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@ orboros good points but I think the comp is off. Revolutions happen in periods of growth which is certainly not what we are in. A better comp for us is the decline of the Roman Empire or the Soviet Union. Basically the elite get more and more removed from reality that they end up in an delusional enclave while everyone else moves on and gets down to the work of surviving or they join up with barbarians or get killed in sporadic outbursts of violence. The salaried class of today are the delusional elite and as you say they are easily bought off but there is less and less of them every day. As the system jettisons them they get more and more hysterical and will bend over backwards to maintain membership in the group (see covid shots). Look at india to get a better grasp of the actual global outlook. An ancient country and culture just looked at covid and shrugged it off its gigantic shoulders. Same with a lot of Asian countries because they are big and poor they don’t care as much. I remember being blown away in Vietnam by the level of self sufficiency and ingenuity of the average person and was embarrassed at how hopeless we are in the west.
Madamski and upstate yeah van den bossche. I dunno I understand his argument but I think it’s risky to push it too hard in case it backfires and it all fizzles out, they change the test and covid miraculously disappears and the ‘Vaccines saved the day’ narrative is pumped endlessly opening the door for more and more experimental shots for different maladies.
Are we falling into the same trap as the true believers by buying into the mass die off thing? I think it should always be kept in mind that in our collective mythical western psych very often we think of the future as either utopia or apocalypse. I’m starting to worry the VDB might be a mole. If there are people out there yelling everyone is going to die, and then it doesn’t happen, it will discredit more than just the die off narrative. I just think that the unpredictable nature of fiddling with complex systems means that even if the shots were meant to do large scale damage they will behave in unexpected ways, just as if they were meant to be beneficial.
Is it just a case of collective insanity? Another feature of our myth is that we ride to the rescue of our issues with a new technological invention. Orlov made a funny point about how when the US went into space they spent a heap of money inventing pens that could operate in zero gravity, while the Russians just took pencils. The narrative about renewable energy tech is of the same bent. I dunno. No doubt there could be a plan afoot but what would a history looking back 500 years in the future say of this time?
@ archie who is saying that? Worrying about scaling up to a global scale is a waste of time, a left over from the rapidly ending fossil fuel period. There is no more ‘scaling up’, just different rates of scaling down. We all know the enormous issues facing us but we can’t control 99% of them so why worry about it. Focus on your local scale where you can actually do something, that’s the whole point. The only way systemic change happens is from the ground up, that’s seen everywhere at all scales in all systems. Being all doom and gloom doesn’t help and certainly doesn’t convince anyone that your side is one people want to be on. If it does come to violence so be it but focusing on that leads to a paralysing fatalism that is a hindrance rather than a help. Even if all we end up being is lifeboats among a sea of destruction at least that’s something. If a roving war band comes and kills everyone well that’s just how history goes, at least we will go down standing on our feet. The fear of death or the end of something is what is leading us into all this mess best to jettison it because nothin we can do bout it.
@ polder, I sympathise but we have honestly 100s of years of evidence that it doesn’t work and just hardens the response, as ezlxa says. The response can sometimes harden so much that the military is bought in and it’s a massacre. It just gives them ammo to use against us and as I said comes from a position of weakness where we have no negotiating power. The goal should be for the government to ask us what we want, rather than us demand things from them. We have to set the example for those who are cowering in fear or wrapped up in the new religion, by making our lives so fun and happy that they can’t help but join in. David Holmgren used to say this about the climate protesters, that it’s way more fun to create the world you do want than to constantly fight the one you don’t. It’s not just sticking it to the man by resisting the covid narrative, it’s actually more FUN, as you don’t have to wear a mask, jab yourself, or stay inside. Plus why go back to that shitty office job? Come with us to the farm/garden/party!
I think what we have to come to terms with is that the things they are taking away like travel and entertainment were going to go anyway due to declining resources trimming the fat back to necessities. The while point of the permaculture/self sufficiency/automatic earth movement was to be prepared for moments like this, to shed as many dependencies on the system as possible so it doesn’t hold the same power over you. Putting our dependcies back into our household, family and community is the way to go. The start of this Web site was imploring people to get out of debt, as having debt is one of the biggest leashes you can have. It’s much easier to tell your employer to suck it when you don’t have a big mortgage on your head. It is also much easier to do so when you have intact families and communities rather than atomised individuals. That’s why it’s so important to get out and talk, to start building things from the ground up. Let’s see this as an opportunity and act accordingly.
Although I sympathise with the my fellow Australian protesters and those all over the world, I feel it’s the wrong strategy. It comes from a position of weakness and never really achieves anything except a feeling of solidarity amongst the protesters which granted can have its own benefits. We had huge protests against the Iraq war but we still went. By doing these protests they are inviting the government to crack down and spin a narrative about them, which we are predictably seeing in Australia. Once the system decides to do something even a majority being against it can’t necessarily turn it around.
I feel the best way to protest lockdowns, masks, jabs etc is to just ignore them. Just live our lives, congregate, party, associate, create. Obviously a lot of things are closed, but we can create new ways to come together. Nothing wrong with 15,000 going down the park for the day of merriment and daring the cops to arrest all of them. The media won’t report on any of this because it doesn’t fit the narrative but I see the beginnings of it going on everywhere. And then when the crackdown comes, you win, just like Gandhi said.
@ezlxa I have thought that the extreme glacial pace at which the aus gov is putting the shots out may mean we have a silent hero somewhere in government haha. The slower the roll out the longer we have for it become blazingly obvious that they don’t work and are extremely dangerous. The longer the delay the better. I’m 99.94% sure I’m wrong but here’s hoping.
I find it amusing that they are trying to whip up animosity against the unvaxxed for covid when the unvaxxed on average are far more likely to be more self sufficient, rural and armed than the vaxxed. This isn’t like urban ghetto populations that can easily rounded up. This is more like pissing off the very people that uphold the traditional cultural fabric of a country (fly over America, Greek orthodox church, France and it’s indefatigable spirit of liberty etc). Thank God for the Greek Church. The equivalents in the west are completely spinless.
@upstae nyorker alot of the oldies here watch the state news channel religiously and would jump off a cliff if it told them too. It basically is coming down to who watches legacy television or not. A lot of the younger people don’t watch it and get their news from internet sources or don’t watch it at all so a far less likely to follow the official line. And as I mentioned the city/country divide. Young urbanites are all masking and lining up for the shot but not so in the country. It is probably the same dynamic as America but the urban population massively outnumbers the rural population here. However, as rural folk are the only people that the government allows to be heavily armed it probably evens out. What a lot of Australians probably don’t realise is that one of our only constitutional guarantees is that of preventing civil conscription of medical services which basically translates into government can’t force medicine on anyone because treatment is always and forever a private contract between doctor and patient (pesky ancient common law strikes again). Hence the insane push for people to voluntarily get the shot and to pressure employees to encourage it. Plus you can always indemnify your employee re any side affects up to and including death.
Mm as others have mentioned reality on the ground in Aus is different from what the media portray. I think in the cities there is much more belief in the whole narrative and they all seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Amongst the boomers who spend all day watching the ABC it is also jab me as quick as possible, but in the regional areas of the most locked down states there is a simmering current of anger at the government, especially anyone under 50 as the suicide rate is climbing rapidly from all the lockdowns. I personally know three people who killed themselves this week while no one died of covid. The Eureka flag is starting to fly from buildings. There is already a level of anger with the government because of issues regarding the privatisation of iriigation water and it feels like a bubbling powderkeg. So please don’t take the urban insanity as representative of us. Urban Australians are some of the most rabid believers in globalism, cosmopolitanism and progress, so be kind because their belief system is crashing down around them. Many of them are more intimate with the streets of Paris and London than the songs of our native bird life.
If one does a study of the history of vaccines and Western medicine in general, one will quickly realise that what is going on is merely par the course. The reason for the over the top clot shot push is probably not depopulation or sterilising, although it could be, but merely to wipe out the control group. Vaccines have always been pushed as hard as possible for this reason because then any side effects can be deflected as everyone is suffering from them. There has never been serious double blind studies on the actual overall health benefit of most childhood vaccines, especially regarding autoimmune disorders like eczema and asthma because it is deemed unethical. Even the polio shot, heralded as the breakthrough child saviour, was prone to data fudging and very bad side effects, as well as a redefinition of what polio is. In Western countries, the overall chronic health of children is much worse now than it was in the sixties, and although there is probably a myriad of reasons for this, science has always refused to do serious long term study of the role of vaccines. If you jab every child, then you deflect blame. Sure the they are acutely much safer than these covid shots and have played a role in reducing the rate of childhood disease, but on a long term chronic evel it is unknown how dangerous they are. The autism thing is probably a poisoning the well deflection, whereas the insane rise in asthma, eczema and allergies deserves investigation.
Plus it is impossible to predict the non linear results of meddling with complex systems. Like the virus itself, humans will mutate and respond to any attempt to kill or sterilise them. Their will be some who are immune to the jabs effects and may even become hyper fertile or hyper immune. It’s impossible to know so implementing a die off or sterilisation via jab is dumb, but they are dumb so who knows.
@mister Roboto I think the crazy response by Aus is due to a number of reasons. As an island, all we had to do was close the borders to travellers and returning citizens and it’s game over for the virus. The five eyes likes to use Aus and NZ as a testing ground for policies they plan to implement elsewhere, which are always more difficult to put into place in the US because of its pesky constitution/bill of rights and the size, diversity and general unruliness of its population. I also think that we are all running short on distillates (diesel), and locking down is a great way to conserve it for freight, industry and agriculture without fessing up to the real problem. The fact that each state in Aus is taking very noticeable turns locking down should be a massive red flag to indicate that the lockdowns have nothing to do with Covid. I have a background in law, and the state border closures are actually a massive fuck you to the Aus constitution but the High Court and Federal government has been shitting all over it for the last 100 years so it’s not surprising.
The thing about Aus though is that it is a huge and wild place with a heavily urbanised population, and if you don’t live in the cities the government is limited in what it can do. The area where I live has two police officers that have to cover a spread out rural population of 10,000 so any enforcement of restrictions is limited and has mostly been non existent over the past two years. If you didn’t watch the news you wouldn’t have known anything was going on except that people are wearing funny masks. Australia’s cities have always been wealth pumps of Empire, first towards London and then toward Washington, and they currently represent cancerous growths of globalisation on the continent rather than shining beacons of culture and urbanism. The have always faced outwards toward the rest of world rather than inward towards the heart of the continent, desperately longing for international approval without realising that we live in one of the most magical and ancient places on earth. The rush to urban lockdown may be something like a kow tow to the established international religion in which they are some of the worlds most devout believers, while there rest of us look on with a certain dark humour. Many Australian urbanites know more about the layout of London and Paris than the names for their own rivers, or what the beautiful, mournful song of the pied butcherbird sounds like. Many of them delight in the at the size and majesty of the Californian redwoods, without even knowing that the native mountain ash grows just as tall and in the past even taller.
This is what I try to explain to my urban vegan friends and it falls on deaf ears. Eating meat is actually more sustainable in temperate and colder climates due to the inputs required for grain crops and the complete reset of the ecological succession that occurs each year with grain and vegetable farming. You are basically stripping the production of the paddock every year and shipping it elswhere, while by eating the cattle and sheep you are merely scraping the nutrient cyclers off the top, while also getting more concentrated nutrition.
If you want to be a sustainable vegan or vegetarian, move to the tropics or subtropics where you can grow things year round in your own garden. Note the the great vegetarian civilizations like india and to a lesser extent mexico are located in these climates.I’m an organic farmer in Australia, and although we have our own challenges, mainly the utter infertility of most of the soil and therefore terrifying dependence on fossil fuel fertilizers for grain production in a mostly dry climate, we do have some advantages regarding meat eating for the tough times ahead. Our winter is very mild so no need to house animals, we have enormous areas where livesrock can roam and be mustered if need be on horseback annually, and we also have large wild populations of kangaroo, deer, pig, camel and water buffalo that if need be can also be harvested by the millions to feed humans. We also have large feral inland fish stocks that could fulfill a similar role. Finally our extremely flammable and abundant native eucalypt flora which is dangerous if you live in amongst it in very infertile areas such as mountains and coasts is actually a godsend on the more fertile agricultural plains as you can use wood to power a lot of things including combustion vehicles if you have the know how. This would never work in the city due to pollution and amount of wood required but for a small rural community is a useful method.
After driving across the USA in 2017 I marveled at the amount of water in the eastern half of the country and was jealous of the fertility of the soils. I think there are potential mid to large scale food solutions to be found there, especially amongst the highly productive river valleys of the Mississippi, Missouri and Ohio. Although the population of the country is undoubtedly too big, I think once everything gets shaken out parts of the country will bounce back on a local scale and I wouldnt be surprised if the population density and large scale human enterprise is focused along these river valleys like it was before European colonization (although I will be long dead).
Thanks for the grafting info John, I have a bunch of Avocado seedlings that popped up in the garden but if left ungrafted who knows what sort of fruit they will produce.
With current events, I’m struggling to reach any other conclusion but that all the chaos has emergent properties and is a systemic reaction to declining energy and resource levels per person. Although it’s easy to think that some group or another is pulling the strings behind all of this, I think it is just various parties taking advantage as opportunities present themselves, and that the overall momentum of events is beyond anybody’s control. Perhaps it is a pulse in the system as it winds down to a lower state of energy consumption, and what all this basically amounts to is (brutally) trimming the fat of system. If it follows the usual system pattern we will go through a series of crises then adjust to a new lower level of complexity, before another set of crises drive as to a new lower level. So on and so forth for the next 300 years or so until we bottom out in a new dark age. Perhaps then a new civilization will build something on the ruins, but it will be very different to ours as they will not have access to millions of years of stored solar.
Yes the Whitlam dismissal was the end of the Australian governments flirt with independence. Any other country with some sort of passion and care would have rose up in protest and revolt but Australia mostly just shrugged. One needs to look no further than our pathetic embarrassment of a flag to get a picture for how pathetic our federal government is. But just because the halls of power in Canberra are the lackeys of empire does not mean the people of this country are, and in fact a majority of us detest it as much as anyone else. 70%-80% of Australians were opposed to joining the Iraq war but our government went anyway, and there are other solid majorities on a variety of issues that our government simply ignores (like what the government does to refugees). Why? The government knows that most Australians have it good and wont really challenge some of the highest living standards in the world. Plus constant high immigration keeps everyone bewildered and divided.
But Australia is huge, and the tentacles don’t penetrate a whole lot into the interior. Out here a new identity is very slowly forming, one of a fusion of cultures that is embracing the deep indigenous love for the ecology in the face of 200 years of imperial looting. It’s what the colonial government has always feared the most, the whites going black and embracing an Australian culture rather than a European one. But it’s happening and something new is coming down the pipe.
