Alexander Carpenter
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Yes, the Carbon Cult is mental, it is a form of madness. It is hypocritical, in that it relies on invective and “factoids,” while ignoring the actual science, which professes none of the dread certainty that its pretend followers claim. And some (many?) of the Cultists are just opportunists toadying to the backers of the “standard narrative.” Or neurotic children needing a fix of fear.
I am actually proud of those of us here who display the sanity to see through the lies and hysteria of the Cultists and their owners. Climate is a difficult and complex domain; it is poorly understood, so real science is very humble in its claims. We can, however falsify errant claims, so we know with some certainty what isn’t happening with changing climate, even if we aren’t sure about what is — and the Carbon Cult noise has been definitively falsified.
This process is a microcosm of the larger abuse with other fear-mongeries and manipulations. In fact, the more and closer we look, the more we see that the mythologies of our civilization are like that, and that we are steeped in lies and distortions. Where will it end? Let’s find out together, and we are doing a good job so far.And once again, I am posting a comprehensive climate-change doc that addresses all the issues in tedious detail:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0vrpxs5olpserhx/Do%20You%20%22Believe%22%20in%20Climate%20Change%3F.docx?dl=0And I offer this in a larger context of ontology and epistemology:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vnz3ml5z730mds/Epistemological%20Engineering.docx?dl=0Thanks to us all for our hard-won sanities…
AFKTT: Wrong in every detail, and overall. Wrong, wrong,wrong. What’s it gonna take? A lobotomy?
All the actual science is readily available, despite the manipulation, suppression, outright censorship, and hysteria. None are so blind as those who refuse to look…AFKTT is just so very good at demonstrating projection. Most trivially, calling folks “fuckwits” is a start at the pure ad hom fuckwittery he whines about in others; and then using Wikipedia as an “authoritative source” takes fuckwittery to a high level of onanism, given the corrupt abuse of Wikipedia’s open content-architecture by drones such as William Connolly, who is famous for ideologizing as many entries as possible with the carbon Cult pseudo-science. Better, non-science, also known as nonsense. And AFKTT complains about other’s lack of “substantive science” in their comments (despite so many condensing its essence into a few commonsensical truth-telling words)….
When will he learn to just STFU about this? Never is most likely, revealing severe obsessive neurosis and suggesting covert agendas.
But I repeat myself (just like AFKTT).
Drone, drone…Jb-hb is correct, in that at least about the climate nonsense he spouts so dogmatically and fake-authoritatively, AFKTT is quite the fetishist retard. His aggressive-defensive and childishly sleazy invective is an embarrassment on this site, and many of us here are increasingly aware of that — and also aware of what the genuine “climate science” tells us, which isn’t much, and certainly does not justify the cheap-thrills panic and posturing we get from the peanut gallery. That is really just systematic lies hiding behind half-truths and factoids taken out of context (i.e., the real world), and given what we do know, it represents willful ignorance and corrupt ass-kissing to some agenda that we are also increasingly figuring out. So AFKTT is a plant, an ingratiating spy, betraying his own integrity and seeking to subvert ours. Shame on him.
And after all those stupid lies, we can’t believe anything he says. Perhaps he has some sort of death-wish, and even lies to himself about that. Perhaps it is barricaded rage corroding his own self, since he can’t make it stick out there…chooch: If there was a “Fauci Award”, I think I know who A. Carpenter would nominate.
I’m thinking that you mean AFKTT, but that’s just a guess. And no, as far as I can tell, Fauci seems to be a socio- and psycho-pathic liar (compounded by hypocrisy and corruption — and/or maybe a fanatical adherent to some pernicious/evil ideology or agenda), while AFKTT seems to be “merely” neurotic in clinging to anomalous arbitrary beliefs and posturing to “rationalize” them.
The best thing we can do for ourselves is challenge, in a systematic and responsible way, our beliefs. First, and perhaps most difficult, is to recognize them as such, for they usually masquerade as identity-myth-confirming knowledge. Then, well, check out the Epistemological Engineering doc for the rest…And for those folks who might seek to look deeper into the failures of our current science paradigm, and what to do about them (and other failures, of identification and affiliation, of individual and collective responsibility, and of sanity itself), I offer this draft Epistemological Engineering, an overview of what is the largest-context most-fundamental challenge facing our civilization these days: how to think and know about the real world instead of believe in arbitrary subsets of it. In other words, how to develop and apply a complexity-aware paradigm instead of the algorithm-bound “standard-narrative” post-Modern paradigm. This is a major challenge, with much riding on its engagement and resolution:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8vnz3ml5z730mds/Epistemological%20Engineering.docx?dl=0
And considering a different (yet related and parallel) paradigm shift about human nature itself (as indicated by human behavior), here’s a tidbit about that mysterious notion, “algorithmic behavior,” to dispel another set of largely nonsensical beliefs such as tabula rasa and even (sort-of) free will. Enjoy these potential liberations…
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7e8qg9vxac9nkm/Human%20Behavioral%20Algorithms.docx?dl=0
And if you can’t, then suffer on.
Since we are now including more faith-based Carbon Cult nonsense from Ugo Bardi (another otherwise-astute observer), I will once again remind us of this “curriculum” for reviewing the state of what is so ambitiously, and so undeservedly, called “climate science.” After giving this admittedly snarky screed an honest study, and attending a sufficiency of its links, no person with any scientific competence or integrity (or even common sense) could maintain that this nascent science has any legitimate basis to make any sweeping statements about climate-change, especially those with public-policy implications. In fact one might conclude that this politicized “science” is from scratch a policy and agenda driver.
For whom, exactly, is unclear, as unclear as the pretend science itself. No facile answers here, folks, move along, now…Alas, AFKTT, all that effort to no avail: still wrong after all these years. When your premises are wrong, you will (have, evidently) ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answers, and reach the wrong conclusions — and believe in them (especially if the premises are belief-based).
This is ever-more-true when addressing complex non-linear open systems from within a reductionist linearizing paradigm, as is evident you have.
Should you wish, I would be happy to once agin share with you (and all) a “curriculum” such as I have described and recommended in my most-recent comment, even though you have evidenced no open-mindedness to such an engagement.
Aggressive-defensive braggadocio will never substitute for truth (as opposed to “Truth”). Recall Einstein, in responding to a book entitled something like 100 Scientists Prove Einstein Wrong, saying something like “If I were wrong, all it would take is one.”
So far, you ain’t the one.I an truly sorry, AFKTT, that you are unable to investigate the realities for yourself on this issue. Were you to do so, you would not have to prattle your non-evidence and invective and could remember that others have done actual science and dispelled the miasma of belief into which the Carbon Cult seduces the unwary. All those “anti-whatevers,” and yet those of us who are paying attention to the real world don’t have to be “anti,” since the facts are available for all who look. Why haven’t you? What is your need to believe (with consequent rants)?
What is preventing you from abandoning this cultish belief-structure, and looking deeper below the lies pretending to be “science”?
There is no physical evidence whatsoever that human activities affect global climate. None.
There is lots of politicized fake “evidence” that doesn’t hold up to scientific examination, but evidently fools you (or allows you to fool yourself). Why?
We all share serious real-world challenges, and the blather you drivel (or is it the drivel you blather?) just makes it more difficult for many to see the genuine challenges and address them sensibly, which serves the liars’ overall agenda. You are their fake-smart tool, their dupe, their servant, even if you appear to accurately see through some of their lies.
This is a puzzlement. Were you my student, I would assign you an arbitrary task, to prepare a coherent, well-researched thesis that is the antithesis of your beliefs in this matter, starting by setting them aside and then researching from tabula rasa scratch. Taking the “other side” in this “debate.” Presenting fairly what just might turn out to be a refutation of them. From that process, you could see a whole ‘nother reality, a larger reality, and any native integrity you possess would compel you to shift your stance out of monomaniacal belief and into an actual scientific perspective that is not so dogmatic and obsessive (and desperately shrill).
But that might be a bridge too far, too erosive of some identity-myth, too sane.So AFKTT is still twitching in his neurotic CAGW onanism, despite the fact that it is not only just flat wrong as science, but is stupid as a religion, suicidal as policy, and hypocritical as environmentalism.
What’s it gonna take to get him off this foolish fetish of farcical fallacy? If it truly represents his ground of being and his relating to the world, then everything derived from that premise is crippled by that error, along with his overall credibility in every other domain.
How differently would we regard Michael Hudson or Colonel MacGregor were we to learn that on the side they espoused the Q-Anon beliefs, practiced secret rituals in a genital-mutilation cult, or (horrors) could actually define “woman”?
The Carbon Cult is yet another fear-mongering manipulation of the divide-and-conquer debilitation powers, and that should be obvious to any adult observer (however rare those might be anymore). It is, simply, a willful lie, and all who repeat it are dupes, and self-deluding liars as well.
Enough!DBS: The correct disposition of the Ukrainian territories (which I’m certain Russia understands very clearly) will be to incorporate back into Russia all of those areas in which the majority consider themselves to be citizens of the Nation that calls itself Russia. All of the “non-Russian” areas, populated by people with a strong sense of identification as Ukrainians, would then become Ukraine. This “new” Ukraine would then be an actual nation, and as such it would have to conduct itself in a manner which its neighbors could tolerate and/or deal with appropriately . . . . just like every other nation on the frigging planet has to do all of the time, including now.
The trouble comes from all those significant regions where a majority of the people identify as neither Russian nor Ukrainian: the Poles around Lviv, the Hungarians in the Trans…whatever, the Romanians in another Trans.., the Moldavians in yet another Trans.., and the Byelorussians in the north. And maybe others…
When these have all met their fate, who knows what might remain and what should be done with it.
I am certain that there is a faction in the Kremlin that would like to see “The Ukraine” entirely disappear off the face of the earth, as a suitable fate and just karma for its wicked past.
And never forget that “the Ukrainians” are about as Russian as anyone, in terms of ethnicity, language, culture, and subtextual essences, with only relative minor tribal differences, so returning them back within “Mother Russia” would have historical resonances and anchors and could become the least of their concerns.
Again, we foresee some delicate balancing-acts.Also consider the dynamics of territorial disposition: if the Russians really do recover the entirety of Ukrania, do they officially grant the territories of the “Trans….” districts to their neighboring countries, or do they maintain the present borders and demonstrate their moral rectitude by treating the Ethnic citizens as well as the ethnic Russians in those districts and encouraging trans-border integration?
Simply being a “good guy” and doing a “good deed” can be its own reward, but in our world these days it is advantageous to provide active ongoing evidence (and dispel historical grievances).
Interesting decisions to be made about appearances — of empire-building versus regional, mutually beneficial integration of peers.Just a side-note here: recognize that at least one reason that the Russians (not “Putin”) haven’t launched their famous “spring offensive” is that they know full well that the UAF is out of ammo and they consider attacking and killing unarmed men (and children and women) to be dishonorable.
Perhaps killing unarmed Nazis might be considered a semi-legitimate exception, but how to sort them out from afar?eugyppius on the “EMO.” Best meta-analysis yet, takes us out of the weeds and into the light of day:
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/bill-gates-the-global-depopulation
Rather discouraging, but who really thought we faced a simple challenge? At least now we see the depths and origins of much that otherwise doesn’t make sense. Thank you, eugyppius…
Theists versus Atheists…. Ho hum. False dichotomy.
Theists versus Atheists versus Agnostics… Ho Hum. False trichotomy.What none of these three seem able to do is establish some reason (other than narcissistic projection and identity-myth mongering) why any of this matters, why even bother to ask the question?
What if this entire conversation were magically to disappear from our civilization – i.e., if the biological-level religion-algorithms were to be wiped from our genomes (and also from the cultural and social levels)?
Would we be better off?
Would some mad genius reinvent the whole noise?
What if we add a fourth position (or non-position, if you will): that of indifference? As we maintain to the squabbles of small children?
Lots of noise, little signal…OK, Guys… What is the URL/WebLink to directly access the “New Tech Exclusive” ranter who is so entertaining and right on? What is his name (if he even tells us)?
He is in the Comment 131056 above, from Oroboros.
And is he the Worm Oroboros, or some kind of Mobius strip? We should all be so lucky…
AFKTT: The inability (unwillingness) of people to distinguish between real world events and the fake narratives of The Empire of Lies and their insistence on lumping them into one basket is dismal, isn’t it?
And here we have a self-indictment. Dismal, indeed. AFKTT is failing to distinguish between the pseudo-science of the fake “Climate Change” narrative (aka “Global Warming”), the pseudo-science of the fake Covid and “vaccine” narratives, the fake puppet-show political narratives, and the fake economic narratives. Why? It’s not clear, except that a sensible person might suspect that he has some neurotic need to believe in at least something. A fear-addiction, perhaps?
They are all fake narratives, and those pretending to be based on “science” are the most fake of all, and the most thoroughly debunked (by actual science). Maybe AFKTT is simply unable to comprehend how science works — and that suggests he is also unable to comprehend how the so-called “real world” works. Back to kindergarten, fella…Let us not forget another prescient book that illuminates both the malignant and disfunctional featherbedding of “administrators” and “management,” as well as the corrupt and hypocritical exploitation of our institutions by the “owners” and their minions:
The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy, by Christopher Lasch, from 1996
https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Elites-Betrayal-Democracy/dp/0393313719
From the Amazon listing: “[A] passionate, compelling, and disturbing argument that the ills of democracy in the United States today arise from the default of its elites.” ―John Gray, New York Times Book Review (front-page review)
In a front-page review in the Washington Post Book World, John Judis wrote: “Political analysts have been poring over exit polls and precinct-level votes to gauge the meaning of last November’s election, but they would probably better employ their time reading the late Christopher Lasch’s book.” And in the National Review, Robert Bork says The Revolt of the Elites “ranges provocatively [and] insightfully.”
Controversy has raged around Lasch’s targeted attack on the elites, their loss of moral values, and their abandonment of the middle class and poor, for he sets up the media and educational institutions as a large source of the problem. In this spirited work, Lasch calls out for a return to community, schools that teach history not self-esteem, and a return to morality and even the teachings of religion. He does this in a nonpartisan manner, looking to the lessons of American history, and castigating those in power for the ever-widening gap between the economic classes, which has created a crisis in American society. The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy is riveting social commentary.
Garland hit for admitting DOJ prosecutes more pro-lifers than ‘terrorists’ because pro-lifers act in daylight –‘Any fool knows that the time of day has absolutely nothing to do with it,’ said one Twitter user | 1 March 2023 | Twitter users blasted U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland on Wednesday after he explained that the U.S. Department of Justice has prosecuted more pro-life activists blocking abortion clinic centers than pro-choicers firebombing pregnancy centers because pro-lifers operate in the “daylight.” Garland made the point that it was easier for the U.S. government to carry out justice against pro-lifers than pregnancy center arsonists in a Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on Wednesday. Garland’s claims came after several U.S. senators, including Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, grilled him on what they perceived as is a double standard in the DOJ’s treatment of pro-lifers versus violent pro-choice activists.
This is pathetic. It’s like the drunk looking for his lost keys under the streetlamp because “that’s where the light is.”
Turn OFF spelling and grammar auto-correct, but leave ON the alerts when the OS doesn’t recognize something. That way YOU are the authoritative editor, instead of some idiot AI.
Dr. D Rich, it may be that Sy Hersch’s expose of the NordStream demolition is a “subsidized” limited hangout designed to distract from even more damaging revelations and to protect even more important perpetrators.
The way back to truth can be even more fraught than the way from…DBS at 128278: What you are describing here is called “Control Fraud Racketeering.” It is the universal fundamental governance-strategy and tactic od the corporatized neo-fascist neo-feudal rule of the Owners and their minions. I describe CFR and its context at length here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p1eteywgj1qicym/CFR%2C%20CSE%2C%20%26%20PC.docx?dl=0
And many others have recognized and explored this recognized pattern online. Look it up, folks; you too will recognize it.
And here is an exploration of one application, in the Cannabis “scene” in California:
<a href=”https://www.dropbox.com/s/a59kpyvzsayun61/CannabisManifestoofError.docx?
dl=0″>https://www.dropbox.com/s/a59kpyvzsayun61/CannabisManifestoofError.docx?dl=0
Enjoy (if that’s what it is, except as a rueful enlightenment)…I think it’s appropriate to feel glee at the unravelling of the Biden scam, but remember that Biden (and everyone else we can actually see) is a puppet, Some may be players as well, but their double role is well disguised. All the puppets together make the scam work, and are assisted by opportunists, egotists, and moral (and physical) cowards.
So there’s a whole pyramid whose top we can’t distinguish or engage directly, and most of the sheep and many of the goats just giggle (or rage) at the puppets, and stop there. By design.
Also note the selection-process: the “vaccine” is thinning the herd of the sheep far more than it is that of the goats, structurally undermining the puppet-masters (and their overlords). Enough to “save civilization”?
Maybe we are better off if our narcissistic “civilization” as we know it is not saved, but rather compelled to reincarnate itself, perhaps even learning some humbling lessons from this glorious debacle.
I wouldn’t miss this for the world…Oroboros, would you be so kind as to share with us the URL of the California Pot Rant you shared two days ago? Many of us in that… what shall I call it?… community at the time of the fake-legalization Prop 64 anticipated exactly the outcome we are seeing now, and I’d like to share this video with others. Fortunately, Californians are allowed to grow six plants on their own, and I took great delight in teaching them how to grow five-pound (or even more) plants — so they could give it away and subvert the corrupt system. People in a state with a 20-year history of black-market and semi-legal Prop 215 marketplace know full well how how to operate mostly outside the “official” system, and so the fake-legalization scam was doomed from the start, as the huge glut of weed in California and migrating mysteriously all over the country has shown us. Only part of that is from “drug cartels,” for lots of ordinary folks grow and share generously, often even making honest money at it. Thanks…
Oroboros, would you be so kind as to share with us the URL of the California Pot Rant you shared yesterday? Many of us in that… what shall I call it?… community at the time of the fake-legalization Prop 64 anticipated exactly the outcome we are seeing now, and I’d like to share this video with others. Fortunately, Californians are allowed to grow six plants on their own, and I took great delight in teaching them how to grow five-pound (or even more) plants — so they could give it away and subvert the corrupt system. People in a state with a 20-year history of black-market and semi-legal Prop 215 marketplace know full well how how to operate mostly outside the “official” system, and so the fake-legalization scam was doomed from the start, as the huge glut of weed in California and migrating mysteriously all over the country has shown us. Only part of that is from “drug cartels,” for lots of ordinary folks grow and share generously, often even making honest money at it. Thanks…
Is there any way we can collectively avoid one or several “selection events” (accumulating to a “selection process”) that operates as a matrix of chaotic interoperating factors and with various nominal contents?
I would expect that “No” would be a consensus here.
And further, would the surviving “selected” learn the right lessons? And is there any way to define those in advance?How deep would the selection have to cut before enough people woke up that doubling down, and most if not all the other compensation biases, aren’t working?
What forms will the “pitchforks” take?
What’s it gonna take for us to do more, overall, than “muddle-through”? That has been the trajectory of the other catabolic civilizational collapses we know about, whimpers more than bangs.
So we don’t have to be Drama Queens, or, perhaps, even heroes, just steadfast with our personal integrity and values, however compromised to variable extents. Is this a “tend our own gardens” situation, or are there sufficient new intensifiers to demolish even that?
My personal aesthetic/policy is to “Slow down, lighten up, pay attention, and tell the truth.” Good luck to us all…https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan23/petro-yuan1-23.html
Charles Hugh Smith on petroyuans and gold-backed currencies; worthwhile nuances.
And why wouldn’t a global actor of renown plant a large mine in Davos well in advance of the annual gathering, during a down-time when “security” would be relatively light? And in the exact hall for the plenary session, to minimize “collateral damage”?
We know that is the kind of thinking more of the CIA-types than of the straight-men Rooskies, who aren’t into sacrificing their own people (unlike the Empire-of-Lies masterminds).
An anonymous blast would provide “plausible deniability,” with no trajectory to track back to a source.
And I wonder if this approach wasn’t used for NordStream, with the actual explosions triggered from afar long after the explosives were emplaced and the culprits sipping lattes in … where? DC? Langley? Maybe even Davos…Lost in his Carbon Cult religiosity, AFKTT simply seems unwilling to recognize that his precious standard-narrative climate “science” is as willfully corrupt and incompetent as the standard-narrative “vaccine science.” Both are terminally politicized, and both have ben falsified by genuine, legitimate, actual-factual scientific refutation. Both are an integral part of the fear-mongering (etc.) manipulations he so abhors.
Every “factoid” AFKTT offers in support of his dogma is either irrelevant, trivial, nugatory, based on false premises, or just flat wrong. Yet he persists in his folly, and demolishes his credibility with ad hominem rhetoric.
Perhaps he is neurotically hungry for something, anything, anything at all, to believe in.
Sad…What I have said on more occasions than I can possibly recall is that de-sequestration of the carbon that was se[q]uestered via photosynthesis in the distant past and release of that carbon into the atmosphere in the form of carbon dioxide at such a rate that it overwhelms the natural systems of recycling carbon dioxide -both Geochemical and biochemical- is what is causing the massive increase in heat retention associated with overheating of the oceans and melting of previously stable ice.
I have been saying that for over 20 years.
What the Ignorant Fool AFKTT has failed to realize after twenty years of reciting this doxology of religion-like belief is that during those twenty years genuine scientists have falsified every one of its tenets. EVERY SINGLE ONE.. It has become pseudo-scientific gibberish, and a refuge for craven egotism.
And the others pontificating on this matter with false “reasonableness,” trying to find some political middle-ground, are failing to realize that the Carbon Cult premise has been definitely falsified and merits no consideration. However, that it is false just tells us what is NOT happening to drive our routine changes in climate, but not what IS doing that.DBS:
Which view of existence is more fundamentally true, that there are existing things to be aware of, or that there is awareness of things existing?
Getting it right is pretty important.
Being able to distinguish sophistries is pretty important, too, along with specious dichotomies. It’s way too easy to get caught up in endless rightness-loops about questions whose answers become less-and-less significant and more-and-more arbitrary. And then it’s turtles all the way down…
It’s what I call the imploding death-spiral of “semiotic entrainment,” otherwise known in the ‘hood as “mind-fuck.”
Your question and its premises seem based in a reductionist-linearizing paradigm that has not surrendered to the complexities of what must pass, these days, for the “real world.” And since our monkey-mind cannot distinguish between surrender and submit, it doesn’t recognize that when its premises are wrong or just objectively irrelevant (i.e., ‘made up’), it will ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answers, and reach the wrong conclusions. It will fight to be “right,” while missing just about every boat in port.One seditious answer to your question might be, “Neither, for both are necessary to develop a sane experience of ‘existing things’ and our ‘awareness(es)’ of them. Both those processes are interoperative and iterative. ‘Sane thoughts’ isolated on their own is ultimately an oxymoron.”
A couple of random thoughts…
Graham proposes to “take out” Putin. Putin notifies the DC decision-makers (through their minions) that if he is assassinated, he will have left behind hard double-blind orders that will missile-destroy one of DC, NYC, or London. You takes your chances. So keep me alive, Scumbags.
Russia blitzkriegs Ukrania (totally reversing his Chinese drip-torture 5G warfare to date). He outright executes the Azovs and fellow-travellers, and then drafts all remaining Uke soldiers into the Russian military to serve out a probationary term in farthest Mongolia. He gives Lviv province to Poland (perhaps lightening some old wounds), whatsits-name to Hungary, Transnistria to the Moldavians (or tantalizes the Romanians with it), keeps most of the east and center as an integral part of Russia, and builds a puppet Uke “Brazilia” so Kiev becomes a backwater.
The lies are so thick that it becomes more fun than serious to riff on the possibilities. Fiction just can’t be stranger than fact these days. Or shall we call them “truths of omission”?
Thanks to Ilargi and the Commentariat for a great year converging into sanity. We may not know exactly who is running this war-show, or why, but we sure recognize and interpret increasingly clearly the patterns we see, and become wiser for it.Oh, and your non-climate premises all merit consideration. Whence the blindness about the climate folly?
AFAIK – I second all that Dr. D says about “collapse’” (or should we say “COLLAPSE”?). And about your climate fetish, since all of your premises are wrong, you are asking the wrong questions, getting the wrong answers, and reaching the wrong conclusions. Not only the premises, but the methodology, as well.
Whoops! But it’s “reasonable.” Good luck with that…For what it’s worth, I have in Thunderbird v. 102.6 on my iMac a complete archive of all Jay Hanson’s listserve e-mails between 1997 and 2016. It is 910 MB on my disk; 954 MB as a .sbd file when exported from T’bird (that becomes a 291 MB .zip file). It is complete, and thus huge.
I would be happy to share this with anyone who can manage the transfer and use the files to import into their mail client (or to post online on, say, DieOff Revived — Hello, Steve!)
I believe that T’bird can export in other formats, but profess insufficient expertise.
The archive ended in 2016 because Jay kicked me off the list (and not for the first time) for being what the more retarded of us would now call a “climate denier.” Even the most astute of us have our blind spots, so some compassion is called-for.
Send or post contact information, and I’ll respond. There has to be some practical way to transfer this historical treasure-trove… suggestions welcome.
AlexanderSo what’s the deal? Did my last comment get “moderated”? So be it…
I find this sort of Carbon Cult pseudo-dialogue thing tedious, since the actual science is readily available (however incomplete it might be), and reveals the standard climate narrative as the embarrassment it is. However, an otherwise-astute person like AFAIK merits at least some attempted guidance toward a saner relationship with a poorly understood — and admittedly difficult and artificially emotionally intense — subject.
So if moderated, I consent, if only because I find the main streams of the conversation here to be much more challenging and intriguing in a real-world sense.
And so I repeat, Thanks to all who contribute here… Your efforts have made me a better person (or, at least, a better informed and deeper-understanding person).Chooch, yes indeed. It is daunting. I explore all the difficulties (and simplicities, as well) in that Do you believe... doc in my Dropbox. Computer-based models are rather a joke, and I explore that aspect as well.
There are few easy answers in this domain, and it is a great example of how we can falsify hypotheses (and thereby know with some certainty what isn’t happening) far more readily than we can develop certainty about what actually is happening.
But practically speaking, there is almost nothing humans can do about our changing climate beyond adapt to it, as we have for the past million tears. And please note that there is no actual evidence that any human activity has any significant effect on global climate, so the Carbon Cult is a giant scam and pretext for political control strugggles. Once that simple fact sinks in, the whole conversation is revealed for all its corrupt hidden agendas — and then that becomes the challenge, to explore the covert politics behind the fake-science conversation.
But it is difficult to remain simple in such a complex matter, whence the ambiguities and misinformation that fool so many people who have been bred and indoctrinated into obedient ignorant docility. This commentariat is outstanding for not being that way. Thanks to all…
