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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle November 4 2021 #91550
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    Adrian,

    Once a few celebrities and congress critters start taking dirt naps, then it’ll begin to dawn on people. Going through the Kubler-Ross thing will be a sight to behold, though. I’d like to be happy about that, but it’s a far too grim prospect for that.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 4 2021 #91541
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    Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant (equivalent to the Guardian) published this unbelievably disingenuous article today:

    Top athlete at risk of heart damage after corona infection

    “More than 4 percent of Dutch top athletes suffer heart damage as a result of a corona infection. This is the conclusion of a national survey by the Amsterdam UMC [University Medical Centre]. It is reassuring that the heart defect has not yet caused a heart rhythm disorder in any of the athletes.”

    https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/topsporter-loopt-risico-op-hartschade-na-corona-infectie~bf9c8b83/ (Dutch, paywall)

    The commentariat on Twitter weren’t to be fooled, though, with page after page of people saying variations on “Corona infection should read vaccine.”

    4% is appalling already and should be setting alarm bells ringing and sirens blaring, but nobody with any power cares. Who knows whether it stops there or whether it only affects top athletes? Meanwhile hospital beds and ERs everywhere are rapidly filling up with heart patients, so I certainly don’t think we’ve seen the last of this.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 3 2021 #91471
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    RIM, here’s a couple of links:

    GGD [health service] employee: more vaccinated people test positive and are sicker than unvaccinated people

    “Oct 31, 2021 | General, Vaccination?
    I have been working for the GGD as a source and contact investigation employee since spring 2021. Over time I started to notice more and more that I mainly had vaccinated people on the phone who tested positive.
    I then started keeping track of whether the index (the one that is infected) that I had to call is vaccinated or not vaccinated. I kept this up for a while with the result: 82% of those who tested positive that I had to call were vaccinated!
    I also noticed that vaccinated people have more serious complaints than unvaccinated, unless the unvaccinated have an underlying disease. Often the unvaccinated have symptoms for a few days but not very much, and in the vaccinated it took longer for the symptoms to go away (which were often worse).
    I’ve stopped tracking now, but it looks like it’s stayed the same or even gotten a little worse.”

    https://zorgmedewerkersverenigd.nl/ggd-medewerker-meer-gevaccineerden-testen-positief-en-zijn-zieker-dan-ongevaccineerden/

    “ Hereby the update of the number of vaccinated and non-vaccinated admitted patients over the whole of October.
    The share of vaccinated continues to rise to more than 60%. Even if vaccines protect well against hospitalization, this is to be expected with the high vaccination rate in Nijmegen.”

    I’ve seen another one from the university hospital in Maastricht claiming something like 80%, too, it was on Twitter so I don’t know if I’ll be able to find it again

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 3 2021 #91469
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    Yesterday, nominally in order to slow down the rate of hospital admissions, the government announced the reintroduction of the measures known to be useless in combatting a respiratory virus i.e. face coverings and social distancing (1.5m = 5 feet), but still no word on prevention through vitamins and minerals, and no early treatments. In other words, pure window dressing. At the same time they announced harsh new measures against the unjabbed, excluding them from gyms, swimming pools and other places. If things don’t improve soon (they won’t) then additional measures will be taken against the unjabbed such as requiring a QR code to go to work.

    The minister for health continues to say that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, but refuses to prove it with actual numbers. Meanwhile plenty of hospitals have gone on the record saying that they have up to 80% jabbed on their wards, which is the opposite of what the minister is claiming. In other words, he’s lying and plenty of people see that he is.

    The whole point of this is clearly to get as many jabs into as many arms as possible and hang the consequences. The question is obviously “why?” Although there are likely to be many aspects to this, my best guess at the moment is that the government, following the EU’s lead, signed contracts with the vaccine manufacturers without reading the small print. The minister has refused to release the contents of the contracts to parliament, which is highly unusual, so clearly he is doing everything he can to cover his donkey as there’s probably a clause in there where it’s stated that at least 90% (say) of the population must be jabbed or else…

    Here is quite a good article on the same subject by Robert Bridge:

    Why is the EU keeping the details of its contracts with vaccine makers secret from its MEPs?

    “…it seems that few bureaucrats in Brussels have purchased a new home, used car or some newfangled device lately, because that’s exactly what these bumbling fools have done. In an effort to ‘protect the health of their constituents,’ they bought millions of batches of Covid vaccines from various pharmaceutical companies without letting lawmakers sneak a peek at the contracts.

    As it turns out, entire pages of these documents – the few that have been made public, that is – have been heavily redacted.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 2 2021 #91424
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    Indian Television Exposes How Pfizer Bullies and Blackmails Countries for COVID Shots – “Desperate Countries force to Make Humiliating Concessions”

    “A non-profit organization called Public Citizen obtained a confidential unredacted Pfizer contract of some of its negotiations. The contracts show how Pfizer can stop countries from speaking about its contracts, block vaccine donations, unilaterally change delivery schedules and demand public assets as collateral.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/explosive-revelation-indian-television-exposes-pfizer-bullies-blackmails-countries-covid-shots-video/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 2 2021 #91409
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    Germ, I watched the Cottrell video and t don’t know what to make of it. I found it basically believable because it explains a lot of what we are seeing happening, yet it doesn’t explain why governments around the world, in the west, but also China and Russia are not embracing ivermectin, fluvoxamine, etc. It doesn’t make much sense if the whole idea is to guess the next mutation while the rest of the immune system gets down-regulated leaving everyone open to other infections, cancers and the rest. The point is made in the video that this makes military sense when considering the soldiers (although I would say that this is true only in the relatively short term), but for the general population it’s a disaster.

    Also missing was what the best thing to do is to protect yourself and your loved ones. Perhaps that’ll be in the next video.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 1 2021 #91351
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    As for the official language of the EU, we’re talking about the lingua franca which is Latin for “French tongue,” meaning English.

    In terms of sheer numbers, German wins easily as between Germany and Austria there are more than 90 million speakers within the EU, French comes in second at around 70 million, but practically no one outside of D and A would want German to become the official language.

    Speaking of Latin, French newspaper Le Figaro (English version) wrote a piece recently suggesting that with the Brits out, Latin should be the official language. There could be plenty of advantages to doing that (see article) except that Europeans can’t agree on how it should be pronounced. Is it sisser-o, kicker-o, cheecher-o or theether-o?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 1 2021 #91349
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    Oxymoron, to use one of Dr Phil’s expressions, De Niro is going to be eating a lot of snot.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 30 2021 #91206
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    if she is in Germany, can someone tell me why she is speaking in English?

    She’s in Brussels, I believe, addressing the parliament of the United States of Europe, so obviously she speaks in English. ^\/(“)\/^

    in reply to: Deb Rattle October 29 2021 #91118
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    The narrative is crumbling. Our health minister has been called out repeatedly by other MPs for not being transparent (for instance about the unjabbed/jabbed percentages in hospitals and ICUs) and spreading misinformation aka lies.

    Here’s a press conference held in the European Parliament yesterday, the vaccine passports are being shown for what they are, a method of control, not health, and against the best interests of the European citizens:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 28 2021 #91041
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    Looks like Vanden Bossche called it again:

    The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency.”

    A.30 Variant of Concern

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 28 2021 #91032
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    “Japan Drops Vax Rollout, Goes To Ivermectin, Ends Covid Almost Overnight”

    No country seems to be looking at what the Japanese are getting right. Even if the west is hamstrung by strangulation contracts with Pfizer et al,, why aren’t the Russians or even the Chinese doing what they do in Japan?

    Whatever the actual protocol is, it clearly works, but according to OWID the Japanese did not stop the rollout of the “vaccines”, just Moderna, as numbers of jabbed continued to increase over the last couple of months and they now have one of the most jabbed populations in the world. They would seem to believe in shot plus early treatment.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 25 2021 #90794
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    Germ,

    That’s a good video in #90782, do you have a link to it I could share with some people I know who aren’t quite sheep?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 25 2021 #90787
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90035
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    “If your particular “circle of friends and acquaintances” hasn’t seen a spike of severe injuries, disability and mortality yet — I’ll make a prediction: It will.”

    This is what a lot of us – certainly, I am – worrying about. If Denninger is right, as seems likely, we should expect to see celebrities and public figures in the news with medical problems. There has been a couple here, but not enough that couldn’t be considered abnormal. Bill Clinton apparently has sepsis, is that related? Who knows, but it is the kind of thing we might start seeing more of in the coming months.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 12 2021 #89806
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    Excess mortality per age group in the EU for the first 39 weeks in 2021 compared to the same period in 2020:

    15-40 years:
    2020: 2258
    2021: 4046 +79%

    41-64 years:
    2020: 13489
    2021: 28645 +112%

    65-75 years:
    2020: 29796
    2021: 46796 +57%

    Source: euromomo.eu

    The increases started around May, just about the same time the vaccine roll-out really got underway. Odd that.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 10 2021 #89680
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    “Only if the deaths grow out of hand, and the heart- and brain problems, the narrative may be hard to hold on to.”

    This is what’s bothering me, because it looks like the only way the madness is going to stop is if the bodies start piling up and that’s not something I’m prepared to wish for. However, the way it’s looking, that is a very likely scenario for late autumn and as we head into winter. I’m also expecting a large number of celebrity deaths and I think that that would end the narrative more quickly than just lots of dead plebs.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89591
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    I think this really is very close to the truth:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89230
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    What happens to your immune system after you get the shots? Spoiler alert, nothing good.

    VP, in light of your anecdote, you especially might want to watch this:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2021 #89188
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    @John
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    Thanks for the moral support the other day for the fact that I will no longer be allowed at my office without a corona pass. I’m luckier than you though, I can work from home. I should be able to get tested and go on site occasionally, too, although I don’t like that option too much either. Still, at least I get to keep my job unlike you. I hope for you and everyone else in the same situation that things work out soon, I’ve a feeling they just have to as there are more cracks showing in the narrative every day.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2021 #89178
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    Bravo userzoid! I’ve given up arguing with IVM-deniers, perhaps the only thing likely to convince them is an unhealthy dose of the ‘rona despite being double or triple jabbed, unless they’d prefer some intravenous Remdesevir.

    Instead of forever banging the “IVM don’t work” drum, why doesn’t deflat come up with something to prove that the jabs really are the best way to go? I asked him/her exactly that a few weeks back, but all I got was crickets.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2021 #89142
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89030
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    So it happened, the director general of the organization where I work has decreed that because the euphemistically named green pass is mandatory for companies in Italy where we also have offices, from 15 October the “green pass” will also be required to enter the Dutch site. Never mind that it’s illegal in Holland.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89026
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    What is happening on the ground in Israel:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 30 2021 #88878
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    @DarkMatter

    Look like we’re on exactly the same page. Is it possible that the shots leave some people (many, most?) entirely unharmed? I think it’s unlikely but I can’t and really don’t want to rule it out as a possibility since everyone I know and everyone I love has been jabbed. My best guess at the moment though is that all the “vaccinated” will have their life expectancy reduced by an unknown amount.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 30 2021 #88866
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    I haven’t been going into my place of work much for the last 18 months but I spent a full day there today and it was quite busy. The friends and colleagues I met are all convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vaccines are both effective and that they will put an end to the pandemic. Their conviction is so complete that there really was no point in trying to sow any doubt in their minds, it would just not compute.

    This is what we’re up against, I see it every day on social media too. Most people are blissfully unaware of any problems with the vaccines, the surrendering of freedoms the corona pass entails, the link with the digital wallet, climate lockdowns and social credit system that are just around the corner. My colleagues have no idea what is about to hit them, and these are really intelligent people working in a demanding high-tech area. If even they can’t be reached then what chance does the general public have?

    It’s depressing because what can you do?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 29 2021 #88782
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    Many of us thought of this already and now @parsifaler aka Walter Chesnut would appear to have found the mechanism by which the spike protein accelerates ageing.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1443218331138498564.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 27 2021 #88267
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    I’m not so sure that we can dismiss Marek’s so easily. To get it going we only need a large pool of jabbed separated from the unjabbed, what the rest of the world is doing doesn’t matter. We’re doing that right now in Holland which has the same population density as New Jersey but here two thirds of the population lives in the western third of the country, so it’s actually a lot worse. As you say, Russel, the shots are crap, but that’s part of the problem. Once a variant turns up which can escape the shots, it will be able to run through the jabbed population like wildfire if there are hardly any unjabbed to act as a sink and if it’s gone full “Marek’s,” it’ll rip through the unjabbed, too.

    Happy to be proved wrong!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 27 2021 #88254
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    With all our governments pushing harder and harder to get everyone jabbed, I can’t help thinking that they’re actually doing this deliberately, not to eliminate C19, but rather they’re hoping and praying that a human Marek’s disease will soon come into existence. For them, this would be a tidy solution for what to do with the free-thinkers and mavericks who steadfastly refused to be inoculated since they will either have to knuckle under and get the shot after all or be wiped out by C19+. Meantime all the sheeple will have to go for boosters forever if they’re not to succumb, too. A win-win for TPTB.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 25 2021 #88115
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    I notice that apart from Dr. D. being AWOL, also V. Arnold has failed to put in an appearance today, so let me comment on the art in his place, which I find absolutely inspirational; the way Homer has captured the shimmering water with just a few simple brush strokes is simply stunning.

    In other news, today is day one of the fascist corona pass to access cafés, restaurants, museums etc. in my normally so wonderfully tolerant country of the Netherlands. I think it’s an absolute disgrace to discriminate and divide the people and to pretend it’s all about health as our (out of office, nota bene) government has done, even though this runs counter to the very first article of the constitution! Just what is the point of having a king if he can’t stand up to such an egregious abuse of power when it matters? No doubt he’s off with his chums shooting wild boar and deer at the moment on public property which he’s closed off specially for the next three months.

    Nuremberg 2.0 can’t come quickly enough as far as I am concerned and if the French have a guillotine or two they’re not using at the moment then perhaps they wouldn’t mind lending them to us.

    /rant-off

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 25 2021 #88092
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    What happened to Dr. D? I miss my daily portion of disparaging sardonic irony with a large side of acerbic sarcasm.

    in reply to: Crickets #88016
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    Another useful contribution, Ilargi, thank you. Gradually, I think inroads are being made and more people are catching on to the fact that the “narrative” just doesn’t add up. Tomorrow the corona pass gets introduced here even though the government’s own criteria (number of hospitalizations, R0) say it’s not necessary. There should be a big demo in The Hague tomorrow.

    One minor quibble with your piece: killing a small number of people can be called murder; killing several dozen people (e.g. Anders Breivik) is mass murder; killing hundreds of thousands or millions is a whole level worse. Let’s call the beast by its proper name: genocide.

    in reply to: Crickets #88015
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    Typical BBC, Germ, that’s why I’ve been avoiding them for getting on for 15 years now, e.g.: “It’s not the lockdowns which caused the problem, it’s the lifting of the restrictions, wot dunnit.” Just pathetic.

    Then there’s the ever so friendly and helpful Dr Philippa with all the useful advice you couldn’t possibly have thought of yourself unless you’re not actually educationally subnormal ”Her recommendation is to have “loads of fluids and rest, over-the-counter simple painkillers for headaches and aches and pains.
    “Even simple things like honey in a hot drink can help ease a sore throat.”
    Thank you Dr Obvious. How about vitamins C and D, zinc maybe?

    It beggars belief.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 24 2021 #87979
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    It’s Ruechel again with a monster essay. It’s really clear and explains very well why the very worst things we could do to get over the virus are what our governments forced on us: lockdowns, masks, social distancing, ultra hygiene, suppression of early treatments and vaccines. Vaccinating nearly everybody is pretty much bound to lead to a human type of Marek’s disease and then we’re all screwed, vaxxed and unvaxxed alike. If you’re unjabbed the super variant will kill you and if you’re jabbed you’ll have to get boosters every five months – playing Russian roulette with the side effects each time – or die.

    https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2021 #87737
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    I have to agree with the idea of talking about adverse reactions being taboo, although it may be even worse than that. There is absolutely nothing about adverse reactions on the MSM here, and we don’t have the equivalent of Fox News, so most people are completely oblivious to there possibly being any problems.

    I was round at friends a couple of weeks ago and they had no idea at all that there might be anything wrong with the shots. I showed them the EudraVigilance numbers and they flat out refused to believe them. So, yes, any adverse events that do show up they won’t attribute to the jabs. If ADE really does kick off in the autumn they’re going to be in for a very rude awakening, along with the rest of the country.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2021 #87703
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    @oroboros

    I wasn’t thinking of deaths, just serious vax reactions. I can take the exact same logic and apply it to Covid and I get a similar result; I don’t know anyone who died of it (yet) and I don’t even know of anyone who was hospitalized with it. I know plenty of people who had it and they ranged from having cold-like symptoms (like I had) through to pretty bad flu symptoms lasting up to ten days plus four to six weeks to feel fully normal again.

    There are 2,500 people where I work and although I know nowhere near all of them, typically news used to get around. Due to the lockdowns and working from home my contact has been greatly reduced.

    So, yes, I agree that me not knowing anyone with a severe reaction doesn’t mean they don’t exist, that’s actually why I asked the question, to widen my field of view.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2021 #87688
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    Although I am fully aware of the numbers of adverse reactions and deaths in the databases of VAERS, EudraVigilance and the MHRA Yellow Card system, I have to say that I don’t personally know anyone (yet) who has actually had a severe reaction to the jabs. That’s despite everyone around me being fully vaxxed with either Pfizer (the most) or AstraZeneca, plus I know one person who had the Janssen jab. Only one I know didn’t experience flu-like symptoms (aches and pains, fever), some of those were quite bad for a day or two.

    In addition, I haven’t even heard of people talking about others who had problems. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any, just that they either don’t know or didn’t tell me.

    I wonder how this compares with everyone else’s experience here?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87477
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    Well, I tried being more direct in my approach to the believers,saying that the jabs don’t work and they’re dangerous, but as several commenters told me, it doesn’t change anything. Believers gonna believe.

    Case in point, I had my annual medical at work during the week and of course the doctor asked me if I’d had the shot. When I told her that I hadn’t she asked me why and I said that I’d had C19 and therefore already had the best immunity there is. She seemed to accept it and I should have left it there, instead I blurted out that the jabs don’t work and that they’re dangerous. “Oh but they do work,” she said, “and very well, too!”
    I tried to argue, you know, using facts, but she was having none of it and refused to discuss further.

    This is from a recent ZH article, about the qualities the believers have. It seems about right to me:

    1. Smugness. An absolute, unwavering, and arrogantly condescending attitude toward all non-woke opinions. While a trait in itself, it is related to number 2.

    2. Lack of introspection. No trace of self-questioning or apparent inner monologue. No sense of fairness or understanding of relative opinion.

    3. Quickness to anger. Willingness to not only voice their opinion on any occasion, with anyone, even when outnumbered, but to do so angrily. A willingness to cut off any friend or family member who won’t comply with woke belief.

    4. Nihilist atheism. They will rant a lot about science, while at the same time ignoring science that doesn’t comply with their beliefs. They tend to assume you are dogmatically religious if you don’t agree with them. They will cling to a strongly negative nihilism believing that everything is ultimately hopeless, and that it is sardonic hubris to do or believe in anything (which ties into number 6).

    5. Dishonesty. They are willing to be openly dishonest to further their viral ideas. If they lose a point in an argument, they move on to a new point, never acknowledging or acquiescing that a point was lost. When all attack points are used, personal attacks begin. The past is a blank slate open to revision.

    6. Self-absorbed. This one took me a while to notice, but it seems a give-away idiosyncrasy that you are dealing with a woke-infection if the person has become abnormally self-centered, and in conversation, does not so much reciprocate, as talk about themselves, always positive or self-aggrandizing, often unrealistically. They may also insert self-pity, it seems to generally exacerbate a need for attention-seeking.

    7. Depression, low self-worth, anxiety. This one I also only noticed recently, it is likely the subconscious result of numbers 4 and 6 in particular. Any genuine personal questioning of the subject usually reveals deep worries and angst, and often mental health issues.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/7-signs-your-friend-or-family-member-has-fallen-victim-woke-mind-virus

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87475
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    https://commonsensetv.nl/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/NL1007_2.jpg

    Civil disobedience, because you can’t change the game by keeping to the rules.

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