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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle August 18 2020 #62270

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    “Me, it makes me feel that perhaps the Dems don’t actually want to win.”

    Oh Please! Everything you do is an assault on the Dems and a buffer (or an outright misrepresentation) to an accurate accounting of Trump and the harm he does to everything he touches. I can only imagine that Putin loves you for it!

    The TAE I once lauded and supported is gone! And now so am I.

    At least you will still have your toady, V. to comment on the art (angry expat aside) which he has so fastidiously done since you chastised him a couple of years back. As well as Dr. D-mento, that paragon of logic and common sense.

    Say whatever you want in response. I don’t care, I won’t be back to read it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 4 2020 #61811

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    “The question to ask is whether one type of voting in less reliable than another.” Correctamundo! Oregon uses mail in voting. My sister lives there along with her non citizen husband (Aussie). He made the mistake of signing her ballot for her which was caught by the vote counters. The were contacted by the authorities and reprimanded. Mail in voting works very well. Colorado has the highest rating for voting accuracy. On the other hand we have a President elected to office who shouldn’t have been all over the issue of hanging chads.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 2 2020 #61746

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    “I forgot to attribute those lyrics to TISB (The Incredible String Band).
    Best band ever; out of the 60’s… 🙂”

    Can’t disagree with your choice in music. Still have my vinyl of TISB. Rotary Connection was another great (and relatively unknown) band out of the 60’s. IMO. Lost my reel to reel of it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 11 2020 #58652

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    The whole M. Flynn story that’s trying to get sold is a crock of unmitigated shit. Trump was warned by Obama and Sally Yates that he was a security risk and that he was being paid by RT as well as Turkey. Any one who knows anything about law enforcement knows that they make a plan about how to go about making their case when they decide to go after someone. Sydney Powell is his lawyer and will say anything to get him off. Barr is Trumps toady and will do his dirty work for him. That we know already. Trey Gowdy is a slut that will do and say anything to further the Republican partisan cause. Dragging Benghazi out for years to try and create whatever smut he thought he could fabricate for political gain. Flynn confessed twice to lying about speaking to the Russian Amb. Trump fired him because he lied to Pence. You know, because he and Pence were unaware of his intentions when he spoke to Kislyak, which is a violation of the Logan act. So the whole hub bub is about FBI deciding whether to get him to confess about violating the Logan act or to lie about it. Flynn chose the latter. He should be in jail.

    in reply to: Why Lockdowns Work #58299

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    I couldn’t agree more. In my view the way out of this is in isolating the virus and its spread. Eventually it will die out. Testing and PPE need to be ramped up to the global emergency level that this has become. As is all too common we live in a political world that operates on the Peter Principle. People rise to the level of their incompetence. Lots of that going around.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 27 2020 #57998

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    I say the solution to the problem is if ya’ll want to go back to work, going to B ball games, sitting in the restaurant or bar sipping suds, working in the meat packing plant, etc. Have at it. Just agree to not seek medical care if you get sick. Easy peasy! I’m all for Darwinism.

    By the way regarding the young paying the price for the old. First of all, the young are dying as well. Particularly those with high exposure jobs. But it might do your soul good to consider the notion of Depraved Indifference.

    Dr. D as I showed several days ago, your statistic of 400k deaths from unemployment is total bull shit.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2020 #57896

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    An example of something along the line of DBS’s two objectives and smart responses….

    Viet Nam

    https://www.thenation.com/article/world/coronavirus-vietnam-quarantine-mobilization/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 24 2020 #57830

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    The Whistle Blowers Protection Act, 2011 lays down the complete framework to investigate alleged cases of wrongdoing. The crime or wrongdoing could be in the form of fraud, deceiving employees, corruptions, or any other act which misleads people.

    In our filing we will make clear that Dr. Bright was sidelined for one reason only — because he resisted efforts to provide unfettered access to potentially dangerous drugs, including chloroquine, a drug promoted by the administration as a panacea, but which is untested and possibly deadly when used improperly,” his lawyers said in a statement.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 20 2020 #57579

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    A little FAKE NEWS correction…

    When Jill Colvin of The Associated Press asked Trump on Sunday about Cuomo’s criticism of his failure to boost testing, the president first attacked her for not saying that the governor had said “we did a phenomenal job.” In fact, Cuomo did not say that. He said that the “phenomenal accomplishment” of flattening the curve of infection had been achieved by the country’s citizens, with the help of federal and state governments. “People did it, but government facilitates people’s actions,” Cuomo said in a part of the clip Trump was talking over as it played in the briefing room. “Heroic efforts on behalf of people, as facilitated by government — federal and state,” he added.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 18 2020 #57429

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    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/18/837855145/official-in-ecuador-says-thousands-more-people-may-have-died-than-government-has

    Guayaquil Ecuador. Morticians and grave yards taking in bodies per day that they normally see in a month. People trying to get medical care dying from respiratory failure in there homes before help can get there. Dead lying in the streets and homes for days. Backhoes quintupled to meet the grave digging demand.

    Coming to your town if you don’t stay the fuck home.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57369

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    From Bosco: Useless, nay, destructive jobs like posting numerous straw dog fallacies day after day after day… but it’s a job, I suppose.

    Thought it needed highlighting.

    in reply to: The Only Man Who Has A Clue #57230

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    Bravo, i could not agree more! On every point!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 14 2020 #57152

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    Per the study mentioned by Dr. D. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070776/

    “The study is a random-effects meta-analysis and meta-regression designed to assess the association between unemployment and all-cause mortality among working-age persons.”

    “Despite its extensiveness, only one systematic review of the unemployment literature has been conducted (see Jin, Shah, & Svoboda, 1995). This review, however, was qualitative in nature and examined multiple health outcomes. A systematic, quantitative review of the association between unemployment and mortality, arguably the most important outcome, has not yet been conducted.”

    A mean hazard ratio of 1.63 for studies done over 40 years (which is the figure you’re quoting) does not translate into massive deaths of the nature and scale you want people to subscribe to. If your theory were correct we would have seen a massive number of deaths after the Great Recession. Will we see a .63 rise in the mean hazard ratio over the next 40 years? Perhaps! Meanwhile people are dying in very significant numbers right now.

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39267/do-40-000-people-die-in-the-united-states-for-every-1-increase-in-unemployment

    “Every 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die, did you know that?”

    “There are roughly 162 million workers in the US, therefore a 1% increase in unemployment corresponds to 1.62 million workers losing their jobs. According to this CDC data, for every 100,000 people aged 25-64 roughly 400 of them will die in a given year. That number comes from averaging the mortality rates for the age groups I assume make up most of the labor force. Therefore, for a given sample of 1.62 million working age people, we expect 6400 of them to die in a given year. This meta-analysis indicates that your risk of death increases by 63% when you lose your job. This means that 10,000 people will die instead of 6400, an increase of 4000 Americans per year. In order for this claim to be true, the increased death rate would have to be 630% instead of 63%.”

    “Many researchers continue to argue that the unemployment-mortality association is spurious. These scholars argue that health selection into unemployment operates through health behavior variables rather than in a direct manner (i.e. the “latent sickness hypothesis”) (Jusot et al., 2008).”

    “In more plain English, people with unhealthy behaviors may be more likely to lose their jobs; Alcoholism can get you fired and lead to an early grave, but getting fired wasn’t what killed you.”

    Dr. D’s cure is a recipe for disaster.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 14 2020 #57146

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    So Dr. D’s “a priori” assumption to his logic is a line from a movie?! He then extrapolates that baseless assumption to make an argument that multiples of that (assumption) would lead to early deaths for 400k people (what ever some vague meaning of “early death” might mean from the movie itself). He asserts the equivalent of it would lead to fewer deaths to just let the virus wash over us like the Cheeto has suggested. Never mind that the health care system will crash because even those insured would overwhelm it. Industry would collapse because no one is going to go to work without some modicum of an expectation that they can do it without dying. If we all had a supply of N95 masks to wear and protective clothing we might have some ability to expand beyond where we are but we don’t have near enough even for the medical community itself. The VA system reportedly is said to have enough if they stick to the guidelines of changing them out once a week. The death rate is as low as it is because of the restrictions that have been put in place to limit the spread. Talk about anti-logos BS.

    The historical facts are counter intuitively just the opposite from Dr D’s assertion. Except for a 2% overall increase in suicides the mortality rate actually goes down during economic downturns with high unemployment. Great Depression and Great Recession being notable examples of studies done. An example….

    https://www.pnas.org/content/106/41/17290

    “Analysis of various indicators of population health shows that population health did not decline and indeed improved during the Great Depression of 1930–1933. During this period, mortality decreased for almost all ages, and gains of several years in life expectancy were observed for males, females, whites and nonwhites—with the latter group being the group that most benefited. For most age groups, mortality tended to peak—over and above its long-term trend—during years of strong economic expansion (such as 1923, 1926, 1929, and 1936–1937). In contrast, the deep recessions of 1921, 1930–1933, and 1938 coincided with generalized declines in mortality rates and peaks in life expectancy. The only exception to this general pattern was suicide mortality, which increased during the Great Depression, but suicides account for less than 2% of all deaths. Overall, our results show that years of strong economic growth are associated with either worsening health or with a slowing of secular improvements in health.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56945

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    You see, that’s what happens when people self quarantine. They don’t get exposed to contagious diseases like the flu and the pneumonia mortality rate drops off a cliff. Whoda thunk? But conspiracies are so much more fun. Gotta wonder who is smoking what in the comment section of this site. Keep up the good work Raul. There are things I don’t agree on with you but on the Covid19 it so happens I do.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56896

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    Schadenfreude! I say it’s the projection of one’s own unconscious self hatred onto another. Easier to judge and condemn others instead of oneself for the same failing. Therefore judge not lest you know what!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 5 2020 #54830

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    Dr D, so are you claiming that all 20 million people in Wuhan are infected by the virus? Clearly you must be to come up with your figures. There’s contained, and there’s containment procedures. In your version people must be running around kissing one another on the mouth willy nilly.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 4 2020 #54779

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    The Trump White House faced widespread criticism on Tuesday after Vice President Mike Pence conducted a press briefing on the coronavirus outbreak, but members of the media were not allowed to record video or audio. Critics suggested the Trump administration is more concerned with managing the optics of the outbreak, rather than the outbreak itself.

    Turley…[..] “Authenticity is a word rarely applied to Trump, but it remains his greatest selling point outside Washington. More importantly, he does not try to pretend what he is not: honest or moral.”

    Unfucking believable!!

    Trump’s Real Base Is the Ruling Class

    “What set the largely petit-bourgeois Trump supporters apart, Smith and Hanley showed, was their shared allegiance to eight core values and identities: identification as “conservative”; support for “domineering leaders”; Christian fundamentalism; prejudice against immigrants; prejudice against blacks; prejudice against Muslims; prejudice against women; and a sense of pessimism about the economy….the real winners under Trump have been the economic elite.”

    — consistent with Bannon’s call for the “deconstruction of the administrative state” — the real winners under Trump have been the economic elite. These are the leading beneficiaries of Trump’s effort to introduce what leftist economist Jack Rasmus calls “a more virulent form of neoliberalism,” replete with a pronounced assault on democracy and a drift toward tyranny. Journalist Thomas Meaney notes that Trump as president has “fed the richest in society in the currency they prefer — dollars — and fed his fans lower down with a temporarily effective substitute — recognition.”

    “So what if Trump is, in Chomsky’s words, “dedicated with fervor to destroying the prospects of organized human life on Earth in the not-distant future (along with millions of other species)”?”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 2 2020 #54675

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    “But though he certainly stumbles his way awkwardly through, the CDC would be what it is no matter which party is in charge.” Wrong…

    The Trump administration fired the U.S. pandemic response team in 2018 to cut costs. (True)

    Ziemer is a well-respected public health leader who was considered highly effective leading the President’s Malaria Initiative under George W. Bush and Barack Obama before joining the NSC last year. While Palladino said he left “on the warmest terms,” an individual familiar with the specifics behind the reorganization said “he was basically pushed out. He struggled to preserve himself and the integrity of his team, and he failed.”

    His exit comes against the backdrop of other administration actions critics say have weakened health security preparedness, including dwindling financing for early preventive action against infectious disease threats abroad.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 28 2020 #54539

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    • Biden Treated Ukraine ‘As His Private Property’ – Ex-Prosecutor Shokin (RT)

    More Russian BS!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

    Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.

    Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine.

    Mr Tombinski said the EU was also concerned about the resignation or dismissal of several “reform-oriented” prosecutors and reports that Mr Shokin’s office was investigating a “highly-respected” anti-corruption group – an obvious reference to Kiev’s Anti-Corruption Action Centre, which had fiercely criticised Mr Shokin.

    In what appeared to be his last act before dismissal, Mr Shokin sacked his deputy, Davit Sakvarelidze, who had repeatedly called for his boss to be fired.

    Mr Sakvarelidze, a Georgian who was also chief prosecutor in the Odessa region, said his dismissal by Mr Shokin was part of “a cleansing of people who are prepared every day to fight corruption and the old guard without compromise”.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 17 2020 #54039

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    “The civil servants think they have the right to set policy. And don’t you dare question that. But wasn’t it perhaps high time someone did?”

    Exactly, what we really need is a King and his henchmen! Only then will we have true order in the country!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 8 2020 #53692

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    There is actually something known as “Set” American foreign policy. It is formulated by a group within the State Department called the Policy Planning Staff currently consisting of about 25 people with a variety of types of expertise. It “sets” the course for functionaries within the State Department. A President may be an ultimate authority but the notion that he can’t go against what is “set” policy consensus in motion within the State Department because he is the ultimate authority is a canard designed to obfuscate the reality of the situation being testified to in the impeachment hearings. No one person has all the facts or expertise to decide what is the most prudent policy which is why they have a policy staff. And our current ding dong in chief certainly falls into that category. Vindictive….clearly!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2020 #53542

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    Trump has no respect for anything beyond his own self-aggrandizing self image and his petty vindictive hatred of anyone who opposes him. Decorum goes both ways. He either snubs the hand shake in his pettiness (on multiple occasions) or crushes the hand of those he deigns to acknowledge. Offering this man the respect of the office only serves to diminish the office itself. His constant lies diminish the office and the SOTU speech was nothing but a pack of iies. Giving Rush Limbaugh (another purveyor of lies) the Medal of Freedom is like giving Mengele a Nobel in medicine. Especially on Rosa Parks day.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 2 2020 #53367

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    In 1905 there were 19 deaths from high school and collegiate football and another 137 were seriously injured.

    “The Chicago Tribune had the tally of the dead and injured in 1905: Of those slaughtered eleven were high school players and ten of the killed were immature boys of 17 and under. Three hardened, seasoned and presumably physically fit college men were slain. The others were amateurs. Body blows, producing internal injuries, were responsible for four deaths, concussion of the brain claimed six victims, injuries to the spine resulted fatally in three cases, blood poisoning carried off two gridiron warriors, and other injuries caused four deaths. Among the injuries that have not resulted fatally are: broken collar bones and shoulders, nineteen; broken legs, thirty-one; broken arms, nine; fractures to some portion of the head, nineteen; broken ribs, three; spinal injuries, three; concussion of the brain, three.” National athletic associations were formed the very next year due to the outcry.

    According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), seat belts have saved nearly 300,000 lives in the US since 1975.

    “Can I get a real Democrat, a real Liberal in here?” You mean one that can differentiate between John Bolton’s policies and whether or not he’s capable of being a professional and telling the truth when he sees corruption taking place. (Though to me personally he falls into the Chicken Hawk variety of Republican given his lack of courage at actually testifying in front of the House.} You mean one that can recognize the fact that nearly every country that was a satellite of the USSR was clamoring to get into the EU. You mean one that knows an invasion when they see one instead of “reunification.” Ala Crimea and Ukraine, and yes Iraq and Afghanistan as well. Not to mention Viet Nam. That liberal Democrat? Yes we realize the division and dualism with the the Democratic Party. Republicans on the other hand revel in their monolithic duplicity and lack of moral courage.

    I would love to go on but given the current state of TAE it’s a lot like pissing into the wind. Relieving but not very satisfying. Long live Nicole Foss.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 25 2020 #53010

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    Yes, yes, we all know that that “paragon of circumspection,” the Trumpster, would never lower himself to base threats and inflammatory language. Nor would Senators feign outrage at what is so clearly just another baseless attack on their fearless leader in his time of personal and professional crisis. I do so hope the burden of such an outrageous maligning of the Stable Genius doesn’t drive them to a rash reaction and not consider the merits as duly sworn to….you know, God, and everybody.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 24 2020 #52976

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    Jonathan Turley at his yet again lawyerly disingenuous best. First of all, the GAO has stated that what Trump did by withholding the aid was a violation of the Impoundment Control Act. The “law of attempt” consideration has been pretty well ruled out of existence for centuries. Attempted crimes such as extortion, murder, rape, robbery, etc, are crimes. Actions were taken to be fully successful in the commission of the “crime” in question by Trump and his cohorts. Well beyond the so called “thought crime” defense being offered to confuse the issue.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 19 2020 #52813

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    Poland’s Chief Rabbi, Michael Schudrich, stated that “for us Jews, it is particularly outrageous for Putin to manipulate the tone of Lipski’s comments made in his conversation with Adolf Hitler in 1938. One shouldn’t forget Poland supported the emigration of its 10 percent Jewish minority, but it did so partly in cooperation with the Zionist movement, to which it gave clandestine military support. At the same time, however, when the Third Reich expelled thousands of Polish Jews in 1938, Polish diplomatic services, including Ambassador Lipski personally, assisted them. Accusing Lipski of antisemitism on the basis of one sentence taken out of context is extremely irresponsible.”[13]

    Professor Mariusz Wołos stated that “Lipski’s extensive legacy… has no traces of antisemitic attitude. Lipski was not an antisemite.

    Jerzy Turowicz: And I did not say that today anti-Semitism is no longer a problem for the Poles, as it remains a problem for every Christian. What I do think, however, is that the conception and the execution of the “Final Solution” was exclusively the doing of the Nazis, and I do not see why anybody else should be burdened with co-responsibility for it. It was in this sense that I said, indeed, that the Polish anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 18 2020 #52794

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    12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12 King James Version

    “Reality,” as we know it, is an extrapolation or logical conclusion/assumption based upon perceptions via the biological 5 senses and the analytical capabilities inherent to conceptualization and its cohort, the symbology of language. The vast majority of humans experience themselves/existence in exactly this same way. Otherwise known as an “Ego construct.” They “believe” in their reality and define themselves based upon their experience of their internal world. Body/mind. Also known as Narcissism.

    Religion postulates that the human state of being sees but “through a glass, darkly. Is there Being-ness apart from an ego construct? Do we “exist” in actual reality? What are the capabilities of perception in a state of Being that transcends identification with the ego state? For behold, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Luke 17:21 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

    Would one say that the Kingdom of God is a state of Reality? Or Logos, if you will. If one can actually allow the ego state of identification to “die” and be reborn will the Being state emerge with its own inherent capabilities? The capability of being able to see face to face, and the capability of real knowing even as they are known (unto themselves)?

    Also, the law is entirely based on the presumption of past events and future harm. Say, a wrongful death civil law suit “attempts” to prove a harm and culpability, and the remedy in part, is to calculate the future value of the loss both interpersonally and monetarily and ascribes a monetary value to both.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 21 2019 #52269

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    Raul, the constitution lays out the powers of congress pretty clearly, the powers of the President rather less so. In that sense the Congress is more limited in its power. Congress has the powers of the purse, advise and consent to presidential cabinet members – judges, creation of legislation, impeachment, etc. The President may be Comander-in-Chief but he does not have the power to declare war, except in extremely limited circumstances (per the constitution). Balance of power being the underlying constrictions on said constitutional powers. The constitution gives express power to impeach to the House. The congress is also elected by the people so frankly I see it as a bit of canard to imply that the President has some special dispensation as a result. The fact that it takes a super majority in the Senate to remove him from office is also a balance of power on the power of impeachment. Tripartite government is the law of the land. You needn’t worry, he’s not going to be removed because the Republicans are more concerned on how it will reflect on their re-election chances and their ability to control the reins of power than they are in the truth.

    Are the charges against Trump justified? The House gets to decide don’t they! Trump could have defended himself or allowed those requested to testify and clear his name, but chose not to. And now we are where we are, aren’t we!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 21 2019 #52266

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    Impeachment is not a legal proceeding nor does it need to follow such rules because it does not threaten life, liberty, or property, merely the removal from office. The courts have no role in the “legislation.”

    “The Supreme Court has also explained that Congress has not only the power, but the duty, to investigate so it can inform the public of the operations of government: It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. It is meant to be the eyes and the voice, and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. Unless Congress have and use every means of acquainting itself with the acts and the disposition of the administrative agents of the government, the country must be helpless to learn how it is being served; and unless Congress both scrutinize these things and sift them by every form of discussion, the country must remain in embarrassing, crippling ignorance of the very affairs which it is most important that it should understand and direct. The informing function of Congress should be preferred even to its legislative function.”

    “When the Supreme Court has considered similar issues, it held that the power to secure “needed information … has long been treated as an attribute of the power to legislate…”

    “The Supreme Court also held, “There can be no doubt as to the power of Congress, by itself or through its committees, to investigate matters and conditions relating to contemplated legislation.”

    Impeachment is legislation. One is impeached upon passage of such legislation. The House sends its Managers to the Senate to present their legislation, similar to any other in the bicameral process. The House has sole power of Impeachment. If a super majority in the Senate agrees to the articles of impeachment, the officer is removed from office. To include the President.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 13 2019 #50569

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    The notion that Putin would entertain leaving Sryia is ludicrous and laughable in the extreme and is quite simply a ploy to the unthinking that abandoning the Kurds won’t have serious credibility consequences for the U.S. It’s textbook political, tactical and strategic deception. Putin couldn’t want it more and Trump just gave it to him. By extension Trump likely keeps his investment stream in Turkey in tact.

    Russia currently has two recent 49 year leases for it’s naval and air bases in Syria’s major Mediterranean port area in the heart of the Alawite state with major construction and expansion underway. It’s also investing in expansion of two of Syria’s major military bases.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 10 2019 #50518

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    So let’s see if I have this logic right. Socialism is the bane of human existence and the quintessence of the anti-logos. California is socialist (as claimed by the Logos, feel free to correct me if I got that wrong) and therefore incapable of keeping the electricity on. Never mind that they do every other day when the wind isn’t extreme and the power lines aren’t laying on the ground sparking fires in dry tinder and forests that burn down whole towns. Saving towns (anti-logos) and socialism at work. I suppose hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, snow storms, and the resultant loss of electricity is caused by socialism also. California is a shit hole because it is socialist and 10 of the most miserable cities are there, also the largest state by population, 12%. Nine of the worst cities are in NJ. Socialist state for sure, 2.9% of US population. Midwest has 12 of the most miserable cities. Population, you do the math. The south has 19 of the most miserable cities in the country. Definitely a socialist swamp if I ever saw one, your math to do also….as per The Organic Prepper. Socialism equals misery! The Logos surely agrees, no?

    DC is the center of capitalism. At least that is where a very large share of capital goes as proffer for its, capitalism’s, maintenance and abuses like monopolization, wealth aggregation, tax loop holes, limits to regulation, ability to pollute the commons, externalization of costs onto the public, repeal of net neutrality etc, it’s a long long list. Wall Street being its home away from home. 10 richest zip codes sounds like a center of capitalism to me, ain’t no shit holes in those zip codes.

    Examples of socialism: laws, courts, police, fire departments, highways, public utilities, schools, social security, insurance, FEMA, workman’s comp, medicare, VA healthcare, labor standards, the list goes on. Societies, laws, (socialism) limit the abuses of unfettered capitalism. People organizing to determine the course of their society…socialism, also known as participatory government. Perhaps you are thinking of something besides socialism.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2019 #50488

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    “So, I’m not very optimistic they’re an example the U.S. is capable of emulating…
    IMO, the U.S. is at critical mass; internally paralyzed and open to any crazies organised enough to be effective…

    Perhaps! But I don’t believe things are altogether that different from the gilded age. Teddy Roosevelt was pretty successful at taking power away from the oligarchy. I’ll grant you however that his ascension to the presidency was a fluke. As far as being paralyzed, I guess we’ll just have to differ on that opinion.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2019 #50471

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    “Those Trump Towers are a pair of glass buildings in Istanbul that have borne Trump’s name since 2012. Trump doesn’t own the buildings—the situation might be less complicated if he did. Instead, Trump licenses his brand to the building’s actual owner, Turkish business magnate Aydin Dogan, who has been described as the single largest payer of taxes in Turkey. He’s a one-time antagonist of Erdogan who is now in step with the strongman.”

    “The conflict of interest and the way it could affect Trump’s position on important issues—or at least the perception of how it could affect his position—quickly became obvious after Trump made this comment. In June 2016, after Trump said he supported a ban on immigration by people from countries he said were associated with Islamic terrorism—he called them “terror countries”—Erdogan objected, and so did Dogan, and both threatened to remove Trump’s name from the buildings.”

    “That’s no small threat—according to personal financial disclosures filed by Trump, since he launched his bid for the presidency, he has earned somewhere between $3.2 million and $17 million in royalties from the deal. (The amounts are given in ranges; the precise figures are unclear.)”

    ” When he ran for office, Trump said he would handle conflicts of interest like this by turning over his businesses to his children. He didn’t. Instead, he simply stepped away from the daily operations of his business empire, but he retains full ownership of almost all of the assets, including the licensing company that collects royalties from Dogan.”

    To your question RELATIVE TO MY POST…I could care less who the nominee is. What I want is to see this MFer in jail. I want him impeached. I want the Senate to NOT convict because Pence would just pardon him like Ford did for Nixon. When (or IF, if you like) I want him indicted for his crimes and imprisoned.

    To V….That’s how you restore some modicum of Democracy. We could all take an example from Iceland.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2019 #50467

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    Not a rumor! Trump has a conversation with Erdogan. Immediately decides he is removing U.S. troops from Syria.

    “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump told Bannon during a Breitbart radio show. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 17 2019 #49936

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    So let me see if I have this right? This according to the European Court Press Release…

    The Hermitage Fund (Browder) has 3 subsidiaries that are taken over by Russians and subsequently apply for tax refunds and receive them from the Russian Gov. to the tune of 145 million Euros. Browder’s attorney, Magnitskiy, is then arrested as part of a criminal group accused of tax evasion after alleging fraud in said the incident. He dies in prison due to lack of “medical care.” It’s reported by the attending physician that Magnitskiy starts to behave in an aggressive fashion. He’s handcuffed and beaten with a rubber truncheon. An emergency psychiatric team is called but by the time they are admitted to the prison he is dead.

    Four years later Magnitskiy is convicted posthumously of tax evasion. The European court found it credible that he was beaten to death but an investigation by the Russian Gov. found no persons chargeable in his death.

    So the entire assertion of credibility regarding the Russian Gov. and therefore the denial of one essential complaint of wrongful detention by Magnitskiy’s family is that Magnitskiy was being investigated for tax evasion prior to the charges of fraud alleged by him with regard to the take over of the subsidiaries of the Hermitage Fund. The European Court could find nothing to the contrary about Magnitskiy’s alleged crimes some 12 years later.

    What a crock of BS.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 13 2019 #49843

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    It’s most certainly a pig, cloven hoofs and all. And more appropriate to the Trump/Mnuchin 100 year bond/negative interest rate proposals. Just needs a bit-o-lipstick.

    https://www.wikiart.org/en/tag/pigs#!#filterName:all-works,viewType:masonry

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2019 #48270

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    I’m not exactly sure what it is that you say is not being discussed about an economy being out of balance when that’s pretty much all Bernie and Elizabeth Warren talk about. As does AOC in her House questioning putting on full display how the rules allow and in fact support corruption in Congress.

    You can buy that watch on Ebay all day long for $138 and if you’ll notice in the photo of her, everyone was wearing white and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a $1000 outfit. God forbid a pretty woman running for Congress would dress stylishly. And by the way, the press takes pictures of AOC in a vein similar to most celebrities. Children in prison camps, not so much.

    in reply to: Concentration Camps #48187

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    Ilargi, I appreciated your article and the depth of the better aspects of humanity to which it speaks. I’ve been to Amsterdam many times and have of course read The Diary of Anne Frank. I’ve been to her hiding place that is now a museum and in fact had a lengthy conversation standing in line to get in with a woman who’s family had been friends with the Frank family when they lived in Frankfurt, IIRC. Perhaps just in that her story becomes ever so slightly a bit more personal to me. Miep Gies actions speak to the courage that underpins most of what can be considered noble in human beings.

    Whether AOC used the right words or not in reference to camps for migrant detainees or not is debatable. What’s not debatable is that it certainly focused attention on just one aspect of a crisis that is in dire need of some solutions. A subject a little more lengthy than I care to address at the moment but blowback, greed and corruption are words that come to the fore. What makes AOC so appealing to many is her courage, her passion and her dedication to the common individual. Something world desperately needs more examples of.

    These are the numbers of the last 3 administrations before Trump with regard to Deportations.

    Clinton: 12,290,905
    Bush: 10,328,850
    Obama: 5,281,115

    What’s higher for Obama is removals that are based on crimes. See the graph in the link below.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

    in reply to: Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran #48127

    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    The Shah was installed in 1941 by the British and the Russians as I said. Moseddeq was elected to the Iranian parliament in 1944 and was able to get passage of legislation to nationalize the oil industry and the Shah was effectively forced to appoint him as Premier (prime minister) in 1951. The Shah fled the country for a few days in an attempted coup by Mossedeq in 1953. Mossedeq’s opponents, with the help of the British and the US, were able to restore the Shah back to power pretty much immediately. Mossedeq was convicted of treason and imprisoned for 3 years and then kept under house arrest until his death.

    The Shah was the US and Britain’s man in Iran as I believe history attests to as well as a brutal dictator, but the US did not install him beyond their efforts as a participant in defeating an attempted coup by Mossedeq.

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