Apr 232021
 


Rembrandt van Rijn Christ and St Mary Magdalene at the Tomb 1638

 

Biden Vows To Cut Nearly Half Of Greenhouse Emissions By 2030 (SAC)
GOP Sen. Ron Johson Criticizes ‘Big Push’ To Get Everyone Vaccinated (F.)
Greek Gov’t Legislates “Legal Impunity” For Epidemiologists’ Committee (KTG)
Greece to Recognize Validity of Sputnik V Vaccine for Travelers (GR)
One Dose Of Pfizer Or Oxford Jab Reduces Covid Infection Rate By 65% (G.)
Japan Rolls Out Vaccine Slowly, Despite Looming Olympics (Y!)
Russia To Withdraw Troops From Deployment On Border With Ukraine (RT)
Russia To Make Areas Of Airspace Inaccessible To Foreign Missiles, Drones (RT)
Russia Behind ‘Directed Energy’ Attacks On US Troops In Syria – Pentagon (ZH)
Who Runs The World? Blackrock and Vanguard (Sardi)
Why The ‘Magic Money Tree’ Suddenly Appeared When Covid-19 Hit (RP)

 

 

Flooding at a coal mine in one of the smallest of 61 counties in #Xinjiang #China shut down 35% of #Bitcoin’s global mining power this weekend.

 

 

Not the Onion. But way over the top.

 

 

Big differences.

 

 

If you find yourself hopeful when seeing this, snap out of it. This is just a way to spend trillions of your money on greenwashing. Here is the pattern that will continue, again:

“..the Obama administration aimed to reduce emissions 26% to 28% below 2005 levels by 2025. Currently, the U.S. has not yet reached the halfway point in achieving that goal.”

Replacing one source of energy with another one is useless, only using -a whole lot- less energy works. For that, we will need to redesign our cities and homes. Not our cars. And that will cost a lot of money, which won’t be available anymore, because it’s been spent on grandiose plans for windmills and solar panels to one-on-one replace all present sources. And that’s just the first problem.

Biden Vows To Cut Nearly Half Of Greenhouse Emissions By 2030 (SAC)

President Joe Biden on Earth Day vowed to slash U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 50% to 52%—compared to 2005 levels—by 2030, as part of a broader goal of achieving net-zero emissions in the country by 2050. “These steps will set America on a path of a net-zero emissions economy by no later than 2050,” Biden told a virtual climate summit, attended by 40 leaders from around the world, Thursday morning as he announced the new emissions goal. “Scientists tell us that this is the decisive decade, this is the decade we must make decisions that will avoid the worst consequences of a climate crisis,” Biden said.


“This is a moral imperative. An economic imperative. A moment of peril, but also a moment of extraordinary possibilities,” the president added. The new greenhouse target more than doubles the United States’ previous target under the 2015 Paris climate agreement, when the Obama administration aimed to reduce emissions 26% to 28% below 2005 levels by 2025. Currently, the U.S. has not yet reached the halfway point in achieving that goal.

Biden energy boom

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Heretic.

GOP Sen. Ron Johson Criticizes ‘Big Push’ To Get Everyone Vaccinated (F.)

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) on Thursday questioned the “big push” to ensure everyone is vaccinated against coronavirus, putting him at odds with many of his Senate Republican colleagues who have attempted to close the partisan gap in vaccination rates. In an interview with conservative Wisconsin radio host Vicki McKenna, herself a vocal coronavirus vaccine skeptic, Johnson launched into a condemnation of “vaccine passports,” a credential that would allow businesses to verify vaccination status. But Johnson also went a step further, declaring he sees “no reason to be pushing vaccines on people,” arguing their distribution should be “limited” to those most vulnerable to coronavirus, and asking, “if you have a vaccine, quite honestly, what do you care if your neighbor has one or not?”

Johnson said he is “getting highly suspicious” of the “big push to make sure everybody gets the vaccine,” stating it’s “not a fully approved vaccine” but also arguing that the fact it is 95% effective means only a limited number of people need to be vaccinated. The comments put Johnson at odds with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who spent much of the last Senate recess urging Republican men to get vaccinated amid public opinion polling that shows they are the least likely to do so. Johnson is one of the Senate’s most prolific promoters of coronavirus pseudoscience, holding hearings last year as the chair of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to promote unproven treatments like Hydroxychloroquine.

[..] Johnson has drawn outrage from lawmakers in both parties for some of his recent comments, particularly on the Jan. 6 attack, which he has routinely sought to downplay. He said the attack “didn’t seem like an armed insurrection to me” in February, and last month he said the attackers “truly respect law enforcement” and claimed he wasn’t concerned for his safety during the incident – but might have been if the attackers were affiliated with Black Lives Matter.

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First time I’ve seen this. Many countries will follow. No investigation allowed.

Greek Gov’t Legislates “Legal Impunity” For Epidemiologists’ Committee (KTG)

The Greek government has tabled a amendment to the Parliament to secure legal impunity for the committee of the epidemiologists advising the government on pandemic issues. The regulation comes amid pressure from the opposition to make the minutes of the meetings public. The introduction to provide impunity to infectious disease committee members in charge of the pandemic measures is for sure a unique worldwide. The amendment introduces impunity for the epidemiologists’ committee members from any form of prosecution or even questioning and protects them from having to testify if they were in “conflict of interest.”

The amendment was submitted by the Health Ministry in a legislation of Code of Judicial Officers of the Justice Ministry. It reportedly bears the signatures of the Health and Justice Ministers and other members of the government. It will be voted in the parliament later on Thursday. According to news website news247.gr, Article 4 of the amendment stipulates that members of the National Committee for the Protection of Public Health against the coronavirus disease Covid 19, the Committee for the Management of Public Health Emergencies by Infectious Diseases and the National Vaccination Committee are not liable, not prosecuted and are not examined for opinion they formulated or vote they gave in the exercise of their duties in the context of the operation of the above committees. Prosecution is allowed only for defamation or insult.

Particularly troubling, notes the website, is the provision that committee members are not prosecuted but can not even be questioned. It raises questions about what this means in the event that either a public prosecutor’s investigation or a possible pre-investigation committee of the Parliament is conducted in the future. In this case, it is possible that the members of the committee may not even be called as witnesses. It should be noted that this regulation comes after the intense pressure from the opposition to make public the minutes of the infectious disease committees and also in a period of the pandemic where the decisions of the committee are extremely important. At the same time, it comes in the middle of the vaccination process and also concerns the vaccination committee.

It is worth recalling that there have already been complaints from the opposition about conflicts of interest between members of the committee and their professional activities, notes news247. It should also be recalled that there has been recently a debate about the committee decisions and how much the members obey the government s plans to open or close activities than the scientific dictates. The gradual lifting of the lockdown and the opening of tourism in mid-May (unofficially on April 19) with daily infections are over 3000 and an average of 75 deaths per day while had many Greeks wonder why there was a 5.5 months lockdown anyway. [..] The government, ministers and lawmakers have immunity anyway.

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Also: “Germany to buy 30 million doses of Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine”. EU Covid management is crumbling.

Greece to Recognize Validity of Sputnik V Vaccine for Travelers (GR)

Greece is taking all possible necessary precautions to ensure a successful launch of the 2021 tourism season on May 14 to avoid last year’s losses — including accepting the validity of Russia’s “Sputnik V” vaccine in allowing Russians to visit the country. The vaccine, dubbed the “traveling companion,” has a 97.6% efficacy rate under trial conditions, according to its makers. This was based on data analysis on the infection rate among people receiving both shots of the vaccine. The Sputnik V vaccine was registered in 60 countries worldwide as of April 19, 2021 from Argentina and Mexico to Israel and the Philippines. Russian officials say they have signed deals to produce it in South Korea and India. Via a post on Twitter on April 6, 2021, the distributor confirmed that it could supply Greece with the vaccine for 500,000 people in May.


A soft opening of the tourism sector in Greece commenced on Monday, April 20, by lifting its seven-day quarantine requirements for international travelers arriving from the EU, the Schengen Area, the US, the UK, Israel, Serbia, and the United Arab Emirates upon proof of vaccination, immunity, or a negative PCR test on arrival. Expected in this is group is hundreds of thousands of tourists from Russia as a result of joint efforts to resume tourism activity between the two countries. However, the Sputnik V is still under review by the European Medicines Agency (EMA). There are not enough doses of other vaccines available in the EU to satisfy demand, so the desire for new options is substantial. The EU Green Passport regulation, due to be adopted soon, does not recognize vaccines that have not yet been approved by the EMA. However, it is flexible enough to allow EU member states to accept the validity of certain vaccines, such as Russia’s Sputnik V, on what it calls a “bilateral level.”

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That’s less effective than ivermectin. Good thing they didn’t research that, so they can keep saying: well, there’s no research! The only way to keep the EUA.

One Dose Of Pfizer Or Oxford Jab Reduces Covid Infection Rate By 65% (G.)

One shot of the Oxford/AstraZeneca or Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine reduces coronavirus infections by nearly two-thirds and protects older and more vulnerable people as much as younger, healthy individuals, a study has found. The results from Oxford University and the Office for National Statistics are a welcome boost to the vaccination programme and the first to show the impact on new infections and immune responses in a large group of adults in the general population. By driving down rates of infection the vaccines will not only prevent hospitalisations and deaths but help break chains of transmission and so reduce the risk of a damaging resurgence of disease as the UK reopens.

The researchers analysed Covid test results from more than 350,000 people in the UK between December and April. They found that 21 days after a first jab – the time it takes the immune system to mount a decent response – new Covid infections dropped by 65%. The vaccines were more effective against symptomatic than asymptomatic infections, reducing rates by 72% and 57% respectively, compared with those seen in the unvaccinated population. A second shot of the Pfizer vaccine boosted protection further, causing symptomatic infections to fall by 90% and asymptomatic infections by 70%. Because the Oxford vaccine was approved and rolled out later, it is too early to assess the impact of those second doses.

Scientists on the team said the findings supported the UK’s decision to prioritise giving first shots to elderly and more vulnerable people by delaying second doses. “There was no evidence that the vaccines were less effective among older adults or those with long-term health conditions,” said Dr Koen Pouwels, a researcher on the team.

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“A majority of Japanese already oppose holding the Games this summer..”

Japan Rolls Out Vaccine Slowly, Despite Looming Olympics (Y!)

Three months before it hosts the Olympics – the biggest international event since the pandemic began – Japan has fully vaccinated less than one percent of its population in a cautious, slow-moving programme. Olympic organisers and local officials stress vaccines are not a prerequisite for the Games. Participants will not have to be inoculated before arrival and there are no plans to prioritise vaccination of Japanese athletes or volunteers. But the slow rollout in the world’s third-largest economy, which experts say is driven by a mixture of caution and entrenched bureaucratic hurdles, is starting to weigh on public opinion. The government has emphasised caution to build trust in the vaccine, said Takakazu Yamagishi, director of the Center for International Affairs at Nanzan University, who researches health policy.

But, seeing speedy vaccinations elsewhere, “more and more people are realising that the delayed vaccination process has put Japan in a difficult position to hold the Olympics,” he told AFP. This could “weaken their support for the Games”. A majority of Japanese already oppose holding the Games this summer, and Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, who faces a general election this year, has been under pressure for months over his coronavirus response. The country’s outbreak has been comparatively small so far, with fewer than 10,000 deaths. But several regions, including Tokyo, requested new virus states of emergency this week over a fresh wave of cases that has already overwhelmed some local healthcare systems.

Writing in the British Medical Journal this month, four health experts cited Japan’s “sluggish vaccine rollout” among other factors in urging plans to hold the Games “be reconsidered as a matter of urgency”. Polls show three-quarters of Japan’s public consider the rollout slow, with 60 percent saying they are dissatisfied with the programme. Olympic organisers insist the rollout’s pace will not impact the Games. “We’ll be able to deliver the Games even without vaccination,” Tokyo 2020 CEO Toshiro Muto told reporters on Wednesday.

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A big nothing. But a warning at the same time.

Russia To Withdraw Troops From Deployment On Border With Ukraine (RT)

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has announced that troops deployed in the west and south of the country in recent days will soon begin returning to base, saying they have now passed tests of their combat readiness. The chief of the country’s military revealed on Thursday that a number of units of the regular army and airborne divisions had been transferred to the area, near the shared border with Ukraine, as part of surprise military exercises. The buildup had caused alarm in Kiev, and been cited by Western nations as a potential precursor to an invasion, which the Kremlin repeatedly denied.


According to Shoigu, “the goals of the sudden inspection have been fully achieved. The troops demonstrated their ability to ensure reliable defense of the country.” As a result, he has now ordered commanders to “plan and begin the return of troops to their places of regular deployment, beginning from April 23.” By the end of the month, the minister said, “the personnel of the 58th Army of the Southern Military District, the 41st Army of the Central Military District, the 7th, 76th Air Assault and 98th Airborne Divisions of the Airborne Forces” will return to their normal bases. However, he warned that the army would “react and respond adequately to all changes in the situation near Russian borders.”

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“.. render foreign satellite navigation systems completely useless, disabling an enemy’s high-precision weapons.”

Russia To Make Areas Of Airspace Inaccessible To Foreign Missiles, Drones (RT)

Russia’s electronic warfare specialists will practice creating ‘protection areas’ in the country’s airspace that could render foreign satellite navigation systems completely useless, disabling an enemy’s high-precision weapons. According to Moscow daily Izvestia, citing a source in the Defense Ministry, radio-electronic warfare troops will practice using the technology during exercises this year, with the practice to be held nationwide in 2022. The system, known as Field-21, creates interference that disorients foreign satellite navigation systems, including the American GPS NAVSTAR. According to experts, the creation of special zones could be used to protect military facilities, as well as industrial areas, making the airspace virtually impenetrable. They believe the new approach will radically increase national security.


With satellite navigation foiled, enemy high-precision weapons and drones will not be able to direct themselves towards their target. “Electronic warfare systems hit several cruise missile systems at once,” military historian Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia. “Satellite navigation interference causes them to get ‘lost’ in space and dramatically reduces their accuracy. If the radio altimeter signal is suppressed, the ammunition will also not be able to perform its combat mission as expected.” Radio-electronic troops have already been deployed in Syria, where an electronic warfare protection dome has been created over the areas of Tartus and Khmeimim, protecting the military from attacks by militant drones. Russia has been involved in the Syrian Civil War since 2015, when it was invited by the Damascus government, led by President Bashar Assad, to help fight against a terrorist insurgency in the country.

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One thing about flimsy nonsensical narratives is you must keep feeding them. Then when someone asks for proof, you can point to all the other “cases” and say: see?! it fits a pattern.

Russia Behind ‘Directed Energy’ Attacks On US Troops In Syria – Pentagon (ZH)

In the newest dramatic allegations against suspected Russian malfeasance, the Department of Defense (DoD) on Thursday revealed that it believes the Russian military targeted US troops in Syria with ‘directed energy attacks’ in order to make them ill and unable to conduct normal operations. Apparently some US troops occupying the country began reporting “flu-like symptoms” which caused the DoD to investigate possible linkage to microwave or directed energy weapons on the battlefield of Syria. Politico reports that “officials identified Russia as a likely culprit, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter.” DoD officials said they briefed top lawmakers on intelligence which they say points to Russia being behind a series of these suspected high tech attacks.

This follows a major investigation being conducted since last year of similar mysterious attacks against US personnel across the globe. Controversy has raged since late 2016 into 2017 and the “Havana syndrome” story, which involved some 50 diplomatic officials working at the US Embassy in Cuba coming down with strange illnesses and symptoms which many blamed on high tech ‘sonic attacks’ of some sort. Personnel reported experiencing everything from vomiting to concussions to chronic headaches to minor brain injuries. But analysts and scientists have been deeply divided on the issue, with speculation ranging from high pitched sounds from crickets or even mass hysteria causing the illness.

But Politico reports of these newest allegations of the potential targeting of Americans in northeast Syria as follows: “The briefings included information about injuries sustained by U.S. troops in Syria, the people said. The investigation includes one incident in Syria in the fall of 2020 in which several troops developed flu-like symptoms, two people familiar with the Pentagon probe said.” The CIA is said to also be looking into these suspected attacks via its own task force. Strangely, the Politico report also included a denial that troops in Syria were ever found to be victims of such weapons by the Pentagon press spokesperson, strongly suggesting this is a continuation of the current, highly politicized “just blame Russia” climate in Washington…

A Pentagon spokesperson, however, said the department is not aware of directed-energy attacks against U.S. troops in Syria. The spokesperson declined further comment on the Pentagon’s interactions with Capitol Hill or any internal investigation. “The incidents of suspected directed-energy attacks by Russia on Americans abroad became so concerning that the Pentagon’s office of special operations and low-intensity conflict began investigating last year, according to two former national security officials involved in the effort. It’s unclear exactly how many troops were injured, or the extent of their injuries.”

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Pretty brilliant exposé. By someone calling herself Covid Lie.

Who Runs The World? Blackrock and Vanguard (Sardi)

If you’ve been wondering how the world economy has been hijacked and humanity has been kidnapped by a completely bogus narrative, look no further than this video by Dutch creator, Covid Lie. What she uncovers is that the stock of the world’s largest corporations are owned by the same institutional investors. They all own each other. This means that “competing” brands, like Coke and Pepsi aren’t really competitors, at all, since their stock is owned by exactly the same investment companies, investment funds, insurance companies, banks and in some cases, governments. This is the case, across all industries. As she says:

“The smaller investors are owned by larger investors. Those are owned by even bigger investors. The visible top of this pyramid shows only two companies whose names we have often seen…They are Vanguard and BlackRock. The power of these two companies is beyond your imagination. Not only do they own a large part of the stocks of nearly all big companies but also the stocks of the investors in those companies. This gives them a complete monopoly. A Bloomberg report states that both these companies in the year 2028, together will have investments in the amount of 20 trillion dollars. That means that they will own almost everything. Bloomberg calls BlackRock “The fourth branch of government”, because it’s the only private agency that closely works with the central banks.

BlackRock lends money to the central bank but it’s also the advisor. It also develops the software the central bank uses. Many BlackRock employees were in the White House with Bush and Obama. Its CEO. Larry Fink can count on a warm welcome from leaders and politicians. Not so strange, if you know that he is the front man of the ruling company but Larry Fink does not pull the strings himself. BlackRock, itself is also owned by shareholders. Who are those shareholders? We come to a strange conclusion. The biggest shareholder is Vanguard. But now he gets murky. Vanguard is a private company and we cannot see who the shareholders are.

The elite who own Vanguard apparently do not like being in the spotlight but of course they cannot hide from who is willing to dig. Reports from Oxfam and Bloomberg say that 1% of the world, together owns more money than the other 99%. Even worse, Oxfam says that 82% of all earned money in 2017 went to this 1%. In other words, these two investment companies, Vanguard and BlackRock hold a monopoly in all industries in the world and they, in turn are owned by the richest families in the world, some of whom are royalty and who have been very rich since before the Industrial Revolution. Why doesn’t everybody know this? Why aren’t there movies and documentaries about this? Why isn’t it in the news? Because 90% of the international media is owned by nine media conglomerates.

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How did we get from austerity to spending trillions?

Why The ‘Magic Money Tree’ Suddenly Appeared When Covid-19 Hit (RP)

Coronavirus has proven that austerity was a political choice and that the ‘Magic Money Tree’ really does exist, progressive economists have said. Whether it be Joe Biden’s $1.9trillion relief bill or Rishi Sunak’s £50billion furlough scheme, centrist and conservative governments have suddenly found a way to spend in the public’s interest. All it took was a pandemic. In an event for Let’s Talk It Over entitled ‘The Austerity Doctrine in the Time of Coronavirus’, Yanis Varoufakis, Stephanie Kelton, Naomi Klein and Brian Eno discussed whether the “pandemic has ended the reign of austerity as policy and mindset”. Stephanie Kelton, a former economic adviser to Bernie Sanders, said: “Everything was in a budgeting framework and then Covid happened.

“Governments started committing huge sums of money. So where does it come from? The CARE act, for example, was Congress’ way of ordering up $2.2billion from the Federal Reserve. “They can commit to spending money that they do not have. If the votes are there, then the money follows. “Almost no-one believes any longer that the ‘coffers’ can be empty. “Everyone can now see that the government no longer needs to keep its powder dry. As Kelton explains in her now famous tome, countries that print their own money can easily spend their way towards economic prosperity without any notion of paying it back – as long as the economic potential of the nation is not reached. In the US, the total federal debt is nearing $30trillion – but does it really matter? To enact austerity to ‘pay for’ a year of generous public spending would not achieve anything except for a downward economic spiral, Varoufakis said.

The former Greek Finance Minister added: “I’m calling in from the epicentre of austerity. If there was a New Deal in 2011, after we had lost 25 percent of our GDP (in the crisis), it would have been a majestic success. “But instead, we continued and had a downward spiral. “We need to have major debt restructuring at the public and private level for countries that don’t have the same privilege as the United States in printing their own money. “The nightmare of the powerful is that the weak have alternatives. So when they hear about Universal Basic Income and job creation schemes they think it will become a nightmare for them. “As oligarchs, they are following the right instincts. Using the ‘magic money tree’ to empower the power is seriously circumscribing their own power.”

In essence, the powerful adore austerity and malign public debt because anything close to Modern Monetary Theory would give working people too many alternatives, Varoufakis said. Naomi Klein claimed that tax rises after the pandemic are a necessity – but only on the rich. Modern Monetary Theory dictates that one of the roles of taxation, in addition to curbing inflation, is to reduce inequality. She explained: “In theory, we need to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy not because we need to do it, but because of the levels of inequality. “It’s also a moral hazard for the wealthy to not have to live in the mess that they made. We’ve seen the wealthy retreat into their castles, as it were, and the pandemic has made this even more apparent. “Austerity is about disciplining a workforce.”

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    Rembrandt van Rijn Christ and St Mary Magdalene at the Tomb 1638   • Biden Vows To Cut Nearly Half Of Greenhouse Emissions By 2030 (SAC) • GOP Se
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 23 2021]

    #73718
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Lets hear it for Possums…
    Amazing animals’; slandered for decades…even by me…
    …but that was before I knew better…

    #73720
    absolute galore
    Participant

    I’m sure “decoupling” money, finance, debt, all that “abstract” stuff, from real world physicality will work out just fine. Reality is so last century. And who needs all that dirty stuff like oil and lithium and soil when we have iphones and Teslas and TikToc and Cheese Doodles and windmills.

    Here’s something that puzzles me: “U.S. imports from Russia averaged 538,000 barrels a day in 2020—more than the 522,000-barrel-a-day average from Saudi Arabia..” Bloomberg Business Week, March 24, 2021

    So, we are putting sanctions on the country that is our 3rd leading supplier of oil? It seems to me that Russia could rather easily find other buyers for these half a million barrels a day–China, for instance–if push comes to shove. Or is the plan to roll a few tanks over the border, put up a green zone around the Kremlin, and take over the Russian oil fields? Another idea that should work out just fine.

    On the Covid front, it really is astounding how just about every single person I have talked to in my little sphere has virtually zero hesitancy about getting vaccinated. In fact, despite being older than most of them, I now only know one person who has not been vaccinated and doe not plan to be. (It’s not exactly comforting that he has drifted heavily into conspiracy waters, which I avoid.)

    Last night a friend held a reopening for his pub restaurant and it was well-attended, the biggest indoor crowd I’ve seen in a while. He installed an air ventilation system that supposedly zaps “98% of pathogens” from the incoming fresh air before circulating. But he has had this since mid-July, and had to close in December because there were simply not enough people willing to come out. Now that the vaccine is here, everybody is fancy free.

    But I find myself quickly labeled an anti-vaxxer if it comes up that I have not been vaccinated. Since my reasoning for not being vaccinated is I don’t believe the situation warrants in most cases, and it is quickly taking us into totalitarian behavoir under the guise of public health, I thought it was important to express these views to others. But almost everyone is so on board, all it does is make people angry at me. (if people were dropping dead around me a la the plague, I would definitely take my place in the vaccination line). One friend last night asked me if I would let my 11-year-old get vaccinated.

    I have no control over that, unfortunately, because the custody laws in NYS are biased against the father. But I said why would I, since the virus is not affecting kids. He scoffed, and said something like “Not for now anyway.” (Yeah, if it does go after kids, it could well be due to our mass vaccination of people who don’t need it.) Then he asked me if I had been vaccinated for mumps or the measles. As if I had a choice, or as if that were relevant to the discussion. At least there are now many more people on the not very crowded sidewalk joining me in not wearing a mask. Probably because they now feel invincible after receiving their precious “jab.” Now I think I will defer to my right to medical privacy when the question inevitably comes up again.

    I do look to TAE participants to draw some sustenance for my position, especially after reading scare pieces in the MSM, such as yesterday’s article in the NYT throwing out meaningless percentages along with horror stories of grave medical complications and death with “Long Covid.”

    #73721
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Democrats vs Republican focus. Republicans are naming employment, the border, and crime as top items. Democrats are naming U.S. CITIZENS as the #1 problem. That is, their main fear and focus in life is Republicans. Yes, a party that is, to all visible accounts, without power anywhere. And whose base is the most powerless group in the nation: unemployed poor rural folks. OBVIOUSLY they are the top danger to the nation, being powerless, unable to get institutions to follow their suggestions at all, and systematically annihilated 30,000 at a time.

    Pretty weird world we live in. Shows who will “DO WHAT THEY’RE TOLD!” and follow any authority into the jaws of mass murder. “What they’re told” is to believe the State and mass media. We never lie and We’re here to help. Obviously. Just look at any page of any history book, anywhere, ever.

    “Biden Vows to Cut Nearly Half of Greenhouse Emissions by 2030 (SAC)”

    I guess like Obama he plans to kill every black and brown person, everywhere he can find them. Even the ATTEMPT to do this – even with a 90% failure – would shut off heating oil, food, and jobs for the POOREST Americans first, starting ground zero in black communities. Congratulations, this is open genocide. Just as they said would happen with Carbon Credits, as skimmed by Goldman Sachs.

    Luckily, I don’t believe a word of it. It’s all a sham, he couldn’t care less about carbon, and the Yellow Vests show they wouldn’t get even one tax hike before being brought to their knees. But it does show you who they are and what they want. They want you dead. Black people first.

    ‘Cause that’s Green! That’s pure love!

    “Russia to Withdraw Troops from Deployment on Border with Ukraine (RT)”

    They’re not done with stupid. After seeing the West and NATO will provide exactly nothing, Zelinsky reversed and activated the reserves, calling up the troops against Russia.

    But as we learn, most was a lie anyway. …Which we know because any adult in the western world opened their stupid pie-hole and exhaled. A lot of the troops the EU liars had to walk back were the general troops always stationed in Crimea. Others didn’t exist at all. The pics of their tanks, were Ukraine’s tanks. Etc, ad nauseum, why do I bother? They said it, it is therefore a lie: saves time.

    Who Runs the World? Blackrock and Vanguard (Sardi)”

    Speaking of why bother, this is visible, provable, and known, which is why it’s an unhinged conspiracy theory that is totally fake and untrue. True = Untrue. It’s been this way since the 50s, which is why no reporter has ever heard about or reports on it, even though it’s one of the largest influences in most major stories, like MBS bailouts in ’08. Or Obama’s election.

    If it’s true: we won’t touch it. If it’s a lie, we can’t get enough. Clearly, according Time Magazine, it’s RUSSIA that “colluded” with a highly coordinated “cabal” to choose “right guy” in the election. Oh wait: it was Blackrock and England’s MI6. My bad.

    What was that? Squirrel. RussiaRussiaRussia. Laptop Solar doorknob Russia. “Russia shut off the heat to my house!” Oh wait: that was Joe Biden.

    “Coronavirus has proven that austerity was a political choice and that the ‘Magic Money Tree’ really does exist, progressive economists have said.”

    That’s true, and they’re on about $5Trillion already. New “Human Infrastructure” bill being the opposite of the meaning of “Infrastructure”, as every. single. word. ever. said by the Anglos is a lie. Ask any Indian.

    But they are also totally, completely wrong. That’s how gas doubled, lumber went up 5 fold, Bitcoin is at $50k, and the Dow is at 34,000. All helping every rich (white) insider, and hurting every poor (brown) worker. …Sorry to add colors, but otherwise nobody cares if human brothers live or die. Only if their melanin does. Melanin is our god. Because we’re (not) racist.

    So sure, they CAN pay off every U.S. mortgage for like $500B. But Obama didn’t. He gave $23,000 billion to Goldman Sachs and Jamie Dimon, and evicted black neighborhoods instead.

    But printing money has very sudden consequences on prices we are seeing right now. Stock up. The best bet you have after Bitcoin will be canned beans.

    Statistically, father’s custody have the best outcomes. That’s why we universally do the #Opposite. Anything, anything to (hurt) the children. They noticed.

    #73722
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    I read this piece on ZH yesterday about Doug Casey’s take on the Deagel predictions, and it prompted me to re-read Dr. D’s article on Deagel from a couple of months back (I even wonder if Doug Casey didn’t get a lot of his ideas from that Dr. D piece).

    Anyway, what struck me this time was the percentages of population reductions per country: US -70%; UK -80%; Germany: -65%; France -40%, which seem to be remarkably well correlated with the expected vaccine uptake in those countries (yes, there are exceptions). I realize that this is heading far into conspiracy theory territory, but what if the real pandemic isn’t the virus, but the vaccines?

    Then there was Bill Gates a while back talking about “pandemic 2” like it was the latest update to his software and that it was “pandemic 2” that was the one to worry about. Suppose all these vaccines just prime you for the next virus to do you in? Would the whole world have to be in on this, or just a few people who can pull all the media strings?

    If somebody would like to debunk that idea, I’d be only too happy – I’m beginning to sound paranoid.

    #73723
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @absolute galor: I didn’t read yesterday’s NYT article, but I saw the headline when I was working at the grocery store yesterday, and it seemed to me the subtext of the article was, “If you don’t want to get the vaccine, then that means you’re a Trumpster trashcan!” I think the reason so many people are jumping on the vaccine wagon is that they are desperately needy for social permission to “go back to normal”. I really do think that at some point, people are going to need to realize that recovering any semblance of normalcy is going to mean learning how to live with Covid.

    But what makes the prospect of learning how to live with it so daunting is that our picture of the science is so muddled and cloudy thanks to corporate-greed economics and establishment power-politics. On one extreme you have Hillary Clinton partisans who believe the conventional wisdom to be wisdom because it’s conventional and endorsed by establishment publications, and on the other extreme you have Trumpster whackos who think gynecological problems are caused by having sex with demons and witches who appear to one in dreams and that the vaccination program is a deliberate conspiracy to instigate a mass genocide. Parsing out a science- and reality-based picture of the truth about the pandemic becomes a daunting task for those of us who realize that there’s more to dealing with a contagious respiratory virus than regurgitating Twitter-memes.

    And this goes back to what I was saying yesterday about living in an age of profound decadence, incompetence, and irrationality. If Covid would have happened thirty or even twenty years ago, I don’t think there would be this much cultural insanity around it. But I knew an age like this was coming as far back as 1994 when I was a socially-maladjusted 27-year-old. I knew back then that it was going to be bad, but of course, I didn’t imagine it would be this bad. Though I probably didn’t want to think too deeply about how bad the distant future was going to be when I already had enough on my plate dealing with my rather deep and intense social and spiritual maladjustment!

    #73724
    absolute galore
    Participant

    @Polder Dweller wrote: “…what if the real pandemic isn’t the virus, but the vaccines? …If somebody would like to debunk that idea, I’d be only too happy – I’m beginning to sound paranoid. “

    In the as far as I can imagine unlikely event that the vaccine(s) make people more receptive to dying when the next virus hits, it will more likely be because the folks that are currently experimenting with blocking the sun did not foresee the problem, not because they engineered it that way. It would be a good Hulu miniseries though, if it isn’t already.

    #73725
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    @absolute galore

    I agree that it would be an unforeseen flaw in the vaccines rather than something deliberately built in. Still, if you know how the vaccines work in detail, maybe these flaws do exist. Otherwise, and perhaps more likely, a year or down the line, blood clot problems start happening more often.

    I don’t really believe all this, it just occurred to me when I re-read the Dr. D. piece.

    #73726
    Mr. House
    Participant

    ” On one extreme you have Hillary Clinton partisans who believe the conventional wisdom to be wisdom because it’s conventional and endorsed by establishment publications, and on the other extreme you have Trumpster whackos who think gynecological problems are caused by having sex with demons and witches who appear to one in dreams and that the vaccination program is a deliberate conspiracy to instigate a mass genocide.”

    Wow.

    #73727
    Mr. House
    Participant

    show us on the doll where the trump supporters hurt you

    #73728
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Rumour has it Mary Magdeline was sort of an area pop star, like Madonna or Brittany Spears. She became famous, rich, and yet hollow as those successes are. So as she turned to other things, and just as Madonna turned to the Kabbalah, Mary M. backed the religious star of the age, and like other powerful billionaires like Joseph of Arimathea, followed on and donated essentially their lives and fortunes to this young rabbi promoting hope and change.

    Thus you can see the historic slander against her, sort of is, sort of ain’t, and so on. If he trusts her, and she’s dedicated to putting her life in a good direction, who am I to second guess?

    Later, Joseph, seeing Rome dissolve into fatal madness as would be under Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, fled to the safest, most distant portion of his fortune, his British tin mines by Cornwall, ending up in Glastonbury. Another acolyte that gave up his fortune and changed the world. Free choice. Choosing good, not evil.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/roman-authorities-investigating-jesus-for-violating-stay-in-tomb-order

    How dare you! Don’t you know your walking around resurrecting people puts everyone in danger? He must be stopped!

    #73729
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Arizona Democrats File Last Minute Lawsuit Seeking To Block 2020 Election Audit

    “The Arizona Democratic Party and Steve Gallardo, the sole Democrat on the five-member Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, argue in the lawsuit that the planned audit is in violation of “various statutory and Election Procedures Manual provisions.” They allege that the planned audit lacks various safeguards and requirements are lacking to perform a secure and reliable audit, and as such, the planned audit “undermines the integrity and security” of the state’s elections and voter information.”

    Wait, rules and procedure matter? I thought we decided they didn’t, i’m so confused.

    #73730
    Dr. D
    Participant

    If it’s predicted everywhere, and listed for decades in papers and thinktanks, it’s in multiple medical test runs and scenarios, it’s so well known it’s in dozens of movies and miniseries down to the details, like Songbird, if thousands of doctors told them, if they know mRNA failed constantly for the last 10 years for exactly this problem, if thousands of scientists have been examining their own failures with a microscope for the last 10 years, looking and they do it anyway…

    …How is it still an “accident”?

    Can we stop now? If you have knowing, craven, reckless disregard for human life, and someone gets killed, it is a violent felony, punishable by law in any nation at any time in human history. As it had predicating felonies, it is under every law we have, murder. As it involves more than 1, likely more than 100 deaths, it is legally mass murder. You can argue manslaughter, and I’m fine with that, but that’s not what the law says.

    Reckless disregard for life while in commission of a crime, is murder. At a minimum. I can make a strong case it is intentional, not unintentional, and is also a crime against humanity, globally, should anything ever happen as may be happening now. So can we stop with “Nobody knowd”, “it’s an accident” now? I knowd since February, and I’m an uneducated moron. My proof? ‘Cause I told everyone back then and that’s what they said.

    Anyway, my article was more about other things, although that exact depopulation is certainly a fine possibility that China would want and approve of. They have to or they’ll die, and as soon as it happened, they said they need +3 Chinese children. Huh? Yesterday you were running out of food. They’ve been asking Deagle that question for nearly 10 years. How, what, huh, excuse me? And P.S. who is Deagle? In 2021 how do we have lavishly researched and funded influencers running around with complete anonymity? If they were Don Jr and Alex Jones do you think their backers wouldn’t have long been discovered by the CIA/NSA and leaked? The NY Times would leak “anonymous sources” just for fun even if completely false. So who are they?

    All we need to know is not everyone is doing their job with good intent.

    #73731
    The Black
    Participant

    “Nothing will fundamentally change” – Joe Biden, 2020

    #73732
    Mr. House
    Participant

    What was on anthony wieners laptop again?

    #73733
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #73734
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Rembrandt van Rijn Christ and St Mary Magdalene at the Tomb”

    Nice hat.

    #73735
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “First time I’ve seen this. Many countries will follow. No investigation allowed.”

    There will be blood. In a world awash with arms and pain, the removal of civil justice for the death of loved ones will mean blood: in the office, in the mall, in the streets, in their homes.

    As zerosum (iirc) often reminds us, this gets the attention of the elites. Having made phony money and weapons their main industries, they find that they have sold their Monopoly on Violence along with their justification for Rule Under Law.

    #73736
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “A big nothing. But a warning at the same time.” (russian troops on Ukraine border)

    Also functional, imo. Sabre-rattling overlaps with sabre practice. They showed the world that it looks like they can hit hard but they also demonstrated to themselves that they genuinely can hit hard.

    Systems?

    Check.

    Return to base.

    #73737
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “.. render foreign satellite navigation systems completely useless, disabling an enemy’s high-precision weapons.”

    This polishes and zaps my tinfoil chapeau. Putin has to know who the major puppet-masters are. They can’t shove him around so they have to deal with him. This press release’s timing works perfectly for a tidy dismantling of the Ukraine belligerency while allowing it to continue muttering and flustering awhile yet. The message is clear:

    with conventional weapons, the USA is a sitting duck all around to Russia, period. DOA. The only option is nuclear war, Putin can say, not bluffing, and have them know this is true. It’s too ubiquitously blatant even for sociopathic NPD chowderheads to pretend otherwise.

    In a nuclear war, both sides are sitting ducks but even there, Russia again has precision hypersonics, highly superior air defense, and close to ten % more warheads, period.

    I think that the non-nuclear controlled demolition of the USA is going spankingly well from that perspective which, for me, is kind of the only perspective, really. Everything else pales compared to full-out nuclear war. Don’t give me no biowar this or cyberwar that: full nuclear war is the REAL Armageddon full meal deal.

    So I’m mostly tickled pink except that sick part of me raised on Hollywood spectacle.

    Some savvy soul ir probably already printing out We Are Ukraine t-shirts. A first run for the fake sympathy crowd. Another one with added words like: that really SUCK.

    #73738
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #73739
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    “…unproven treatments like Hydroxychloroquine.”

    Well, technically neither the Covid vaccines nor HCQ have received FDA “approval” to prevent and/or lessen Covid symptoms. At least HCQ has received FDA approval for other purposes and we know what the long term side effects are.

    #73740
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    You don’t have to read Deagle or Dr. D or anything at all to KNOW that things are breaking down at an unprecedented pace – everywhere. Just be in the world and look closely, and you will see it for yourself. Giving your full attention to it, without attachment (judgement/narratives/beliefs) – will reveal your DESTINY. Understanding your DESTINY prepares you. The process of personal DISCOVERY becomes your GUIDE and you have entered your personal “training camp” for preparing for what lies ahead.

    When I said: “A complete UNRAVELING is our DESTINY. It is the only Way forward. Humanity (on a large enough scale) is incapable of a change/a shift in consciousness at this time…However you, as an individual, can make a shift. In the process you will have to prepare yourself to let go of it all, all of it.”

    How to prepare to let go?

    Being prepared mentally, spiritually, and physically (yes, you need all 3) is essential. My training camp is right outside my front door. Each morning I leash my Border Collie and head out into the forest and hills. On my daily 3-mile-ish trek (in under an hour depending on my dog’s nose and if the squirrel, deer, bear, fox, or mountain lion has been about) my eyes open and the training begins. Crossing the seasonal creek on my property border, I note how the watershed is nearly dry and it is only April. I hear my boots crunching the earth and the dust kicks up, man its dry, bone dry and it’s only April. Heading up the trail there are dead trees everywhere. They are dying and dropping so fast it is impossible to tally the loss. A good wind puts many down to their final rest. Even the hearty manzanita are dying. The forest is a tinder box and it’s only April. Spring flowers are trying their best, and many are popping through; it is in their Nature to live, to come up, to try, to be. Grasses are not in abundance, what will the deer eat come June? It does not matter why we have a drought, or who/what caused it. It is here and the reality is that there is DEATH all around me. Face it Susan.

    I have cried, shouted, kicked, and screamed. I have come to KNOW it is not in my hands, I can not fix it. I can only bear witness – which is powerful in its own Way. I can, in the end translate the reality into LOVE. Pure LOVE. I can let go.

    #73741
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ absolute galore

    “So, we are putting sanctions on the country that is our 3rd leading supplier of oil? It seems to me that Russia could rather easily find other buyers for these half a million barrels a day–China, for instance–if push comes to shove. Or is the plan to roll a few tanks over the border, put up a green zone around the Kremlin, and take over the Russian oil fields? Another idea that should work out just fine.”

    I think we just roll over and say moo.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-tenders-euro/exclusive-russias-rosneft-to-switch-to-euros-in-oil-products-tenders-traders-idUSKCN1VB15J”

    “AUGUST 21, 20193:58 AMUPDATED 2 YEARS AGO Exclusive: Russia’s Rosneft to switch to euros in oil products tenders – traders”

    Rosneft switches contracts to euros from dollars due to U.S. sanctions

    “VERONA/MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia’s largest oil company Rosneft ROSN.MM has fully switched the currency of its contracts to euros from U.S. dollars in a move to shield its transactions from U.S. sanctions, its Chief Executive Igor Sechin said on Thursday.”

    #73742
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ absolute galore

    “But I find myself quickly labeled an anti-vaxxer if it comes up that I have not been vaccinated. Since my reasoning for not being vaccinated is I don’t believe the situation warrants in most cases, and it is quickly taking us into totalitarian behavoir under the guise of public health, I thought it was important to express these views to others. But almost everyone is so on board, all it does is make people angry at me. (if people were dropping dead around me a la the plague, I would definitely take my place in the vaccination line). One friend last night asked me if I would let my 11-year-old get vaccinated.”

    I say to them: you’re scared of covid. I’m concerned about covid but I’m far more scared of the vaccine and this ionside-out public health policy response we’ve been dealing with for over a year now with no discernible benefits but many discernible costs including physical illness. I’m scared both for me personally and for the general public. I’ve spent easily 20 hours researching this issue, including some glaringly eye-draioning fine print in medical papers. You think I’m wrong, I I think that what you think of me won’t keep my health intact. I think getting angry and ganging up on me shows that you’re scared and willing to bully others.

    I’m not scared. I don’t bully others. Go find someone else to pick on and pretend you know more than them.

    It’s not an argument you win. It’s an argument you end… like ending a fight: FU, I don’t care, you’re stupid and your mama smells funny.

    It’s all childish ego. Treat ’em like the commercials they incessantly consume treat them: like dumbshit. Treat ’em with the schoolyard clique peer pressure they still live by.

    But smile as you do it. It’s not only powerful psyop but it’s good for your soul, especially if you can take the power you’ve just created by making this Temporary Autonomous Zone (I know; Hakim Bey’s a creep) and giving the surplus to yourself in the form of love for them in your heart.

    Do I think it is literally possible to kill someone with kindness alone? I don’t know. But I’d LOVE to find out.

    Hmmm…. maybe I should print out some 3 x 5 generic responses.

    #73743
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ POlder Dweller

    “Anyway, what struck me this time was the percentages of population reductions per country: US -70%; UK -80%; Germany: -65%; France -40%, which seem to be remarkably well correlated with the expected vaccine uptake in those countries (yes, there are exceptions). I realize that this is heading far into conspiracy theory territory, but what if the real pandemic isn’t the virus, but the vaccines?”

    Consider the other overlaps between these countries: zombie economies imploding; similar responses to covid, similarly unheralthy overfed population (France not so much but then France is the least at 40%), all under the increasingly bull’s eye red flag umbrella of NATO… so I see the vaccine as just part of a generaly concert of shared folly.

    #73745
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Susmarie108

    “I have cried, shouted, kicked, and screamed. I have come to KNOW it is not in my hands, I can not fix it. I can only bear witness – which is powerful in its own Way. I can, in the end translate the reality into LOVE. Pure LOVE. I can let go.”

    I love you.

    For you:

    The Gift

    #73746
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    But also this:

    The Fortunate Ones

    #73747
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I beging typing kovid instead of covid today. (cue Hollywood determination music)

    #73748
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    One more note on covid conversations:

    a major reason I kvetch so much about kvetching is that this tends to place the semantic information by which one can dispell covid myths in memories banks accessed by and laced with…. anger.

    And no one listens to an anrgry person, only their tone… unless the angry person is holding a baseball bat whereby you get their deeper attention. 😉

    Kvetching makes it hard to compete with smiling psychopaths who manipulate us so well. Kvetching makes it hard to smile at your neighbor as you deconstruct his biases. Deconstructing hir cognitive biases makes hem uncomfortable via cognitive dissonance. SMiling gives them the strength they need to get through it.

    Fauci always smiles. Less and less, he’s falling apart, but he got this far by getting on TV and smiling avuncularly while sticking to essential talking points.

    #73752
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ‘One more note on covid conversations:’

    Kovid conversations 😉

    #73753
    Antidote
    Participant
    #73757
    christianarchist
    Participant

    In gratitude for the sense of fellowship I get from reading these comments, I’d like to share a few thoughts that occur to me this morning.
    1) Letting your attention be captured by the enemy will lead to your downfall. I am in danger of this.
    2) Failing to be aware will also lead to your downfall. Most everyone I know is in this.
    3) Here in the intellectual desert that is the Seattle area, I have been driving myself more than a bit mad trying to figure out what is going on in the world, and sending signals to my local peers in the hope of locating allies. But no-one replies, and I fear I am both exhausting and exposing myself, thereby compromising my ability to defend and nurture my young family.
    4) We who love and will stand for life and truth must eventually gather together, but I don’t know where and I don’t know how.

    #73758
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    The video embedded in your article inclusion

    “Who Runs The World ?”

    It definitely crystallized my perception of what is happening. Wow!

    #73762
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    christianarchist: sending along a bit of hope from that “other coast”. 😉 I don’t know where and I don’t know how, either. But you are not alone. Hang in.

    #73763
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    • One Dose Of Pfizer Or Oxford Jab Reduces Covid Infection Rate By 65% (G.)

    One aspect of that study, not mentioned in any of the news articles I’ve seen about it, is that the fully-vaccinated people were not protected against Covid-19 infection to a higher degree than the unvaccinated people who previously had a Covid-19 infection.

    There was no evidence of a difference in odds of new SARS-CoV-2 infection for individuals having received two vaccine doses and with evidence of prior infection but not vaccinated… This could be an important consideration during policy development over COVID-status certification or “COVID passports”, and supports considering both prior PCR/serological testing and vaccination data for this.”

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.22.21255913v1.full.pdf

    #73764
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310013401
    Life expectancy at various ages, by population group and sex, Canada1

    Interesting
    If you made it to 25 you can expect to live for another 55.2 years to 80.2
    If you made it to 60 you can expect to live for another 22.8 years to 82.8
    If you made it to 70 you can expect to live for another 15.2 years to 85.2
    If you made it to 75 you can expect to live for another 11.9 years to 86.9
    If you made it to 80 you can expect to live for another 9.1 years to 89.1
    If you made it to 85 you can expect to live for another 6.8 years to 91.8
    If you made it to 90 you can expect to live for another 5.1 years to 95.1

    #73765
    zerosum
    Participant

    We are like the bunny that keeps going and going through lies and truth.

    #73766
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    The study I linked above clarifies that the effectiveness of the vaccines is measured using a control population who have no evidence of a earlier Covid-19 infection.

    Since the vaccines were found to work no better than the natural immunity conferred by a prior Covid-19 infection, this could slanted to mean that the vaccine effectiveness at preventing a Covid infection is zero percent (0%) in a population that has previously been infected.

    #73767
    Mr. House
    Participant
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