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ParticipantBeep. Bop. Boop.
Hilarious. Totally human.
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ParticipantKassandra,
Are they allowing religious/medical exemptions? Are you going to submit one?
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ParticipantI agree with Dr. D here, while things could get worse, this agenda to enslave a compliant population will fail.
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ParticipantPublic employees too.
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ParticipantBut here is the Debbie Downer. A federal judge already shot down the Southwest pilots case and stated that companies are within their right to mandate vaccines as a safety measure providing they accommodate employees with religious or medical reasons not to.
The government has required this safety measure via the contracts that private companies have with them.
And now they have issued an OSHA ruling that would capture the rest of the private employers if it stands. Ultimately those with less than 100 employees would be rolled in too.
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Participantmy parents said know,
Hear ya, got an email Friday afternoon reminding me of that nuance. But if it is unconstitutional for private employers without government contracts then how is it constitutional for private employers with government contracts?
As they try to get me to sign off on my accommodations I keep reminding them that is discriminatory to have a set of rules for the healthy non injected employees and a different set for healthy injected employees given the science that the injections don’t work.
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ParticipantWhile the OSHA ETS is blocked, this ruling doesn’t stop the mandate pertaining to companies that have contracts with the government.
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ParticipantNow THAT’s what I’m talking about!’ I thought as I watched.
Moth to a flame.
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ParticipantHmmm, didn’t see that coming.
Or did I appreciate this.
Which employees are covered?
All employees of covered employers, whether full-time, part-time or temporary, are covered by the OSHA ETS except for employees (a) who do not perform work in any location (other than the employee’s residence) where other individuals are present; (b) while working from home; or (c) who work exclusively outdoors.Additionally, the OSHA ETS does not apply to employees in workplaces covered by the federal contractor vaccine mandate (issued September 24, 2021), the previously-issued OSHA ETS for healthcare workers (issued June 11, 2021), or the new CMS Rule.
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ParticipantLost the sperm adjective this go round. Not a bot then?
Man, I have missed your thoughts, comments, knowledge, wisdom to challenge our thinking. Refreshing.
Everyone has a bias. Circumventing that bias is always a challenge for persons seeking to retain an open rational logical mind. Trolls, human, robotic, or cyborgian, ignore that challenge in themselves while obnoxiously foisting it upon others.
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ParticipantHey I liked your stewpeter play. What’s really eating you? Anyway, I think to have a discussion about my hunch you should familiarize yourself with this Kahn Academy series on the lymphatic/circulatory system. My heart (pun intended) is helping my brothers and sisters beat the mandate, but I will get back to this in the future. I take it you got the shot. So while you are studying try and imagine where all those LNPs are going. Each one with the potential to make 150 million spikes over a two day period. There are two key pieces of understanding buried in series.
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ParticipantI have hunch these involve clotting. Different mechanism, Hard to now without proper autopsies.
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ParticipantUpdated OSHA ETS being published. Affects all companies with 100 or more employees, public or private. Attorney Generals are saddling up.
I am confused, you state that OSHA will not require employers to implement vaccine mandates but isn’t that what the order does?…
“Under this standard, covered employers must develop, implement and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose to either be vaccinated or undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work.” from https://www.osha.gov/news/newsreleases/national/11042021
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Eric J. Conn November 4, 2021 at 1:20 pm No. It doesn’t. It’s worded very strangely, sort of suggesting that it will mandate vaccines, but they did just to make it clear that employers were permitted to mandate vaccines if they wanted to. But if you read it carefully, it’s clear that employers are required to either mandate vaccines, or require testing for individuals who do not want to get vaccinated.
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ParticipantPfizer is telling young children that their experimental mRNA covid injection will make them “superheroes” and give them “superpowers.”
Abomination doesn’t even capture it.
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ParticipantSoft mandate option ready. This will give reprieve for those with a cloud of termination hanging over their head. So is imminently this week or Dec. 7th?
Stick to your guns and don’t take the shot. We have networked with some employees that got the shot but oppose the mandate. They are holding off uploading vax papers and applying for exemptions making the resistance look larger.
OSHA’s COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard Set to Issue Imminently
Additionally, a Department of Labor spokesman shared this statement this morning:
“On November 1, the Office of Management and Budget completed its regulatory review of the emergency temporary standard. The Federal Register will publish the emergency temporary standard in the coming days. [OSHA] has been working expeditiously to develop an emergency temporary standard that covers employers with 100 or more employees, firm- or company-wide, and provides options for compliance…. Covered employers must develop, implement, and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose either to get vaccinated or to undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work. The ETS also requires employers to provide paid time to workers to get vaccinated and paid sick leave to recover from any side effects.”
OSHA’s COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard Set to Issue Imminently
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ParticipantGrowth=Change
Change=Loss
Loss=PainGrowth=Pain
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
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ParticipantForget to bold this one,
10. Incorporating clear language expressing OSHA’s intention that the ETS preempts any state laws that conflict with the ETS or that frustrate its purpose to increase rates of employee vaccinations.
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ParticipantThe Federal OSHA vaccine mandate is expected to be issued within the next two weeks.
The following twelve issues likely to be incorporated in some form:
1. Phasing-in implementation dates for the various ETS requirements, with the paid time benefit for getting vaccinated becoming effective in relatively short order, but the “soft” vaccine-mandate elements of the standard (i.e., requiring vaccination or a recent negative test result to report to work) not becoming effective for at least seventy-five days after publication of the ETS in the Federal Register.
2. Clarifying that the ETS does not prohibit employers’ from voluntarily implementing “hard” vaccine mandate policies.
3. NOT requiring employers to pay for employee-time associated with testing or the hard costs of testing for employees who are subject to a weekly testing requirement because of their own voluntary choice to forego vaccination.
4. Capping paid time off (PTO) required for employee-time getting vaccinated at four hours per dose (but eliminating PTO for employers who host an onsite vaccine event during work hours), and capping PTO for time recovering from any ill effects of the vaccines at four hours for the first dose and eight hours for a second.
5. Defining “fully vaccinated” by memorializing (as opposed to cross-referencing) the current CDC definition of that term, which excludes booster shots for any segment of the workforce and includes certain vaccines not yet approved by the US FDA.
6. Calculating the 100-employee threshold for ETS coverage based on the peak number of employees in CY 2020, including part-time, seasonal, remote, and supervised temporary workers, but not applying the “soft” vaccine-mandate aspects of the rule to employees working remotely.
7. Providing flexibility to employers in how they document employee vaccination-status and test results, and excluding those records from the preservation requirements of 29 C.F.R. Section 1910.1020 (or setting a brief alternative preservation requirement).
8. Addressing the virtually inevitable shortage of COVID-19 testing materials and unavoidable delays in obtaining test results that will occur upon implementation of the ETS by allowing unvaccinated employees who opt for testing to report to work during periods of demonstrable test shortages or delays, subject to enhanced safety protocols.
9. Memorializing in the ETS that adverse reactions to vaccination are exempt from OSHA injury and illness recordkeeping no matter the employers’ vaccination policies, and that confirmed, work-related COVID-19 cases are only recordable if the case involves an unvaccinated worker.
10. Incorporating clear language expressing OSHA’s intention that the ETS preempts any state laws that conflict with the ETS or that frustrate its purpose to increase rates of employee vaccinations.
11. Providing a narrow qualified carveout for truck drivers and other key jobs vital to maintaining the stability of the US food supply chain.
12. Limiting the scope of the ETS to focus only on vaccination and testing (and not delve into programmatic requirements like the earlier COVID-19 ETS for healthcare).
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ParticipantThose who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
Frederick DouglassI have everything to lose if I sign and everything to gain if I don’t.
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ParticipantCouldn’t resist
“What do you want to do with your life?”
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ParticipantThanks for hanging in there Raul! Now, how do I channel Denninger w/o the Denninger vibe?
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ParticipantTDK,
Foreigner closure or as Paul Harvey would say “the rest of the story”. Foreigner 4 was the last 8 track I got. It was a gift from a buddy given to me after my girlfriend dumped me. I could segue into some more of Foreigner’s playlist but the theme is getting a little worn.
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ParticipantFund, I’m on a treadmill trying to type.
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ParticipantThat might be Phoenix, I was hoping for something new, but who would find that study now.
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ParticipantDoes anybody have links to the preclinical studies that Peter McCullough is referring to?
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ParticipantRedfield Joins Big Ass Fans, Which Promotes Controversial Covid-Killing Technology.
Not sure why ventilation is controversial and masks aren’t. Science is pesky.
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ParticipantMakes sense (Denniger), why would your body develop durable immunity against a glycoprotein coating (the spike) when it’s the replicating part (the body of the virus) that is the real danger. The danger of training an immune system to be weary of glycoproteins is that most cells are coated with them, that is part of the cellar communication mechanism. Auto immune disease is a confused immune system.
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ParticipantRighteous anger, Amen. Is that the previous CDC director, Robert Redfield, behind Christine Anderson?
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ParticipantYa never know.
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ParticipantThat’s so cool. I was a grease monkey. Dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Switched to autos once I could drive. Must be a cool experience to play in for a crowd of people.
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ParticipantForeigner was the first full album I bought in 1977 with my allowance bucks at a local K-Mart. Junior high at the time. Kiss was the concert to see at the time for my peer group.
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ParticipantKassandra,
If you/someone can get a large number of vaxed employees not to upload their proof of vaccinations that will send a strong signal and they are not likely to sack that many people for not complying. I found out from an upper level manager that only half of the employees have uploaded the proof of vaccination where I work. We are trying to get the 1000 or so individuals and convince them to stand with us. It’s difficult because everyone is working remotely.
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ParticipantEmployer
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ParticipantKassandra,
Will you be privy to the process they are using to cull those claiming religious or medical exemptions? Is your employee using an outside agency from DC to guide them?
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ParticipantAnd this one goes out to Jacinda Ardern
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