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ParticipantTaking Gallium with antibiotics to reduce bacterial resistance.
Diabolical!
I’ll be interested to see how practical this proves to be.John Day
ParticipantWow, what a vast compilation of evidence of overshoot!
It looks like governments, central banks and hedge funds are preparing for a financial and social shock. I suspect that anything COULD be the trigger, but with the magnitude of this, I suspect one powerful interest group will trigger collapse in the realm of another, through financial attack and/or cyber attack. The US and China are getting that close now…
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ParticipantThe group that killed JFK and RFK (likely JFK Jr.) is still in power, and they have much, much more control over everything than has ever before existed.
It depends upon the continued flow of cheap energy.
We can’t say anything to the owners, or to their representatives, who meet behind those closed doors.
We all die. They die too. Nobody gets into the top tier of politics without a remote control and a kill-switch.John Day
ParticipantSpeaking out boldly is something we more or less expect here, but we are among a minority-view group. We can cruise along for a long time without affecting a larger group, but that doesn’t mean we are not building the foundation for a paradigm shift. 2/3 of people will absolutely do what everybody else is doing, but there are times when the paradigm shifts, as it did after the Tet Offensive in Vietnam. Americans flipped from supporting the war to rejecting the war. That base had been built for over 5 years by reviled students who really did not want to be drafted into that war. Many went to war and some to jail and some to Canada.
Martin Luther King spoke at the right moment in the historical process of paradigm shift. He was successful, and was killed for it, as we might be, if we speak truth to an established and teetering power.
Keep saying what we do, to those who will listen, without getting into fruitless argument, is probably the best we can do with our voices.
We should be building something we think will be more crashworthy, within the context of our lives. Seeing our vision AND our efforts to prepare for it, may be convincing later, depending on how close we got.John Day
ParticipantPepe Escobar works a lot for Russia Today, and also for the Asia Times. If he called imminent-collapse on the Chinese economy, he would lose a lot of access, maybe a job or two, right? He might be a criminal in China, too.
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ParticipantOver years, even Type-2 patients burn out the ability of the pancreas to make insulin, something we didn’t know in the past.
Control with diet and exercise early in the course of type-2 DM is ideal. Few can really do it in our world of TV, junk-food, cars and credit-cards.
sigh…John Day
ParticipantGood Work, Ilargi.
I am sure your mother benefits from your presence with her.
I also assume that specific types of insulin products in specific quantities have been requested.
You do need a specific shopping list. I hope you can access low public health prices.
Maybe you need a trip to India to access the low price products to bring to Greece.
“Medical Courier” is a recognized task. I wonder what it takes to get recognized.John Day
ParticipantThanks Diogenes Shrugged,
I watched both videos.
The questions around the Maunder minimum, compared to greenhouse gasses, are questions of magnitude of offsetting effects. There is a lot of attention to solar cycles. Everybody is interested in solar cycles. NASA and the DoD sure are. I am. My HAM radio buds are. The earth has all these buffers for little ups and downs, but the buffers are dissipating. Acid rain hitting the Himalayas and taking CO2 and calcium to a sink in the Indian Ocean has a long term cooling effect on our planet, ever since India slammed into Asia. It’s been awhile. It looks like the greenhouse gas effects are much longer lived than the Maunder minimum, and climate scientists, who look at both, don’t seem to think we should expect much of a break. It would be nice, of course. We shall see. I’m doing what I can as a person. Bike commuting and growing a kitchen garden in what used to be a back yard. It’s a lot of work, and there is lots to learn. Later gardens will be bigger. This is 30 X 30 ft, the whole fenced yard. I’m realizing how small that is for production.
As to the link regarding what Hitler said about bankers and capitalists, I agree with those statements of his, to a harshly oppressed people, who were going through the wealth extraction that Greeks are experiencing today. My grandfather was a communications officer in WW-1, a radio man, and flew in the back of a Spad, in the Hat in the Ring Squadron. He attended the Sorbonne, Harvard grad school, and traved as a radio operator around the world on cargo ships. In WW-2 he was a Major in OSS Counterintelligence, the deep spook world. I grew up aware from his teaching. I have known about “international bankers” all my life. I’m 57. The relevant question about our shadowy puppet masters is: “How many of us do they figure they need, and how much stuff do they figure we will need to serve them?” The “good” news is that these elites have to negotiate and contend with each other, as well as us pawns.
There is spirit at work, as well. Let’s meditate….John Day
ParticipantI have had a hypothesis germinating for awhile, based on the premise that the global power elites, like the Bush family, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, royal families, etc. are smart, not stupid, and don’t tell the truth, except in the rare case that it serves their purposes.
I think they are perfectly well informed and accepting of the realities of Peak Oil, The Limits to Growth and Global Warming. They and their trusted retainers, the Dick Cheneys, James Bakers and Joe Bidens we know so well, tell us whatever guides us in the direction they need us to go. They tell the gated community group, which serve them, what the gated community group needs to be told to keep serving. There are different messages involved, and it works rather well.
We are still on the “Business as usual” curve from the 1972 Limits to Growth projections of energy use, pollution, economy and population. This is producing, or has just produced the predicted peak in industrial output, food production and economy. We are at a rising level of human population.
What comes next in that projection is collapses in food per capita, economy and energy per capita, industrial production, and later, population.
My hypothesis is that our shadowy-puppet-masters are practicing the sequential controlled-demolition of human societies as their preferred method to deal with peak oil and global warming. They tell us whatever stupid-shit works.
Yeah, that’s why we hear nothing but stupid stuff about Greece, and the European group of economic ministers would absolutely never discuss economics with Varoufakis. It’s not their intent for Greece to recover and pay back the loans. It’s their intent for Greece to progressively collapse, further and further, as they take notes.
Iraq was blown up to save Iraqi oil from the Iraqis. That’s working. Libya was blown up to save Libyan oil from the Libyans. They’re hardly using any these days. Those countries are sitting on some of the last of the “easy oil” in the world, the stuff you just pump out for $5-7/bbl. Iran has easy oil, too. But Iran isn’t easy. Iran has an ancient and sophisticated civilization and is politically adept. Iran could still get nuked, but Iranian oil has just been put on hold for the past 5 years, which saves it for later.
Maybe there is about to be another big war, which will mess with the output of some oil producing country. I sure don’t know. Oil is otherwise about to get really cheap, which will hurt Russia, Venezuela, Brazil, the Saudis, Canada, Mexico, American fracking and North Sea powers.
Venezuela is the most vulnerable. Maybe they hate freedom and are going to attack a nuclear generator near LA this year. Maybe they are secretly allied with North Korea. Something. Whatever. Teach em a lesson!John Day
ParticipantIt seems that there is a lack of understanding of what you stated so clearly about the trade offs between immediate harm and permanent slavery among the commentariat, Ilargi.
It is being given the choice between prostituting your daughter or seeing your wife face death this week from a curable infection.
One reason the elites hate Varoufakis so much is (as his dad says) “he is competent”. He is competent at playing at the highest level of risk for millions of people, about which he cares, against sociopaths, who constantly seek out the weakness of what their prey cares most about. Tsipras, a seemingly regular-guy is vulnerable when playing with sociopaths, and they know it well. It’s their game against Tsipras, isn’t it?
Their game may have been disrupted enough to weaken their position a lot.
The collapse of their system is inevitable. They expect it to happen their way.
It probably won’t.John Day
ParticipantMaybe Greece can sue Germany for those 279 billions in WW2 reparations, and sue Goldman Sachs for the excessive $500 million fee to hide the Greek debt for a false-pretense entry into the Euro. Schauble and Draghi could snap at each other even more, and Draghi’s role would be further exposed.
What is needed is for a “white knight” to inject some cash into Greek banks, just to keep this stringing out a bit longer. China? The Fed?John Day
ParticipantTsipras keeps showing up. Woody Allen said 90% of life is showing up.
That might be the case here.
The Troika wolves expected to have Greece all carved up and consumed well before today.
They are hungry, frustrated wolves, and they are still waiting for their dinner.
I really think that “whatever it takes” to keep stringing this process out is pretty good for revealing reality. The reality is that this expanding-debt-based financial project is coming to it’s inevitable ugly end soon.July 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm in reply to: AE for Athens Fund 2nd Donation: The Man Who Cooks In The Street #22359John Day
ParticipantGood work, Ilargi.
I sent another donation.John Day
ParticipantOooh, the Greek Parliament is overwhelmingly licking the Troika boots now.
https://www.964eagle.co.uk/news/world-news/1669063/greek-parliament-backs-bailout-proposals/
This may be enough to keep the tar baby in the middle of things.John Day
Participant@carolsiriusb
I often look at Engdahl’s work, and appreciate his good intentions, but there is usually something kind of glaring which prevents me sending it to folks.Tar Baby: Greece is Europe’s Tar Baby.
The EU finance ministers kick and punch and want to throw the tar baby in the briar patch, but they are all stuck to the tar baby.
That looks essential to the benefits in this process of the demise of the common currency.
Varoufakis sees the need for this, and has had a chance to assess all the players, including Greek players. The result of the referendum was unforeseeable. That was lighting the fire. Knowing the players, and seeing the blaze, and being unwelcome by all at that point, Varoufakis was right to take a break.
He may be the John Maynard Keynes of this historical moment, but we shall see.John Day
ParticipantRight-on, Ilargi!
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Participant@Patricia,
It may be that “smashed our printing presses” is shorthand for “completely relinquished any ability to print a sovereign currency” (and smashed the dies).
The nation of Greece cannot decide to print Greek-brand Euros. I believe the ECB controls the bank of Greece and the presses.John Day
ParticipantYeah, Zero Hedge was “Cyber-Attacked”.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/what-first-world-cyber-war-looks-global-real-time-cyber-attack-map
WhooEEE!John Day
ParticipantWeird, I can’t access Zero Hedge this morning…
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ParticipantYanis Varoufakis might visit Russia and China more this month, might he not?
🙂John Day
ParticipantHero Archetypes: Varoufakis and Tsipras.
Tyrant Archetypes: the rest.
Heroes are quick and unpredictable to tyrants, aren’t they?
🙂John Day
ParticipantWhat happens now?
Is Sun Tzu’s Art of War, there is an injunction against interfering with your enemy, when he is defeating himself.
Russia and China should hang back a bit and let the EU/NATO do a little self-defeating again, right?
On the other hand, one of the truly great breakthroughs in the history of warfare was when generals (Darius the Persian, I think) started freeing the slaves in the cities they captured. Boy, did that help break down the walls!John Day
ParticipantGolem XIV (you recall the trillion dollar platinum coin) is BACK, and has some really interesting Geopolitical-financial-war-game speculations regarding Greece, Russia, China, NATO, beginning with where the reserves of New Drachmas might have been printed (assuming they exist). It gets better, even better, much better, heh, heh, heh…
https://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2015/07/greece-china-russia/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=greece-china-russiaJohn Day
ParticipantTo return to an earlier part of today’s essay, it should be clear that in 2010, again in 2012, and continuing now, there has been an elite perception that Greece should be sacrificed/amputated/whatever to shield the European banks from collapse.
That must have been exquisitely clear in 2010, and has been carried forward without much internal debate.John Day
Participant@Raleigh,
“Looking after your own money” still means holding physical gold in a “safe” place, since all that fiat is a continuously variable algorithm these days, and slips through one’s fingers. Kyle Bass is getting UT Austin to do a bit of that. A vegetable garden is a good investment of personal experience and time. Storing water, beans, rice, oil, salt, sugar and propane is a doable investment, but disheartening and limited.Stockman has a take on Greece, which seems like the underlying vision Varoufakis has. To look at all of this honestly (which can be forced) every European country needs to default on debt, as soon as the dominoes start falling.
The Euro can’t survive that, and global finance will reset.John Day
ParticipantWhat is missed in mainstream analysis of the current debt situation is that it must collapse, and then growth will be over and we will need a new system. Varoufakis gets this, and wants to help Europe on this difficult path. He may be doing so.
Here is Ugo Bardi updating the Limits to Growth projections, which have us hitting some inflection points about now.The Limits to Growth and Greece: Systemic or Financial collapse?
Spain in Transition? looks at the power-down transition that Spain is going through, the history of the fascists killing the populists and so on. It is detailed, well organized and speaks strategically of the transition into “degrowth” and how many politicians can not bring their lips to say anything smacking of financial-regime-change.Spain in Transition?: Answers from the grassroots facing a collapsing country
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ParticipantThanks Nicole.
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ParticipantAmbrose has a good take on the apparent ups and downs of the negotiating stance of Alexis Tsipras. He may be positioning Greece to be financially blameless.
I’m no expert. He is. This is an interesting angle.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11712098/Europe-has-suffered-a-reputational-catastrophe-in-Greece.htmlJohn Day
ParticipantAnd the other news today, after China not being done with the deleveraging correction, is that Tsipras, being “more than reasonable” again, is willing to accede to many demands. Lots of jitter in this news.
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ParticipantUgo Bardi presents an updated Limits to Growth analysis, as pertains to Greece, and to all of us.
The Limits to Growth and Greece: Systemic or Financial collapse?
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ParticipantSo, Ilargi, what of this generational divide in Greece, with young and got nothing wanting to gamble on Drachma, instead of lives of debt slavery, but old and barely surviving on pensions willing to suffer almost any indignity to keep their lifelines?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/mood-ground-greece-some-have-raised-prospect-civil-warJohn Day
Participant@Carbon Waste Life Form and Craig Morris
The reduction of beat-to-beat-variability in the human heart generally means that there is some underlying systemic stress pushing the heart toward a limit, rather than it comfortably idling in the middle of the range between parasympathetic relaxation, and sympathetic stress.
Loss of short-term variability in heartbeat is a sign of cardiac stress.
This is one of the things closely monitored on unborn infants during labor, for instance.John Day
ParticipantHey Guys,
Great essay and comments.
“Riddle me this…”
What will the wording of the referendum Sunday really be?
The Troika has already rendered it moot, which they should not have done.
They force some adjustment of the wording to be fully relevant under conditions prevailing 7/5/15, don’t they?John Day
ParticipantThe Eurogroup also says “OXI”, that everything expires June 30. That’s Tuesday. The ELA might not even continue that long.
This may be painted by the Troika as “Greece went too far and fell off the cliff”, and can be painted as “Greeks were thrown off the cliff”. (What was the proximal cause of the American civil war? Informed opinions have always varied.)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-27/eurozone-rejects-greek-bailout-extension
(Oooh, I just thought of it. What if the Greek citizens are given an option to repudiate all debt on July 5? Really.)John Day
ParticipantPaul Mason has a good look at the strategy behind the Greek Referendum set for 7/5/15.
https://medium.com/@paulmasonnews/tsipras-goes-for-referendum-on-5-july-bf4c58d02534
(Now, what will the wording be? As clear and decisive and unassailable as possible, would be about right. Also, revealed late adds to suspense, and strength of Greek position.)John Day
ParticipantThis abruptly changes the game, upsets the board, pulls the pin on a live grenade and puts it down, saying “your move”.
The ultimatums given in recent days, and given very harshly, are now empty threats, and can be seen as such. There is a huge loss of face for the Troika. Their power to bully elected representatives and banks was at crescendo peak, absolute.
In Sun Tzu’s Art of War, to which you refer sometimes (most read military book ever), this is War by Fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War
Fire is the most powerful weapon of war. It trumps everything, and it is unpredictable.
This is really ancient game theory, 2500 years old.John Day
ParticipantWhere will the robots find enough entropy to keep their highly organized mechanical world fueled?
Life forms use energy more efficiently, except when they make robots…John Day
ParticipantBoom!
Referendum in Greece July 5th.
The people will speak and they will not be gamed!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-26/tsipras-rejects-ultimatums-says-wont-be-blackmailedJohn Day
ParticipantYou seem to be traveling at the ideal time for the fireworks.
Godspeed, Ilargi!John Day
ParticipantRe: Europe is Destroying Greece’s Economy for no Reason at all
Let’s consider the possibility that global elites actually do believe the science, if not of global warming, than Dick Cheney’s message that oil is running out, so grab it and prepare for impact.
Computer models of collapse are not reliable, as we can see from what happened in Iraq. What the elite global puppet-master needs is a big enough scale model from which to draw some projections, to help chart the near future fate of all humanity and other surface life forms.
What if financially collapsing the Greek economy is just a test run for the rest of western industrial civilization? -
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