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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90021
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    jsynder62,

    You are talking my wife’s lingo now. That’s her department and she is always reminding me to eat some sunlight. She is my sunshine.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90014
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    A little less Simon Bar Sinister and listen to your mum too, eat some raw veggies to get micronutrients.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90013
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    Dr. D,

    Your mindfulness is amazing. But this punchline is simple genius of the obvious. which we are all capable of. Thanks for this laughter, it made my eyes water.

    “You can’t just eat copper, iron, nor any other heavy metal for that matter.” (Dr. D)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90011
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    Yes, I have often wondered of Judas’s fate but then I am confounded by the fact that without Judas there would be no Christ.

    I found that a simple presupposition about this makes no demands upon its me and obliges myself to nothing, although it also reveals no mysteries and offers no gifts. It’s a puzzle that still remains unsolved for me, but I continue to seek that which is hidden.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89939
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    Not

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89938
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    Hmmm, so every other large corporation is responding to the threat, “If you want to business with the federal government, you better vaccinate your workforce.” Going from memory, but in the regulations (OMB & OSHA) it is quite specific.

    Looks like Intel given a pass. What would happen to the world if the chip maker employees walk out. Karl is thinking big enough.

    Computer chip giant Intel reaffirmed Oct. 1 that it was still not requiring vaccination for its workforce, only requiring them to follow local laws. Managers may not ask for workers’ vaccination status, and employees are not allowed to decline to work with unvaccinated colleagues.

    in reply to: Make It Make Sense To Me. I Dare You. #89907
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    “Contractors have been enlisted to assist with increasing the vaccination rate of the American population. Although exclusions and exceptions exist, they are intended to be rarely applied. Thus, contractors need to walk fine lines when approaching compliance with these quickly drafted and swiftly issued regulations:

    For medical or religious exemptions of covered employees, make sure to coordinate with human resources and labor and employment counsel to ensure robust compliance with all of the laws that such inquiries raise. Further, make sure that such efforts and offered accommodations are properly and consistently documented to limit both audit risk stemming from enforcement activities and litigation risk originating from irate and/or fired (former) employees.

    I submitted my exemption today. The best outcome is wrongful termination. Booster hell is coming for those I will be leaving behind. I expect a call from HR in short order. “I got nothing more to add, make a determination and let the chips fall where they may.” This should be fun. Thirty two year career, my team was nominated for the highest engineering award in the company. There is about 15K engineers in the company.

    “I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It’s like I could see the whole thing, one long chain of events that stretched all the way back. I felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that is going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me. And I realized we’re all part of it, and all trapped by it.” (from V is for Vendetta)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89769
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    Ok, I have working threw mandate thingy…specifically how it applies to a corporation that received government contracts as part of their business.

    In my case, I received exemption forms and a faq. While it refers to a policy, there is none supplied or available on our intranet. There are some ambiguous statements in the emails we received along with some confounding answers to their questions. So the synapses in my noodle go full puzzler mode and here is the end game.

    They are likely to grant the exemption (medical or religious) but deny the accommodation as the new FAR that will attach with the contracts will stipulate that testing will not be allowed for the unvaccinated as it will create an unsafe working environment. Since masking and social distance will be inferior to vaccination in terms of safety, anybody not having a vaccination will not be allowed on site. I am sure they grant some of us remote or after hours on site working arrangements, but that will only be a temporary solution to preserve the talented until knowledge transfer occurs and that person can be let go.

    Once the unvaccinated are purged, then they will easily implement the passport system at these facilities. I may be reading too much into it, but it feels like check mate and why they have not been transparent.

    C’est la vie, see ya in the streets. I finally informed my wife, to which she said “I will live in a hut with a dirt floor rather than you getting jabbed. (Hey, predictive programming works)

    What’s Next for Federal Contractors and Mandatory COVID-19 Safety Protocols

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89735
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    One law firm’s take from the implementation side. My help with prospective if your up against the 12/8 deadline.

    Link for Vaccine Policy Playbook

    https://www.seyfarth.com/dir_docs/publications/Seyfarth_Vaccine-Policy-Playbook.pdf

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89715
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    Hear ya oxy,

    Some serious beatitude from down under. I thought it was worth capturing what Ros Nealon-Cook said in her tweet that Raul posted.

    “[…] They are actually frozen and we need to have compassion and empathy towards them and be there when they find out, because they are going to find out with either what we are saying today or they find out because of what’s coming. We have to be very compassionate…Please understand why, why we’re all like understanding our own psychology and understand how you ended up where you are because that is wisdom. That’s the most compassionate place to be and that’s how we will resolve this as well.”

    G’day mates.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 10 2021 #89698
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    @teri,

    Just wanted to thank you again for all the info regarding the EO/OSHA vaccine mandate you posted. It looks like late Friday we got the email outlining the process and paper work required. It’s fairly straight forward for me as my religious belief regarding all vaccination goes back decades and I have exercised that right as parent for my children. The form itself seems to be weaponized in a manner to absolve them of trampling my rights if I provide info/responses to some of the things are are requesting.

    I am going to roundtable up with mates tomorrow. I have captured the info you provided for a more careful review. Most appreciated.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89639
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    Or, systems tend to sacrifice the periphery to save the core and the core of this system is rotten. We will learn to live outside the system, it will be harder but relationships with people will be strengthened and we will be happier.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89638
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    Rototillerman,

    “23/The question for all that is how an IM injection can lead to LNP/mRNA or spike proteins into the circulatory system. Some Doctors say its not possible, they are too big but don’t mention Transcytosis“

    Sweet. This will be helpful. I believe this to be the orthodoxy/dogma among most scientists and doctors therefore it’s not getting the scrutiny it should. Thanks.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89631
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    It is interesting, I was listening to a podcast of a Dr. (I believe he was from South Africa) who successfully treated covid patients with combination of steroids, antihistamines and aspirin. His trigger for aggressive treatment was shortness of breath and low oxygen. He was treating on the basis that it was systemic allergic response to the spike protein.

    It reminded me of when my son was young and the Doc told us that we had take him out of school because she was running out of options to control his asthma and chronic infections. I remember reading about JFK health issues and how cortisone negatively impacted his health. I further researched this only to come to the realization that we may have permanently damaged his immune system since prednisone was the go to medication to get the asthma under control. After realizing this we found alternate ways to support his immune system. In high school, he was still missing 30 days a year due to sickness. Finally, it started to taper in college. Its been a long twenty years but his immune system is function normally now.

    So a friend of ours was recently hospitalized with Covid. We offered her IVM, but she was leery about it. She got scared as her symptoms worsened and she went to the ER and was admitted. We told her to ask for antibodies and they said the Biden administration was rationing them and they didn’t have any in the moment. We told her not to go on Remdesivir, she didn’t. Told to ask for D,C, zinc. they did do that and they put her on steroids and oxygen and she is out of the woods and back home.

    As I revisit this, it turns out steroids are able to suppress NK cytotoxicity, which must be suppressing the storm that is associated with a severe case. Things that make you go Hmmmm.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89623
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    DarkMatter,

    Nearly everyone was not at risk of a serious inflection in the first place. For those that were, most or them would have been spared hospitalization and death with access to very affordable therapeutics. The injections are worthless and damage the immune system.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89620
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    Susmarie108,

    Nice, they are unaware of the new dawn arising.

    But hey, “Biden is a wanker and wears a wanker’s hat”. It’s going to be awhile before I purge that one from my memory. Damn you Polder (with fist in the air)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89615
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    teri, That was their statement to us. It appears our company’s seniors are playing loose, so I will call them out on that as part of the exemption I submit. I just want to be sure I am on firm ground as they likely to pick off the low hanging fruit if they are planning to be selective. Sorry, I wasn’t being clear. Thanks

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89614
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    Doc,

    From my notes (Dr. Mobeen Syed)

    1273 amino acids are needed to assemble a spike

    One cellular spike factory can produce 6 amino acids per minute

    One spike is produced every 4 minutes

    Upper limit of 150 million spike proteins for 10 million ribosomes

    Life of spike factory from minutes to days, nobody knows.

    Japanese bio distribution study gives an idea of how many of these factories might be circulating in our blood stream as a function of time.

    Only a fraction of those spikes get expressed on the surface. So do they explode as the factory cell breaks down, getting carried anywhere and everywhere the blood travels painting a cell for eventual T-cell attack?

    If anybody wants to run with this, please do. Other priorities are needing my attention and it will be a bit before I can focus on this.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89610
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    Great, thanks Doc, I am working on how many spike proteins can be manufactured in the event ‘let’s say’ a freshly minted immature dendritic cell links up with an LNP in the bloodstream. Given that there is 10 million ribosomes now available to a single mRNA strand, (as you point out) a shed load of spike can be produced by just one cell. This should get interesting.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89606
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    Also, I can see where they might argue an onerous burden. For instance, if they wanted me to participate in a meeting or program that involved a branch of the government and I didn’t have the proper papers. Which is really the end game.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89604
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    teri, thanks for digging deep into this. Your efforts are appreciated. But here is the thing, I work for publicly traded company. Yes, we do have packages of work that are tied to programs that are funded by the government. I am obviously not a federal employee or a contracted employee of the government. If I am interpreting this correctly, I simply work for a soulless corporation that is afraid of losing current government programs or jeopardizing future program wins. Am I missing something in the fine print? Not sure.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89596
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    Dr. D, when I quote you and people ask I will respond “Haven’t you read the Dr. D translation?” Nice, I like the innocent dove reference. All and all spoken like a wise serpent (Matt. 10:16)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89594
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    upstateNYer,

    Well said, facts/data are no respecter of persons. It up to us to discern irrespective of the source whether we are being intentionally deceived. The formula that Chirpractor=untruth and medical doctor=truth is for the lazy minded.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89593
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    Timely links (thanks Raul), they will be useful in formulating my exemption request that we can begin submitting come Monday.

    I am looking for the estimation of the number of mRNA instructions (spikes) in a jab. Much appreciation to anyone that can link me to this info.

    in reply to: The Vaxx is Dead. Now What? #89563
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    teri,

    This is the basis for our companies move to mandate the jabs.

    “On September 9, President Biden issued an Executive Order mandating Covid-19 safety protocols for federal contractors. On September 24, the government issued clarifying guidance and, in short, it requires that employees of covered federal contractors be fully vaccinated by December 8, 2021 and to submit proof of vaccination. This guidance has been incorporated through a Federal Acquisition Regulation that will be included in our U.S. government contracts starting October 15, making it both a legal and contractual obligation of the company.”

    Anyway, the guys I work with are coming up bagel as to the existence of an EO. Here are a couple articles that hilight it’s non existence.

    Joe Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Doesn’t Exist. It’s Just A Press Release.

    Americans are no longer living under representative government. We are living under government by the screen people, of the screen people, for the screen people.

    By Joy Pullmann

    Yes, we’ve heard all about Joe Biden’s alleged vaccine mandate for private companies employing 100 or more people. It was all over the news even before he announced it on September 9. His announcement has jeopardized the employment of millions of Americans and increased worker shortages in critical domains such as health care.

    There’s only one problem. It’s all a mirage. Biden’s so-called vaccine mandate doesn’t exist — at least, not yet. So far, all we have is his press conference and other such made-for-media huff-puffing. No such rule even claiming to be legally binding has been issued yet.

    That’s why nearly two dozen Republican attorneys general who have publicly voiced their opposition to the clearly unconstitutional and illegal mandate haven’t yet filed suit against it, the Office of the Indiana Attorney General confirmed for me. There is no mandate to haul into court. And that may be part of the plan.

    According to several sources, so far it appears no such mandate has been sent to the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs yet for approval. The White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Department of Labor haven’t released any official guidance for the alleged mandate. There is no executive order. There’s nothing but press statements.

    Despite what you may have been falsely led to believe by the media fantasy projection machine, press statements have exactly zero legal authority.

    “There is nothing there yet that gives employers any mandate,” Stephanie McFarland, spokeswoman for the Indiana Occupational Safety and Health Administration, told me Oct. 6. “The president made an announcement on this asking OSHA to do it, but we’ve not yet seen anything come from it yet,” she also said. When the state agency gets any further information, she said, they’ll review it.

    To impose the public perception of a mandate, the Biden administration is following an unusual rule-making process it also employed earlier this year, called an emergency temporary standard (ETS). The spring ETS rule took nearly six months to issue. Meanwhile, companies are telling reporters their vaccine mandates will have at the latest December deadlines. (For those who can’t calendar, that’s four months after Biden’s non-existent mandate was proclaimed. According to OSHA, an ETS takes up to six months to go into effect after the initial mandate is issued in the Federal Register — which, again, for the proclaimed 100-employee mandate hasn’t happened yet.)

    Lawyers for big business were blunt about their love for this mandate mirage: “Everybody loves this cover,” Minneapolis employment lawyer Kate Bischoff told Bloomberg Law in September. “Many were already looking down the road at doing this, but the fact that they get to blame Biden is like manna from heaven.”

    Using the ETS procedure instead of normal federal rule-making processes both allows the Biden administration to push its demands faster and without any public input or requirement of responding to public input, which is normally required of even legally laughable federal rule-making like this one would be. That is part of why ETS rules have been overwhelmingly overturned in courts.

    …”

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/07/joe-bidens-vaccine-mandate-doesnt-exist-its-just-a-press-release/

    Biden Keeps Pushing Nonexistent Worker Vaccine Mandate, A Ploy That Keeps State Attorney Generals From Filing Lawsuits

    October 7, 2021 | Sundance

    Joe Biden did it again today. A month after the first announcement, the White House occupant claimed again a Dept. of Labor rule (via OSHA) is forthcoming, yet no such process appears to be taking place. This ploy now seems very purposeful because without an actual policy or regulation visibly in place state attorney generals cannot file a lawsuit or request an injunction.

    As long as Biden keeps threatening a DOL worker vaccination rule sometime in the future, many employers will take action to require worker vaccination. This seems to be the actual strategy; bolstered by White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki caught off-guard last week when asked about it.

    Psaki had no idea how to answer the question about any OSHA activity not taking place (link). Obviously Psaki didn’t expect the question, but it was also obvious that no background conversation had ever taken place amid the White House communication team.

    Perhaps responding to an awakening on that issue, Joe Biden gave a speech today begging people to get vaccinated and again warning that a federal vaccine mandate for all workers was coming:

    TRANSCRIPT – […] The Labor Department is going to shortly issue an emergency rule — which I asked for several weeks ago, and they’re going through the process — to require all employees [employers] with more than 100 people, whether they work for the federal government or not — this is within a — in the purview of the Labor Department — to ensure their workers are fully vaccinated or face testing at least once a week.

    In total, this Labor Department vaccination requirement will cover 100 million Americans, about two thirds of all the people who work in America.

    These requirements work.

    […] And as the Business Roundtable and others told me when I announced the first requirement, that encouraged businesses to feel they could come in and demand the same thing of their employees. (more)

    Biden then went on to praise companies who are doing it on their own.

    …”

    Biden Keeps Pushing Nonexistent Worker Vaccine Mandate, A Ploy That Keeps State Attorneys General From Filing Lawsuits

    in reply to: The Vaxx is Dead. Now What? #89560
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    Michael,

    I did try your link the other night but it said media was to big and took me to chris sky’s telegram fed and could not find it.

    Yep, there is definitely concern in the knock on effect to the innate immune system with each jab. Berenson’s chart is definitely a cause for concern. I would liken it to overuse of corticosteroids. From what I know those can also damage the innate immune system. JFK, even though he looked young and healthy, his immune system was quite fragile partly due to cortisone use to control Addison’s disease. I think I understand that correctly. Maybe Dr. John can further clarify or correct our understanding on this.

    in reply to: The Vaxx is Dead. Now What? #89539
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    I’m having trouble finding something that was either posted or linked in the comments. It was an estimation of the number of mRNA instructions (spikes) in a jab. Can anybody help link me to that info? Thanks

    in reply to: The Vaxx is Dead. Now What? #89530
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    My wife knows I’m deep in the weeds in trying to sort this stuff out and she dropped me a video to check out.

    wife: “Have you checked it”

    me: “Not yet.”

    wife: “You really need to. It has immune blood panel info for before, after jab 1 and after jab 2.”

    That was Wednesday night.


    @WES
    response last night got me curious about poison ivy and topical IVM. Which led to an article on the immune system and the impact of toxins. To which I noted the following:

    T-cells participate directly as killer cells against virally infected host cells.

    T-cells are long-lived lymphocytes. Some estimates of longevity place some T-cells as existing for 15-20 years.

    Since there is little replacement of T-cells, alterations in this compartment may be very detrimental. Lesions in the T-cell system result in enhanced susceptibility to viral, fungal and para-sitic infections and alter the levels of most anti-body responses.

    Then @expatkiwi posts a link to Alex Berenson latest. The slope change on that curve is flashing red.

    Raul, pens “The Vaxx is Dead, Now What?” Another perfect summary and snapshot of where this train wreck is at/headed.

    I finally check out that video my wife sent. The real time stream of consciousness in this community never ceases to amaze me.

    https://www.brighteon.com/243f160d-85a5-47b9-bc22-a070cadd8d56

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89465
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    @wdt,

    That’s neat. Good to know. Thanks.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89447
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    thanks, wdt, scrapper,

    Let’s try it this way, can a human apply it topically and achieve a therapeutic benefit?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89436
    chooch
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    IVM applied topically on the skin, has this been discussed?
    I got an email from a coworker about this. Is this alternative way to get it in the system?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89432
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    Yellow buttons. I guess it’s been nearly 90 years but I did not think it was so easily forgotten. What’s happening in Germany and Israel is surreal, let alone Australia.

    Back when the local stores were requiring masks and had checkers at the entry, my wife went to a Trader Joe’s in the area. There was a line since they were limiting the number of shoppers in the store. She was maskless and when she got to the entry, they told here to mask up.

    She proceeded to school them on the law (as there was no enforceable law where we live). They then told her she would have to push around a cart with a tall flag attached to it. She asked “What is that for?” They said it was so the other shoppers could see her coming over the aisles. She was like, “and yellow stars sewn on my clothes are next?”. They seemed confused, to which she said “Hello, Nazi Germany, concentration camps, WW2.” Not only did she get to shop without mask or a flag, many other shoppers thanked her for standing her ground.

    There are only two wills active in the world. Most are unconscious to the one that will kill their soul. Today, I am getting that conscious Jew vibe int the 1930s, today I weep.

    in reply to: Attack on Red Blood Cells #89352
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    John, that was Raul’s genius. I have learned much following the daily links, articles and the commentary provided by you and others.

    in reply to: Attack on Red Blood Cells #89351
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    zerosum,

    Crazy as it may seem I do this when I get sick. I stumbled across this many years ago and it works well, but seriously make sure you don’t get blow back in the ear tubes if you attempt this. It’s called the flip turn flush. I have only been on oral antibiotics twice in my life (penicillin for kidney infection in grade school and zpak for sinus infection 20 years ago) Not sure how I would incorporate IVM.

    https://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/2322/The-Sinus-Flush

    Also, following up with Xlear several times a day. This stuff is amazing in my experience.

    Xlear | Sinus Care

    in reply to: Attack on Red Blood Cells #89343
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    phoenixvoice,

    She is not the real deal which is obvious from her website (I commented to michael reid on this last night). I am ok with her being my nurse but definitely not my doctor. When blood is drawn in a test tube, there is always some liquid chemical in the bottom so that it doesn’t clot on way to the lab. I doubt she even knows that. Anyway here is a proper video on what clotting blood looks like.

    Raul, thanks for putting that together. Much appreciated and humbled.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89301
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    Michael,

    Most anybody can use a microscope.

    Her qualifications are not even recognized in the her home country of South Africa.

    Just a hunch, but I don’t think she is being honest.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89290
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    Yoh Michael,

    I would think Stew would do a better job to prevent from getting punked. “How many surgeries did say she performed in a day in that interview” From her website.

    “Please take note that Dr Botha is not a medical Dr but an academic Dr. Her qualification is recognized in 194 countries including America and Europe but not in SA. Dr Botha does not diagnose or treat any illness but supports health through complementary medicine, lifestyle management.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89269
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    Germ, triathletes have efficient cardiovascular systems. The velocity of the blood in the capillaries next to the air sacs is low to begin with and in an athlete even lower. The fact that those cells happened to to get painted for destruction by the latent immune response is no surprise to me in the way I have been thinking thru this lately. I think I will keep running with it (pun intended).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89268
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    zerosum, yep there are others that will see this as raw meat and unpack. I threw it out there in hopes of that. In, the moment, I am trying to piece together other stuff.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89257
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    Phoenix vice: (the auto complete did that) kinda funny no offense intended. Absolutely, the injections introduce a bit of glycoprotein manufacturing apparatus in to the blood stream. It has a head start over the rest that either stays in the muscle or drains into a nearby lymph node ultimately a fox and hound scenario ensues. The area associated with with all the endothelial cells that make up our vascular system is on the order of a football field. So the damage could occur anywhere. Inflammation, stroke, clots, hamster nuts. Then there is the CNS and it looks Like there is no place that theses chards of glycoproteins can go, Blood brain barrier be damned. Then there is fundamental immune cell-cell communication associated with glycoproteins that in the case of cancer is may also be disrupted.

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