Feb 182019
 


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Yellow Vests Mark 3 Months of Marches, France investigates Antisemitism (AP)
Two Trump Cabinet Officials Were “Ready To Support” 25th Amendment Coup (ZH)
Trump To Veto Disapproval Of Emergency (AP)
Tories Under Fire For Dismissing March For 2nd Brexit Referendum (Ind.)
New Zealand To Target Online Giants With Digital Tax (R.)
Facebook Labelled ‘Digital Gangsters’ By UK Report On Fake News (G.)
UK Must Investigate Foreign Influence And Voter Manipulation In Brexit Vote (Ind.)
Australia Claims Foreign Government Hacked Major Political Parties (R.)
Varoufakis: ECB Profits Should Be Used For A European Poverty Fund (KTG)
Venezuela Denies EU Lawmakers Entry Given ‘Conspiratorial Motives’ (R.)
Virtual Fences, Robot Workers, Stacked Crops: Farming In 2040 (O.)
Return Of Wolves To Germany Pits Farmers Against Environmentalists (G.)
UK Plans To Make Plastic Packaging Producers Pay For Waste Disposal (R.)
Plastic Chemicals Discovered Inside Bird Eggs From Remote Arctic (Ind.)

 

 

How state propaganda works (and is disseminated by sympathetic media).

“The scene was a vicious verbal interlude..” “The verbal attack on Finkielkraut could risk further eroding the movement’s initially strong public support. “The yellow vest movement [..] is now marked by growing divisions within its ranks.”

In reality, the French see young people with their eyes missing due to Macron-ordered rubber bullets. The only support that’s eroding is that for Macron.

Yellow Vests Mark 3 Months of Marches, France investigates Antisemitism (AP)

Paris judicial authorities opened an investigation Sunday into anti-Semitic remarks hurled at a noted philosopher during a yellow vest protest, an incident that raised national concerns about the movement’s ascendant radical fringe. The Paris prosecutor’s office said the investigation was being conducted into “public insult based on origin, ethnicity, nationality, race or religion.” A band of men taunted philosopher Alain Finkielkraut on the sidelines of a protest through the French capital Paris on Saturday. “Go back to Tel Aviv,” ”Zionist,” and “France is our land” were among the insults captured on video. Finkielkraut, a member of the prestigious Academie Francaise, told French television station LCI on Sunday he doesn’t intend to file a complaint.

The scene was a vicious verbal interlude as thousands of protesters made their way through the Left Bank for the 14th Saturday in a row of demonstrations by the yellow vest movement. Several thousand protesters gathered again in Paris on Sunday to mark the three-month anniversary of the yellow vest movement’s protests, which started Nov. 17 with nationwide protests of fuel tax increases. [..] The verbal attack on Finkielkraut could risk further eroding the movement’s initially strong public support. The yellow vest movement [..] is now marked by growing divisions within its ranks. One yellow vest protester who has tried to put together a candidates list for the European Parliament election was heckled Sunday by detractors.

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Government officials vs a newly elected president. Must be a first. Patriots vs voters.

Two Trump Cabinet Officials Were “Ready To Support” 25th Amendment Coup (ZH)

Two Trump Cabinet officials were “ready to support” a DOJ scheme to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump, according to Bloomberg and Fox News, citing closed-door testimony from the FBI’s former top lawyer, James Baker – who said that the claim came from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. “The testimony was delivered last fall to the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees. Fox News has confirmed portions of the transcript. It provides additional insight into discussions that have returned to the spotlight in Washington as fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe revisits the matter during interviews promoting his forthcoming book.” -Fox News

While Baker did not identify the two Cabinet officials, he says that McCabe and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page approached him to relay their conversations with Rosenstein, including their discussions of the 25th Amendment scheme. “I was being told by some combination of Andy McCabe and Lisa Page, that, in a conversation with the Deputy Attorney General, he had stated that he – this was what was related to me – that he had at least two members of the president’s Cabinet who were ready to support, I guess you would call it, an action under the 25th Amendment,” Baker told the Congressional committees. The 25th Amendment allows for the removal of a sitting president from office through various mechanisms – including the majority of a president’s Cabinet agreeing that the commander-in-chief is incapable of performing his duties.

Rosenstein – who is slated to leave the Justice Department in the near future, has denied the claims. Baker said McCabe was cool, calm and collected throughout the discussions, telling lawmakers: “At this point in time, Andy was unbelievably focused and unbelievably confident and squared away. I don’t know how to describe it other than I was extremely proud to be around him at that point in time because I thought he was doing an excellent job at maintaining focus and dealing with a very uncertain and difficult situation. So I think he was in a good state of mind at this point in time.” McCabe, meanwhile told “60 Minutes” in an interview set to air Sunday night that Rosenstein was concerned about Trump’s “capacity.”

According to McCabe, Rosenstein “raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort,” adding that Rosenstein was “definitely very concerned about the president, about his capacity and about his intent at that point in time.” “Rosenstein was actually openly talking about whether there was a majority of the cabinet who would vote to remove the president?” asks CBS News anchor Scott Pelly, to which McCabe replied: “That’s correct. Counting votes or possible votes.”

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Inevitable, so let’s have it.

“..there do not yet appear to be enough votes to override a veto by the president.”

Trump To Veto Disapproval Of Emergency (AP)

President Donald Trump is prepared to issue the first veto of his term if Congress votes to disapprove his declaration of a national emergency along the U.S.-Mexico border, a top White House adviser said on Sunday. White House senior adviser Stephen Miller told “Fox News Sunday” that “the president is going to protect his national emergency declaration.” Asked if that meant Trump was ready to veto a resolution of disapproval, Miller added, “He’s going to protect his national emergency declaration, guaranteed.” The West Wing is digging in for fights on multiple fronts as the president’s effort to go around Congress to fund his long-promised border wall faces bipartisan criticism and multiple legal challenges.

After lawmakers in both parties blocked his requests for billions of dollars to fulfill his signature campaign pledge, Trump’s declared national emergency Friday shifts billions of federal dollars earmarked for military construction to the border. California Attorney General Xavier Becerra told ABC’s “This Week” that his state would sue “imminently” to block the order, after the American Civil Liberties Union and the nonprofit watchdog group Public Citizen announced Friday they were taking legal action. Democrats are planning to introduce a resolution disapproving of the declaration once Congress returns to session and it is likely to pass both chambers. Several Republican senators are already indicating they would vote against Trump — though there do not yet appear to be enough votes to override a veto by the president.

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“The next demonstration will be staged in London on Saturday 23 March, just six days before the UK’s scheduled departure from the EU.”

Tories Under Fire For Dismissing March For 2nd Brexit Referendum (Ind.)

Senior Tories were accused of “sniping” at the huge numbers of campaigners set to take part in a march for a fresh Brexit referendum, a day after it was announced. A Brexit minister, Martin Callanan, came under fire after he branded next month’s Put It To The People march – part of The Independent’s Final Say campaign – “desperate stuff”. James Cleverly, a Conservative vice-chairman, tweeted sarcastically: “The only thing that might make me change my mind is a bloke in a blue hat with yellow stars shouting ‘Stop Brexit’. Yep, that might do it.” The reaction came despite last October’s demonstration attracting up to 700,000 people in London alone – and fuelling support for a new referendum at Westminster.

Anna Turley, a Labour supporter of the People’s Vote campaign, said the two men were “sniping at the huge numbers of people in this country who want to make their voice heard”. “Ministers should listen to the calls of those who feel betrayed by broken Brexit promises, worried about the damage caused by either this deal or no deal, as well as those who just want clarity and closure about our country’s direction – rather than years more of argument and division,” she said. The next demonstration will be staged in London on Saturday 23 March, just six days before the UK’s scheduled departure from the EU.

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Meaningless without including other taxes, income, wealth, tec.

New Zealand To Target Online Giants With Digital Tax (R.)

New Zealand said on Monday that it plans to update its laws so it can tax revenue earned by multinational digital firms such as Google, Facebook and Amazon, extending a global effort to bring global tech giants into the tax net. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the cabinet had agreed to issue a discussion document about how to update the country’s tax framework to ensure multinational companies pay their fair share. “Our current tax system is not fair in the way it treats individual tax payers, and how it treats multinationals,” Ardern told reporters at her weekly post-cabinet news conference.

Highly digitalized companies, such as those offering social media networks, trading platforms, and online advertising, currently earn a significant income from New Zealand consumers without being liable for income tax, the government said in a statement released after the announcement. The value of cross-border digital services in New Zealand is estimated to be around NZ$2.7 billion ($1.86 billion). The revenue estimate for a digital services tax is between NZ$30 million and NZ$80 million, Finance Minister Grant Robertson said in the statement. Digital services taxes (DST) are generally charged at a flat rate of two to three percent on the gross revenue earned by a multinational company in that country. A number of countries including the U.K, Spain, Italy, France, Austria and India have enacted or announced plans for a DST. The EU and Australia are also consulting on a DST.

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Anything here that money won’t buy?

Facebook Labelled ‘Digital Gangsters’ By UK Report On Fake News (G.)

Facebook deliberately broke privacy and competition law and should urgently be subject to statutory regulation, according to a devastating parliamentary report denouncing the company and its executives as “digital gangsters”. The final report of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee’s 18-month investigation into disinformation and fake news accused Facebook of purposefully obstructing its inquiry and failing to tackle attempts by Russia to manipulate elections. “Democracy is at risk from the malicious and relentless targeting of citizens with disinformation and personalised ‘dark adverts’ from unidentifiable sources, delivered through the major social media platforms we use every day,” warned the committee’s chairman, Damian Collins.

The report:
• Accuses Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s co-founder and chief executive, of contempt for parliament in refusing three separate demands for him to give evidence, instead sending junior employees unable to answer the committee’s questions.
• Warns British electoral law is unfit for purpose and vulnerable to interference by hostile foreign actors, including agents of the Russian government attempting to discredit democracy.
• Calls on the British government to establish an independent investigation into “foreign influence, disinformation, funding, voter manipulation and the sharing of data” in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, the 2016 EU referendum and the 2017 general election.

The committee argues that, had Facebook abided by the terms of an agreement struck with US regulators in 2011 to limit developers’ access to user data, the scandal would not have occurred. “The Cambridge Analytica scandal was facilitated by Facebook’s policies,” it concludes. The 108-page report makes excoriating reading for the social media giant, which is accused of continuing to prioritise shareholders’ profits over users’ privacy rights. “Facebook continues to choose profit over data security, taking risks in order to prioritise their aim of making money from user data,” the report states, accusing the company of covering up leaks of user data. “It seems clear to us that Facebook acts only when serious breaches become public.”

Zuckerberg is also personally criticised by the committee in scathing terms, with his claim that Facebook has never sold user data dismissed by the report as “simply untrue”. “Mark Zuckerberg continually fails to show the levels of leadership and personal responsibility that should be expected from someone who sits at the top of one of the world’s biggest companies,” Collins added in a statement. Watson agreed. “Few individuals have shown contempt for our parliamentary democracy in the way Mark Zuckerberg has,” he said. “If one thing is uniting politicians of all colours during this difficult time for our country, it is our determination to bring him and his company into line.”

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I know you thought this was about the CIA. But no, it’s Russia again.

UK Must Investigate Foreign Influence And Voter Manipulation In Brexit Vote (Ind.)

Theresa May must launch an independent investigation into “foreign influence and voter manipulation” in the Brexit vote, a committee of MPs says today, amid growing evidence of lawbreaking by Leave campaigners. A highly critical report – which warns “democracy is at risk” from rogue practices on social media – turns its fire on the prime minister for the failure to probe their effect on the referendum result. No wide-ranging investigation has taken place, despite the main Vote Leave campaign, fronted by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, being found by the Electoral Commission to have broken the law. The National Crime Agency, meanwhile, has launched a separate investigation into evidence of “multiple” criminal offences committed by Arron Banks and the Leave.EU campaign.

But Downing Street has fought off calls for a “Mueller-style” inquiry, on the scale of the US probe into alleged collusion with Russia by Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. Now the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee has insisted an inquiry must be carried out, also looking into the 2017 general election and the 2014 Scottish referendum. It would establish “what actually happened with regard to foreign influence, disinformation, funding, voter manipulation, and the sharing of data, so that appropriate changes to the law can be made and lessons can be learnt for future elections and referenda”. Damian Collins, the committee’s Conservative chair, urged the prime minister to come clean about whether “Russian interference in UK politics” was being probed.

“We want to find out what was the impact of disinformation and voter manipulation on past elections including the UK referendum in 2016, and are calling on the government to launch an independent investigation,” he said. [..] The crisis emerged after the Brexit referendum, leading to the finding against Vote Leave which has been referred to the police for busting spending limits Crucially, the cash was used to pay data firm Aggregate IQ and – a whistleblower and an Oxford professor argue – potentially enabled it to precisely target enough voters on social media to have swayed the Brexit result. Mr Banks, Nigel Farage’s ally, could receive a two-year prison sentence if he is found to have “knowingly concealed” that an Isle of Man company handed up to £8m to Leave.EU – which would have been outlawed as a foreign donation.

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Saw that headline and though: elections must be coming up. And yes.

Australia Claims Foreign Government Hacked Major Political Parties (R.)

A cyber attack on Australian lawmakers that breached the networks of major political parties was probably carried out by a foreign government, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Monday, but did not name any suspects. As Australia heads for an election due by May, lawmakers were told this month told to urgently change their passwords after the cyber intelligence agency detected an attack on the national parliament’s computer network. The hackers breached the networks of major political parties, Morrison said, as he issued an initial assessment by investigators. “Our cyber experts believe that a sophisticated state actor is responsible for this malicious activity,” he told parliament.

“We also became aware that the networks of some political parties, Liberal, Labor and Nationals have also been affected.” Morrison did not reveal what information was accessed, but he said there was no evidence of election interference. Investors are still securing local networks, said Alastair MacGibbon, head of the Australian Cyber Security Centre, the government department responsible for online security. “Our political institutions represent high-value targets,” MacGibbon told reporters in the capital, Canberra.

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Problem is he doesn’t stand a chance of winning anything.

Varoufakis: ECB Profits Should Be Used For A European Poverty Fund (KTG)

The enfant terrible of euro-economics and former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis reloaded his gun and shot: Profits from the European Central Bank should be used for a European Poverty Fund. Speaking at an event of his party DiEM25 in Thessaloniki, he said about the “New Deal in Europe and the World”, that Europe is currently facing four crises: public-private debt, very low investment, banking system and rising poverty. Especially about poverty, Varoufakis, revealed that last year the European Central Bank had profits of €91 billion, which are distributed to the finance ministries of countries with surplus. “A Fund to Combat Poverty could be founded tomorrow morning, in order to support the poor European family and this would be an integrative move and the fight against intolerance and anti-Europeanism and fascism.”

Addressing his Greek audience, he said “in DieM25/MeRA25 we are deeply European, we are criticizing the euro, we want to upgrade it, we are the only ones that have proposals to change the architecture of the euro. We want to restructure the euro. We do not propose exit from the euro, we are not threatening to exit the euro. This is a fact. He criticized the economic policies of his former SYRIZA comrades saying ‘“It is impossible at this time to have any recovery in Greece when small and medium-size businesses pay 75% of their profits to the state. You can not have a 100% pre-payment of the tax. You do that in a country when it is to destroy it.” [..] “Every eurozone country should have a parallel payment system,” he underlined.

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Well, they did vote to recognize Guiado as head of state.

Venezuela Denies EU Lawmakers Entry Given ‘Conspiratorial Motives’ (R.)

Venezuela denied a group of European Parliament deputies entry into the country on Sunday, arguing they had “conspiratorial motives” for flying to Caracas in the throes of a political crisis. The European Parliament last month joined a slew of Western nations in recognizing Venezuelan opposition chief Juan Guaido as interim head of state after President Nicolas Maduro won a second term in an election last year that critics denounced as a sham. The four deputies from the center-right European People’s Party (EPP) were traveling to Venezuela to meet with Guaido, one of them said in a video distributed via social media.

“They have retained our passports, they haven’t communicated the reason for our expulsion,” Esteban González Pons said. Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza said on his Twitter account that the lawmakers had been advised several days ago they would not be allowed entry into the South American country. Venezuela would “not permit the European extreme right to disturb the peace and stability of the country with another of its rude, interventionist actions,” he wrote.

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Wonder how much money Monsanto has paid into the report.

..new biotech production techniques not only help preserve crops but also make them more nutritious.

..opportunities for British food and farming to increase productivity ..

Virtual Fences, Robot Workers, Stacked Crops: Farming In 2040 (O.)

It is 2040 and Britain’s green and pleasant countryside is populated by robots. We have vertical farms of leafy salads, fruit and vegetables, and livestock is protected by virtual fencing. Changing diets have seen a decline in meat consumption while new biotech production techniques not only help preserve crops but also make them more nutritious. This is the picture painted in a report from the National Farmers Union which attempts to sketch out what British food and farming will look like in 20 years’ time. “The Future of Food 2040 report is a catalyst to encourage us all to start the debate about our food and our future so we can plan ahead,” said Andrea Graham, NFU’s head of policy services and author of the report, who interviewed 50 experts across Britain’s food chain to gauge their views.

“It is also a reminder for government, at a critical time in British history, to make domestic food production a strategic priority in all policy making.” While some of the predictions may seem a long way off, others are already in their infancy. “Even now, there are technologies being developed that can care for crops on a plant-by-plant basis or control the grazing of cattle without physical fences, and by 2040 this technology will be commonplace in farming,” Graham said. The British farming sector will need to be more efficient if it is to meet a key NFU goal of producing net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2040. “Over the next 20 years we will face potentially seismic changes in all aspects of society,” Graham added. “An increase in the global population and the need to mitigate climate change will provide opportunities for British food and farming to increase productivity and reduce its impact on the environment.”

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Food must come from sterile enviroments. No life allowed.

Return Of Wolves To Germany Pits Farmers Against Environmentalists (G.)

More than a century ago, wolves were hunted to extinction in Germany. These days, they’re back – and their presence is a source of political strife. Wolf attacks on livestock increased drastically in 2017, according to government statistics released at the weekend: they carried out 472 attacks, an increase of 66% over the previous year. The number of killed, injured or missing livestock – mostly sheep and goats – rose 55%, to 1,667. The issue of how to deal with wolves is pitting farmers who want to protect their livestock against environmentalists who prioritise the protection of vulnerable species. Julia Klöckner, the agriculture minister, said the latest figures proved the government needed to act.

Germany should shift its regulations to make it legal to remove individual wolves from a pack, she told the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung. For more than a century, wolves were extinct in Germany. In recent years, however, especially since the country’s reunification in 1990, the animals have been reintroduced and are slowly making a comeback. They are especially prevalent in the former East German states, since many have crossed the border with Poland. Though environmentalists have lauded the return of the wolf, not everyone is happy that they are back – or that they have been awarded protected status. EU regulations outlaw the killing of wolves, allowing exceptions only when there is “no satisfactory alternative” or if people are in danger.

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Instead of simply saying don’t make the stuff anymore. London must think Brits are incredibly stupid people.

UK Plans To Make Plastic Packaging Producers Pay For Waste Disposal (R.)

Britain is to set out plans to overhaul its recycling system on Monday, including making plastic packaging producers pay the full cost of dealing with their waste and introducing a deposit return scheme for cans and bottles. The plans, which also aim to make household rubbish collections more consistent around the country, will be introduced by Environment Secretary Michael Gove and go out for consultation for three months. “We will introduce a world-leading tax to boost recycled content in plastic packaging, make producers foot the bill for handling their packaging waste, and end the confusion over household recycling,” Gove said in a statement. The tax will be payable by producers who fail to use enough recycled material.

At present, producers pay only around 10 percent of the cost of dealing with plastic packaging waste, the environment ministry said. Under an Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR) system, the industry will pay higher fees if its packaging is harder to reuse or recycle. EPR for packaging will raise between 800 million and one billion pounds a year for recycling and disposal, the ministry said. Government will seek views on two options for how a deposit return scheme might work for cans and glass or plastic bottles, it added. The first would target a large amount of drinks on the market, irrespective of container size. The second, known as the “on-the-go” model, would concern smaller container sizes – those most often sold for consumption outside the home.

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These birds spend most of their lives feeding at sea, returning to their nests only to breed.

Plastic Chemicals Discovered Inside Bird Eggs From Remote Arctic (Ind.)

Chemicals from plastics have been found inside the eggs of seabirds living in remote Arctic colonies, in the latest sign of pollution contaminating the furthest reaches of the planet. Scientists were concerned by the traces of phthalates, hormone-disrupting chemicals that have been banned from children’s toys due to their potential “gender-bending” effects. These substances are routinely applied to many plastic products, and probably came from the bottle tops and cigarette butts these seabirds often eat after mistaking them for food. The eggs were taken from northern fulmars living on an island in Lancaster Sound, more than 100 miles away from the nearest human settlement.

In a preliminary study, Dr Jennifer Provencher of the Canadian Wildlife Service tested the eggs of five fulmars and found phthalates in one, but warned the problem is likely to be far more pervasive. “These are some of the birds who have the lowest levels of accumulated plastic,” explained Dr Provencher. If fulmar colonies were tested in the North Sea, where levels of plastic consumption are far higher, she said the results could be far more dramatic. “Now the thing is to look at other populations and to see if they have the same chemicals, or other chemicals,” she said. In another study, Dr Provencher and her colleagues examined the eggs of both fulmars and black-legged kittiwakes, and found traces of more chemicals known as UV stabilisers and antioxidants. “We are finding multiple plastic-derived contaminants that are maternally transferred to the egg,” she said. “It’s really tragic.”


Scientists studied the eggs of northern fulmars from an Arctic island in Canada’s Lancaster Sound (Getty/iStock)

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    Pablo Picasso Face female study 1925   • Yellow Vests Mark 3 Months of Marches, France investigates Antisemitism (AP) • Two Trump Cabinet Officia
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 18 2019]

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    V. Arnold
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    Pablo Picasso Face female study 1925

    Quite an interesting Picasso; more than one pov; I rather like it.
    The sturm und drang just keeps illustrating the inertia of the system…
    It will take a solid object to stop it…
    I can see no such object…

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    Dr. D
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    Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, being found by the Electoral Commission to have broken the law.”

    Because of course the Remain party and their 1,000 funds didn’t break the law at all. It was also totally fair to have 100% of the media—which as we now know was funded by the government directly—and all the corporations, most of which are international, to go all-in for Remain. Which is why it’s so amazing they could vote Leave. But since they voted the wrong way, we arrest all the Leaders and organizers, then have another new, fair election, like Catalonia. If that fails, we’ll imprison MORE leaders and freeze MORE bank accounts and have ANOTHER totally fair election. …Or avoid elections completely, like the Lisbon treaty.

    …Now they shouldn’t have done this, but really, investigate and prosecute on one side only, always and ever? When does this nonsense end? Macron declares Italians are not allowed to talk to French citizens without his express permission now, on pain of war and diplomatic severance. ‘Cause that’s fair and open discussion and debate.

    “Democracy at risk”? Yes, from Zuckerberg and the CIA, even as U.S. democracy is under direct and provable attack by Britain and MI6. When we investigate this, naturally we’ll imprison election rigging by Obama in Israel and Britain, Trump in Venezuela and all of South America, the U.S. in France, France throughout Africa, and the 20 color revolutions the U.S. has proudly and openly funded throughout Russia and the Eastern Bloc, and even an “Umbrella Revolution” (what were they thinking???) in Hong Kong. ‘Cause justice, amirite? So long as this is happening, any time we have an election go badly, we can have infinite new elections until they all go ‘right’ (or in this case, go ‘left’).

    “Varoufakis: ECB Profits Should Be Used For a European Poverty Fund (KTG)”

    The ECB doesn’t have profits. It’s losing every day buying sovereign bonds that will be defaulted. Besides, haven’t we had 100 poverty funds for 100 years and find that every one of them increases poverty? Check out Africa. Feed the World. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Aid But that was only 40 years ago and 110 new attempts all of which failed worse than the last. Why not try again? We just didn’t impliment communism/socialism/any-ism “right”, and I’m sure we’ll get it if we just keep trying another 100 years.

    “decline in meat consumption”

    Here we go again. They are on 24/7 kill-all-cows blitzkrieg. Why, I’m not sure except raw hatred for all things non-robotic, non-oil-consuming as these “vertical farms” must be. And Britain. Really, Britain??? With the North Seas gone, pissed off Russia that has curtailed the end of their gas pipeline, nuclear plants clocking out, they’re going to convert British farming to MORE, to EXCLUSIVELY oil-energy-intensive agriculture? And you want to use vastly more energy BECAUSE of Global Warming? Hey, if you want to kill 30 million Britons, be my guest. Apparently they’re not smart enough to resist and Darwin will prevail.

    “Return of Wolves to Germany Pits Farmers Against Environmentalists (G.)”

    They love this because they can put wolves on a calendar in a bank office in Hamburg while the farmers take the million-dollar hit and lose the farm in gol-durned Bavaria. Stupid hicks. Don’t they know the loss of their livestock, their pets, and their farms so hipsters in Berlin can virtue-signal is how it goes now? …In reality, I don’t mind the wolves, as I’m quite sure everyone can suffer an ecosystem, but there are costs. High ones. The problem is that they push policies that put all the COSTS on one group, the poorest and most disenfranchised, and all the BENEFITS on another, far, far smaller, far more wealthy group. Then when it goes badly, the rich further villainize the poor for not loving their own destruction.

    (PS, “Noble” “Gentile” and “Villain,” “Boor” and “Churl” are ruthless class terms wildly popular today. Nice work, virtue-signaling political-correctness-mafia. We know which side you’re on when workers and farmers are openly lambasted while journalists, professors, and city-folk are a protected class).

    “UK Plans to Make Plastic Packaging Producers Pay for Waste Disposal (R.)”

    …And at last, like AGW, we discover what the recent media blitz is all about: raising more regressive taxes that wildly focus on the poor. I’m all for it. Definitely need to tax China, Africa, and Southeast Asia since they are nearly the sole contributors to this problem. Once we get the 90% covered, we can move down the list to hyper-ecological nations like Europe. Wait, was I not supposed to notice that?

    What was it last year when they spoke of plastics and I pointed out how many forests would go down instead for equivalent paper packaging? It’s the NFL rule: TNSTAAFL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain%27t_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch Now luckily, oil IS going to be curtailed, the economy WILL cycle down, and we won’t be able to afford EITHER excess packaging, OR world-wide supply chains that support/require them, but I don’t think the 10x increase in food prices are anything people are going to be happy about. The birds will be happy, yes. Fish, maybe. But not us.

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    zerosum
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    Here is one of the good thing about social media, TAE is feeding us info which we normally would not be made aware.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-eu-idUSKCN1Q704Z
    February 17, 2019 / 6:33 PM / Updated 13 hours ago

    The four deputies from the center-right European People’s Party (EPP) were traveling to Venezuela to meet with Guaido, one of them said in a video distributed via social media.

    Reporting by Mayela Armas; Writing by Sarah Marsh; Editing by Sandra Maler

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    As you can see, “Thomson Reuters Trust Principles, adopted in 1941” is your guarantee that you are not getting fake news, or propaganda.

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    “Thomson Reuters Trust Principles, adopted in 1941”

    They all say these things. They all have for many years too. But what changed for NYT, WaPo, CNN, NBC, the dawning that bashing Trump brings great fortunes, changed for Reuters too. They’re a bit more subtle though.

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    MoFlora
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    I keep sheep and goats in wolf country. (We also have too many cougar around) I also keep livestock guardian dogs. in 20 years we have lost one sheep to predators. Every European country has a breed or two of tending dog or LGD that have worked with farmers for centuries. The old ways work.

    The wolves in Yellowstone. The Bob Marshall/Glacier Park area or the Frank Church Wilderness have had a remarkably positive effect on the landscape. Trophic cascade and all that. However, when the wolves spread into areas where there are no large herds of wild ungulates, they quickly turn to taking livestock. If the natural prey species of the European wolves are not reintroduced in sufficient numbers at the same time, the problems will persist and worsen. Wolves are smart. Shoot a few and they will get cautious. However, shooting one or two animals from a pack may make pups harder to feed and drive the remaining adults to even worse behavior.

    Regarding yesterday’s article on planting trees, thanks for running it. Albert bates is the only person I am aware of who covers his own carbon footprint (he does climate and permaculture work all over the world.) by planting many trees every year. He’s an extremely bright guy who figures it out.

    There are many good reasons to massively plant trees besides the carbon sequestration. Forest restoration is an absolute must if we are to see our way through the current environmental disaster. The first priority should be re-planting forests where they used to exist. Reversing desertification is possible. This will restore local human economies as well as having an essential ecosystem function. Restoration work also needs to be done in existing forests. Currently my spouse is coordinating a 90,000 acre project in the inland PNW. Jobs and enormous environmental benefits for the locals – human and otherwise.

    Indeed, the ultimate answer is to stop the pollution. In the meantime… A tree planted for every human on the planet would be a good start.

    Now, to shovel more snow.

    #45468

    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I wish I could get excited about mass tree planting but I see large challenges. Examples: I planted 10 native pines alongside my orchard. No synthetic chemicals and no grass competition and reasonable fertility. All 10 succumbed to fungal disease, showing serious signs of disease during all 3 growing seasons. Friends in the area are trying to re-tree their sandy soil (think dessert) with native species. Without daily watering during the growing season these trees die. I cannot see daily watering happening in large scale plantings. I have a reasonable amount of knowledge and experience in this area and it is not at all as easy as it sounds. In our wild forest we have Dutch elm disease killing all of our elm trees. Our general area has also been hit with an ash borer killing all ash trees. Butternut squash are also seriously impacted with disease. Oak wilt is coming soon. I am sure there are people around who manage to successfully plant a whack of trees but success is far from guaranteed and there are very large challenges.

    #45481

    MoFlora
    Participant

    @sumac.carol

    Indeed. The challenges are huge. Of the five major species of coniferous trees native to this area two are dying off. It simply does not get cold enough in the winter anymore to kill off many of the bugs, fungus and disease. Combine that with the century long interruption of the natural fire cycle and you have real trouble.

    We were in zone 4 when I first moved to this part of the world 40 years ago. We are now officially in zone 6, but are having a zone 7 winter. Natural phytomigration is not nearly fast enough to keep up with the changing climate. Precipitation patterns have changed along with the temperatures, further challenging native species. Many of the birds that would normally spread seed and expand the range of various species are gone.

    As permaculturists with an emphasis on forestry we are constantly testing the bounds of what will grow here. We are starting, in our tiny nursery, tree seeds from species that grow a thousand miles south of here. We also push the limits with shrubs, fruit and nut trees, herbaceous perennial ground cover etc. There is a definite threat to your native trees and some species will not survive. ( It breaks my heart to write this) I suggest to you that enhancing the phytomigration in your area with species that will find it more hospitable may be an option for you.

    The main emphasis on tree planting needs to be where forests once existed, but have been denuded of trees by over grazing, clear cutting etc. That would have the most impact per stem. While we are at it, stopping the clearcutting of the Amazon to grow soybeans would be an idea to consider… just saying.

    Your friends’ effort to restore native species is an admirable one. It may be that allowing some pioneer species (certain weeds) to establish as shade plants would aid their efforts. I suggest Geoff Lawton’s video, “Greening the Desert” for inspiration.

    The natural world will never be the same. Never. We are all groping for answers and taking shots in the dark to try and save what we can. Don’t give up.

    Good luck

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