Alexander Carpenter
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DBS at #140057: It is no coincidence that truth-telling is the principal recommendation (insistence?) of Jordan B. Peterson, as the foundation of all integrity, individual and collective. Vox clamantis in deserto.
Human Behavioral Algorithms in perpetual draft mode, as new resonances and nuances come to awareness…
Possibly as complex a system as we will ever encounter with any intimacy, and it’s us…
And here’s a paleoclimate tidbit for AFKTT and his ilk:
A Brief History of Climate, From Prehistory to The Imaginary Crisis of the 21st Century
Another beyond-coherent context-embracing overview (with comments) of the Ukraine (and overall geopolitical) situation:
https://www.ecosophia.net/notes-on-stormtrooper-syndrome/
One must wonder how we ‘highly-evolved” humans manage to remain trapped in the deja vu looping that becomes painfully obvious only in retrospect. It is, I propose, because our fundamental mythology about ourselves is incorrect, in that it overvalues our cognitive powers and totally disregards (and even denies, when given the opportunity) the biological (gene-based-with-cultural-elaborations) algorithmic almost-imperatives that define our individual and collective behaviors.
When I get to my computer later today, I’ll post the Dropbox link to a doc that explores in depth this matter recognized by a few (including Greer, above)…
The failure to step outside our cognitive-mythology is a classic example of how when your premises are wrong, you will ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answers, reach the wrong conclusions (and believe in them, especially if the premises are belief-based).For those of us who seek to understand the actual, legitimate science that is developing about the Earth’s climate, here is the current iteration of a weekly collection of research reports and commentary:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/31/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-561/
Both Watts Up With That (WUWT) and Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) are news aggregators that represent the honest scientific-method approach to understanding climate dynamics as a science, as well as examine its denial, corruption, and politicization, and are an excellent antidote to the hype and hysteria we get from the Standard Narrative and its dupes (or co-conspirators) such as AFKTT.
Aspnaz…
The Chinese government does not like being ripped off and will not pay high medical prices if it considers there to be an alternative. The nice part of this story was that the medical industry received a kick to the shins. Of course, those people who were trying to milk the Chinese system will have returned to the USA and Europe and be spreading bad vibes about China.
Don’t trust them – always a good policy – but they are not just like the USA where corporations rule.
…and neither are the Russians. So many “primitive” folks are just like we were a hundred or so years ago, before we got “hegemonized” and “financialized.” Do we whiff a civilizational trajectory pattern here? And, yes, “Turnings…” And what was that about rhyming? And nothing to actually do about it, but tend our gardens.
My plants’ leaves have nine lobes, here at 9 degrees north latitude.
Phoenixvoice, and others…
The responsible-adult approach is to “Trust but verify.” Paranoia and helplessness are averted as any dissonances are revealed, to guide further relationship and engagement (if any).
I posted a longish message just now, and reloaded, to find this note atop the comments:
This topic has 29 replies, 12 voices, and was last updated 2 seconds ago by Alexander Carpenter
Except that the message text that I submitted wasn’t there at the bottom of the comments column (or anywhere else, for that matter).
And I lost the text of that message because copying the note overwrote the text of my message in the copy buffer. Now that’s three messages lost. It seems that we must go to awkward and elaborate lengths to double-assure that we don’t lose our writings and engagements here.
Admins: I’m trusting that you are getting it together and eliminating the mis-directions such as the anti-spam distraction (Pretending to not be censorship? Part of some sort of covert suppression of the site overall? What…?)
And let’s see if this comment elicits the anti-spam fake-robot…
And what happened to my last message that has disappeared in the existential struggle against spam?
Please advise…
If AFKTT’s “science” were as well-developed as his invective, abuse, badgering, and shaming skills, he would just shut up as having no basis for his fear-mongering. Mean and nasty, with no space for learning new insights and admitting error, and committed to (imprisoned in?) his premises and rhetoric, AFKTT just tries to beat up those who are more astute than he and his “owners” about the realities of our changing climate. What an asshole.
Dr. D, Raul, and others have it right, AFKTT and his “sources” have it wrong, but in service to some agenda they cannot (or at least do not) acknowledge. What is it? ‘Fess up…
Perhaps he is projecting when he proposes that the climate common-sense of the commenters here who do know the actual science is undermining the credibility of the rest of the content and analysis here at TAE. Maybe that is part of his own conscious intention.
Otherwise why so much vitriol about “fake narratives” and our failure to suck up to his own.
Shame on him for making an absolutist obsession about some crackpot “doom” into such a rant supported only by “factoids” out of context and/or simply wrong.
Since authentic climate science (as imperfect as it is) is readily available were he to look, the only credible explanation for his rants and bullying is that he has an ulterior motive and is serving some covert agenda with evil intent. Why? Qui bono?Error: Slow down; you move too fast.
Error: Duplicate reply detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that.OK, sorry. But do put my first comment in, in order, please. Typing in a small moving bus can be twitchy…
Oh, and Observer, while less shrill, isn’t doing much better at the basic science, either.
What’s it gonna take to get folks to pay attention? After all, all the essential information is readily available a few clicks away online.
It is complicated, and requires some intelligence to comprehend, and there is a lot we haven’t figured out yet, but the broad strokes are known. And – more important for now — we can definitely falsify the Carbon Cult hysteria-hypotheses and experience some modicum of confident sanity.Also note the extensive comments providing valuable-overview perspective (much like here at TAE).
What’s it gonna take to shut up the retard neurotics, hidden-agenda ideologues, and presstitutes?
Dr. D, such an expectation of AFKTT has already been falsified, for there is already plenty of information that demolishes his beliefs, and no factual evidence that supports them. None at all… so they are some kind of neurotic fascination with doom and an identity-prop that requires projection of folly or even evil onto those with more sense who would dare to oppose his scenario.
aspnaz: The factual statement is “Some Jews used terrorism to…”
Others didn’t.
Also, perhaps it’s fair to mention that some non-Jews used terrorism to…
And others didn’t.
Gosh, how definitive.
Are you a prisoner of your abstractions? Sure seems that way.For those of us not paying attention, those docs are referenced in
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/forums/topic/debt-rattle-june-19-2023/page/2/#post-137309post-post-Modern Paradigm (on pages 4 and 5; the rest is context)
Yes, Jewishness itself is not an indicator of any trait in any given individual. Even less-so is the claim of Jewishness made by that individual or others. Still no identified universal common trait or behavior shared by all Jews — except, perhaps, as projections by others needing a target for their otherwise-amorphous bigotry and unresolved internal tensions. I have lots of problems with many Jews, but none of them are simply because they are Jews (of whatever strain).
Again, sanity requires that we hold people responsible for what they do far more (if at all) than for what they “are,” or corrupted ideology- or agenda-bound abstractions become the basis for choices instead of real-world experience and human resonance.
One fundamental error in our civilization is our failure to accurately comprehend human nature, leading to profound systematic errors and abuses because of incorrect and largely untested premises.
I explore the experiential correcting of this at great length in Human Behavioral Algorithms, with the link to that doc to come in tomorrow’s comments since I am not at my computer. And at the risk of seeming pushy, and with delight at being a creative irritant, I’ll also share the link to another frontier-exploring doc, Epistemological Engineering, since this conversation has flirted with explicit exploring of rudimentary epistemology, another fast-evolving (lots of selecting going on) art-and-science.
It should be clear to all of us here that we are all participating in a time of evolving paradigms, with the post-Modern Paradigm being ever-so-gradually replaced (“one funeral at a time”) by a post-post-Modern paradigm (for which we will eventually devise a snappier name). I suppose I should share a doc that wrestles with that process, too…
And please note that I am not interested in being held as an “authority” on anything, but rather as a fellow-traveler on an adventure into new territory, noting landmarks and their potential import for others to experience and signify for themselves. It’s all there, folks, right in front of, and inside, us, often tediously complex and tentative upon first encounter. Sorry about that…And Wikipedia? Not a reliable authority about anything controversial. Not only not authoritative, but also completely corruptible.
The Khazari “thing” started around a thousand years ago.Awkward dance moves are not unique to hipster-whitey, however recognizable that is in them (whoever that might be).
And AFKTT is projecting his own religious-zealotry neurosis yet again, as well as his own anti-whatever and his “well-established” beliefs. Is his “non-science” anti-science, or just nonsense?
So far, I have not found, nor has anyone been able to identify for me, any one trait, or set of traits, that are exclusive to Jews, whatever strain of “Jew” we might focus on. Ditto for any other tribe. Come to think of it, only an individual human can be “unique,” and then only in largely trivial ways, least of all biologically/genetically, then increasing tidbits into the cultural, social, and personal levels.
At the levels of “magic” and “will” there can be all-consuming takeovers by what we from the outside call “evil,” and these in context seem to make the difference between those who care for others and those who don’t. Warped-concentric layers of relation-eligible others connect nearby, and then it’s narcissism and projection all the way out.
The social engineers contrive to substitute an ideology/agenda-based identification for aligning the lost and feckless into a twitching wave of amorphous power given form and direction by the engineers.
And we are back to “Just say ‘No’” if we can first feel, and then see, and then articulate, the racket. Except by serendipitous accident, we can’t escape the fortress/prison of our beliefs and identifications until we figure out that we are in it, locked in, for the vast majority of folks.
As my grandmother used to say, “Watch that first step, it’s a Doozey.”Honest Sorcerer is asking the correct three questions. However, before asking those three questions it is vitally important to ask a set of more important questions — to question one’s premises themselves.
When one’s premises are wrong, one will ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answers, and reach the wrong conclusions (and believe in them, especially if the premises are belief-based).
Without reality-testing one’s premises, it’s all just another onanism of “reasonableness” and confirmation-bias.https://www.unz.com/article/an-appeal-to-readers-stop-the-obsession-with-jews/
Perhaps the euphemism we should use is “red herring.”
Both DBS and Nancy Reagan: “Just say ‘no.’”
Walking away can be the hardest part, and the most “discouraged.”AFKTT: Here’s some information-tending-toward-knowledge:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=Antarctic+sea+iceAFKTT: Wow! One-year change. So effin’ what? Without context, this is just noise. Even with context, this is still just noise. This is like the retards whining about their dread 0.1% ocean-acidification pH change when the routine daily pH ranges 10% or more.
Please learn to tell the differences between data, information, knowledge, and wisdom.
Why do I have the sense that these days everyone around here is waiting for some “other shoe” to drop. What other shoes are hovering? Don’t get me started…
But I am sure that each of us has her (or whatever) favorite, carefully chosen to gratify some desperate longing for resolution, to express some insider resonance, or to be “right” about something, anything, at last.
Are we waiting for The Mob to awaken to increasingly obvious facts and even truths? What if the latency period before we “Snap out of it!” above some critical-mass level to shift us all off our meta-stable hovering?
If most people, even the more-powerful, are waiting for the real decision-makers to decide and decree, even if they don’t know exactly who those are, then we might be in an unresolvable iterative loop of “waiting for Godot” until someone(s) break the stasis because they are frustrated and impatient, manically narcissistic, projecting their own death-wish, or seeking revenge on their ancestors. Or whatever.
How many ways are there for us to be crazy, compared with how many ways to be sane? On that basis alone, we are standing in front of the fan with nowhere else, really, to go, and half blind because we can’t or won’t recognize the fan or the creatures hovering above it.
Traditional wisdom has us tending the garden; our post-Post-Modernist paradigm has us growing pot in it.
OK, folks, take a deep breath now, and then another, and then…And DarkMatter, offering a compromised-data “Here’s a NOAA sea temperature graph” as a… just exactly what? That, and all its ilk, merit a “So what?” since their presentation includes neither premises nor context, just pretend “science” and neurotic fright-wig projection.
Were we more contemptuous of their gropings, we might ask, “So fuuckin’ what?” But we give them some credit for trying to deal with the world, even if they can’t see it straight, or explain what they are claiming the “meaning” and significance are.
“Average,” indeed! A good start at meaningless nonsense. Since nothing in Nature engages the “average” of anything, and since most of the “averages” in the Carbon Cult are meaningless even in its own terms (such as “average global temperature”), this tells us that the graph is nonsense without multiple pages of background and context — and even with.
For perspective, try drawing that graphic with the left-hand axis starting at 0 K, and see how much less significant it looks. Then extend it to cover multiple cycles in time, for the same result.
Next you will use an “anomaly,” another way to exaggerate the import of otherwise meaningless and even boring information. Nothing in Nature engages with “anomalies,” either. Ho, hum…
So what? as an actual, non-rhetorical question Is the only sensible way to relate to the Cultists and the Know-Nothings, returning to them responsibility to explain and justify their posturings and claims. As with their predictions, they fail. Instead, they over-generalize, catastrophize, and resort to ad hominem nit-picking.
It occurs to me that there is some deep origin-drive similarity between this sort of sleazy rhetoric and woke identity-politics, in that it provides empty unexamined gratification for its advocates, is stuck in abstractions and absolutes, while pretending at significance and missing the essence of their relationships with the real world.AFKTT’s predictions are right in there with all (and that means ALL) the other predictions of the climate-doom fetishists: 100% wrong. So that tells us that what he and his fantasies deserve is our scorn and ridicule for being such a sucker (another one born every minute) prattling such hysterical simple-minded nonsense.
The genuine science is available for those who wish a responsible investigation of a matter of sufficient complexity that most (including AFKTT?) can’t wrap their minds around it. But it doesn’t meet the emotional needs of fear-addicts and political-agenda minions.
I wish, though, that it would keep them off the airwaves and quiet in the peanut galleries, but that’s obviously expecting too much.And the greatest “too much” is that they might ever explicitly identify their premises, those assumptions that when revealed demolish their “reasonableness.” Too bad, so sad…Bosco, you might try looking at the actual data from NOAA and comparing that with their “statement.” Then look at all their “fudge factors.” Then root out all their unstated assumptions (“premises”), and then see what sense they all make. Good luck with that…
Am I the only one who interpreted polemos’ response to aspenaz as being, in some devious and perhaps overly subtle way, a humorous and satyrical or mocking-imitative reductio ad absurdam parody? In other words, “pulling his leg”?
With aspenaz returning the perfect literal-minded “straight-man” response? Maybe aspenaz was caught “playing the fool.”
One of those two is taking himself way too seriously.If I were a Ukranian general officer, I would hesitate to initiate any general attack that might generate ethnic-Russian casualties. Were I that general’s boss, ditto. And then…?
There’s a lot of “eventually” before we get to the Western capitals.
Perhaps it’s no wonder that the “war” is now one of words, and is not “kinetic.”
“Putin” plays a great waiting-game, and is more credible for accomplishing “his” stated aims than the cowboys on the other side.
It will be interesting to watch the foldings we expect, from one or both sides.src=”https://autoearth.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/BlackRockFox2.jpg”
alt=”A clue to what’s behind the surface “story”…” />What’s behind this story is that because there’s an (internal) “settlement,” there will be no trial, no discovery, and no evidence revealed for all the world to see.
So there’s a lot more at stake than the money, and Tucker Carlson is a footnote (and I am certain that he will take full advantage of this).
