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  • in reply to: Emergency vs Humanity #70476
    Noirette
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    test test my posts no show

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 8 2021 #69446
    Noirette
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    Polder dweller on prev. thread:

    A general question for those of us who live in Europe is why there’s no promotion of alternatives to vaccines at all? If I even mention this kind of thing to friends and colleagues then they roll their eyes, call me a “wappie” (a Dutch colloquial term for a conspiracy theorist) and the conversation is shut down.

    The so-called rich Western countries (EU, USA..) have suffered big time from COV-19.

    Demographic reasons: 1) Far more older ppl, e.g. over 80, vulnerable / many with underlying conditions, 2) More obese ppl, 3) Societal, more consumption, more moving around, more crowds, more ‘lotsa contacts’ as in partying in discos, etc. A short list, one could go on.

    What also counts is Health Authorities (Ministers, Advisors, > their directives, etc.) who are incompetent and arrogant with it.

    Ex. Macron and his ex-Health Minister Buzyn, Boris Johnson and Neil Ferguson. These ‘leaders’, plus their previous incarnations, have been running ‘Austerity’ on health services since the nineties if not before. They themselves know they can pay for their own health care, and ‘smart technology’ and ‘just in time’ and ‘wonderful new scientific advances’ will be ‘innovative’ and … will do the job. What the job is remains unspecified.

    The Gov. top dogs, EU, are in lien with Big Pharma, and even subservient to it. Because they are lackeys to Mega Corps, in a general way, and Pharma is of course a fantastic money maker, it occupies a no. 1 spot on the Podium. (Many will pay their last cent and go into enormous debt to save a loved one.)

    The links between Pharma Cos, health personnel – Docs, Hospitals, makers of equipment, etc. – Lobbyists who are well paid – the Parasites on the system (Insurance Cos. for ex.) and elected representatives (corrupted), plus Organisations like GAVI, the Wellcome Trust, the Gates Foundation, are very consequent, robust, and together they steer what happens.

    The MSM, the easily accessible media, supports the powerful, and of course prioritize fear, anxiety, as that awards them profits (views, clicks, ads, donations, etc.) They serve, and align with, the ppl behind the scenes who are directing, if confusedly.

    The top dogs in “W” countries, hard-hit, and facing unwelcome difficulties (finances, disruptions, loss of income, trade, energy questions, etc.), put their efforts behind vaccines, which would “solve” all in one stroke, while also feeding their 5-star club-member, Big Pharma. Deaths of old people and others are not a consideration.

    The handmaiden MSM supports all this 100% and will not give any space to any alternative voices, while ridiculing and mocking anybody for what they imagine or claim to be total loopy BS.

    Danish citizens who watch TV can only dismiss any questions or objections to the MSM mantras as coming from ‘conspiracy theorists,’ crazy people.

    Propaganda is astonishingly effective.

    in reply to: Treat Your Own COVID #69435
    Noirette
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    John Day, thank you so much. I will pass this on to those who may be interested or likely to read and absorb without rejecting out of hand. You may be saving a life here or there around the world, green dots scattered on a map and you will never know, …so it goes.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 6 2021 #69384
    Noirette
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    Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments.

    from top post. https://bit.ly/3jspHb0

    Yes… though Gvmts. is a bit of a stretch. This proposal or action(s) is just a few more small but significant steps towards a neo-feudal landscape.

    Where Industrial Kings and Big Biz Boards create enclaves aka fiefs, where they reign as KorpoKings (maybe not the best moniker, have to think..) who regulate everything, including rating of ppl, the housing / jobs / pay / privileges they can hope for, etc.

    All dressed up in faux-modernity discourse about competition, innovation, loyalty to ‘right’ values, aspirations, best lives to live, and so on. Probably many ppl see this as ‘cool’, as they might escape stupid rules about lawns and some taxes they don’t agree with, ignoring the wider legal, territorial, aspects. Clinging to some tribe, group, top boss, cult-like figure, etc.

    USA State and Federal Legislation (not much use.. recently.. to ordinary ppl) will no longer apply in these -for the moment- tiny areas. —> Or only so when the locals fociferously demand it and a kind impasse has been reached?.. to be seen..

    Next, other small areas will pop up here and there, and flourish.

    The mantra will be competition and better lives, and being with your people, like-minded people, while sub rosa all the Big Corps will collaborate to enslave all employees and low-lifes, and a ‘blanket’ power will be given to Regulatory Oversight (corp controlled.) With locals ultimately, completely powerless.

    This bleak vision is hopefully rather fanciful, not realistic, easily debunked.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2021 #69379
    Noirette
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    Yes bill that is different, for sure. Also, Bad colds, flu, tuberculosis, and more did not provoke that kind of strict response at the time. Only the Plague… far more deathly than anything else..

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2021 #69351
    Noirette
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    Several links / posts seem to imply that this has never happened before re Cov-19… History repeats.

    Plague (Yersinia pestis)

    1720, May. Geneva, Switzlerland. (1628 was the previous scare, well remembered at that time.)

    Marseille, via a ship “from the Levant” is hit by plague, hides the info for commercial reasons, and half the population in Marseille dies, in the region of Provence 1/3 expire.

    July. A sanitary cordon is set up to protect Geneva, a fortified town with radically clear, walled city limits.

    72 preventative measures are decreed. (see links, in F.)

    All entries to the city, at the Gates, are manned by officials. Everything is triaged and examined. Two large depots are set up, outside the Walls. The one for merchandise cleans and also simply leaves stuff to rest (intelligent), the other for persons, quarantines (from the Italian word for 40, quaranta, i.e. days) all entrants from the affected region or close by (others can enter after a med check up), with, apparently, some exceptions arriving or originating from the Provence Region or S. of France who sport a certificate of a bill of good health.

    The postal service continues to function, with delays. Letters are treated with ‘disinfectant’ – vinegar and perfume.

    Cabines, or barracks, are set up in a flat area outside the city, for isolating sick ppl. Are triaged: Ill, suspected ill, who are separated, as are the poor and rich. Hospital docs do the surveillance, policing.

    ALL assembly is forbidden, including funerals, church services, sports, court cases. Schools and all education close. Officials (Gvmt.) are given extra, emergency powers to impose fines. Ppl are advised not to mingle, circulate. A complicated scheme for delivering provisions is worked out. A rule specifies that homes in which a person has died of the plague must have all the residents in that home quarantine > thus have food delivery.

    An ‘exercise’ area is designated, where citizens are allowed to go out and walk, run, breathe.

    Doctors and med. personnel are asked to swear a fidely oath, to not leave the Town, as traditionally they are the first to flee. They are offered monetary recompense for staying put. “Black crows” task is to collect bodies, “white crows” carry out the transport of the sick, suspected sick, and health care. All their work obligations, etc. are laid out in the 72 articles.

    Good nutrition is advised. Cleaning and personal hygiene are considered vital. Infection is understood somewhat – a dead body is “corrupted” and had to be disposed of pronto – and stagnant water (pipes etc. had to be cleaned.)

    Very poor people and beggars are expelled or given housing. Cleaning the streets.

    Commerce is decimated and many ppl become poorer.

    These measures are enforced for 3 years, and are effective, no plague hit. Some historians opine that is was the cordons sanitaires in France, which btw moved further North as the infection spread, that preserved Geneva.

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    The main differences as compared to today. Of course COV19 illness is not as deathly as the plague — the difference is between 50% dead and at most 3-4% (to make it really wide and scotch discussions with the ‘if we hadn’t..’) so perhaps one shouldn’t even compare!

    In 1720, sick, ill, infected ppl were removed from their homes, isolated, which is not done now. Idk the % of infections in the family at home for COV19, read somewhere 50%, which makes sense.

    The other major difference is that travel was reserved for the very rich and some lucrative / essential commerce, and measures to control it (vet ppl, etc.) or stop it (close the gates) were relatively easy to implement.

    links are all in F, news articles, archive PDFs.

    https://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genevoise/1720-peste-marfseille-menace-genevois/story/16725052

    https://archive-ouverte.unige.ch/unige:85124

    https://www.unige.ch/lejournal/ejournal/ejournal01/peste-1720/

    https://doc.rero.ch/record/27206/files/gf_606.pdf

    in reply to: Forecast What? #69261
    Noirette
    Participant

    No way that China will engage in Nuke-war-blasts unless forced as last-ditch, and even then, maybe not. China’s aim is to expand commercially, control ressources outside of China more firmly, augment exchanges and supervise it all.

    E.g. Agri-land + its workers in Africa which can be exploited. .. *First thing to watch*

    Essential is: Transport => stakes in ports, ship companies, rail, etc., as specialisation and using cheap labor for profit rests on shunting goods, the essential, needed kind, minerals for ex., over long distances.

    OBOR – one belt, one road – is built on the premise of ‘free trade.’ Which can funtion and move forward as long as ‘wars’ are minimalised and not disruptive, only erupting sometimes in very local skirmishes, folklore even.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 1 2021 #69166
    Noirette
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    Patients get no treatment whatsoever…They literally are told to stay at home until they are sick enough to go to hospital… Dr. P. McC. at top post.

    Not only in the US and Australia, but in much of the W as well, Europe.

    It is crazy. It seems like the Docs have given up their profession and are directly or implicitly -following the movement- i.e. obeying Gvmts, “nothing to be done and avoid meeting to flatten the curve” and bowing to Big Pharma “nothing to be done until the miracle of vaccines.”

    Imho the Docs don’t see that this step they have taken or perhaps have unconsciously submitted to will do great harm to their profession. They are well on their way to becoming middlemen, a kind of servant to higher powers who deals with trouble on the ground – sick ppl.

    Of course, as we here (Switz, CH) never tire of pointing out, Docs are a libéral profession, like lawyers, independents with xyz-qualifications, even if today a large no. of docs (CH) are salaried employees, or entirely dependent on decisions taken by insurers as to pay.

    By contrast, lawyers have an esprit de corps (leading to group organisation, defense) but Docs do not. They are too diverse, too individualistic, and in positions that are too different. Nurses, who are more similar in their training / functions / positions, and at a lower echelon, have it better on that rubric. (CH, it is an example.)

    Docs apparently also don’t see that their independence, besides the middleman aspect which is bad enough.. is threatened by algos. Nurses can’t be replaced on the whole, but Docs, who listen, gather some measurements, study signs and symptoms, order tests which go to labs, advise and prescribe, can. Tele-med is already being pushed hard in some places.

    from investopedia:

    25 Highest Paid Occupations in the U.S. — Government data show that healthcare dominates the salary ladder

    https://bit.ly/3pHSr1M

    Set to change fron now on. (Not that I approve of Med. Perso. earning more than others, e.g. teachers, scientists, fire-fighters, etc.)

    —> see also Basseterre above similar pov, mentions ‘centralized power’

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 30 2021 #69062
    Noirette
    Participant

    Good that Rapier clears up this ban-fracking confusion.

    It all goes to show that Dems and the Biden crowd just spew anything at all – to Ban (> those driving SUVS who believe Solar Power can get them around) or not to Ban (because… well… without being Trump-like.. > jobs…a measured approach, etc. etc.) The power to ban only stretches to Fed. territory.

    Federal lands USA, 28%, very unevenly distributed:

    link to strange maps

    https://bit.ly/3taoBoD

    Half of US fracking wells drilled in highly water-stressed regions (2013)

    link to circle of blue

    https://bit.ly/39xnhEr

    Pipeline US spills map (shale oil, shale gas, oil, gas)

    link to 5th world adventurers (2018)

    https://bit.ly/2MH4MnX

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    Some argue that the present let us say ‘troubles’ in the USA (and the W in general, plus others..) evident in the multiple signs and symptoms of accelerating disruption, strife (aimed inwards or outwards), leading to degradation, ultimately *collapse* are not just due to —

    corruption, degenerate morals and loss of ‘values’, late stage capitalism and its attendant hyper-inequality, misguided belligerence, over-printing of ‘fiat’ money, the grip of the MIC, of GAFA, etc. etc.,

    – but to a growing realisation concerning desperate ressource constraints, deathly environmental degradation, and global warming.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 28 2021 #69015
    Noirette
    Participant

    I count among those clueless and hapless people pretty much everyone of you on this fine blog. To make myself unambiguously clear, yes, I am calling you out as clueless, hapless, self-absorbed idiots. — D Benton Smith

    Ha ha I am quite happy to be called clueless (aren’t we all a bit like that as they say?), hapless bothers me a lot but I can’t think what to do about it, I tried and failed, self-absorbed, hmm, not so much, but that isn’t intresting.

    It is definetly true though that in some spots where ppl see grand plots and very dark conspiracies I sometimes see muddle, discord, in-fighting, hesitations, incompetence, miscalculations, even fear and paranoia, in and amongst those who are in charge, have power, are ruling, sitting on important decision nodes, etc.

    This vision leaves some space for some types of collective action which might be effective and not merely reactive in the lamest way possible. In short, the round 1, 2, etc. that you detail seems to me to not only too schematic (lack of detail etc. isn’t problematic in itself – over-simplificiations can be wonderful ..) but just too organised. Each to his own I guess 🙂

    in reply to: Criminal COVID Negligence #68971
    Noirette
    Participant

    The differences re. serious illness / deaths for different groups, as one tends to define them today, is very little or poorly analysed.

    The first ‘vulnerability’ for COV19 death is age.

    OK, the very elderly can be swept away by this or that, being weak and frail, and as is often said ‘beset by disfunctions, co-morbidities’ and having an immune system ‘that doesn’t function well’ .. ok, whatever. Old ppl die of something. Now they die of Cov19 and not pneumonia. I leave that aside, though I don’t consider it a given at all. (See Spanish flu, which killed young ppl first of all.)

    The second is sex, the difference between men and women diying of Cov19 is consequent. Though in graphs at some points one can see women dying more often than men, ex. in over 80, 90, 95 age-groups that is because there are very few men around left to die.

    At lower ages, 40 – 65 say, ppl who are more exposed in smiley jobs, e.g. nurses, cashiers, teachers, who are in contact with the public all the time, tend to be women, as opposed to men who are in booths overseeing the scene at the supermarket, or truck driving (alone), in construction (open air), in IT working in a cubicle, etc. And yet overall men are more vulnerable, get sicker and die more often, than women, though women may be more often infected. => A rough general picture, to be sure areas / countries vary.

    Women live longer than men, are less suceptible to the flu and other infectious diseases, all that despite their high ‘death risks’ re. pregnancy and child birth.

    This difference doesn’t attract much attention, it is taken for granted, traditional, but could provide many clues.

    One article.

    Coronavirus COV-19/SARS-CoV-2 affects women less than men: clinical response to viral infection

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32253888/

    The third factor in W countries is obesity. Again, so why exactly is obesity a risk-factor? There are some articles, but Idk of any conclusion (?)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 26 2021 #68902
    Noirette
    Participant

    WES wrote: All of these health officials should be put on trial for crimes against their fellow humans!

    Right on. But they now act with impunity! 20, 25 years ago a Buzyn (whom I wrote about above) who told such lies or “made such catastrophic mistakes” might even have been prosecuted (in France) though the penalties would have been symbolic, she would have been barred from public life. No more – she gets a cushy job at the WHO with no doubt a huge salary (perk: she won’t be domiciled in France so will not be liable for any taxes there or anywhere else) and this is her reward for being part of the in-crowd or on the right side, etc. It is disgusting.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 26 2021 #68861
    Noirette
    Participant

    Ilargi: And off to the bullfight we go. Still not a word on HCQ, ivermectin or even vitamin D. Is it really just incompetence?

    Agnes Buzyn, ex- French Min. of Health, has admitted that in Jan 2020, more precisely as from Dec. 2019 (she read a blogger in English, she claims!) that she foresaw the tsunami that was to come (direct quote) re. Cov-19. She lied to the public, was reassuring, she confessed, in her mea culpa.

    In Jan-Feb 2020 her public messaging was “There is NO danger to French ppl” – implying that the nasty disease is only ravaging *foreigners*, in China, whatever..

    She quit / was terminated on 16 Feb 2020, facing a serious complaint from 600 or so doctors in France.

    This admission, confession, came in March 2020, in public, on MSM, after her dismissal.

    ______backtrack

    On 13 Jan 2020 Buzyn put hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil in F, over-the-counter med) on the F list of vénémeux (poisonous) substances. (“Liste II.”)

    I.e. Not banned, but mandates strict surveillance as to prescribers (Docs, other qualifications), dose amounts, follow-up, etc. The request to do so must have been actioned in December 2019 or v. early Jan as a medical board has to conduct a review and lodge an opinion, the Min. of Health can’t, alone, decree such.

    ———-

    I read in this story a Min. of Health who is incompetent in the sense of not fullfilling their brief, and being gripped into circuits that have no interest in public health but are tied to Big. Corps, powerful figures, playing political games, looking for revenues, etc.

    sidebar // Her first husband was one of the sons of the famous Holocaust survivor Simone Veil who became a popular pol – Min. of Health and Social Affairs (Socialist.) Buzyn married one of her sons, copied her appearance (looks like a clone) and is now, second marriage, spouse of the ex-head of the top. 1. Gvmt. Health Research Facility, Y. Lévy…Yeah, the in-crowd..//

    MSM French TV for this story, in F, does not mention chloroquine

    https://bit.ly/3sTGgAZ

    Since Jan. 2021 she has an important appointment at the WHO. MSM eng.

    https://bit.ly/39lq9Em

    Yves Lévy Wikip. eng.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Lévy

    in reply to: The Mephistopheles Media #68855
    Noirette
    Participant

    V. Arnold wrote. Debt is the single most important consideration in the overall view of our present situation. And yet debt is the least understood and most important consideration in overall economic health; especially on a personal level.

    Yes, absolutely! Underline it… (I do plan to read Hudson’s book on the topic.)

    Zero debt and true stores of value (gold, etc.) is the only effective hedge against the galoots and their financial chicanery (Zirp)…

    Yes in a general sense. But… gold as a store of value .. Or, the very concept of store of value itself!

    Gold, just like silver, or tulips, wonderful works of art, rare stamps, diamond tiaras, etc. is only a store of value insofar as other humans ascribe value to it. It makes a good store because it is pretty, stable and inalterable, portable – even a lingot can be carried in a bag.. (Yes, it also has some industrial usages.)

    Ex: I possess a gold ring, it is quite handsome and heavy, it belonged to a family member who tried to sell it near the end of WW2 without success (for anything really..) which is why I have it. It was worthless. The Germans had already taken all the gold plus other metals they wanted, and people around were starving and would only exchange for food or useful items such as nails, blankets, bicycle tires, socks, cigarettes…

    in reply to: The Mephistopheles Media #68828
    Noirette
    Participant

    The USA – MSM is done for. (Imho, just one angle, there are others.)

    They went for clickbait by over-covering Trump (pre-2016) in the belief that all was as usual and Clinton would win. The MSM and the Pol. Establishment were indeed taken by surprise, they believed their own hubris, polls, predictions, glorious future, and so on. Their misplaced confidence, in-groupy blinkers led to the Trump win as traditional procedures, say vote-counting and reporting, were laid down and many, most, followed them.

    A horrible, shocking humiliation for the PTB, which lead to a determination to do all it takesto prevent such a thing from ever happening again. >> See the 2020 Prez. election.

    The MSM, which should now include goog / other search, aggregators, and Social Media (platforms for ppl to communicate), in a kind of melding of news, analysis, control of information and its spread / judged correctness, authenticity, as well as conduits for advertising, sales, and propaganda of various kinds …did a classical over-reach. They could do it all, then did nothing well.

    In their collective drive for revenues and expansion they followed the ‘metrics’ (how many users, how long, how much is the data worth, what sales accrued, how much we charged, etc.) which lead to crapification – a staple of quicko-profit capitalism.

    Plus, since, say 2014 (not treating the before that, long history) the MSM + goog, twit, FB, chose their side. As run by part of the well-paid professional-managerial class, supposedly ‘savvy’ and ‘innovative’ etc., clever people who ‘hate racism,’ are sophisticated and socially ‘liberal’ and FAR removed from ‘deplorables’ etc. and support neo-lib + neo-con stances (pro-war amongst others) are now stuck with their subservience to a kind of Uni-Party that dictates to them (to Dorsey: censor pro-Trump accounts for ex.)

    They have sealed their fate as mouthpieces, channelers and censors. Uniparty media messages are almost always over time either ignored, laughed at, or reviled. See the USSR.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 24 2021 #68794
    Noirette
    Participant

    Doc Robinson, prev. thread, about the normalisation of Florida eldery being jabbed … Yikes.

    Germ and zerosum, I’m in CH and I missed that link (Swiss policy research round-up covid-meds), v. useful for sending round, thx.

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    Many heads of ‘State’ and celebs and ppl who should know better (probably do..) were photographed, filmed, being vaxxed (with what substance we don’t know..), normally it’s a med procedure, private, and not flashed. At first I was a bit surprised. Heh.

    Imho, today, print or speech is not enough to convince, a striking / ‘testifying’ emblematic image is needed.

    The propaganda works. —> Ppl identify with the ‘leaders’ and want to do / have the same, particularly if they, elderly or handicapped ppl, are ‘first in line’ for the vax so somehow ‘privileged’, head of the queue, more ‘worthy’ than others, a status they have not enjoyed in the last 10, 15, or more, years, if ever (handicapped), of their lives.

    I see Arnold Schwarzenegger is on that bandwaggon now! Come with me if you want to live! he says, behind the wheel, wearing a mask. Whoo hoo! Is that ‘sponsoring’ for a fee or what?

    link > vid at CNN

    https://cnn.it/39dwaCV

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 23 2021 #68761
    Noirette
    Participant

    Some in Israel are calling out the ‘great vax roll-out’ for what it basically is, a clinical trial.

    See the Covid Blog 22 Jan for ex. with various links:

    https://bit.ly/366tsgR

    MSM outlet, “the media line”:

    https://bit.ly/3c8qaNI

    What happened to the ‘original’ Israeli vaccine? The commercial name was BriLife.

    IIBR receives approval to launch clinical trials on human participants for a Covid-19 vaccine developed by the institute. 25 Oct 2020

    From Isr. Gvmt. website: https://bit.ly/3sJZAAm

    Idk anything much about it, genuine qu.

    ————————————————————-

    Vicious competition to sell ‘vaccines’ to all and sundry is raging, to sell to those who have cash to splurge – the W. Small, minor, competitors are driven out, Big Corps – Pharma holds the reins…?

    Cost of the vaccines?

    For those who get vaxxed, nothing, mostly, as far as I can see, the vax is free, paid for by the taxpayer (Gvmt., health insurance, arrangements with Drug cos. etc.)

    Have a look at this new initiative, COVAX, run by GAVI. Hmm. Transparent, Not.

    https://www.gavi.org/covax-facility

    So how much is charged to whom —> + what is actually paid?

    A quick search throws up costs of -various different- anti-cov vaccines to be between 1-2 Euros to 37 or even 40 Euros, but these nos. are not ‘official’, they are just quotes, estimates or even gossip. So Idk.

    With almost 8 billion potential customers, we aren’t talking about ice cream, winter bonnets, parasols, lovely tea concoctions…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 22 2021 #68716
    Noirette
    Participant

    This characterization of America’s worsening racism is not just factually ungrounded, it is also a tasteless rhetorical move in an inaugural address. Reflexive invocations of “systemic racism” and “white supremacy” have become the Tourette’s Syndrome of left-wing professors and activists.

    – from article in top post

    This is merely the well-know tactic of reducing class differences to ‘racism’, as now, the Dems and the oligarchs behind them, touting junk readings. The message is, if you are black-minority-trans-whatever and poor, struggling or desperate, it is because of your *identity* – race, sexual orientation, weight, etc. – and not because the system is rigged against you and will continue to be so!

    The message is: Don’t dare question the pay you get (..or no income at all and your children starving) or the conditions you work in or your lack of med care. Concentrate on the understanding that you are: choose, category 1,2,3,4,… and claim your rights! Over others, such as, white men who are bosses, white women who are bitches, hetero-sex ppl, etc. etc. ad nauseam.

    Classical script. What happens is that some ‘minority figures’ are co-opted to ‘rise’ and ‘have influence’ (appear in front of the cams) – they are often stooges and bow down to their ‘betters’ and simply tag along and re-inforce whatever is demanded, which is why they were hoisted in the first place, or possibly once there with subsequent dashed hopes, had no choice except to obey.

    I’m exagerating somewhat, sigh, why ppl fall for this trick over and over again gets my goat.

    More alarming is this part (same article):

    How this agenda will play out has already been adumbrated in the CDC’s initial priority list for Covid vaccinations: hold off on vaccinating the elderly, despite their higher risk levels, because the elderly are disproportionately white. Racial quotas will become even more the order of the day than now. The diversity obsessives in the federal science bureaucracies waited out Donald Trump’s presidency. They will now redouble their efforts to treat a researcher’s race and sex as scientific qualifications in the awarding of federal research grants. (…)

    Racial quotas? Anti-racism orgs. are supposed to be against that I thought? If the Pfizer vaccine is a scam or possibly ‘dangerous’ (other topic) why are useless eaters (elderly) and disadvantaged groups the first in line?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 21 2021 #68669
    Noirette
    Participant

    Expectin’ the Covid crisis to let up, in the sense of shifting from hyped-up to damped-down (see WHO directive on tests, > Ilargi post) now that the:

    New Era of O-Biden ushers in Better Life!

    Europe tends to follow the US lead, so the “W” MSM hasten to adopt the same spin.

    Yet, manipulations of info even on the complex topic of Covid are being increasingly questioned / contested…difficult to maintain. (EU, …)

    For some years now, the comfortable classes in today’s America have lost track of the fact that control over the public narrative does not equal control over the facts underlying the narrative. (…) Convince yourself that something is true, and the universe has to play along:  that’s the mentality of a frighteningly large share of the privileged in America these days. John Michael Greer, 30 Dec. 2020

    Into the Unknown Region

    Interesting that the Rovian ‘reality’ was directed to outside rivals, competitors, enemies (“We construct the reality.. etc.” Karl Rove.) Now, with various dismaying constraints and downgraded conditions set to persist and increase (energy, water, climate, finance, agri, oligarchs, inequality rising, etc.) the recycled version applied at home is set to be difficult to enforce.

    Then there is “Nature bats last” – spin about viruses is not a good idea. Competition between MegaCorps about who can cash in on the virus is not a good idea. Pols posturing about masks-100-days or No-Masks – not a good idea…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 20 2021 #68626
    Noirette
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    And now they’re going to clean the US from everyone who rejected them and supported Trump. For clickbait, power and revenge. And I’m a bit tired of reading it all. – Ilargi

    Yes. Reverse, say, McCarthy-ism. The Right as Red Traitors in cahoots with Russkies..fascinating.. While the ‘Deplorables’ or more correctly those who hope to sway, lead them, bleat on about Socialism or cultural Marxism, not USA values, no no.

    As if China-Joe was a ‘communist’ devil and not merely a senile corporate hack with very strong authoritarian impulses (one could say more but I refrain.) Just goes to show that these vague ideological slogans are but cover for underground power struggles.

    It looks like the Duopoly has broken down.

    The oligarchs, that is the their minions the Pols., collectively pretending to adhere to one of two vaguely different “outlooks” or “principled stances” in a narrow band, marginally affecting socio-economic organisation, all grossly resting on prejudice, competition, and tribalism (id.pol. etc.) is now crispy toast as the USA enters…:

    The AGE of the acknowledged UNI-Party. One ‘tribe’ has won and dictates the Agenda.

    After all, Gore (who won imho) conceded, no problem, and I’m not sure now that Kerry won (don’t recall exactly) but that went smoothly. See many of the Repub. pols who now shun Trump, chasing their share of the crumbling cake. Trump quit while not really conceding within the system as was, plainly signalling the election was fraudulent, etc.

    However, the clickbait thing – aka influence and income and deals for the MSM, tv, print and internet and more generally GAFAM as the French call it 1 is not going to work well for them. Trump was and is immensely popular and followers will check out / seek alternative venues, maybe radicalising while doing so.

    As we know, when the UniParty controls the Media and it becomes a subservient organ of the State (to put it in old-fash terms) ppl check out, don’t listen, and make fun. All lies, they sneer. Some spiffed-up gal actress mouthing made-up news on a blue screeeeen with a fake backdrop of fireworks or rainbow asteroids, nope, No. That was pretty much the picture in the ex-USSR peripherals before the Fall of the Wall (.. 1990)

    The ‘power and revenge’ part is fuelled by desperate fear. They – Dem part of the PTB – know the election was ‘stolen’ (effected by computer algos) so they have to anticipate and then deny, drown, kill off, all challenges, objections, which will perforce come from Trump supporters.

    1 Google Apple Facebook Amazon sometimes plus Microsoft

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 19 2021 #68576
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    Vaccines for Corona. << Creepy Section >>

    1. On 14 Jan. 2021, The French Gvmt. published a new directive. Ppl who are afflicted with Down’s Syndrome (Trisomy 21) are now lodged in the same category as those aged 75 + (plus med personnel under various criteria) and so have ‘priority’ for being vaccinated.

    In France, a consent form must be signed before being vaxxed, this is clearly problematic not only for ppl with uni degrees (say) but also for handicapped ppl who are entirely dependent on what they are told by their carers. They are advised to contact local health authorities and so on (?!)

    I needn’t draw the parallels.

    link > Gvmt. website in F https://bit.ly/3c1RZHk

    2. Israel is touted in the MSM as being a vaccine champion, as concerns the numbers ‘vaccinated.’ One article from Haaretz giving some nos, hmm: https://bit.ly/35VNlHd

    More disturbing:

    Israel Reveals the Patients’ Data It Gives Pfizer as Part of COVID Vaccine Deal

    quote: … Israeli Health Ministry obscured portions of the contract relating to commercial information such as the amounts to be paid to Pfizer … Israel has committed to provide Pfizer with a large amount of data on its coronavirus vaccination campaign but not information that would identify individual recipients of Pfizer’s vaccine, according to the contract the government signed with the pharmaceutical company and the Health Ministry made public on Sunday…

    https://bit.ly/35UKnCU

    The Israel vaccination program is a medical ‘trial’ under another name?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 18 2021 #68531
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    Yes Glennda (who mentioned long Covid after my report on calcs. comparing Covid to the bad flu year 2017 in France yesterday) absolutely.

    Long Covid – and most surely damages that don’t show up right away, like lung damage after having ‘recovered’, leading to serious health problems later on – yikes.

    It appears to me that ‘bad’ Covid (a mild case is nothing much, not even like having the flu..) is truly a horrible experience – lasting longer, incapacitating more, damaging, and far more frightening. Then there are those ppl who develop a whole host of dysfunctions – see for ex. David Graeber, who died of Covid, his wife believes. Kawasaki-like disease in children, cytokine storms, and more.. see article up top about return to hospital. We need to fight this virus with all the tools we have.

    Death is a ‘solid’ end-result measure that doesn’t take suffering, despair, handicaps, and earlier deaths in the unknown future, into account.

    Plus, of course, taking the general death-rate for x, y age-groups really doesn’t speak to cause – one can easily imagine all kinds of events that cause sudden spikes in deaths in the elderly, or that create an environment where they die off more / aka earlier than in previous years.

    An ex. of the former is the heat wave of 2003 that massively killed off old ppl in institutions in France and Italy, but not Switzerland (or far far less…), due to cultural factors and medical practice guide-lines. Though one has to recall that France was the hardest hit temperature-wise. An ex. of the latter is increasing poverty, decreasing medical – social and community services, in GB, where life expectancy is sinking. These factors are visible as they have been ‘analysed’ but there can be others in hiding.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 17 2021 #68493
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    France. A comparison of all deaths often today called ‘excess deaths’ as compared to other years. The nos. are all available on Gvmt. sites and they are correct (afaik.) Note, we are not dealing with cause of death -> Covid, car crash, heart, other.

    ALL deaths – in 2020 (the stats are in) to 2017 are compared. 2017 was a bad flu year: all over Europe, worse than 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019. (Euromomo has nos. for some EU countries that are clear and simple to see. link below.) So, a ‘bad flu year’ vs. the first ‘Covid year.’

    132,xxx ppl died in 2017, and 134,xxx in 2020. (1.3% more for 2020.)

    More ppl died in 2020 vs 2017 – surely the population was larger?

    Yes, the pop. grew about .5 %. (Only 3 years, after all.)

    However, the proportion of ppl aged over 65 was v. different.

    In 2017, 11,853,xxx and in 2020, 12,680,xxx. Plus 7% in 3 years, this is the baby boomers growing older. Other age categories were reduced in %, including babies, young children, obviously, as the birth rate continues to collapse, and there are overall less ‘young ppl.’

    So, in 2020 more older ppl died, as there were more of them, as compared to 2017.

    (The rest shows that if one applies mortality rates for over 65’s from 2017 to 2020, the bad flu year was -imho- roughly equivalent to the 2020 Covid year, but with a different pattern: high spikes and lows for 2020, with a more steady death curve for 2017 – this is the case in Switzerland also.)

    you tube https://bit.ly/2Y1IkIZ

    https://www.euromomo.eu

    I am not trying to argue that Covid is a ‘hoax’, merely that it is hyped and exagerated for pol. purposes. It seems to be the case (Swiss stats) that sars-cov-2 has killed off the flu, another topic.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 16 2021 #68487
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    Doc R, thx for the details. The question is really how far will the pre-crime analysis (targetting or … someone because of some trip-thresholds metrics, like having previous convictions, having been drunk and disorderly, behind on taxes, etc.) or wrong-think (independent of behaviour, pol. bent, sites visited, beliefs, adherence to ‘movements’ etc.) stretch, be used.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 16 2021 #68452
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    The US ‘war’ on Communism, post WW2, was against socialists, community oriented groups, workers, particularly Unions / any form of org. in that direction, suspected ‘leftist’ sympathisers (hoo! help, Soviet Spies!), and civil rights figures, e. g. Martin Luther King as a communist stooge!

    The Red Scare, some lives destroyed. Ostensibly against political stances. Internal.

    Next, the US war on drugs, which was instigated to target hippies (middle-class, anti-war, peace ’n love) who embraced pot, as well as poorer minority communities (Black..) who trafficked to earn a living.. Plus, to safeguard the monopoly in drug distribution and its revenues to para-state organisms. In addition, to increase the prison population which provides slave labor for many US companies.

    Officially, against ‘bad personal habits’ and ‘illicit, unregulated trade in dangerous substances’ which made all the moralists feel wonderfully puffed up (and cashing in.) Internal.

    Next, the GWOT, after 9/11. This was approx 90% directed outwards (I am not meaning to make light of discrimination and attacks towards Muslims in the US), the point was to bomb, destroy, subjugate the enemies of Israel, feed the MIC, consolidate US imperialism, force allies to obey. External.

    Now, 2021, the enemies are once again Internal, “domestic terrorists” – though who exactly they are is not quite defined yet…:

    Trump followers / voters? Deplorables, low-level workers, dirty ppl? Ppl who have guns? Tractors? Republican voters (that means destroying the Duopoly, it might go there)? White men (as opposed to all other categories)? Putin lovers? ..Ppl who post on / supposed forbidden internet site?

    Imho, will end up in a ‘wrong-think’ including ‘hidden saboteurs’ definition, with nothing concrete to refer to, a bit like the McCarthy Era. There really isn’t anything much to single out and refer to.

    Potted history, sure. The point is, who is to be included on the Victim list?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 15 2021 #68447
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    madamski, the problem is that ‘remedies’ (aka making life at least bearable for the majority, and hopefully ‘better’ in the future, world, but as discussed here, mostly USA) depends on how the situation is viewed, and what bits and pieces of “truth” – aka shifting suppositions and beliefs in some brands of ‘facts’ – a majority, or influential minority, or just plain despots, can impose.

    But you knew this already.

    For ex.I believe the election was ‘rigged’ (e.g. ‘real’ votes, Trump 77 million, Biden 66 or less, just invented nos., something like that..) .. However this says nothing about any ‘remedies’. Should Trump thus be re-instated? The DNC head figures / others who colluded thrown into prison? Voting rights for ppl who are ‘deplorables’ or ‘of color’ or whatever, removed? A new war, what? None of this makes any sense….So…what are some other proposals?

    in reply to: Baby Social Media #68397
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    WES posted, I have this gut feeling jack and zack etc. banned Trump on the behest of uniparty figures like Mitch who desires to purge Trump supporters from the republican party.

    That, or some variant (fash word but in Covid realm) of a similar story, see my post on last thread, is most surely the case, imho.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 15 2021 #68392
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    ha ha ha, 51 Billion in “losses” (capit.) for Social Media Twitter, and FB…This should show ppl who has the upper hand, banning Trump is so bad for their biz model one or another may not recover. Trump with more than 80 million followers on Twitter for ex — *sexy girls* I mention these as an example of ‘general staple’ — and other I won’t mention are their bread and butter.

    These ‘independent’ social Medias are left to trawl, collect / sell info, and manage and manipulate as they wish, while being on a tight leash held by their masters, the PTB, who control them, no question. Probably both parties prefer relations to be be ‘fuzzy’ and not laid down by clear laws, etc. (See all the previous dicey Congressional hearings about ‘media’ and ‘free speech’ etc. where everyone is speaking with forked tongue.)

    Wikipedia has removed Trump from its list of top Twitter followers list. Obama is the only Pol in the top 50 list, besides … Narendra Modi! (no. 12.) The only non show-sports-etc. ppl are Bill Gates and Elon Musk (this is correct, they are always way way up there.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Twitter_accounts

    Here is a more accurate list of pol. figures only (giving no. of followers), Trump is first, and the top 10 includes no other US figure.

    Top 10 World Leaders With Most Twitter Followers 2020

    Here, how to buy twitter followers, a guide. So maybe all this is BS in any case, it is all fake and prop op.

    https://howsociable.com/buy-twitter-followers/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 14 2021 #68315
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    Dr Day, that vid. – M. Yon, was interesting, merci.

    On the moment, i looked at some vid. clips of the Storming of the Capitol (so-called) and my first impressions was ‘very photo op’, some really suspicious details (not the guards letting ppl in, that is ‘other’) ..

    But then pretty much all protests / angry crowd .. collective scenes are photo ops, in the sense that the participants, today, are aware that they are participating in a ‘show’ that will be photographed, filmed, etc. and that is the point, what they crave .. By their mates moreover…ppl present beside them.. amongst others…

    (In the past 25 years or so there have been ‘show’ protests that are pure ‘show’ – the organisors, and participants, make money – the protestors pander to the media, have no real cause. FEMEN is a typical ex. Pussy Riot maybe – Idk much about them.)

    What the vid. does not address is that ppl are paid to participate, act. Many protestors (and agent-provocateurs) are semi-profesionals doing Ok paid temp gigs, they take contracts, like ‘extras’ for movies. This financial circuit is not investigated.

    Anecdote, from my personal knowledge, from ppl I know.

    The protestors in the Maidan (before the showdown, Ukraine) were paid between 7 and 20 Euros a day, Excellent pay.

    Young women who joined the White Helmets (yes they had / have a women-brigade, for photo ops mostly, Syria) were paid 200 Euros a month, as a fixed salary.

    Femen protest photo, *warning!* topless

    https://bit.ly/3srZf5a

    Syrian White Helmets women photo, well covered up.

    https://bit.ly/3qrr4ZP

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 13 2021 #68254
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    Trump Legacy. Might some accounting take place, as was usual in the past?

    Or is US politics now at the level of quarrels amongst clapped-out geriatric media-cum-mafia figures hurling insults with no zero references to policy, on any matters at all of importance to ppl, internally?

    Ex. Wikip. Terrorist attacks USA lists for 2016 to end 2020:

    October 22–26, 2018: At least twelve packages containing pipe bombs were mailed within the U.S. Postal Service system to several prominent critics of U.S. President Donald Trump, including various Democratic Party politicians (Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker), actor Robert De Niro, billionaire investor George Soros, former CIA Director John O. Brennan, and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

    October 8, 2020: The FBI announced the arrests of 13 people for attempting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the state government.

    No injuries, no deaths. The Las Vegas shootings may have been an exception, as the tall tale of Stephen Paddock as a lone shooter was obvious BS, hastily constructed as a cover-up as no time to do a semi-convincing job. Trump’s speech about it was rather strange, cautious, over-general – imho he was holding back, he was twitching and uncomfortable:

    https://bit.ly/3bFvW9l – 5 mins

    Michael Smith. Was ISIS responsible for the Las Vegas attack? 2017, in *Foreign Affairs.* (paywall but can be found.) Argues it was a ‘terror’ attack. ISIS claimed the attack btw. Twice.

    Trump followed the no-notoriety guide-line (don’t give ‘terrorists’ media exposure, fame, etc.) which France adhered to until Hollande, who presided over the Thalys train attack, the Charlie Hebdo attack, and the multiple Paris attack (Bataclan, Death Metal Concert, etc.) as well as the Nice boulevard truck ramming, all of which together killed a HUGE no of ppl. In all these cases, the terrorists, plus their associates (etc.) were identified, given much media space, etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

    — The main reason why Hollande could not be re-elected and did not stand.

    Under Biden-Kamala-MSM-PTB-Corp alliance, terrorism will leap forward – a re-play of the Islamists radicals stories, following the traditional neo-con-neo-lib line, with the addition of new widely defined “domestic terrorism” category, which will be hyped to death (sic) and will be laid at the door of ‘right wing’, ‘fascist’, ‘white supremacism’ etc. attitudes, speech, opinions, actions, while ignoring or down-playing radical left, anarchist, and eco-terra stuff.

    Not that any actions / attacks will be very consequent (imho, USA), ppl now are beyond all that. Yet, the MSM will continue to dish it up.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 11 2021 #68140
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    Role of the MSM – USA.

    As mentioned by posters, the entire MSM is in the hands of a few oligarchs / powerful Corps. The Fringes are allowed only a marginal and temporary existence, increasingly now, e.g. (2021) where we see so-called ‘conservative’ sites, news, internet chats, etc. taken down, banned, etc.

    Twitter plus others banning Trump is an event that could only happen in a country on the verge of, or in the midst of, a color revolution.

    Yes, the MSM are super powerful, for ex. for the last 4 years they have spewed forth RussiaGate, making Trump out to be a stooge or a foreign agent for Russia. However, the MSM didn’t make it up, the narrative came from the DNC, Obama (sub rosa), the CIA, Experts of various tripes (sic, meant types..) some actors in the PTB, etc. Idk the details natch. Yet, many ppl did not believe …

    The MSM – imho specially in the US via TV – can hugely influence perception, understanding and knowledge of much. Particularly the perception of persons, such as Trump as a misogynist, racist, etc. Or, BLM protests as super exciting peaceful legitimate demos, vs. some protestors storming into the Capitol as insurrectionist, violent domestic terrorists revolt. Or, some Doc. being a wonderful super-star, another to be thrown in the ditch.

    The MSM is, will always be, a middle-man. Controlling tribal adherence and opinion on socio-cultural matters, plus what is going on in foreign lands (audience knows nothing, so anything goes) works. As middle-men, theyare obliged to join, adhere to, what they perceive to be ‘winners’ so as to protect their role (existence, jobs, etc.)

    They have no influence on top level decisions, which country is to be invaded, what world domination in what form, which people at home are to be imprisoned or killed, what policies are to be implemented re. military funding, climate issues, energy circuits, agricultural subsidies, food distribution, transport, education — Finance and banking !! —- etc. All the stuff that matters.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 10 2021 #68099
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    Twitter not only bans Trump, but also a Med. Journal (European Journal of Medical and Health Sciences) for publishing an article that showed Ivermectin treatment was “positive.”

    Note in the middle of the link to the site Reclaim, readers are warned “this link may be unsafe” – the link is to the med. journal and it doesn’t click thru (no access to the original article.) It may, one is warned, steal personal info, harm devices, spam, promulgate violent or misleading content, etc.

    https://bit.ly/3bubt7k

    In the //All was predicted Section//, see:

    In this 9 minute video, reference is made to a film, The Hamburg Syndrome, which was made in 1979, which is a uncanny prediction of 2020 and the COVID-19 virus, which spread from a street market in Communist China to the rest of the world in very quick time. The number of deaths world wide has been massive, and new strains of the virus are now beginning to appear.

    German with good quality Eng. subs. See all the tropes and memes —- laid out long ago. Fascinating, imho.

    https://codoh.com/library/document/hamburg-syndrome-1979-2020/en/

    Adverse reactions to the COV-vax, USA, very consequent! (one has to download the data)

    https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html

    in reply to: The Swamp Swallowed Trump #68014
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    following on from last TAE post…

    Twitter is now more powerful than the (ex-) most powerful man in the world, the POTUS, as it can censor and then ban him, illico, presto!

    Imagine a phone Co. blasting a recorded message to Obama when he tried to call Michelle or Renzi (Italy PM) saying “Your call cannot go through this circuit you are not accepted as a bona fide proper subscriber as your words are fuzzing (sic) and incite confusion, hatred of humands (sic) ” – 🙂 –

    Plus.

    Twitter blocks medical journal after it published a positive study on Ivermectin treatment for corona virus.

    Twitter blocks medical journal after it published a positive study on Ivermectin treatment for coronavirus

    Goobye Science, not flash news for sure, Med. Science has been corrupted and manipulated for ages, steathily for a long time. A slow, invisible, build-up to say 1990, then, an acute phase progressively kicking in in the last 20, 15 years or so.

    Now it is official: having a financial interest in whatever snake oil (today, vax-s), being paid off, or being blinded by propaganda / group-think / having to adhere to get along, all act to supress, bury, what might be seen as valid, interesting, information, data, studies, conjectures, etc.

    .. to hopefully — help people who suffer and may die? No! Financial gain overrides, as does bowing to the Tops. (aka, PTB, Deep State, Trillionaire Club, Big Pharma, MegaCorp Fascist group, other, take your pick.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 8 2021 #68001
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    Talk of China invading Russia (> Mr. House, WES, madamski..): adding my two cents, that would be imprudent to say the least on the part of the Chinese. Folly! (As madamski points out the minor border disputes are quickly settled.)

    The Russia-China alliance (such as it is, i.e. not set in stone) is very much a matter of we are facing the same enemy – ll et’s see how the collaboration, cooperation, goes. The relationship is enhanced as Vladimir and Xi are quite like-minded, if from very different cultural backgrounds. They are both history and political philosophy buffs, are generally even-tempered and manage to keep an air of ‘above the fray’ and are (ostensibly) ‘for the people’ of their country.

    However internal socio-political management is very different in the two countries, as are their foreign policies / exchanges with the ROW (rest of the world) / long-term goals (though these are moot for all.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 8 2021 #67943
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    So, the USA color revolution is completed successfully, though lacking a dramatic ending, for now.

    Voices clamor for Trump to be impeached, cancelled, removed, hounded out of town, fleeing for his life (or legal equivalent), as such is supposed to occur, to punish the Illegitimate Leaders, Dictators, Despots, who are booted to oblivion to make room for corrupt cronies, US stooges, Mafia-cum-CIA types, who will sell their ppl down the river. (E.g. Yanukovitch replaced with Poroshenko and “our man Yats.” Poor result: Crimea returned to Russia, a huge blow. Note, no longer mentioned, and the Minsk agreements are dead.)

    Under Trump, no new color revolution, aka régime-change operation, was conducted, or concluded satisfactorily from a neo-con, neo-lib, US point of view. The previous Obama sorties, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, limped along (DAESH in Syria was more or less defeated – the Donbass is not officially a Russian protectorate but getting close, Ukr. army is in tatters – Lybia is a hellish pit..) and were, are, failures except in the sense of destroying killing others, imagined competiton. Or! ensuring certain ‘top’ failed sons, relatives, might extract piles of money, as in a Globalist Corrupt Op.

    The epitome was the ridiculous Venezuela botched coup affair, with Random Guy-do performing clownishly all over the place …

    So, for lack of successful or even just disruptive color revols / régime changes or creative novel devastating genocidal wars, Trump is subject to color revol. himself…

    >> Only one aspect, yes, for sure.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 5 2021 #67790
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    WES posted: I find it interesting that the Greek church is now opposing the Greek state’s lockdown.

    Yes…. The Catholics have joined the PTB, see for ex. Excerpt:

    In the past, the Pope has also criticized people who refuse to wear masks or who protest against coronavirus restrictions, commenting that they move in “their own little world of interests.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/pope-flying-covid-intl-scli/index.html

    Ugo Bardi (member of the Club of Rome, Prof. in Italy), often has posts a bit exagerated It-style, argues COV19 has killed off the Christian Church. Heh.

    https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2020/12/another-victim-of-covid-collapse-of.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 5 2021 #67742
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    From the Intelligencer. The Lab Leak hypothesis, quoted in top post:

    <i>SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, began its existence inside a bat, then it learned how to infect people in a claustrophobic mine shaft, and then it was made more infectious in one or more laboratories, perhaps as part of a scientist’s well-intentioned but risky effort to create a broad-spectrum vaccine. ..</i>

    This story rests in part on a MA thesis, or take-up / reports of, about it.

    By Li Xu, 2013. Abstract, snippets:

    The analysis of 6 patients with severe pneumonia caused by an unknown virus sent to the Dpt. of (…) Emergency in (…) 2012. They were all workers at the same mine where bats and bat feces (..were prevalent..) The type of bat in the mine…was Rhinolophus Sinicus from which was extracted SARS-like-CoV when Scientists in China were looking for SARS pathogen.

    —3 patients died and 3 patients survived.–

    The thesis is trans into Eng. Incl. x rays of lungs, PCR tests, meds given, course of treament, etc.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 5 2021 #67736
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    When ppl say Judge Baraitser’s ruling was ‘unexpected’ or ‘surprising’ etc. they are signalling that they believed the protests, demos, and other actions in favor of Assange, would have no effect whatsoever. Odd. And the mood is most emphatically not “We Won” …

    /- My first thought on reading a short article on the judgement was, the refusal to allow extraditon is on humanitarian grounds only, and does not address the underlying issues, sticking with that for now.-/

    There was a minor surge in various quarters ‘for Assange’ in the recent past exemplified by the Guardian (I have no respect for that outlet, turncoats, really) publishing an anti-extradition piece:

    https://bit.ly/3oh01j5

    Baraitser is not an independent judge applying the law in the most conservative, strict, way possible. She is on a scale from: directly dependent on orders from the PTB >> to influenced by hints, nudges, “best to..” public opinion, hubby (if she has one), etc.

    Imho it was perceived in many quarters that allowing the extradition at this point was going a step too far as in making a mockery of ‘free speech’, ‘investigative journalism’, right to publish and so on. “Best to hold on for now” – though many darker motives, hidden plots, underground quarells, may exist.

    ——————————-

    Relations between Trump and Assange appear to be very convoluted.

    The Atlantic on corr. between D. Trump Junior and Wikileaks, 2017.

    https://bit.ly/3neGsGU

    Roger Stone also corresponded with Wikileaks. Computer weekly, 2020.

    https://bit.ly/3hNIE7c

    There is also the story of a possible Trump pardon of Assange if Julian would admit the ‘hacked’ DNC emails didn’t come from Russia. Market Watch, 2020

    https://on.mktw.net/3pRL7Qy

    Sorting all this out historically would make a fantastic book (involves Seth Rich etc. as well.) Me, idk.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 4 2021 #67698
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    France. (Quoted up top. France-Soir is sort of ‘rebel,’ even dissident media.)

    A while ago, Macron asked to meet Pr. Didier Raoult (the hydroxychloroquine guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult&#8230;.)

    Raoult, admired by a large section of F ppl, made Macron travel to Marseille, he, R, refused to go to Paris, too busy. Nobody quite knows what they discussed, R spoke about it in vague terms, but it made an impression for sure. (Macron may be wily in some ways but he is totally ignorant in many areas, and is poor at math, a handicap in finance and medecine..)

    Maybe ‘common sense’ (whatever that is, it is not hysteria about ‘cases’, a rush to lock the population up, buy a pile of non functioning vaccines..) is getting a bit of a grip. Or maybe not, there is, a-hem, pressure to later roll out a French Vax!

    Généralistes (family docs, paid by the State) are being paid 5.40 Euros for every covid-vax, as it entails:

    – a consult, meeting the person
    – obtaining their signature on a consentment form (so presumably some ‘explanation’ etc.)
    – entering all details of vax (type, lot, no.) and person into a national data base. So there is a real follow-up (some might call it a vaccine trial writ large.)

    The MSM is screaming about the scandal of almost-no or go-slow vax, Germany way better, etc. Macron himself has been going on about the ‘shameful’ performance re. the vax, so who is he blaming? Err?

    Macron has been pegged as governing like in a ‘start-up’ in this case, Nation. So apt, some lower guy in charge of some data-base or other is castigated and then either grudgingly forgiven or fired, to be replaced with a clone, who has a nicer hair-style and brings in ‘fresh’ (chirpy but stale) ideas.

    Besides that, there have been several doctors (well-known ones), and other med. personnel, advocating in public for the kind of approach outlined in the article, and they have a HUGE following.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 3 2021 #67651
    Noirette
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    Stella Moris: President Obama’s administration realised this, and understood that charging Julian would require them to prosecute international media outlets. (…) With Trump, however, the mood has changed dramatically and under his administration, journalistic practices have been pursued as crimes. WikiLeaks …

    Very stupid, and detrimental to Julian.

    She — her advisors, handlers (? maybe a mistake listening to them..) — should have stuck to only:

    first, Julian, my partner, our children, our family ‘have hope’ – ‘pray for mercy’ – (can come in various forms from the lacrimose pity-seeking to stalwart support from outside the prison, strident calls for justice, demos, in various forms.. etc. .. OK ..many possibilities …), second, Julian as journalist.

    Not more, not extra, not different.

    Politicising his plight as contra-Trump and pro-Obama makes a mockery of human rights and freedom of speech, negates any over-riding principles one might want to invoke.

    Bad news for Julian.. Of course her appeals / actions etc. will be totally ineffective in any case. (She may be protecting her sons’ futures, other story.)

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