lab ‘accidents’ happen. Except, maybe they aren’t in the lab / or close by it (waste water, pateient zero wanders out, etc.)
Putin’s press conference after the Geneva meeting. Eng transcript:
Listened to the poor simul. trans. in F. with vid, I ‘get it’ or like to think so. VP’s first remarks, left out in the transcript above, were very complimentary towards Biden, unecessary. (One can pass straight to policy issues, announce that the ambassadors are returning.) VP’s tone throughout was cautiously optimistic, not his wont. If, on the world stage, he is displeased he is poker straight-faced diplomatic, or shows his fury sub rosa. When happy, charmed, or amused, he shows it.
Ukraine. VP skirted mention of Biden. VP: ** I made it clear that the only action ‘appropriate’ is to contribute to, uphold, the Minsk Accords. Kiev-position is to re-integrate the Donbass, (re-take..) control the frontier with Russia, and hold elections 3 months thereafter. This is not acceptable. **
Of course, VP need state nothing more than Russia’s position, as the US backed off Nord Stream II objections, froze some military aid package, blatantly tossing Ukraine under the bus. It appears that Crimea was not mentioned at all , not one word..— so maps can start making it colored Russ. 🙂
Because (imho).. a) Bidadmin is desperate need to a return of EU support-submission to the US, which cracked a lot under Trump; Germany is the most important ally-puppet. b) The The US, EU are fed up with Ukraine – manipulating it, coercing it, is good for some hard cash (see e.g. Biden-Burisma), of course the geo. blocs, big corps, etc. have different rationales and aims, which clash, etc. but then?
Nothing turned out as expected, particularly for Merkel with her adoration of the boxer Klitshko (was supposed to be next Pres-PM-FM… but was demoted to Mayor of Kiev), the Ukr. was going to be yet another hinterland to be exploited by Germany.
Russia’s intransigence in the latest boiling over, provoked by Zelensky, massing 75K (or so?) troops on the border in the Donbass, has pushed the pause button which will now be held down for a very long time.
photo merkel – klitschko – yats 🙂
WES wrote: President Trump was impeached for suspending military aid to the Ukraine (something he never did). Today joe actually suspends military aid to the Ukraine. Shouldn’t joe be impeached?
Along the same lines… Trump’s plan was to ‘ally’ or cozy up to Russia, while fighting a ‘commercial’ and perhaps other non-kinetic war > China, in essence stopping the two others ganging up.
He was prevented from doing so by accepted by him neo-con advisors (never thought I’d see Bolton on stage again) and endless attacks on Orange Man Bad, Russia Russia Russia! screeched out by the like of R. Maddow, Dems, etc. Yeah, that’s the short version. He wanted (or said..) to withdraw from Afgh. He showed no interest in Ukraine whatsoever, let them solve their own problems.
Now the Bidadmin is implementing similar policies. Some kind of at least pause or temporary ‘hold-off’ in Russia-US relations, throwing Ukraine under the bus, withdrawing from Afgh. (complicated ..), and returning to the Obama Era by re-instating the JCPOA (in the sense of trying to do that..) And that is all SUPER COOL rah_ rah ! Dems or whatever.
Biden’s first foreign trip was to Russia (stopping off along the way to assure the EuroTrash that the US is still Master and ObimanEra is back after the Trump disruption – DT cared nothing for the EU and considered NATO useless..), while DT’s first visit was to Riyhad, then to Israel. He then flew to Rome, went to Vatican City.
In a way, seen from afar, it is plus ca change plus c’est la même chose. Bush Junior presided the creation of the GWOT, went for Afgh. Iraq… Obiman went after Lybia, Syria, Trump was dead set on attacking Iran .. Meanwhile KSA massacres Yemen. So what next with the Bidadmin?
It is like the ‘most powerful’ country on earth is in the grips of Mafia-like Struggles at the Top. *Taking for granted that none of them care for US ppl. at all.)
The article on Swexit was sorta OK. Skipping the comparison with the UK – they are too different to be useful for comprehension imho.
The number of EU_CH bi-lateral accords (not treaties; they are in the main commercial agreements) is about say 200 or more, not 100 – (it depends what you count) and they are a pain in the neck.
An infuriating (to some) and clumsy patchwork of piece-meal ‘legal stuff.’ Moreover, and here is the kicker – there was (and is) built into the overall picture, what is called the “guillotine clause” – which stipulates that if one, 1, accord is denounced by CH, all the rest fall flat, are nullified as well (total isolation! – this applies to ‘paquets’ of bilateral accords and not all of them.. more horrid detail..)
This dismaying situation was, is, the result of decades of drifting about, of quarreling around the edges, of compromises, good and bad. The guillotine clause was always hanging over CH! (And F, D, etc.) Both parties wanted to end this state of affairs.
Support from the Swiss ppl for an ‘institutional’, ‘supra-ordinate’ or ‘generalist’ accord – clarifying and settling all the issues was thus quite high, in 2015 or so, 64% would have voted yes to such an accord.
In 2020 that % was 22, and this March it was 15%. The ‘liberal left’ mentioned in the article is a tiny, really very marginal, part of the population. (Even that is a stretch, those for the accord come from all over the pol spectrum. Here the author applies his own lenses..) Even the Socialists – the ‘liberal’ left – have for the past 25 years not dared to speak one hushed word about joining the EU, they can foresee their demise.
in F. https://www.24heures.ch/une-majorite-de-la-population-est-favorable-a-laccord-cadre-419355155386
Yet, both parties soldiered on, neither of them wanting to stymie, spoil or destroy relations. However, it has been understood for a long time, 10 years or more, that certain obstacles could never be overcome. The PPLs party (so called populist right) adherents could never accept the super-ordinate EU courts.
The devil is in the details. One ex. re. the mention of high salaries in CH in the top article. The EU allows, nay champions, *detached workers.* Fantastique! Wunderbar! So Polish and Slovak guys and gals go and work in Germany and France, and they are paid …like in their country (the details are too bothersome, long..) These contracts are supposed to be limited in time, exceptional, only temp. but of course they are abused. It is a kind of legal ‘sub-par’ or even ‘slave’ (when sent by a company with no way out) labor, made ‘respectable’ by complex rules, bureaucratic obfuscation. (Almost) no Swiss ppl, not even Swiss bosses can accept this.
Switzerland has approved the vaccination of children as young as 12 without their parents permission from July.
–> posted by Germ.
Yes, that is correct. In CH there is a long tradition (libertarian, say) of letting children be free’ to ‘decide for themselves.’ Maybe 10+ or a bit more years ago, sales of alcohol became regulated to teens (16 years, beer, wine, cider ok, 18 years hard stuff), which never existed before.
CH was also *heavily* pressured by the US, to forbid prostitution (it is legal here) for ages 14-16, which was done (i.e. legal still after age 16 – which is in line with young ppl can decide what to do with their bodies..) Only a few rich madams in Zurich objected to the upping of the age. Did so publically btw.
Generally speaking the ‘age of decision’ or the ‘age of consent’ is 14, or 15, CH is a federation, it is hard to summarise it all. So why were ‘new laws’ restricting young ppls ‘freedom’ instored? To please the US? Ppl were furious.
The Med. decision thing was in line with the general directives – at age 14/15 children can decide for themselves. E.g. to have a quick operation or a long antibiotic treatment. Or no treament at all. (Orthodontia..is a prime ex.) An abortion, or not. An amputation, or not. Left in the community, in a psych hospital, or in a home for troubled adolescents, or not. This can be done when the community is soldered, young ppl have choices that others will respect, and will follow thru on.
However, that was never the case for vaccines, which previously were regulated by the Fed. State. No personal decisions were ever accepted, only Docs could decide (exceptions from vaxxes have always been easy to obtain, but it is the doc who certifies, it is not, officially, a personal choice.) Vaxs were under ‘public health measures’ and had nothing to do with ‘treatement options.’ Which imho makes sense.
So lowering the age of vax acceptance to 12 is a big scandal on two fronts; lowering the decisionary age; and changing the areas to which it applies. Not that btw any 12,13-yr olds will be rushing off to get vaxxed.
A reaction to Dr. D’s post on mills and the complex graphic he posted in the last thread.
Or rather! More for those who are into re-vamping non-FF tech to our present day, as I reckon Dr. D. knows all about it.
How to design a sailing ship for the 21st century?
Some ppl are trying.
https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2021/05/how-to-design-a-sailing-ship-for-the-21st-century.html#more
To get back to the story of the times, this vid about the swine flu of 1976, is a must-watch: glom the then-director of the CDC prevaricating / lying thru his teeth.
One can look up what happened to the swine-flu vax. Cancelled, after a small no of deaths.
Why young 15-25, volunteer for / accept the cov-19 vax?
— Technology advances, so do vaxes, this one is ‘new’, it is a modern thing, the publicity resembles that for a ‘new’ product, an ‘in’ thing like fantastic super fash shoes, a novel gadget, etc. Yeah, go for it. (=> Product advertising, placement.) I have heard this arg. from 15 yr. olds and 29 yr olds…
— I will be certified as vaxxed, get a ‘pass’ or other credential to stay / become part of the like-minded, or ‘top’ group – who can participate in xyz activities etc. Appeal to social identity, ingroup -> outgroup prejudice. ( => stiffer-armed marketing, skirting propaganda.)
—-I’m doing a good deed. If the only way to beat COV19 is via vax-immunity I’m helping that along. Here, the appeal held out is ‘to do good’ – as is done in pleas for charity donations to ‘ordinary’ ppl – a bearable dollar sacrifice accomplishes wonderful things elsewhere. The odd thing is that the vax is free and has no other obligations, which makes me think that the PTB were wary of this argument, but it seems to be quite common (ppl I have spoken to, internet boards.) Self-protection (I’m dead scared of catching covid) is as far as I can see completely absent, with good reason,15-25s don’t die of covid, which is perhaps why the ‘humanitarian’ argument is pushed.
— Low level marketing incentives to get vaxxed have been abundant: free beer, lottery tickets, etc. Quite odd, as it detracts from the seriousness of the matter (I want to protec’ my wife and the world’s children), so idk, is this corps. jumping on bandwagon, what? EU countries have avoided this move because it looks super scuzzy and will discourage ppl.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/24/business/vaccine-freebies/index.html
Note: the Med. community has said nothing, has been completely silent, about these mini-bribes to agree to a med. procedure. ??
—The threat of exclusion thru authority from above from many orgs., high n’ low, e.g. no college without vax, no travel without vax, no sports team, choir, employment, and so on.
It is as if *every possible* psych-, advert -, propa-, order from above-, threat type- move was implemented at once, badly coordinated. It looks desperate.
Eric Clapton brings up some of these points, I was happy to see. Always liked him.
The announcer from the BBC vid up top, is clumsily reffering to this Gvmt. report.
It shows, on pp. 14-15 that for what is now called the Delta Variant (others are not broken down or analysed in this way, so it is a very partial analysis):
From Feb 1. 2021, to 7 June 2021,
23 unvaxxed ppl died, and 19 vaxxed ppl died, care of this one variant. (Leaving aside all the problems of testing, autopsy, etc.)
— for the details > table p. 15.
Imho, everything has been done to make these numbers toally incomprehensible, nobody can understand, analyse them properly. The definitions are shoddy, opaque, hidden, masquerading as ‘scientific’ ..
Note the death nos. are very small and not different between vax-no vax. So yes, the glib “50% of ppl who died were vaxxed” is basically correct. Not that it means anything. I wonder how that got thru / wasn’t cut off. !
The Time Cover, Biden-Putin summit.
My favorite park is off limits, shut off with barbed wire. (Say.) They will meet in the Villa la Grange.
https://www.geneve.ch/en/parc-villa-grange
Why Switz? Switz. only does UN approved sanctions (a reason why many think CH should leave the UN, which it only joined in 2002.)
Ex: The chief of Putin’s security team is on the US sanctions list. So the fellow can only travel straight by air from say Moscow to Geneva or Zurich – not to Paris or Rome (though he’d be safe in the Vatican) – not to or thru countries that supposedly apply US sanctions or are so to speak ‘occupied’ by the US. Which of course already evidences a high level of hypocrisy from the US, but that is an old trope, basta.
What will happen?
Nothing.
The Bidadmin is set on making things look good, or just, well, occupying the stage, any show will do! (after the evil Trump, who was vilified for being a friend or stooge of Putin, now a meet with Putin .. go figure..), relations with Putin can be improved, and/or, the Russians need to hear! listen to! hard talk, whatever.
The US team has not (afaik) put forward any proposals for an agenda with points that either need discussion or could benefit from such, the Russians have complained about this. We will see a lot of empty posturing, or closer to a bar-room brawl, in words, remember Biden, “Putin is a killer” .. and the horrid, insulting and empty, performance of Blinken in Alaska facing the Chinese.
Press releases will be *hot air.* Mentioning: A re-set; sticking points; etc. The meeting might even worsen relations via it being judged ‘useless’, ‘insincere’, ‘insulting’ etc. from the Russkies side.
Putin and Biden have met several times, Putin knows that Biden is a propped-up-puppet senile figure. (Was Andropov senile? I don’t recall.) Putin could not refuse the meet, these are moves that have to be gone thru.
Some of the recent moves of the Bidadmin have been ostensibly ‘in favor of’ Russia and Iran.’ Biden cancelled sanctions on the main cos. doing the Nord Stream II pipeline, which will now be soon finished, throwing Ukraine under the bus. (Ukr lived off transit fees.. Zelensky is hysterical..). The JCPOA is back on track, though it seems to have hit an obstacle just now, still Bidadmin tried to dial the clock back on that one (instigated by Obama-Kerry.)
Possible COV19 // precursors //
Previously discussed: Old ppl’s homes in Maryland – EVALI, the vaping illness – atypical pneumonia and other in Lombardy, Italy – antibody studies – waste-water studies – other.
Imho we can be pretty sure that COV19 was circulating in several places in the world from at least July 2019 onward. (e.g. Greenspring home USA outbreak, at that date.)
US tourist deaths
The Fiji couple.
David and Michelle Paul (30’s), from Fort Worth, Texas, fell ill two days into their vacation to Fiji, vac. from May 19 to 27, 2019. (Other news give slightly different dates, the fam. didn’t note the precise ones.)
Their symptoms were diarrhea, vomiting, numbness, difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, and they both died, with ‘proper’ med / hosp. care. The husband was put on a ventilator (from a 2020 article, quote of sister.) Five ppl whom they had contact with were also hospitalised with similar symptoms, and one other article mentions 2 security guards and 2 med staff who were put into isolation. (All links are to MSM, and the details I report are not all to be found in them, one needs to read a big no..)
Article – https://fxn.ws/3pDywlj – headline *mystery virus*:
An investigation into the cause of their deaths is ongoing, but a recent World Health Organization alert warns of a deadly influenza strain, including in Fiji where it is “particularly affecting young adults.”
I couldn’t retrieve that alert – WHO has been doing a lot!! of updating – redirecting, aka scrubbing. Also this one, which may be what was being reffered to, is gone:
(via Goog). 27 May 2016 — Fiji is now reporting a surge in cases of severe acute respiratory illness, particularly affecting young adults, including four pregnant women who … ((died is the last word))
An academic paper on the SARI (the I is for Infection) outbreak in Fiji 2016.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6053106/
The CDC, the WHO were involved in testing/figuring out what caused the Paul deaths. No cause of death was ever identified / made public.
I’m not claiming this was COV19, just when one starts looking, all kinds of strange certainly (imho) viral maladies, similar in symptoms to COV19, emerge (sic.)
Dominican Republic US tourist deaths
This involved far more sick ppl. and deaths.
bbc June 2019.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48665796
Article hints at tainted alcohol from the ‘minibars’ as a cause (out of the question imho) but lists internal bleeding and fluid in their lungs for some deaths and pulmonary edema and respiratory failure for another.
CBS has a list of US tourists who died (May 2019 or so) from ‘illness’ – causes quoted: pulmonary edema for several of them – struggling to breathe – death certif. respiratory issues – fluid in the lungs – respiratory failure – heart attack – respiratory issues – fluid in the lungs – resp. problems – pulmonary edema – resp. distress…
ex. no cause attributed: “Allen was there with friends who said he complained about being hot at the pool before going to shower and lie down; he was found dead the next day.”
the list goes back to 2018….:
see also
🙂 Noirette sees COV19 everywhere 🙂
A proper worked out history would analyse and integrate these episodes.
Why didn’t locals die? Only the tourists? While one might imagine some deaths being either not noticed or deliberately covered up / neglected …For sure the local authorities would collate hotel maid, bar man, (etc.) deaths and claim some general ‘thingie’ and take some action? – didn’t happen.
The vaxxing of children and/or glorifying them if they decide to embrace the jab, when given the liberty to decide on their own (in some places from a v. low age x), is absolutely terrifying.
Echoes of ‘gender change’ where pre-pubescent children (and their parents who are in fact instigators), on the child’s say-so are allowed to radically transform the biology / body of the child (puberty blockers, later, operations, etc.) because those children are glorified as *special* near *holy* etc.
The family no doubt gets paid (thru med. insurance, stipends, support, etc.) and the parents can become facebook figures and even maybe grab 15-minute-fame TV! The children are admired icons for a while – and life-time clients of BigPharma-Med.
Part of the “tech and modern science” CAN trump Nature message – as long as profits can be raked in… What happens after they, the cute kiddies, prancing in skirts, or frowning ‘real bad’, have been used? Dismaying. Horrifying.
Prof. Chossudovsky, an economist, interviewed (audio) by Guns and Butter, about a year ago.
He relates the ‘pandemic’ to economic issues, saying for ex. that ‘the virus’ is used to implement drastic changes in trade, transport, economies. He opines it isn’t *bio-warfare”, or not in essence so, but has been actioned to concentrate money-wealth in the upper strata. He speaks about the biggest world-wide transfer of wealth – in modern times. He has it in for the WHO, in a big way, he returns to this point several times. (Sees them as totally complicit).
One hour.
This is *part* of the reason why so many different companies, organisms, groups, got on board with the MSM – Medic – Gvmt. panic scenario, or decided to stay silent and ‘wait and see’, trying to dope out where their interests would be best served / protected.
a must-watch. 4 mins.
One year prior to Covid, Belgian virologist Marc Van Ranst boasts to his colleagues about his psyops operation during the Swine Flu scamdenic of 2009. Laughing and joking, he exposes how he manipulated the media, triggering a sudden obsession with fatalities while creating pent-up demand for a useless vaccine whose side-effects ruined the lives of many thousands of unsuspecting adults and children around the globe.
Snipped from a talk he gave at the prestigious “Chatham House” in Jan 2019. The audience laughs when he details how he fooled ppl. Eng.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/virus-psyops-exposed-2019-01-22_2gvfnsOjlJCDiDE.html
Roboto wrote previous: I know I said this in the previous thread, but that may have been after most readers stopped reading that one. I have essentially realized that the most “Covid-compliant” types are really just Hillary Clinton’s creepy cult from the 2016 Election. One reason I was so resistant to realizing that for so long is that the worst of Donald Trump’s creepy cult (mostly the QAnon crowd) have been piggy-backing their crazy-talk on Covid-narrative skepticism.
Yes, and this ‘sociology’ is not limited to the US. In F and Switz. it is the Socialists who are gung-ho for lockdowns, controls, curfews, vaccines, masks, punishments for nay-sayers, etc. European Socialists are not equivalent to Dems. politically but occupy a similar position society-wise on this.
Those against the dominant COV-19 narrative and its imposition come from the working class (e.g. Gilets Jaunes, a new ‘economic’ uprising, now killed off by the State (Macron) and cov-19, similar to US deplorables..), from the far right (if that has any meaning these days..), and from the remnants of what I call the ‘true left’, ex. Communists (or sympathisers) in France, Worker’s Party in Switz, or in GB the ‘old’ Labor, oriented to the working class (Tony Benn, last vestiges Jeremy Corbyn, pushed out.)
Libertarians are obviouly scathing about the strictures, a more purely ideological stance, less related to pragmatics.
So, this lockdown-vaxx-hyper scare-control scenario is fundamentally neo-liberal, and the neo-libs seem to be ‘running’ the ‘developed’ West. (Btw, Jacinda Ahern is a third-wayer, a Blairite.)
Essentially what we are seeing here is the top 20% (not the top economic 20%, but those with social capital, sitting on decision nodes, in the media, holding important positions, being top professionals, or ‘stars’, etc.) supporting the scare pandemic and the attendant coercitive and unreasonable or even highly damaging (from a health pov) moves, demands, rules, — for their own interests.
These interests are those of the professional-managerial-class and their hangers on, those who are dependent on it, plus those who hope to join. People who don’t work on the ground, aren’t ‘essential workers’ (deplorables), etc. They accepted or promoted lockdowns, because the lockdowns would protect *them* (no busy transport, office, lunch), love ‘vaxxes’, because these are a badge of adherence to the narrative, not a health move, and enjoy stiffing the deplorables, which was covered up by clapping for health workers and that kind of ludicrous sh*t.
If the truck drivers in the US went on a national strike the neo-libs would change their ‘values’… slowwly. Hooww? Could this happen? They would moan. However with corrupt Unions etc. there is little chance of such a correction or re-set.
Some links of interest.
NO JAB for me. 36 langs. have a look.
WHO tracking of cov2 variants.
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/
DRASTIC research group
