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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle July 9 2022 #111253
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    “Sanctions targeting food and energy are economic weapons of mass destruction. They hit innocent people the worst. I have no doubt that billions of people will feel its effects,” he warned. Suffering people will want to hold those responsible accountable, and the EU won’t be able to shift its culpability, the businessman added.

    The destructive plans of WEF have no single leader – Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc – for this very reason. The people of the world will probably remove a number of the politicians involved in the WEF plans. The WEF Global Leaders will suffer casualties. For that reason there is no leader at the head of the movement, for a head provides an easy target that can be instantly removed to kill the movement. Instead they have a bunch of people leading this movement, people in the shadows, people who will only emerge when the majority of today’s living have starved and the killings have stopped.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 9 2022 #111246
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    Mass genocide is their game and despite reading many peoples’ views on how they could not be doing this, I am still waiting to be convinced. Denninger believes that the rich need the poor so much that they could not survive without us. His argument is that the industries that service their planes, drill their oil, grow their food, etc requires us plebs. Dr D has stated that a reduction in people will be a reduction in choice, that we need to keep this number of people in order to maintain our current standard of living.

    I disagree with both these arguments. In 1950, at the height of the western world’s tenure, when the USA and Europe were industrial power houses, the developed world survived on the populations of Europe (300m) and the USA (200m). Production technology has advanced significantly since that time and so when you look at how many people would be needed to support the elites, a number of 500 million is not out of the question, it seems very doable.

    Sure, the third world was providing resources to the first world, as well as some food shipped by sea (such as tea from Africa), but the numbers of people involved in the supply of essentials would not be very large. For example, mines are now dug out by huge machines, not by masses of manual workers. In addition, we can assume that their vision of a 500m world would not involve lots of people working on weapons systems and as bureaucrats in government.

    I agree that a sudden reduction would cause chaos, but a gradual reduction over thirty years would not really be a problem. Imprisson everybody by 2030 then continue the cull until 2050. Business would find and train people to replace the dead to ensure essential jobs continued, such as crewing their yachts.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 7 2022 #111143
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    Rishi Sunak Resigns as UK Finance Minister

    Looks like the sikhs are well embedded in Canada. Maybe this will be the historical theme of the 21st century for the commonwealth. Looking at the countries these immigrants left, they may even make an improvement to the UK and Canada.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 7 2022 #111142
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    @Mister Roboto said:

    Despite all the specific reasons for this, I think that the real deeper reason is that people and officials in the UK clearly see that the man is a clown and not the serious leader that country needs right now.

    I wish I could believe that but my gut feel is that they are all driven by self-interest and want to escape being tarnished by the BoJo clown, so they are all desserting him to show the next leader how loyal they are to him. The earlier they declare their loyalty to the next leader, the clevered they will appear to be and the more likely they will be to get a good job. Look how quickly they all showed loyalty to WEF and the lockdowns, they do not care about the country, they only care about themselves.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 6 2022 #111096
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    @Redneck said:

    Fossil fuels are running out and all our lives , except for the elites is going to change radically, it is happening right here now already! Australia has signed onto Zero carbon to be accomplished in eight years time , almost none of our autos are electric. Last week the eastern seaboard of the country was having blackouts. Where is the electricity to power all of the cars and trucks and trains to come from?

    Fossil fuels have always been running out, but they will not run out in our lifetimes, not even in this century. If you invclude coal then they will not run out for many centuries.

    Australia is destroying its energy generation system, they are doing it willfully, they are replacing reliable sources of energy with the likes of wind and solar, unreliable sources. Replacement has nothing to do with fossil fuels running out, that replacement is about destroying the western standard of living.

    Australia is also exporting uranium and gas to Chinese power stations while they close down their own nuclear and gas power stations for not being green enough. They don’t care about the planet but they particularly hate Australia.

    I saw that yesterday the Austalia Covid travel regulations were dropped. Despite having immediate family there, I will not go back to Australia for at least three years, until I am convinced that their Covid prisons are not waiting to be re-activated and I find myself unable to leave that political shithole. Until the people wake up, why would I want to travel to a country that is trying to kill itself?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 6 2022 #111095
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    “..the steady encroachment on free speech has been sold as a “virtue” that all good people should applaud..”

    Chairman Mao did the same thing, selling totalitarianism as beneficial for the poor common man. Mao’s tactic was to eradicate the perceived threat from educated people by supporting the uneducated plebs to eradicate the educated, by accusing the educated of being imperialists.

    One such group of imperialists were the people who worked for religions, be they Chinese or foreign missionaries. Mao’s excuse was that religions were run by imperialists from outside China so are bad, he used that excuse to lock them up and torture them, of course pretending to the plebs who did the torturing that they were trying to re-educate them.

    By declaring that anybody who is more educated than the common pleb is an imperialist as they had the money to be educated, he was able to turn the 80% against the 20%. The cultural revolution thereby solidified Mao’s grip on China. In the process China lost most of its culture, but Mao was an ignoramus, he did not care about culture, he was not proud of China or its history, he wanted power.

    Nowadays the CCP still have pictures of Mao up in offices, after all, he enslaved the majority so that the CCP are still calling the shots and still earning the big bucks. The differences in income between the CCP and the rest is staggering – the exact opposite of communism. Half the country is still in farming poverty, while the heads of the CCP are all billionaires. Blatant evidence that the idea of communism was a way to con the ignorant poor.

    The modern CCP is still paranoid except that they have lost the pretence of communism. Now they use the excuse of national security, which really means regime security. In China, the poor do not get any social services, no healthcare, no pension, but the rich get anything they want. The CCP is committed to defend that situation so that they can live the good life.

    The western green/ESG movement is doing the same, demonising people in order to gain the support of the majority as a way to solidify their destruction of the west. If their revolution succeeds, we will all be slaves like the people of China, free to work, not free to think as thinking is a threat to the CCP.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 5 2022 #111044
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    All this talk of a higher intelligence is simply not justified. Blackrock and Vanguard are part of a cartel pushing ESG – the business variant of green destruction – and because they are so powerful – they manage huge quantities of money – they can push banks and other financial institutions into complying with their wishes. They do this by blacklisting any organisations or countries that invest in companies, investments, give loans etc, that do not comply with their ESG wishes.

    This is a very simple process: JP Morgan’s client wants to be included in such-and-such fund, but Blackrock runs the fund and only allows companies that meet the ESG standards. Blackrock will tell JP Morgan what their client has to do to be included in the fund, Blackrock will also decide if they can be included. This has nothing to do with being green, even oil companies are included in some ESG funds, it is about being obedient. The oil companies will only be allowed to invest in other ESG companies if they want to retain their ESG rating.

    Countries will be compliant when banks like JP Morgan refuse to service a loan to the IMF because the IMF decided to not attach ESG strings to a loan. No amazing intelligence is required, just control over the supply of money. Now, if these people did not control so much money, then the higher intelligence moniker might be justified, but this is just the mafia extorting the smaller guy, the same old shit that has been happening forever, this is capitalism at its worst: mafia capitalism.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 5 2022 #111042
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    @my parents said know said:

    the worship of “Science”

    There is no worship of science. The people selling the Covid authoritarian doctrine use science as a crutch because they know that the average person respects science but does not respect authoritarian bureaucrats.

    By clinging to science they hope to steal some of that credibility. The problem that most people have is that they respect science but no nothing about it, so they are now lost.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110974
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    @VietnamVet said:

    It is frustratingly weird that the rising authoritarian regime in the West has no single despot to rule the failing Empire.

    Maybe we are to be ruled by some amazing AI machine that will soon appear on our TV screens as our new leader. If the leadership commitee wants to stay anonymous, what better way than to pretend that AI is running the show and that the AI machine is way more clever than all of us, so should never be questioned? A sort of intellectual, mystic god, ripe to have its chips squeezed to give the right answer. Trouble with humans is that they tend to believe their own bullshit and then disaster awaits.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110968
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    @WES said:

    Sadly it looks like the Dutch farmers protest is going to end exactly the same way Canada’s trucker freedom convoy did.

    People have very little power and what they do have is being removed. The Dutch farmers will lose their farms because the wider Dutch government is reporting to a higher authoritarian government in the same way as the Canadian government proved itself to be in the grip of a higher authoritarian government.

    Unfortunately the people are not yet suffering enough to stand up and fight, but the day will come when the only solution is violence and by then the people will be so heavily monitored that they will have no way of pushing back. China is a good example of exactly this, they still respect Mao, despite his track record of continual failure, but do not adhere to any of Mao’s beliefs. They only believe in totalitarian control with the aristocracy (CCP) controlling the country and having the best jobs and most of the money.

    It sounds as though the west will be forced through a Jim Jones phase, similar to Mao and his cultural revolution, but this time trying to get everybody to be “happy” as slaves: being happy as a slave means losing your individualism, sort of rings a bell, just like Mao did to anybody who was not an uneducated disposable pleb. You will be happy or I will put a bullet through your head for resisting.

    The Jim Jones phase will be the most scary part of the great reset. If you do not respond to the torture they will put a bullet in your head or use you for some form of transhuman experimental shite, an extension of the Nazi medical experiments. That is probably the solution they will use for all the people who use “alternative” web sites such as TAE.

    I call it the Jim Jones phase because Mao went all “religious cult leader”, something that I have some immediate knowledge of watching the evangelical christians convert the sinners in Africa. The first step is to recognise you are a sinner, confess your sins etc etc then Christ (Mao, Jim Jones) will save you etc. The same old playbook that has been around for centuries, trying to show you what a bad person you are and how this new cult will save you, turn you into a valid person, a good person. Sure, Jim Jones and Mao used murder, Mao also used torture, not sure whether Jones used torture, but I suspect he did “for your own good”.

    And don’t fool yourself that the people in charge are not just as crazy as Mao and Jim Jones and all the other similar satan-on-earth devils.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110966
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    Pfizer is trying to kill a significant portion of the population while the Dutch government is trying to close down sources of food. Given that WEF is pulling the strings of both, why is WEF not just waiting for the population to drop and then these farms will be redundant?

    The only answers to come to mind and I think they are probably doing both:

    • they are flexing their muscles to show you who is in charge: the more they beat you the more you will cower and accept their authority.
    • they are hoping to kill a second wave of people through starvation or poor nutrition.

    Every day it becomes more and more obvious to me that violence is the only way to stop these people. We used to have the power of going to the shops and choosing what food to eat, but now these people are going to take away that power and will tell us what food to eat. Every step is a step closer to slavery and although it will hit the city people first, it will end up hiting everybody apart from the oligarchs and their whores.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110965
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    @John Day said:

    People now are so broadly unable to employ their rational processes for simple​ ​preservation​ of themselves and their families​ lately.

    Survival is a matter of problem solving and problem solving takes practice. Maybe we are being starved of problem solving practice?

    For example, if I wonder how best to lay the concrete for a path outside my house, I can go to youtube and see loads of videos of people doing the exact same thing. When I was a child, Dad and I would work it out ourselves, and sure we sometimes did it wrong – usually over engineering it – but we had to think through the problem.

    Has the ready supply of solutions impacted our ability to solve problems?

    I grew up without any internet and only TV when in my teens, so I did a lot of reading and a lot of doing. The doing always involved an element of problem solving, whether building a tree house or a go-cart or just helping Dad with some gardening or some rapairs in the house. I can still remember sitting down with my Dad and working out how to wire two light switches – one by each door of a room – that controlled the same room light.

    I can also still remember, in my thirties, reading my Dad’s brand new Readers Digest DIY manual and discovering all the things we had done right and wrong when working on the house.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110960
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    @Raúl Ilargi Meijer said:

    Ever since the EU started, Germany was chided for its huge trade surplus. Now it’s gone. Anybody happy?

    China is happy, they will soon have the largest operational German-car manufacturing plants. All they have to do is buy the distressed Mercedes, BMW etc and they will suddenly claim to be the world’s largest luxury car manufacturer. The more the west is squeezed with “stupid-rules” energy, the more China’s “no-rules” energy will win. I am still waiting for western governments to introduce the laws that only allow cars made in China to burn gasoline.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 4 2022 #110959
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    Community Guidelines

    Guideline: a piece of information that suggests how something should be done (Cambridge dictionary)

    Suggest: to mention an idea, possible plan, or action for other people to consider (Cambridge dictionary)

    Twitter cannot even tell the truth when playing policeman, when punishing people for lying. They have all the power yet they still can’t tell the truth. Reminds me of western government.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110895
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    @Dr D said:

    It says clearly in the text, what is the opposite of being “Dull”? Being “Clever”. That’s what he’s describing, a bunch of clever schmartz monkeys, too clever by a half and monkeying into trouble.

    Mao thought the same, he tried to rid the country of intellectuals, people who had committed the crime of independent thought. Mao was no different to all the other cult leaders, he was trying to mold the people. I am not a believer in the benefits of such processes. Mao managed to destroy most of historical China in his attempt to turn China into Jonestown. I can see you have some sympathy with his thinking, although I am sure you would not condone his methods.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110861
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    @Armenio Pereira said:

    With all due respect, you need to diversify your information sources: paper – arguably the most terrific and terrible of the human inventions – was most probably than not invented by the Chinese, who also spearheaded and spread its use (not to mention gunpowder.)

    So many years ago I moved to China and married a Taiwanese lady in Hong Kong. I get most of my Chinese information from Chinese people, Chinese websites and from white people who working and live in China.

    The reason I included that comment is because I am at the coal face and see what is going on. Sure, it is not politically correct to say that the Chinese steal all their innovation, IP and other stuff, but they know that and they don’t care, they are quite happy to admit it, in the same way as they are quite happy to tell you that they think brown people are low class.

    IP “theft” is actually a major problem in China: should a western or Chinese company invest time developing a new product, the western company decides to move the manufacturing to China, a year later there are 100 such products, all exactly the same on taobao.com.

    I know one guy who just sold his company when he saw what was happening, because he knew that with every passing day, the risk increased of a copy of his product appearing on the market. This is how China works. When Dr D says that a reduction in population will reduce the products and services we will get, this is nonsense, there are probably over 500 two ring induction heaters on sale on taobao.com at this very moment, do we really need that many choices, mostly all the same? I should say that the one we bought and the extractor fan we also bought were both very good, and very cheap, but the choice is daunting.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110835
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    @Armenio Pereira said:

    Progress brought us here, to the verge of annihilation and to the society of permanent fear.
    By all means enjoy yourself and the shiny gadgetry “progress” entails while it lasts.

    Progress did not bring us here, history brought us here. The world is cyclical, civilizations come and go, they usually come through their own efforts – although China was exceptional in that it has arisen by its manpower despite its total dependence on the west’s brain power – and then for various reasons they die.

    The idea is absurd that keeping your people “dull” i.e. uneducated and ruling them as stupid, is the way to fortune. I am not preaching that the western way is best, but keeping people uneducated is stupid and results in poorer standards of living for everybody, including your own offspring. Some of the problems the west has at the moment are that people are not free, education is throughly corrupted, there is no diversity of views, people are not encouraged to try new things, the government is overwhelming and is now the absolute unelected ruler of society, corrupted by oligarchs.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110826
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    @Armenio Pereira quoted Lao Tzu:

    Taoist rulers of old did not enlighten people but left them dull. People are difficult to govern because they are very clever. Therefore, ruling through cleverness leads to rebellion. Not leading through cleverness brings good fortune.

    The sentiment in this quote did not work for China and the same for the western world. In fact, I cannot think of a single society that made progress without using education and the intelligence of the people. Unless of course the phrase “brings good fortune” only applies to the leaders, the emperors, in which case “good fortune” replaced “even better fortune”. With this philosopher it is no surprise that China remained a farming based society until the middle of the last century and then used western intelligence and Chinese bodies to provide the fortune. I don’t know why people quote this book, other than it is very old.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110825
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    @Germ, your telegraph article link, part of their conclusion:

    Vaccination is a guard against the catastrophic day that this virus, which we have watched mutate all too readily, turns nasty on the young, too. Then, vaccination will ensure that it is they who will also be shielded, like adults today, from severe illness and death (if not infection itself) as a potentially awful new strain emerges.

    The propaganda is strong and it always pushes the idea that vaccination is the cautious option. I am sad to see that they are pushing the fear factor again, this is the exact opposite of responsible government. It shows you that once again the criminals at GAVI, WHO and other monied, faux-philanthropic NGOs and businesses are just not going to give up on trying to kill us for money and governments are not going to revert course and start to protect us.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 2 2022 #110823
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    Having lived in many countries, from 3rd world central Africa to 2nd world China, the one thing I notice is that the quality of food is totaly reflected in the health of different generations of the population. In China the generations are now taller and fatter, the visible nutritional disabilities such as distorted spines and other skeletal distortions are noticeably fewer than they used to be.

    In my experience, not being a medical person, I would put the majority of the health of a population down to the quality of the food and way less than 5% down to the quality of healthcare.

    If the oligarchs plan on starving us all, or simply reducing the nutrition we are used to, will such a sudden change impact us adults or will it only impact the next generation? Will westerners become the short people of the world? Will westerners be the ones with insufficient calcium in their bones? Will eating 5-day old bug protein provide the same levels of nutrition as a two-year old beef steak? Given the plethora of childhood issues these days – your child is not being properly parented unless it has some medical syndrome or set of allergies – medicine has obviously not made us stronger, so what is to become of us if we apply medicine and low nutrition?

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    @Dr D said

    So if they fail, And if the failures are expensive, WHY are they so seamlessly promoted and supported? Without the slightest hesitation, embarrassment, or variation? Even aside from the old boys club, that is quite a reach. Surely they must be accomplishing something for someone even larger, above them, or this would not be possible. So Who? And Why? What is that group/person’s goals? Why are their goals so much different from ours? And if they are promoted 100% of the time against the wishes of the entire electorate, Right and Left, do we have a representative democracy at all?

    I am sure you are suggesting this, so I will go ahead and say it. They represent the security interests of the state of Israel. All being Jewish, all being people who support the crushing of any nation that does not completely obey the USA, they are able to ensure that if anyone threatens Israel, they are able to apply their doctrine and make that the USA’s problem. It is all about using the USA to provide security for Israel, which is why their interests do not align with the average person in the USA, but AIPAC ensures they are maintained in influential positions. They dress it up in some sort of academic philosophy, but that is just veneer, their objectives are not to help the USA.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 1 2022 #110766
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    I quote from an article in RT https://www.rt.com/news/557989-trump-killed-2024-chances/

    In his opening statement last week, Democrat committee chairman Bennie Thompson alleged that Trump was “at the centre of a sprawling, multi-step conspiracy aimed at overturning the 2020 presidential election.”

    The evidence provided at the public hearings has already gone a long way to confirming the truth of that extraordinary charge – and much more testimony damning of Trump is expected when the hearings resume in mid-July.

    Now I ask myself why RT is pushing out propaganda that purports to take the J6 commitee seriously? Why is Russia supporting the group that is operating Biden? If Russia wants a rational end to the Ukraine conflict, why would they support Biden? The group that is trying to destroy Europe and will create even more instability on Russia’s western border. Why would I believe that Russia and that group are not working together?

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    @phoenixvoice said

    I *LOATHE* elective abortion, but the idea that I could become pregnant and lose bodily autonomy is both horrifying and unethical.

    Women don’t just “become pregnant and lose bodily autonomy”, ridiculous. The woman makes a decision to try to become pregnant – or to risk getting pregnant – and in doing so she takes on a responsibility. She is the most involved at the start of the process, so it appears as if she is losing her autonomy, but the man’s turn will come in time. You are advocating for the woman to then be able to abandon that responsibility.

    The comparison with mandated vaccination is cheap, this is not the same thing at all and I am sure you know it: mandated rape is the equivalent of mandated jabs. An equivalent would be for women to demand to be able to be unjabbed.

    Should the woman, having taken on such a significant responsibility, be permitted to discard that commitment? I am against that option personally for the reason that to be a responsible adult you need to live up to your commitments and not use obscuration of known reality as an excuse for being irresponsible. The known reality is that conception is when the process begins. As Dr D stated, this does not guarantee success, but it is definitely the point in time when all the needed components come together, after which only nourishment and environment are needed to enable the embryo grow into a fetus.

    The other side of the coin is whether society has a right to expect a woman to live up to her commitments? Is that taking too much freedom from the woman?

    My biggest angst with the abortion debate is the stream of excuses used to justify killing the embryo and allowing the woman to cop out. People are mostly hugely disappointing and can be very nasty, as we have seen in the Covid anti-vax open hostility. To expect a woman to be an angel is unreasonable, but to pretend that this is not killing another human or maybe the human does not yet have a soul is self delusion.

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    @Just Some Randomer said

    How can it really be that the politicians in the Netherlands can survey the current world situation and decide that the most important thing to do right now is hamstring their own food producers? Can it really be explained by incompetence?

    The recent decisions of politicians – Covid onwards – reveals to me that the corner of society that is home to politicians sees corruption as the norm: the social pressure is corruption. That part of society expects a politician to obey their financial owners and discard any thoughts of voters, country etc. Even at election time the campaigns are for the party, thereby obscuring the behaviour of the individual politicians who sold their electorate down the river. This is now extreme, you can see very little hesitancy within the political classes when they decide to screw their voters, no shame, it is what their peers expect.

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    “..it is NATO that is a “systemic challenge to world peace and stability” and its “hands are stained with the blood of the world’s people.”

    China is just as bad, the difference is that they killed millions of their own and continue to terrorise their people. The Escobar delusion that China is this wonderful Nirvana needs to be tempered with a bit of reality. The reality is that the people of China still see escape from China as the biggest benefit they can give to their families: the one thing that unites almost all Chinese is that their life’s mission is to escape. The Shanghai lockdowns just add more fuel to that Chinese instinct. The Chinese know that their entire family wealth can be taken away from them by the government, they have seen this happen to others and live in fear of the same happening to them. You wonder why they don’t rebel, the reason is that they know their families will then starve and they will be on the streets. The Chinese are still escaping to Canada, UK, USA in arge numbers, despite all the crazy death throws of the western world.

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    Jonathan Freedland. Long time since I have seen that name. He does not believe in democracy, does not believe that people should be told the truth in order to make up their own minds, in his own language he is a “white supremecist” that believes in authoritarianism with the respectful vaneer of democracy. His entire belief system is based on lying to people because he and his owners know best. No wonder he is championing Biden, we all know Biden is not running the show, so that meets his authoritarian nirvana.

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    @John Day said

    There is a logical fallacy to comparing a developing fetus or embryo to an established human life, already existent and engaged in family and community, which needs 6 months of intensive care.

    The reductio-ad-absurdum in laid out in this song: “Every Sperm is Sacred” from “The Meaning of Life”.

    The neurological development of a 12 week human fetus is similar to that of a tadpole, but not self-sufficient like a tadpole.

    Your use of “Every Sperm is Sacred” is a cheap shot as this song was aimed at Catholicism: read the lyrics and you will see that the primary target is the “sin” of masturbation. Including this reference is a meaningless diversion indicating a lack of real logical argument.

    The human embryo is by definition of the human species and is part of nature’s process of creating new members of the human population. Lots of materials come together in this process and you could argue that all the food ever eaten by the parents of the embryo are sacred components, but natural menstuation indicates that some waste will be involved in the reproductive process when an embryo is not created or not viable.

    The human species needs the woman to reproduce and to nurture the child into adulthood. The man is there to provide while this process is underway. Nature provides us with all the tools needed to do this, including the traditional traits such as sexual pleasure, maternal instinct, hormones, male protectiveness, male single mindedness etc.

    The woman makes the decision to create the embryo. Conception is the start of the reproduction process even though, as mentioned above, it is obviously using materials created prior to conception. The woman decides, in all but a tiny number of cases (such as rape, a seperate issue), to start the process of creating a human being. This is her choice to undertake the process of creating a child.

    The privilege of being a mother comes with the tools required to be a mother, and killing your unborn will not come naturally to the maternal instinct. The question is whether she should be allowed to kill the embryo/fetus simply because she has changed her mind about having a baby or never wanted one in the first place but took the risk of getting pregnant.

    If the embryo/fetus is not granted any rights then the government has no business getting involved in this process. If the embryo/fetus does have rights then the government should protect this new member of society. The neurological development argument is irrelevant because we are protecting the potential in the same way as we do for babies that have been born, have no life experience and cannot survive without assistance, regardless of whether they are premature.

    Protecting a baby but not protecting an embryo means you deprive the embryo/fetus of rights and empower the mother to kill the embryo. Nature says that conception is the time when the embryo is created. Many humans find that point in time to be inconvenient, so they argue that nature is wrong and that humans should postpone granting rights to the embryo, the aim being to provide a window during which the mother can kill the embryo.

    Will society allow women to be irresponsible and to abuse their privilege of motherhood? The woman wants the sex part of the process but not the responsibility part of the process. How are we to look at this as a society? Personally I go with nature as there is no valid argument against nature.

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    @Doc Robinson said

    RIM: “did anyone watch the video of the two guys building a home?”

    Thanks for that post. With the benefit of hindsight and someone more informed, it is obvious that scoundrels would be doing this, I am now wiser to the videos on youtube and appreciate it.

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    NATO, Russia and China are working together. Here are some more reasons why I believe this:

    • NATO advisors were warning of a Ukraine war many years before the 2014 coup: this was leaking the plan
    • NATO gave Russia plenty of time to establish alternatives to western finance and manufacturing
    • NATO could have absorbed Russia into NATO when the USSR fell apart, but they obviously had other plans for Russia as the fake enemy
    • NATO has not launched a military offensive against Russia, it is instead feeding weapons to Russia so that all the European NATO countries end up defenseless
    • NATO oligarchs are heavily invested in China which, with Russia, is winning this war and the primary beneficiary
    • Biden is obviously just the front man for a more powerful entity. He was succeptible to corruption even before he was vice president and I am sure the threat of his son suffering a fatal accident is enough to make him toe the line
    • China has a reputation for quietly taking over power using corruption, the USA being ripe for such an assault, although it may not be China alone pulling the strings
    • China was definitely involved in Covid, the initial videos of people falling down in the streets etc
    • China is using Covid to either wrest even more power away from their people or to disrupt the western supply lines
    • Who benefits? China and Russia are definitely benefiting. The west appears to be willingly forfeiting its power but we know that is more than very unlikely that the owners will be forfeiting their power, so the probability is that that power is retained and will show up again somewhere else and we will discover that the owners have changed team
    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2022 #110579
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    NATO, Russia and China are working together. Here are some more reasons why I believe this:

    • Australia is crippling its own energy sector while shipping carbon to China. Obviously their concern for the environment is somewhat limited as sanctions is the perfect reason to stop this.
    • Australia is shipping uranium to China while China supports Russia, Australia supports NATO and Australia closes its own nuclear plants
    • USA is not even punishing China with the Trump tariffs, let alone anything serious
    • USA is not even considering returning manufacturing to the USA, so what is the plan?
    • Biden is happy to buy oil from Saudi (dependancy) but not happy for the USA to drill for its own oil (independence)
    • USA is still arming Saudi in Yemen yet Saudi is on the Russia team
    • USA is freezing the use of its own carbon resources but is this genuine concern about carbon (I do not believe that the owners believe this climate nonsense) or are they using it to wrest control from the people or are they retain resources for use at a later date?
    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 28 2022 #110578
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    NATO, Russia and China are working together. Here are just a few of the reasons why I believe this:

    • Erdogan agreed to Finland and Sweden joining NATO, something he would probably only do if told to by Putin.
    • NATO is disarming by slowly feeding weapons into Ukraine warehouses, slowly enough for none of them to reach the front and in large enough quantities for them to easily be destroyed by Russia
    • China has not even suffered increased tariffs for their support of Russia
    • Australia is still shipping gas and uranium ore to China despite their breach of NATO sanctions and despite the Australian “green” policy that is closing its own uranium and gas power plants
    • The Ukraine military is mostly the Ukraine Nazis and they have been inadequately trained to face up against Russia. They had 8 years to do proper training – easy – yet failed, then a smaller Russian force was able to wipe them out and nobody really cared because they are Nazi scum, people Russia does not mind killing (remember WW2) and NATO does not mind killing (remember WW2)
    • NATO is pussyfooting around, letting the politicians run their war rather than the army. Each delivery of weapons is a political move, not a military move
    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 26 2022 #110451
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    Acting on a proposal of the European Commission, the European Parliament, as expected, voted yesterday to renew the EU Digital Covid Certificate for another year. The vote was 453 for, 119 against and 19 abstentions.

    The EU still refuses to care about the well-known fact that the vaccine does nothing positive to stop the spread of Covid, and therefore is a useless tool for keeping infectious people out of certain areas where they could infect others. It also continues to refuse to care that it is supposed to be kind of democratic – yes, I know that bit has smelled funny for a long time. All we see in this decision is that fear is driving them toward authoritarianism: they are afraid and they think this is going to help them, maybe it will.

    I am interested to see which, if any, EU country drops the EU first. Will Germany allow its industrial base to die because the EU commanded sanctions? Will millions of newly unemployed Germans stand up for themselves or will they cower at home confident that their government is doing what’s best for Germany? Given that the politicians are corrupt cowards they will do whatever is least scary for them: which is more scary, crossing the USA, crossing the EU, dumping on their own people? I suspect the EU will be the first to lose, but we shall see. Popcorn at the ready.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 25 2022 #110398
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    my parents said know said

    Where’s is the left’s consistency on bodily autonomy when it comes to abortion vs “vaccine” mandates?
    Where is the right’s consistency on bodily autonomy when it comes to abortion vs “vaccine” mandates?

    The right’s position is that you cannot kill humans, that includes any human in a woman’s womb, and assault includes injecting a fellow human against their will, including inject a woman with your penis in which case it is specialist assault called rape.

    The left’s position is that you cannot kill humans, that excludes any human in a woman’s womb, and assault does not include injecting a fellow human against their will, although this does not include injecting a woman with your penis in which case it is specialist assault called rape.

    Which is more consistent? The correct answer is that the left are batshit crazy, what they call consistency has so many exception clauses that only the young have the memory space to record such nonsense.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 25 2022 #110379
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    Karl toots his own horn.

    Karl never toots his own horn, he has one of those road train air horns that can be heard for miles around and he only toots silence in between his blasts. He is interesting because of his contradictions: he spews a ceaseless diatribe containing many inaccuracies, he is a coward in that he is intolerant of challengers, he is a classic generalisation of an overconfident cocky parochial American, of the older school variety that had their hearts in the right place but were hated by the Brits. Well worth reading.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 25 2022 #110377
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    A Lemming Leading The Lemmings: The Terminal Collapse Of The Anti-war Left (Cook)

    Fascinating how Cook rightly dumps on the rather (maybe disingenuously) thick Zizek for being a sucker for believing the Russia-bad hysteria. Fascinating because within Cook’s article he reveals his own religious fervour for the climate change power grab. It is so interesting to watch how ideology determines which propaganda fairytales these alternative “thinkers” adopt depending on their original principles. Zizek obviously is very confused over Ukraine. Cook is obviously very confused over climate change. My suspicion is that Cook prays at the altar of climate change because he sees it as vindication of his other belief that capitalism will destroy the world. Zizek and Cook are as bad as each other, but both are entertaining writers, never has “Log in your own eye” been more apt.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2022 #110313
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    @Formerly T-Bear said

    Remember this day, Friday, 24 June 2022, another day for the Infamy Files if anyone recalls the disaster that began on that day giving birth to Infamy.

    The sad thing about this comment is the lack of recognition that congress should pass this as law: permit or ban abortion at the federal level. Democrat/GOP majorities have long existed in the past, but the leeches are more concerned with pumping money into Ukraine than with fixing the world for their voters. Blaming SCOTUS as amoral/immoral etc is simply pathetic, the only reason SCOTUS is put in the cross hairs is because congress will not write the law that would force the hand of SCOTUS. SCOTUS did its job, if you don’t like it then get the change you want written into law.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2022 #110081
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    @chooch said

    One thing that puzzles me, and is certainly debatable, is the slow progress that Russia is making despite their local advantages.

    Install more memory. I have seen a variety of people explain this to you on this comment board, you must have discarded that data and are now caught in a loop, chasing your tail.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 14 2022 #109689
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    @zerosum said

    Why do people lie
    Why do people not tell the truth

    Cowardice should be in that list: lying because it is the easy option, not accountable.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 14 2022 #109687
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    Dr Faletic, who earned his PhD in hypersonic technology from the ANU and now runs an international research consulting firm based in Canberra, says his faith in the scientific and medical community has been badly shaken by his experience.

    That ends the mystery as to why the west is so far behind Russia in said technology. Was his PhD a participation PhD?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 12 2022 #109525
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    Dr D said

    Since I see in action movies that all women are both supermodel physicists and can beat up any man with a finger, I’m sure this will go great.

    Yesterday I was watching an episode of some mundane BBC mini-series – so mundane that I cannot remember the title – when exactly this happened, some 5 foot female beat up these two 6’6″ bouncers. It was only after this fantasy scene that I realised that my mind was doing something very strange: instead of remembering the characters in the story by their names, I was remembering them by their skin colour.

    If you have ever watched a BBC program, you will find that every scene (unless it is the idiot bad guys who are always white) the cast has one of each hue of blackness. I caught myself thinking of the daughters of the mid-black heroine as the darker daughter and the lighter daughter. I continued watching and realised I also did not know the names of any of the characters in the office scenes: there was the the dark black guy, the light black guy, the light black woman etc.

    My mind was inherently colourist, finding the colour easier to remember than the face or name. My mind found it easier to recognise them by colour than by name. Maybe I am just some honky racist, maybe I see the world as a colour swatch or maybe I am just one of the bad guys.

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