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Here the death toll World, from the FT (corona articles free to read.)
Of course reporting is overall bad, deaths ‘with Cov19’ (UK), deaths not logged (other places), etc. Who knows if this chart represents reality or the picture some would like to put forward? Anyway here it is, and shows…resurgence.
On, …why has Net. allowed a palestinian uprising? …
General Sit: US – Isr. relations
— Joe B. waited a long time before calling Netanyahu!
— The US recognized the Armenian Genocide. (Contra Isr. as it claims the ultimate, crowned, victim status, others aren’t allowed. Erdogan was furious too…)
— Human Rights Watch has declared Israel an Apartheid State. Kenneth Roth did some TV interviews explaining, MSM interviewers expressed incredulity and disapproval.
— Joe B. has not yet nominated a US ambassador to Israel! The chargé d’affaires J. Shrier is doing the job.
— “Aid” to Palestinians cut by Trump has been restored. (Most goes to UNWRA, positive in the present state of affairs. The sums are pitifully small.)
— Efforts made to return to the JCPOA (Nuke deal with Iran, cancelled by Trump, negotiated by Kerry): Iran has even stated that the “US is serious” in the negotiations, surprising. While this looks like superficial ‘cancel Trump – return to Obama era’ it is definetly not totally excluded that some kind of re-arrangement transpires.
And then, for whatever reason(s) (maybe some of the above, or see post at top), a new conflagration is lit, and we see Israel directly murdering on vid. clips, with Israelis cheering in orgies of hate.
The WH spokesman, Ned Price, gave out the usual spiel about ‘Israel has the right to defend itself from vicious rockets’ (not a direct quote) but also said Palestinians have the right to security. Blinken is sending someone to talk to ‘de-escalate, tamp down the conflict’ – of course he should have gone himself.
To sum up: The signals are contradictory and it appears that no coherent policy is laid down, and various different impulses (classical Zionist neo-con, neo-lib anti-racist IDpol, alliance with KSA, and more) are clashing.
Human Rights Watch Report https://bit.ly/2SKRVUR
(Worth sending on, to those who have no clue, and those who seek some ‘legitimation.’ HRW is respected in the Anglo sphere, right?)
Roth interviewed by CNN. https://bit.ly/3tL3W9J
aid to Palestine:
I skimmed thru the WHO report on cov19 Origins (download at link 1.) I read 2 summaries, one by a virologist. Of interest as well, a long interview of Brice Perrier (a scribbler, not a doc / scientist, acceptable, imho) who has written a book about cov19 origins which I intend to read, link 3, in French.
Btw, why aren’t there a whole slew of books published about cov-19, how to resist it, save your marriage from it, feed your kiddos the proper foods, adapt to the new normal, etc. etc.…? 🙂 (Because only the vaxx affords salvation, protection, safety, love..)
N.B. the report is a joint WHO-China Study. 17 experts from WHO, and 17 Chinese experts.
N.B. Tedros has stated that more investigation is needed (link 2).
Bowlderized summary. (Many details of interest in the report, other story.)
Most Likely. A zoonotic origin. /From bat —> / to cat, rabbit, mink, other. The pangolin is not favored.
Possible. Direct transmission from bats possible! (Here the 96% identity with the RaTG13 virus that infected the miners cleaning up in the mine in 2012 and which killed 3 of them is mentioned.)
Very unlikely, or downright odd. Transmission by frozen food to China in 2019 originating in some animal reservoir (not in China.)
Extremely improbable but can’t be excluded. Escape from a a lab.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
link > WHO: https://bit.ly/3tMzN9Y
Societies on the down-and-out do tend to develop irrational (hmmm… that would take defining reason) behavior, oing for excess, crazes, turbulence, to put it mildly.
Continuing.. There is a traditional, but kinda modernist view all the same, in the devp. world, that when things go to sh*t, ‘violence’ increases – it is defined as ‘crime’ – i.e. looting, theft, person-on-person violence, mass shootings of the crazed lone gunman type, small groups (like drug runners, or aspiring Mafia types) getting into fights, shooting things out in the street, domestic violence increasing, women on the bad end, hold ups, petty theft, car hikacks, and so on, everyone knows about this, it is the deplorables driven to despair or skilfully looking for oppos to gain advantage / sadistically harm others / let their most violent selves have sway for revenge, and so on.
Right-i-o!
This restricted, blinkered (sic) pov ignores the possible excesses of those in power, who when they feel threatened are actually more easily sucked into and dominated by group-think, as they are ‘the top’, form a ‘class’ that wields more leverage, is more closely knit, communicates ‘the truth’ to its members, satellites, offshoots, adherents. And ropes all of them in…
The idea that in 2020, a primitive seeking out of scapegoats, hypocritical yet hearfelt (yes, I know..), from jeering blame > an important power (Russia 3x) at the top, accompanied with way below, crowd-triumph re. a few horrible ppl (ex. Weinstein, Chauvin..) is happening, is easy to accept. That doesn’t seem too ‘special’ .. unfortunately. (It does require thrashing the old ideas of nation states and diplomacy..)
But what of human sacrifice? (See ppl deprived of easy covid treatment.) In huge numbers? That surely is 3 steps up. What of the catharsis thru condemning to death many, many ppl, old, disabled, sick, young, handicapped? It is a bit like the burning of witches – with the blatant aggro public display part (burning) transmogrified by tech-sci-speak, false stats, and “oh we all have to BE safe.” Made official in the ‘no treatment’ possible, the ‘do not ressucitate’ orders (covered up, in Britain and Sweden), etc.
The past is not a different country..
The last parag of my failed post.
The sarscov2 virus has been around for quite some time, since July 2019 at least (various analyses from EU) … a spike of serious cases in / around Wuhan alerted the docs there (they were at first ignored, then repressed) to a ‘novel virus’.
So the ‘origins’ as in ppl falling seriously sick, first in Wuhan, leading to the speculation of the virus coming from the Wuhan lab (in any case nothing to do with the wet market) is questionable. Many labs were doing Gain of Function Research, it is whole globalised circuit, intricate, and quite secret, i.e. not openly reported on. The China vs. West narrative is kinda soothing, standard, and serves to distract, send ppl to sleep. If the virus ‘escaped’ from a lab (i.e. was deliberately created, which I consider v. likely) it could be from many places, or in a very much more complex scenario than the simple ‘created in Wuhan’ story-board.
Another link I posted in the piece that didn’g go thru.
A 2020 article about the 6 Chinese miners who fell ill, strange pneumonia, 3 died, in 2012, there is a link to the original masters thesis in it, which I posted long ago.
The ‘origins’ stretch back that far.
Lethal Pneumonia Cases in Mojiang Miners (2012) and the Mineshaft Could Provide Important Clues to the Origin of SARS-CoV-2
I tried to post a long thingie about the origins of sarscov2, but as happens often, my post doesn’t show – too many links, link shorteners, whatever.
so here is just one link,
Yuri Deigin
which is a first must read on this question.
papanca: Several days ago it was reported in Naked Capitalism that the Indian government had approved the use of Ivermectin nation-wide. (..) I haven’t been able to find another mention of this on the Internet. (..) ?
Nation-wide, idk, but see:
India’s ‘miraculous’ ivermectin COVID treatment is only $3 per person
Subsequently there was a crack down on ivermectin as one can see in the press. Which has been interpreted as one might expect, see for ex.
When India stopped prescribing Ivermectin and started vaccinating the deaths shot up
Big Pharma has been dreaming of a such a situation for a long time, and no doubt moved many chess pieces around to achieve it.
Right in the tradition of Mini Pharma, that is, traditionally, since many millenia, making a mint out of selling snake-oil remedies, for real and imaginary ills – ppl hope and pray and believe, and spend their saved, or even last pennies, on ineffective (but usually anodyne, no harm) medecines, treatments, donations, actions.
Medium Pharma in the ‘modern’ world (from say 1900 on) is another story – that takes infiltration into the medical field via ‘control’ (lobbying, corruption) of Gvmts / top authorities, despots, to set payoffs, standards, ways of doing, institutional rules; playing a big role in the organisation of Health Care, which besides ‘drugs’ / ‘medicines’ includes holding clinics, hospitals, and very important, medical equipment and machinery; laboratory analysis services; all of which generate tremendous profits. (Health insurance is left off, other issue.) Advisory and informational control (by the CDC, USA, for ex.) is a key element.
Big Pharma incorporates the scams of all the above. To their best advantage. Gvmts, such as that of Trump, or now Biden, Johnson, Macron, etc. (as ‘heads’, the structure below them corrupted and very weak) are sitting prey, as having been co-opted by large Corporations, who prefer puppets hoisted front stage to be ‘the’ targets, to taking on any public role themselves.
The easy out, the smooth excuse of ‘the vax’ to be ‘fix’ was, is, as we have seen, immediately, even frantically, adopted – in first place by USUK-isr. (Other places have high vax nos, like Bahrein, Seychelles, yes. But these 3 countries stand out.) If it all turns to sh**, Gvmts will blame poor info, lack of knowlege, “Nature” (variants, etc.), bad public behavior (non-compliance) with a straight face.
As for darker plots behind the scenes, no doubt they exist (imho) but what they are exactly is opaque, veiled, imho. (Meaning Idk what to say about it.)
One pov….
Arte:
Provence and the Black Death.
“In the Vaucluse mountains, a long dry stone wall runs the length of the landscape. This is a wall erected against an invisible enemy: the plague. In the 18th century, a massive outbreak wiped out a third of the population of Marseille, and today, the wall still stands as a monument to the many victims of that epidemic.”
Here French with eng subs. 14 mins.
https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/102870-003-A/provence-and-the-black-death/
Some Extra Links. All worth a look, imho.
*MSM* (and such articles aare becoming more frequent as far as I can tell), the Standard, UK:
More than 500 people admitted to hospital with coronavirus after getting vaccinated
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-vaccine-uk-500-admitted-hospital-b932792.html
So-called ‘opposition’ or ‘dissident’ MSM on the Intertubes, UK.
A Vaxxing Question, from Off Guardian.
“Science” …:
SARS-CoV-2-derived peptides define heterologous and COVID-19-induced T cell recognition
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf
A Cross-Country Analysis of the Determinants of Covid-19 Fatalities
CESifo Working Paper No. 902
Germ, above, re. the patient leaflet information, a legal snarl coming up in *Europe*:
Consent has to be given by individuals to get vaxxed. In France it is even required to sign a form, though that is not well respected, whatever…In any case Big Pharma is protected, has been granted a no-liability pass, so the State is responsible.. hmmm… for what exactly?
Adverse envents and their results? Suicide? Life-long handicap? -> All this will surface.
What is the legal situation when e.g. a Work-Place (Private Co. Perrier or MYNEWmachINE..) makes the vax obligatotory for ‘all workers’ ?
These are then coerced to comply with conditions that officially until now employers could not impose; that employees can only agree to as based on their individual conscience; and that cannot, in principle, affect other aspects of their lives, such as being allowed to grow a vegetable garden, use public transport, etc.
I expect that ‘sanitary’ arguments (need for vax, social dist, etc.) will override all the other legislation, which will create voids, aka major craters in Labor Laws. Hysteria about Cov19 will destroy much labor, employee protection – re. Europe. On the lines of never let a good crisis go to waste. (From an ex-Union boss.)
Adverse Effects of Cov-Vaxes, UK. (as it has at least some nos.)
The lack of tracking, the confusion, and ‘dirty’ reporting, summarizing, and media take-up is an ABSOLUTE scandal.
Attempting a rough estimate. /all dates 2021/
Lancet, April 27. Vaccine side-effects and SARS-CoV-2 infection after vaccination in users of the COVID Symptom Study app in the UK: a prospective observational study.
(…) quote:
Systemic side-effects were reported by 13·5% (38 155 of 282 103) of individuals after the first dose of BNT162b2, by 22·0% (6216 of 28 207) after the second dose of BNT162b2, and by 33·7% (116 473 of 345 280) after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Local side-effects were reported by 71·9% (150 023 of 208 767) of individuals after the first dose of BNT162b2, by 68·5% (9025 of 13 179) after the second dose of BNT162b2, and by 58·7% (104 282 of 177 655) after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Systemic side-effects were more common (1·6 times after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and 2·9 times after the first dose of BNT162b2) among individ (…)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00224-3/fulltext
That is certainly a lot of side-effects! 😉
Problem. 1) Lumping together trivial side-effects (sore arm 3 days), with more debilitating ‘non-serious’ effects, plus no classification of ‘serious effects’ (or no good summary thereof..). This is deliberate obfuscation, everybody knows that understanding moon rocks, ant colonies, male baldness, etc. – requires as a first step, a 6-category scheme as a good starting point, which of course might be somewhat ambiguous, indeterminate, etc., except for, in this case, cat. 7 which is ‘death.’ Doctors, healers, have done this since the dawn of time.. Geez…
2) Encouraged / helped along / mandatory reporting by docs should be part of the scheme, but is *never* mentioned or advocated for.
Going further is dodgy imho.
Note, stats. re. UK vax are not too bad. From Our World in Data. Vax started Jan. 3.:
At least one dose (adults): Feb 28, 30%, May 1, 50%.
That’s a lot!
Ppl (again I presume adults), May 1, fully vaxxed, 23%.
Vax doses given, May 2, 50 million
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
So, what about the adverse effects?
The data is so shoddy it is hazardous to even take a stab. (sic!) Under-reporting cannot be estimated.
One effort, from Daily Exposé.
Another, from prev. thread, posted by Ilargi.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/12-million-possible-adverse-events-after-vaccination-uk-gerry-brady/
I gave up. But I will keep on trying. Effects > adverse are usually weighed against effects > desired (not that I’m keen on such a comparison in all situations, it’s a kind of creepy neo-lib accounting), such as immunity… I guess we have to wait, and may do so for a loooong time…
Thx to Germ for vids. on previous thread. I listened to the one with the nurses – horrific.
(see also above, not read before posting this)
Dr. Jackie Stone interview, on the use of Ivermectin in Zimbabwe.
31 mins. in eng with F subtitles. Apr 2021.
Jackie Stone vid. series (eng.)
Ilargi wrote: One might have expected that as the Covid drama unfolds, the world would return to its scientific senses. But the opposite appears to be happening, we’re moving away from our senses. Fear is a bad advisor.
Fear is a bad advisor for sure, but there is more to it than that.
Establishing and using or following “Science” (in its good and generally accepted parts), ‘common sense’, ‘established practices’ (assuming these to be more or less suited to the times, appreciated, and not directly harmful as far as is known..), as well as following **the law** all takes a long time to build up. Centuries, for some components thereof.
It takes time to investigate, notice things, obtain a concensus, make practices wide-spread, set up, ‘vote in’ or decree, directives, laws, instill adherence to them, create control mechanismsthat work, etc.
Conversely, to break away, to create, or impose, extraordinary or wild exceptions, to ignore large sections of established functioning, to negate what went before with propaganda, to spread confusion and grab power, can be, and *usually* is, accomplished rapidly. In some cases as a !Surprise! in others, a slow build up that finally tips one state (condition) to another via some threshold marker.
Pharma Cos. have managed the latter, they have been trying for a long time to corrupt, aka buy and control ‘State’ and ‘Intl’ orgs that ‘hamper, corral’ them somewhat, and they have finally succeeded with Cov19. (Independently of where the virus arose, escaped, or was tossed out the window.)
The Seneca effect, or ‘crash down effect’ then takes hold, so many regs. / rules, are junked, the downslope is astonishingly steep, on many measures… a plunge down to abysmal lows, aka zero on whatever one’s treasured measure.
Then, the ripple effects -> interaction horrors set in. X rule no longer holds? Ppl need not…abc? The social contract is broken. Go for it, profit, subjugate…
Ppl don’t expect it, and after a week, a month, or two?, wake up to a changed world. X med / research rules, criteria, no longer apply; the media can lie about anything in any manner they favor and no longer pretend; Ppl can be killed in the street with impunity; looters and burglars are not arrested; Policemen wield machine guns; a pass is needed to buy bread for a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_effect (very poor wiki, just to show what the ref. was.)
I’m having a dark day. Heh.
Warning: Musings, ramble.
On Kunstler etc. The Biden s-election (stolen without any doubt) continues to puzzle me.
A decrepit establishment figure is often nominated as ‘Head’ in systems where ‘one party’ or ‘one family’, ‘one large group’ (for ex., royals) serve to show continuity, stability, ‘party’ adherence, a guarantee of the system’s continuation — > Rule by dominant committee and the top cadres. The cadres, the families, the lower rungs, will continue to be paid. See for ex. Andropov, USSR (though afaik he wasn’t senile). A more interesting example which combines tradition and pretend renewal is M. Bin Salman, a totally scripted move, doomed to fail btw.
The Biden admin shows strong signs (evident in Dem. stances for a long time) of radicalisation into ‘woke’ politics, making race, racism, and assorted IDPOL issues top of the agenda, coupled with some moves resembling the ‘European left’ (I consider the French Socialists, Keir Starmer’s Labor, US Democrats, overall the Third-Wayers, Clintonites all, traitors to a peoples, workers, egalitarian, causes..), e.g. higher taxation for the rich, investment in infrastructure (though that doesn’t amount to much imho, other story), and some green energy posturing.
The recognition of the Armenian genocide is right in the ‘victims of racism’ direction. That genocide was real, recognizing it goes against NATO Turkey and Israel, as Isr. postures as the top victim.
Along the IDPOL line I read that the Biden admin. supports trans-men competing in F sports (no idea about the details or how far that goes) and this again is in favor of anyone constructing their own ‘identity’ and all ‘victims’ have to be ‘helped.’
A stance of moral superiority is adopted. Very cultural-revolution like.
Antifa and BLM are /Dem party, donors/ supported, while Occupy Wall Street was destroyed by Obama (or by its own internal contradictions.) Meanwhile, those in charge are Gvmt-Corp-Milit-other and that isn’t about to change, though the mostly white ‘directorate’ is now supposed to be filled with self-loathing to become ‘more diverse’. (In France, several ‘Arab’ ppl were co-opted to appear front stage and on TV — total manipulation imho..)
Claiming the moral high ground often signals that other rubrics – of governance, “growth”, technological, scientific, milit. supremacy, happiness of the ppl – is out of reach, scrapped. Screeching about wrong, bad, values of opponents replaces bread (a decent life) for the people, heh, cake and all that. It signals weakness, which everyone in the world now sees.
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This interview of Maria Zakharova, she says the West is living in fantasy land, is worth a watch. She brings up Assange and hypocrisy…*Eng simult. trans.* From RT.
This link seems to give a tad more info about the “Pfizer Pill” .. from the Montreal Gazette.
Ilargi posted:
Hard to understand why not much more of this is happening globally.
…. Germany’s New Lockdown Law Sparks Constitutional Court Complaints (RT)
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In Switz. in June we will vote to curb / remove some / most of the ‘emergency powers’ of the Federal Council re. Covid. I can’t go into details of the legal text as I haven’t analysed it. For now, I expect it won’t pass. (one link in eng. below)
However the power of initiative > to a referendum has helped in these Rona Times. Ex.
The authorities in Geneva refused to pay compensation and bail-outs to illegal workers, those who are totally undocumented. (Many levels exist, from diluted black, to grey, to transparent, invisible, etc.) Organising all this took time, and the vote took place in March 2021 (it took at least 5 months to realise what was happening, plus the process to docket the thing is cumbersome): 70% or more voted to award the compensation, and it is quite considerable.
So, locally, small victories do help the mood – it has been quite joyful around here with terraces, sportsfields, etc. opening up, the result of this vote, ‘solidarity’ – small triumphs wonderful. The larger scope is… another matter, a different discussion.. 🙁
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/critics-force-vote-to-rein-in-the-government-s-covid-policy/46471484
Be local before going global, was that the leitmotif, the pop slogan? Of course CH is a postage stamp country with no global influence or clout. It likes to parade as a ppl’s democracy, as a moral calling card, which rests on some correct info, see vote above, what the lesson is, nobody knows, even if there is one.
One thing the internet furnishes is ppl’s experience around the world, that is one of the reasons for participating (me), posting, for ex. John Day’s post above, others, yes…thx to all.
Re. the no. of hospital beds in various countries, these depend for a part on the feasability and investment in Home Care.
Home care is medically “acceptable’” for those cases where the conditions are judged great – good – acceptable – which will vary with geography, culture, habit, the type of insult / pathology / medical event / operation, how things are organised, in function of what aims, 5-year plans, etc.
Hospital beds are very expensive and when unoccupied “eat up” resources, like staff, servicing, sophisticated equipment, the building (water, heat, chill, clean, etc.)
Some / many patients are already paying (they, their families) for a resting place at home. Home care is also recommended as being more friendly, less stressful for the patient, surely the case for many, NOT all.
Nosocomial infections are also often mentioned, many patients are safer at home. 🙂 🙂
France has invested hugely in home care, adjusting the doc /nurse /cleaner /psych /social worker visits etc. (They have to move around, by car, sometimes by motorbike / moped .. etc. the logistics can be horrendous..) Not to argue that F has enough hospital beds, imho it doesn’t, other story.
Is the policy adequate or optimal (or xxx?) in the particular setting? Very hard to judge, as this isn’t one shoe-size fits all.
A last factor in play. The planning and prep for sudden ‘illness, disaster’ surges, e.g. pandemic, earthquake, floods, war.
The speedy set-up of field hospitals, re-groupings of patients, etc. Switz. for ex mobilised 8K military (docs, sanitary, builders and movers, etc.) for Covid-19 with another 8K ready to go for field hospitals, transport, etc. (They were not needed, sent home.)
No regular hospital beds need be occupied in such disaster events, when patients are treated outside of the hospital. (see China for ex.)
A last consideration is the authority of the Gvmt. to effect the take-over of private med. facilities, e.g. to requisition a private clinic and occupy it, use it, based on previous agreements / emergency powers, and how well that works out. If the staff accepts, and is paid, it usually works OK.
madamski, pottery, absolutely, I love pottery! Ha Ha 🙂 phoenix voice, I keep glass containers too, Roboto, yes, but of course the recycling of glass will continue, it provides jobs for hundreds of ppl (where I live.)
Topcat gives a great example above, yes.. What happens to the glass actually varies a lot from place to place, there are opaque financial circuits. As in all treatment of ‘garbage’ (often in Europe,run by the Mafia), as a 13-year-old explained to me, “Garbage is dirty and people don’t want to talk about it.”
I didn’t see this posted, if it was, apologies – so once more…:
Database of all HCQ COVID-19 studies. 285 studies, 213 peer reviewed, 236 comparing treatment and control groups.
(other info > other meds / preventatives at site)
Part II. Before Glass, I wanted to get to:
Some “Green” Pol parties are not ‘Green’ and are using the label as a masquerade for a certain brand of US-supporting Foreign Policy. *Most likely* linked to Biden’s illusory ‘green’ agenda, a propaganda effort, a signal.
Politico (23.04) for ex:
A recent feature in the New York Times celebrated the Greens as a “pragmatic party promising an assertive stance abroad,” committed to “Germany’s membership in NATO and its strong alliance with the United States.” Another analyst argues that a coalition of Greens and the conservative Christian Democrats “could finally create a coherent defense policy.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/german-greens-reality-check/
> The German “Greens” support humanitarian rights .. are against authoritarian powers, i.e. China, Russia….
from the DW website:
In broad strokes, the Green Party has a voter base of urban, well-educated, high-income earners. It abandoned its strict pacifist stance when it was junior coalition partner in an SPD-led government: In 1999, Green Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer got the party to back Germany’s participation in the NATO bombing of Kosovo. The Greens pushed through a nuclear power phase-out and enacted laws easing immigration and same-sex civil partnerships.
….The Greens oppose the gas pipeline project, which critics say will weaken Europe and Germany’s energy security.
https://www.dw.com/en/green-party/t-17365878
They oppose Nord Stream 2, without one word about how German industry (not to mention freezing pensioners) are to make up the ‘loss’ or ‘pay extra’ (as it is usually viewed) to buy US NLG, which in any case, no matter the price, can’t happen, there isn’t the infrastructure.
On previous: Save Earth Get Rich.
Yes, all this fantasy of converting to ‘renewables’ and so on is just to befuddle ppl and keep them going along / to make money, green washing as jsutification, advertising for ‘new’ biz which has to be subsidised, forced, propagandised, other… / to look caring / to keep other endeavours, industries, like personal cars, chugging (sic) along… It is all BS, though some true believers no doubt exist.
One of my favorite low- / small- scale examples is glass recycling.
Glass was invented and made to be durable and washable, i.e. to last for centuries, specially if protected from shocks by a surround of rush or other (e.g. classical Chianti bottle.) A wonderful material. The glass biz. has exploded (West), so as to make citizens feel good and participate in “saving their environment” they now bring their glass to a recycling point. A long-serving container is deliberately smashed after just one use (jam jar, wine bottle, etc.) and has to be deposited, lifted, trucked to a special plant, where it is sorted (other materials), treated in multiple ways, then melted down, which requires 1400-1600°C (nat gas, coal..), to then be …Argh words fail me.
Showing the complexity of glass bottle manufacturing. Think of the energy used!
4 mins. https://bit.ly/3dOZMch
One ex. that takes for granted the fact that as much glass as possible MUST be recycled.
How better glass recycling was needed in Kansas and how this was super!!
Deffenbaugh Industries is the exclusive hauler of Ripple Glass in the Kansas City area. We are proud to the large purple roll off containers as well as operate multiple bar and restaurant routes to make sure as much glass as possible gets recycled. Take a tour of the Ripple Glass plant with us to see what happens to your glass.
4 mins. https://bit.ly/3dN88Rt
Totally nuts… part II to follow.
madamski, yes… the Clintons and class, Billy Boy was a Rhodes scholar ! after all, I didn’t think of that. Yeah, for the rest, something like that.
Ha ha ha I met that pair once, by accident, in a restaurant in Geneva. They were eating in a popular but not unchic eatery, with 2 other ppl, and I entered with a friend, male, ex-cellent casual dress, British, with several drinks on board – he was playing the genial loud-spoken ex-lord of ‘some imaginary’ Manor.
He spotted the Clintoons and swerved right over, being effusive. (I was amused and hiding behind the friend’s bulk.) Bill was quite pleased and genial and even off-handedly suggested a co-arrangement of tables (we had not been seated yet, and in this restaurant that was perfectly possible) but Hill killed off that idea pronto. Then my friend cheerfully shouted Remember Suez and we pushed off to some table-for-2 at the back. Too funny. Then I met Bill another time.
An avatar Prez…ha ha. Some explanation must be found …
Rototillerman, yeah, most corrupted, I can get that, and easy to control as well. But the damage to image is SO high…from far off it looks like a Golf Club Association, running 3 golf clubs, elected a Prez. who was a relative of the founders, who did do good work for the club, who deserves to be rewarded, and get some free dinners and enthusiastic clapping, flowers for the wife, while all the members know he will sign anything, the enterprise is run by a committee and the Prez (this Prez at any rate) is of no account.
madamski posted, prev. thread:
I DON’T think Obama is running Biden. I suspect that, if anything, Biden was, instead, one of Obama’s many handlers back then. Just an earpiece, certainly no persuader: Obama probably despised him.
Yess, hmm, here some comments from far away.
Obama was set up to win, Joe B. was foisted on him as VP, as representing the Old Guard, the Establishment, the Institution (Dem ‘Core.’) The idea that Obama could choose some outsider as VP was anathema, not even considered. Plus, he was saddled with the hugely unpopular Killary as Sec. of State. (That didn’t work out and Kerry, more conciliatory all round, stepped in to replace.)
Obama loathed Biden imho, to me it seemed to show each time he mentioned him etc. Killary and the Clintons were a bit less objectionable to him, who knows why.
Obama was a kind of sales-rep, a ‘diversity’ front man. Before he was elected (and he collaborated with Kerry a lot at that time, iirc) he reminded me of the 90s Benetton Ads, which exploited ‘diversity’ as a sales gimmick.
Obama natch is not ‘black’ in the sense of being African-American descended from ’slaves’ or indentured labor, he is a middle-class white person who just happened to have a dark skinned foreign father who passed by there. Obama himself exploited that fact by declaring himself to be “Kenyan” , i.e. not Afro-American. To be elected he had to marry a ‘black’ woman (to get 90% of the Black vote) which he dutifully / cynically did.
As the one-trick publicity poney of the smiley-face diversity candidate ended, due to endless wars, relentless impoverishment of ‘ordinary’ US citizens and hugely growing inequality, infrastructure decay, no improvement on the health-care front, as usual, and more (Obama proved to be first of all, a Bankster’s Man / Deputy – not surprising really, go where the money is.. and the financial crisis lead to a Bank-bail-out…) the electorate turned to a nationalist, some might call it populist, Jacksonian president, Trump.
Then thru digital skull-duggery the election was stolen and power was re-grabbed by the Dem Kabal. Apparently there was no-one better than a senile remnant of the decrepit old guard to be enthroned. With a side-kick who is basically a nobody or if known, scorned, derided.
That was quite a suprise, how Joe B is being run I would like to know. Really. I can’t figure it out.
One thing is certain: All over the world, certainly, EU, Russia, this continent, the US has been downgraded in public perception as Joe B. is obviously unfit and nasty / ridiculous, his VP is a joke, how come somebody else wasn’t chosen? The French for ex. love and admire Obama to this day. They were always admiring of ‘blacks’ in the US, jazz and all that, which gave the F +++ points for being non-discriminatory, non-racist so to speak (heh, outside of their turf..Arabs another story…)
ex. of benetton ads:
https://miro.medium.com/max/4800/0*kY5ZLVOWtEppSvnD.jpg
https://cms.forward-festival.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/oliviero-toscani-benetton-03-min.jpg
This link from *Activist Post* presents a short summary of why medical research is not trustworthy. (Or interesting, I would add.)
Most Scientific Research of Western Medicine Untrustable & Fraudulent, Say Insiders and Experts. Aug. 2015.
… + natch’ known well before 2015.
No Gvmts, Gvmt. Agencies devoted to well-being, no Med. – Dr. – Researcher, Uni, Groupings, no Patients Associations, no ‘Left’ Political Party, no Defend the Children ‘non-profits’, have denounced this state of affairs, or only so symbolically in a v. weak way with no impact or success – as they surely anticipated beforehand.
The academics, high up Docs, Pols, Gvmt. functionaries, top qualified advisors in respected bodies, who are, were, alarmed and/or disgusted either quit, or made… lateral moves — to another function, job, biz, speciality, hospital, etc. This allows them to save their honor – the previous place, cabal, direction, board, etc. was ‘corrupt’ but now “I” am in a more worthy and genuine postion, team, profession, etc. they say. Hopefully.
Most lowly personnel don’t have the oppo to move about, so they are forced to obey, hunker down, adopting a low profile: “Those are the orders, that is what I have to carry out” and they feel, rightly so, very bitter.
Nils Melzer deserves to be quoted again and again, that is, his confession that he accepted Assange was a bad person (even if revealing US crimes was perhaps not an awful thing to do), that he had been accused of rape, possiby had raped, was something like what we call today a ‘predator’ – but that when he looked into it he saw it was mixture of lies, nonsense, media hype, and // possibly fudging / dishonesty from Swedish authorities, that last is just me, not putting words into Melzer’s mouth.
One problem is that Melzer was mandated to do so, was in a professional position to accomplish that, had the time. He did an OK job – looking I’m sure at transcripts from Police interviews, e-mails from the accuser, etc. – all of which were readily available at the time on the internet. Ppl little concerned with all this don’t even remember that Assange was a Star of the New Journalism, being lionised in MSM newspapers like the Guardian, etc. Until higher authorities cracked down.
To ‘my parent said know’, previous thread, that vid of Dr. D. Frank on the stolen US Prez. election was v. interesting.
I was amazed to hear that someone actually went and checked on voters.. and found ‘phantom’ ones.
I was suspicious of the election of Boris J. as PM of GB. Sure, many Labour voters might have turned their coats and voted Bojo -> just not *that* many! (imho.)
If the GB PM election was rigged, as far as I can figure out, which ain’t far, it was done thru the postal vote (recall the endless hype about a surge in postal votes pre-election) and would not be known, recognised, or even suspected as having been ‘faked’, altered, in some way, outside of the v. restricted group doing it. BoJo himself, the Labourites, etc. would all believe the result, having had no part in the manipulations, rigging, being sure the count was correct…
Those who had access to all the d-bases and the templates of the voting forms could have “cast votes” for those who didn’t vote, sending in the votes from the proper district at the last minute. (They could also create voters..) My thought was that in a small district with the oficial, known, result-nos. to hand, it would have been possible to do a quick, cheap survey on the ground and show that the official result could not be correct.
Heh.
Turn-out might also give some interesting clues, but I never got far with those nos.
original link posted by mpsk: https://bit.ly/3tvh7wd
Ilargi: Can’t get over that crazy story of the same guys and fake passports being used in 2014, and then again in the 2018 Skripal case. How stupid does MI6 think we all are?
yeah that is so weak.
Boshirov and Petrov – feel sorry for those guys. Imagine becoming the bogey men targetted by anti-Russian bodies, because they went to Salisbury at the same time as the Skripal “Novichok” scandal took place. Imho these guys combined tourism and ‘foreign visits’ with some contacts in their biz, which they don’t like to talk about. (Other scenarios are poss.)
Their 25 min. interview with the RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan. eng subs. They are hyper nervous, desperate even.
https://www.rt.com/news/438356-rt-petrov-boshirov-full-interview/
This interview took place because Putin declared previously, I hope these guys go public (no link), signalling that they risked nothing, > would be, protected. Putin also hinted they were gay and of little account (again, no link.)
Imho, they followed that advice…going public better than hiding if Putin says so!
Their biz is something to do with dietary supplements, fitness, afaik. They travelled regularly to Switzerland, maybe exagerated. Ex.:
See, fitness industry, from link above:
According to Petrov and Boshirov, they traveled to Europe to do business from time to time to examine the market and “see if there is something new – some biologically active additives, amino acids, vitamins, microelements.” ..
They had nothing whatsoever to do with the Skripal story, imho. They were just trotted out by the MSM months after the Skripal events, to fire up the public, here are some Russian suspects, whooo.
A post by IM Doc on Naked Capitalism, titled:
The CDC’s VAERS and Vaccine Complications: The System is Broken.
recounting his personal experience.
The CDC’s VAERS and Vaccine Complications: The System is Broken
All the points made are pertinent, and as Ilargi says, require answers. Not keen on the form of it – it is somehow too bullet-pointed, and one-sided. Not clear to me if he is doing his personal rant, I me, me, my list, or is actually trying to convince others. Polarisation won’t help anybody no matter what the ‘cause’… Anyways, good summary, hat tip.
(Personally I – me, me, Noirette, ha ha 🙂 ! would have left off mutations, this is too complicated, and probably not correct; would have left off Geert oftheWoods – citing more Science and Figures of Authority is no use at all, ppl don’t know these characters and so don’t trust them…
Adding: famous and Gvmt. ppl going on TV to promote the vax is unheard of and very disconcerting – med. oversight / community is being by-passed, but then … in the US one sees ads for drugs on TV! Anyways, getting vaxxed or not in the US is turning into a tribal-cultural issue. Big Pharma competition has spawned a similar country-competition world-wide, see the US discouraging Brazil from using / allowing the Russian Sputnik vaccine.
Polder Dweller asked: What is going on here? Is it profit motive, pure and simple, and hang the consequences, or is there something more Malthusian at hand? What happens if even 1% of those vaccinated end up with serious medical problems or dying? What happens if it’s many more?
A vital qu.! The profit motive plays a role for sure, Big Pharma has tried many tricks before, their shareholders are greedy and expectant, the CEOs want to surpass tech billionaires, etc.
New this time round is the BigPharma Grip on Gvmts (Gvmts. have been weakened over the last 20 years, Westphalian States are going out of fash’, Biden is a puppet, Macron tries to keep up but is obviously brought to order..), and on the MSM (USuk-isr, EU) who are ruling the roost by controlling the “narrative” and the information allowed, and pushing incredibly hard in one direction only, in favor of BigPharma.
MSM’s gain is not directly financial (maybe for some parties thru complex Corp melds) but rests on the power to control, manipulate, influence, decide. Indispensible Intermediaries.
To be the Masters … To decide who is worthy, who is not, who can be enslaved, or not, who is to die, or not. All these aspects mix up in a toxic stew of hubris, irrationality, individual advancement, glory, etc.
madamski, April 17, 2021: While I think the attempt to disrupt NordStream is serious, I believe the rest is just distracting nonsense, albeit with the strategic benefit of finding just how far Putin can be pushed these days.
They know now. They can back off and pretend to have made a point while the dismantling of the covid machinery continues. This also is a losing proposition they’re trying to back off of without appearing totally incapable. This is proving difficult, but they have Joe to throw to the wolves (…)
But they’ve stacked the timber atop the kindling atop the tinder. It only wants a match, and there are rogues who might light that bonfire just to see it burn. (…)
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Zelensky is in a desperate position. Economic, political. His approval rating has plummeted from close to 80% or so – I guess hope springs eternal – to 30% – which merely shows some have sympathy for the poor fellow, sanitary (Covid has hit very hard) + other.
The frozen conflict (DNPR – Kiev) was slowly thawed and revived after Biden took office. Ze was elected as a centrist, un rassembleur as the French would say, and a Peace prez., but he has been unable to effect any changes whatsoever.
The neo-libs-cum-Western-groupies are allied tight with the Banderistas against Russia, they are very powerful, holding the cards both of foreign approval, support, funding, and that of violence on the streets. The oligarchs, generally favouring no disturbance, conflict, seem to play less and less of a role. Hmm ? Not sure.
So Ze was in a place where he has to do something. (In the few still photos of him in recent days I saw he appears absolutely terrified.) So he followed malgré lui the laid-down scenario, *Russia Russia Russia* and we beg you, keep up your support.
With NS2 18% or so of the Ukr. state budget will be lost, and no doubt then more to follow…as impoverishment is a spiral down. So both the Biden admin and Ukr. anti-Russia strands and most likely many Ukrainians would like to scotch NS2. It is very late in the day (it is almost completed), a bit like closing the proverbial barn doors. (It can of course be cancelled or sabotaged later.)
Russia’s troop massing, increased presence in the Black Sea, are a deterrent that will most likely succeed. The message is: don’t mess with this. And so the W powers will back down, and Ze will be left with the internal problems, which will no doubt blow up again, but not for some months.
Meanwhile the old litany, Ukr. must join NATO, etc. etc. Help us! is clarioned, which the West will not do, they care not a fig for Ukr. or Ukranians, e.g. the EU, after Yanukovitch refused the prelim. Ukr.-EU agreement and turned to Russia, or a-hem, tried to, they pivoted against him. Ukr.’s only useful function is to Poke the Bear under the orders of the US.
Words like those of Macron (see above) are empty, though he ran on a “better relations with Russia” ticket to be elected, he was low-key and muted as compared to his real rival, Francois Fillon (Catholic.)
Putin would have met with Biden if it wasn’t for the extra sanctions.
As it is, the Russians are totally fed up. Some top brass, as well as the base, are increasingly against Putin’s lack of riposte, or show of firm determination and strong aggro moves, they have HAD it. One major step towards the “Game Over – Now a New Game Begins.”
War Drums tak tak tak then halt boom soft … tone down…
Biden assures Ukraine of the US’ unquestioned support for Ukr.’s territorial integrity (meaning to the-take Crimea and DLPR), following Zelensky’s 24 March near declaration of war, and the massing of troops, Russian, Ukrainian, on the two sides of the contact line.
Biden calls Putin, 13 April, and proposes to ease tensions, discuss all kinds of issues, problems, hopin’ to create “a stable relationship” – say, to meet personally at a summit (subsequently announced to be held in Vienna in July.) The two US warships, prev. ordered to enter the Balck Sea, change tack and scoot back.
Then Biden announces new sanctions on Russia! (They don’t seem to be terribly impactful.) Putin closes the Kerch Straits to warships for 6 months.
On the face of it, within the usual proceedings and confines of diplomatic relations, this makes absolutely no sense. It looks like Biden is parroting stuff that he is ordered to do, and that different factions push him to and fro and backwards.
Not so (excepting Joe’s mindless stumbling reading-aloud from the teleprompter.)
First, we can think of Corp. Prez. who has lowly minions working on competition moves (lowering x prices, opening up a new franchise, etc.), and a high-level mandate to negotiate, with the two being considered separate strategic arms.
…. A better image might be an old-school Headmaster who punishes a recalcitrant pupil – as Those are the Rules and We Must Follow Them – and who simultaneously proposes a grand meeting between the pupil, his parents, the savvy psych., the mediator, himself and his trusted deputy, to “sort it all out once and for all.” (This imagined scene is set in Great Britain.)
This fits very precisely with the hallucinating China-US summit in Anchorage, 21 March, where, as I pointed out, the first image of the vid illustrates a dire, in your face, insult to the Chinese – the locale looking like a shoddy job done by a careless boy-scout team, set up in a cellar.
Then, Blinken blasts off by insulting China and bringing up human rights abuses (err, only the supposed Chinese ones.)
Exactly the same approach as Biden, above. Assuming an authority, a dominant position, that the US does not hold, and is proscribed in Int’l relations if one wants to negotiate.
Recall: the Gorby – Reagan ‘friendship’ — Bush Junior seeing Putin’s soul — Trump’s attempt to ‘ally’ at least somewhat with Russia to prevent further soldering of a China-Russia alliance — …
VAX. Big Pharma’s hopes are partially realised, yet fall short. The vax. campaigns aren’t performing super well.
Off the cuff, as of course we plebs don’t know the projected or hoped-for gains and how to judge performance, in financial terms only. (There aren’t any others imho.)
Even selling to 15% or 20% of world pop, paid by Gvmts. with a guarantee of no liability, is a fantastic feat!
Nos. are from Our World in Data, % of ppl who have had at least one vax dose – an OK stat, as that the first-dosers will mostly all get dose-two. To April 10 or latest info.
Gibraltar, 100%. To mention the top.
V. small territories (Vatican, Monaco, San Marino, etc. > outliers) should be left off as potential outliers. The Rock is included because reported 100% vax – it has had 94 Cov-19 deaths overall to date (Worldometer) so comparing it with any other territory is foolhardy. Note that Gib. has a high pop density and is high ppl movement place, and experienced several deaths after the vax.
Israel 60% (deal with Pfizer for their data – though recently Isr. didn’t pay and deliveries were halted, link.)
UK 48% or so
USA 35%
USUKisr – partners in corp power, ppl control, war (see e.g. Iraq war..)
Also:
Chile 38%
UAE 35%
Bhutan 35%
Bahrein 33%
Hungary 29%
Serbia 25%— that is more or less it for the ‘middle’ crowd (provided one trusts these numbers..)
Between 13 – 19%, low! For a massive prophylactic exercise in rich countries:
European countries, minus UK, EU average = 15%. Turkey Morroco Canada Singapore.
All others below. Ex.:
Argentina 10%, Mexico 7%, India 6%, Russia 6%, Indonesia 3.6%, Palestine 2.5% (see contrast with Israel..), New Zealand 1%, Japan less than 1%.
How is it that use of a vaccine can be “paused”, and then perhaps taken up again, following new directives, such as, only for ppl aged over 55? Crazy times.
Mister Roboto posted: Maybe I’m just kidding myself, but part of me wants to believe that if something like Covid would have happened thirty years ago, we would have treated it with something that works and works well and is as potentially cheap and plentiful…
Yes, absolutely, that would have been the case, imho. Corporate Power prevailing is what we see…
link is to Our World in Data. https://bit.ly/3mNrgBZ
Epic rant from Dr. D. One for the books! Money buys science, for sure, today.
Personally, I see compartementalization, which Dr. D mentions, as a major factor.
When ppl, say docs, are put in different boxes (specialities, jobs, status, regions, etc.) they, as all humans are tribal animals, stick by their ‘thing’ (knowledge, skills, position) and refrain from dissing or attacking others in other boxes – this holds over all ‘modern democracies’ and different professions – one has to accept what “other specialists” say, “are doing” etc. Which leads to just blanking things out (in the mind.)
Just as lawyers won’t attack judges nor legal clerks nor most often, the Police. The directors of High Schools don’t hurl abuse at their teachers (except for scapegoats, miscreants, rebels, from time to time) nor critisise those who write the programs – Gvmt. ppl – and do pretty much accept those who write the ‘texts’ and make money from that. Atomization (specialisation, technocracy, of Society provides a big explanatory clout.. Meaning the all-rounder who likes to see things from the outside but works at improvement on the inside is not welcome today.
But.. Dr. D’s rant is based on the idea that money, power, and competition are the driving force in human life – interaction and history. That of course isn’t so, the impulse to belong, to do good, to be creative, to make others happy, to be happy oneself, in some kind of ‘group’, be it family in a small village, or entire large countries, is an important part. (Can those impulses be subverted? For sure.) So, it is all more complicated. And it isn’t just a ‘fight’ or ‘stand-off’ between the Virtuous and the Evil.
Ok this thread is dead I won’t rattle on, maybe I’ll take this up later.
Extra comments on Ukr. population.
There is a surplus of males to age 38, a sign of high abortion and high infanticide (not that any solid nos. are available, not blaming anyone..)
Peak pop. for males in UKR is age 34 => 395K (similar to ‘peak’ women aged 36 and 60); these men were born right before the Fall of the Berlin Wall, the first public neon sign of the dissolution of the USSR.
Subsequently, a consequent no. men have moved out of Ukr. to work — absconded (who know where) — have died because milit. conscription, criminal activity, diseases untreated (AIDS for ex.) or not registered for x y z reasons.
Too sad.
Ukraine.
Orlov has written a piece (link) detailing that Putin’s suprise (as I wrote before, Putin may surprise us..) in the matter of the Donbass (or DLPR, though strictly speaking the two terms are not equivalent.) ! = > Simply evacuating the people there, and settling them in Russia.
My thoughts had not gone that far, I did figure that maybe about a million or two or more? ppl would hot-foot it out of the DLPR in case of a serious kinetic war. (Since 2014, 600K DLPR ppl have become Russian – probably an underestimate, e.g. children not registered..and others were dual citizens to begin with…)
About a million ppl have left Ukr. >> Russia since 2014 (and most of these are from the East, if not all, the overlap is hard to figure and Orlov doesn’t dig into the nos.) also probably an underestimate?
Ukr’s official pop numbers are questionable (nothing special about that), but imho checking world bank, econom. stats, etc. as well as estimates – it *must* be more who left. They become illegals, grey workers, or married (become legal) in many places, and even in Russia.
Orlov has the pop. of DLPR at about 3.5 M, Russia can absorb them. (Naturally, some no. would not join, would move to W. Ukr. or elsewhere, or stay put to die, so subtract.) Orlov’s idea is very seductive.
Before I read this piece I was thinking about the absolutely catastrophic population stats of Ukr. – that with such nos. in any case it cannot survive in any form, not even by breaking up into parts. –> As massive immigration is NOT on the cards.
One ex. (from wiki data, all numbers are rough, we are talking major trends here, details be damned) in pyramid of ages, two peaks for women living in Ukr at present:
women aged 36: 385K (born just before ‘independence’)
women aged 60: 380K (born in ‘boom’ USSR period)
girls aged one (i.e. after first birthday, survived): 180K
Such demographics spell the death of a .. Nation? Territory? that Never Was.
image from wiki:
phoenix voice: Long Covid in Switz. (See Doc Robinson +++ above for studies.)
One study showed ‘symptoms’ after 6 months for 26% of patients.
I.e. 1/4 of those who came under Doc attention, were quite ill / were hospitalised + had a positive test, still experienced some *symptoms* 6 months later. Mostly tiredness, cough, breathing problems, with women far more affected than men (31% vs. 21%.) How serious these were is hard to tell. My personal take is that a few are terribly affected and may never recover, while others are sort of .. not too serious and/or will improve w. time.
Long Covid is an acknowledged problem here and various initiatives are ongoing to deal with it. (see link 2 that offers explanations, links, tells who to call, consult..The problem here is that there is no “COVID SPECIAL” task force and ppl are sent to Cardiology, other, etc.)
One topic that is being discussed (not in the MSM) is how to certify ppl for Covid disability – similar, perhaps, to HIV disability, or .. tuberculosis in the past..? The disbursements can *in principle* only be awarded when no ‘cure’ or ‘re-adaption’ or ‘re-insertion’ is possible. About Covid, nobody knows how that will go.
No children under 16s, have been affected in the official stats, and Long Covid hits all ages over 25 in a patchy panorama. Certainly not only older ppl.
links in F.
Ukraine. The so-called civil war in Ukraine is a frozen conflict.
Does Kiev want the DLPR back? As in, pay pensions to all the old ladies, repair the ‘infrastructure’ and put up with endless guerrilla warfare? .. No.
No doubt, some factions would like to grab the territory and would gleefully genocide everyone living there. Can that happen? .. No. Because…Russia.
Is there significant support in the DLPR for reintegrating Ukraine? .. No.
Is Moscow interested in taking over Novorussya (with borders to be specified..)? .. No.
We know this because it hasn’t done it – not when the Iron was Hot and the DLPR actually requested it, or was seriously considering it, nor much later (e.g. the Trump presidency presented opportunities.) It would be expensive; it would be condemned world-wide, if lauded internally; it would remove a ‘buffer zone’; if we consider Crimea a special case and set it aside, it would set Russia on an expansionist policy, which it does NOT want to pursue. (Extra territory is not needed, and does not help / solve any of Russia’s difficulties.)
A last reason, that support for switching countries or to become independent (to be brief) has to be very high, close on 90% (imho, perhaps in some cases 85%..) and I believe the Putin thinks this as well. OK for Crimea, but not in the Donbass, where the Unity of Ukraine rightly so, still holds some weight. (Scotland and Catalonia, take note..)
What about the by-standers? Germany and France have no interest in any kind of hot war in the region. Germany particularly -> Nord Stream 2 and other links to Russia.
“Cookies” V. Nuland put it in a nutshell when she said EFF the EU -> “Our man Yats” and Poroshenko the Chocolate King will do the job.
Merkel tried for more influence (cheap labor, lebensraum for German industry, corps, agri, what all) and wanted a position for Yulia of the Braids (Timoshenko, who was freed because of Angie’s request) and the champion boxer Klitchko as Prez, she was totally enamored of him. Klitchko became Mayor of Kiev.
Hollande was little interested (perhaps anticipating the no gains), as he was totally involved with Mali, Irak, Syria, and the Arab World, he always looked spaced out at those Minsk / Normandy meetings.
The US will not start a kinetic war with Russia over what it considers a tin-pot place merely useful for some elites to steal money (ex. H. Biden) and Poking the Bear via captured proxies.
China wants stability only, to invest in Ukraine. Ex. Bought up SICH motors, 2019:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/84461-regulators-probe-sale-of-ukraines-motor-sich-to-china
Apparently it didn’t work out, 2021:
https://www.aerotime.aero/27449-ukraine-to-nationalize-motor-sich-china-threatens-to-sue
Ex. included to show Ukraine is like a football field. Pay the rent to the US.. and have your game…or not.
