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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle June 24 2024 #161983

    Julian Assange released from prison, WikiLeaks says, after striking deal with US justice department

    It is anticipated the Wikileaks founder will plead guilty to violating US espionage law and will be allowed to return to Australia, court documents say

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 23 2024 #161896

    Jun. 22, 2024 427.00 ppm
    Jun. 22, 2023 423.52 ppm

    1 Year Change 3.48 ppm

    Atmospheric CO2 has peaked for the current cycle and will decline slightly as photosynthesis catches up with generation for a few months.

    Interestingly, temperature records have been broken in numerous regions of the world in recent weeks.

    Humans don’t thrive at 53oC.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 2 2024 #160268

    Jun. 1, 2024 427.43 ppm
    Jun. 1, 2023 424.43 ppm

    1 Year Change 3.00 ppm

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 2 2024 #160267

    Patrick Moore got it wrong yet again. By his logic, chimps and gorillas would be hairless, since they also evolved in tropical regions.

    People who reject the fundamental chemistry and physics of CO2 are forced to promote spurious arguments to justify their stance…..and fail every time.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 1 2024 #160175

    Atmospheric CO2 measured in Hawaii is peaking for the 2024 season at around 427 ppm.

    CO2earth reports:

    May. 31, 2024 427.82 ppm
    May. 31, 2023 424.65 ppm

    1 Year Change 3.17 ppm

    For the coming few months photosynthesis, ocean absorption and weathering will exceed the generation of CO2 and values will temporarily decline.

    Clearly none of the strategies geared to making money out of this disastrous trend are having any effect on the fundamental predicament.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 27 2024 #159837

    Superb analysis

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 8 2024 #158626

    AstraZeneca has announced the global withdrawal of its COVID-19 vaccine, which the pharmaceutical company is attributing to a dip in demand.

    It comes after the drugmaker reportedly made an admission about reactions to the immunisation.

    The company had previously admitted in court documents the vaccine causes rare and dangerous side-effects, including blood clots and low blood platelet counts, multiple world media outlets reported


    Waiting for Pfizer to do the same.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 1 2024 #158216

    How did that happen? Try again.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 1 2024 #158215

    Violent attacks on peaceful protesters.[ the American way.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2024 #157790

    Another month until this year’s seasonal peak in atmospheric CO2 is reached.


    Apr. 24, 2024 428.42 ppm

    Apr. 24, 2023 423.96 ppm

    Increase 5.46 ppm

    So much for carbon capture and all the other nonsense that the powers be are working hard to foist on society.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2024 #157133

    Sea level rise made easy, and why most of Florida is doomed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2024 #157059

    jb-hb said

    I got you to make excuses for Communist China yet again

    I simply report facts. You don’t like factual discussions, and invariably engage in ad hominem attacks.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2024 #157021

    I ASSUMED that you were just a guy who happened to have bought into the Climate portions of the Jensen stuff.

    jb-hb You assumed wrong. I was well aware of the disastrous trends in climate due to excess CO2 emissions in the late 1980s, when James Hansen, head of the US Goddard Institute, highlighted the CO2 predicament in his testimony before Congress. That was long before I had ever head of Derrick Jensen (around 2008).

    The good news is that the Earth can never ‘go Venus’ because it is too far from the Sun. But it can easily overheat to the point of becoming largely uninhabitable, due to exceeding the wet-bulb, i.e. the combination of heat and moisture that makes evaporative cooling impossible.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2024 #157019

    Dr D

    Marking 19 months in a row I ask how CO2 is 6x today’s level and nothing happened. Ever. No response.

    That statement makes no sense.

    I take it you did not bother to watch the Peter Brannen interview. Nor have you read the book (Ends of the World).

    I take it you would not notice a sea level rise of 50+ metres worldwide and Antartica ice-free, with habitat for mammals year-round. That is where climate is headed (though not on a timescale significant for humans because most humans would be dead long before that point is reached).

    As it stands, ocean heat is the highest ever measured and much of the world’s ice is melting, forests burn with intensity not seen before and deluges of rain repeatedly break records -which you presumably regard as ‘nothing is happening’.

    I look forward to debate at a higher level than the 14-year-old level currently displayed by many contrarians.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2024 #157018


    The other aspect you conveniently forget is that China has a population nearly four times that of the US. So emissions nearly four times that of the US would be proportionate.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 15 2024 #156967

    And it looks like AFKTT just can’t help himself from getting lost in the weeds

    A.C. Please explain.

    Everything is connected, and energy and environment are the master cards that trump everything else in the system..

    Dammit, I wanted to avoid reference to Trump (big yawn) but trump is the best word.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 15 2024 #156966

    jb-hb Did you bother to actually watch the Nate Hagens? My guess is no.
    I cannot be responsible for your refusal to become informed: only you can be responsible for that.

    When is your flight to China, AFKTT

    I have no intention of flying anywhere.

    As for the (repeated) graph, I answered.why China’s emissions appear to be so high: China is manufacturing goods for previously developed nations that are now largely post-industrial. There are embedded CO2 emissions in all manufactured goods.

    By the way, all mainstream economics is fraud and jiggery pokery.

    Also, there is no such thing as the ‘green economy’. What is described as the ‘green economy’ is as a subset of the fossil fuel economy.

    What is interesting is the effect that diminishing supplies of liquid fuels (Peak Oil) will have on mainstream economics. The temporary propping up of the system via fracking is coming to an end (conventional extraction having peaked).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 15 2024 #156965

    Correction: Peter Brannen

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 15 2024 #156934

    The antics of politicians and bureaucrats are of little significance when one examines the big picture.

    We are living through a ‘carbon pulse’.

    Previous carbon pulses occurred much more slowly than the present [industrial human] one, but nevertheless led to mass extinctions.

    We must expect mass extinction on an unprecedented scale of we continue to desequester the carbon that the Earth sequestered tens of millions of years ago or hundreds of millions of years ago (Ends of the World -Peter Brannan).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 13 2024 #156798

    From the link: ‘The foundations for our civilization and system are built on sand. Living standards are going to decline.’

    Yes. Of course. Some people have known for decades that civilisation is unsustainable and that living standards would have to fall -infinite growth of consumption of resources on planet of finite resources, infinite production of waste on a finite planet*, and other such nonsense that mainstream economists promote are what is causing the collapse.

    What has been astonishing is that the system has been held together as long as it has via creation of phony money and looting and polluting the planet.

    I believe we are still looking at collapse around 2030 if wars continue to be localised, and well before 2030 if most countries get dragged into WW3 over the next year or so.

    *As George Carlin noted, the planet will be fine; it’s the people who are fucked. (Also most of the wildlife.)


    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 11 2024 #156618

    The ability of a plane to take off is determined by the speed of the air passing over and under the wings.

    So no, the plane on the conveyor belt can’t take off.

    By the way, the slowly burgeoning disaster increasing atmospheric CO2 just keeps on slowly burgeoning.

    Apr. 10, 2024 427.35 ppm
    Apr. 10, 2023 422.29 ppm

    1 Year Change 5.06 ppm

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 6 2024 #156338

    While politicians and bureaucrats obfuscate and lie about practically everything, the overheating of the Earth by CO2, CH4 and N2O continues at an ever-faster pace, with truly dreadful consequences now emerging.

    ‘Simply mind-boggling’: world record temperature jump in Antarctic raises fears of catastrophe
    An unprecedented leap of 38.5C in the coldest place on Earth is a harbinger of a disaster for humans and the local ecosystem

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 27 2024 #155661

    Michael Reid.

    I have been well aware for many years that high-flying aircraft discharge damaging chemicals into the atmosphere. Vapour trails consist of ice particles and the products of combustion of jet fuel, and are discharged when they can do the most damage.

    There are undoubtedly experiments being conducted to examine the effect of seeding the atmosphere in order to form rain clouds or to mask the incoming radiation from the Sun.

    The chief source of problems is ‘solutions’, and we are now living in The Age of Consequences, whereby solutions to past problems are manifesting in many nasty ways. And it is going to get nastier and nastier, the more humans disrupt natural processes via technology.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 27 2024 #155660

    It will take another 2 months for the trajectory of atmospheric CO2 to peak in the current photosynthesis season (generation of CO2 exceeding photosynthetic and absorption by oceans removal processes).

    In the meantime, while we wait for the end of May data, ‘interesting times’ get ever more ‘interesting’ (deadly).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 27 2024 #155652

    Clearly, CO2 is the most important issue to you.

    Communism is the greatest emitter of CO2

    Yet Communism has had a cloak of invisibility for years now. You can’t see it.

    Surging atmospheric CO2 will render the Earth largely or completely uninhabitable for most extant species. So yes, it is among the biggest of issues, along with Fractional Reserve Banking and creation of money out of thin air by central banks and phony GDP numbers.

    It’s easy to blame communism but those who do so do not look at the big picture. One reason China has enormous CO2 emissions is that it manufactures a huge quantity of finished goods and semi-processed materials for the rest of the world.

    It will be very ‘interesting’ if the US proceeds with its plan to commence open hostility over the matter of Taiwan.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155601

    Important point: as the magnitude and frequency of climate related disasters increase, insurance premiums are increased or insurance cover is denied altogether. Governments*, corporations and consumers are pushing down on the ‘pedal’ of planetary meltdown.

    It can be argued that the governments of ‘Oceania’ are corporations.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155600

    For completeness I should point out yet again the adding CO2 to the atmosphere doesn’t just raise the CO2 level and raise the temperature: it also causes greater warming due to water vapour (H2O being a spectrally active substance).

    Water vapour can never be a prime driver of warming but is a major secondary driver of warming (overheating).

    The oceans have never -within the time frame of human existence of 1 million plus years- been warmer that now.

    All that said, we already know that governments will take no action to curb the use of fossil fuels; not even the trivial use of fossil fuels, such as occurs with tourism. “Got to get that carbon out of the ground and into the atmosphere as quickly as possible.”

    The presentation of this Climate Emergency Forum video is rather dreadful but there are some important points made, especially concerning the extremely warm oceans. Whilst many commentators focus on air or land temperatures, it is the temperature of the oceans that matters

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155598

    Recognising that all ‘Oceania’ governments (Airstrip 1 = UK, Airstrip 2 = US, Airstrip 3 = Canada, Airstrip 4 = Australia, Airstrip 5 = NZ) are corrupt to the core and that key personnel are simply professional liars, I have no interest in the ‘he said’, ‘she said’, ‘they said’ narratives that seem to interest other people.

    Fractional reserve banking, utilising money created out of thin air is fundamentally fraudulent, as is measurement of economic activity in terms of GDP.

    All the government controlled ‘environmental’ policies are concerned with protecting those who wreck the environment. All ‘biofuels’, electric cars, wind turbine, solar panel etc. narratives are promoted on the basis of fraud or no analysis whatsoever.

    ‘Official’ pronouncements about future population are fake, since they ignore all the factors that will actually determine population, especially Peak Oil and Abrupt Climate Change. No oil = very little food. No water = no plants.

    George Carlin got a lot of it right decades ago. Especially anything to do with government. “It’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you.”

    We cannot escape the meltdown that ‘Oceania’ governments have orchestrated for us. Whether it’s a year or two away or just months away is debatable. The system has an inexplicable capacity to keep functioning on the basis of fraud and deception.

    One thing we can be sure of is that governments make everything that matters worse.

    Pity the children, for they inherit the mess.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155585

    CO2 has been 6x today’s level and not only did nothing happen, the whole environment was IMPROVED

    Wild assertions based on no evidence are all that the denial mob have to offer.

    As pointed out on numerous occasions, higher atmospheric concentrations had immense repercussions ….like 90% of life forms vanishing and large swathes of the Earth becoming deserts (Permian Extinction Event).

    What the idiots who argue against well established science still don’t seem to appreciate is that we are on the cusp of a major swing in conditions prevailing on Earth, i.e. the Halocene that allowed homo sapiens to build empires and eventually inhabit much of the world was an exceptionally calm and stable period. Atmospheric CO2 ranged between 260 and 280 ppm during that period.

    The current value is approximate 426 ppm, and it will be 430 ppm end of May 2024.

    If we are going to use percentages, let’s use them sensibly. 430 ppm divided by 280 ppm is 1.53. In other words, in May 2024 atmospheric CO2 will be 53% higher than the level [of 280 ppm] that prevailed before humans turned much of the Middle East and North Africa into deserts by choppng down the trees to build ships, houses and temples.

    As we have witnessed on numerous occasions, those who deny reality are seemingly immune to scientific evidence and resort to making up false numbers, misquoting and distortion in futile attempts to justify their false arguments, whilst at the same time ignoring current data. They prefer to talk of conditions that prevailed hundreds of millions of years ago, such as the Carboniferous or Jurassic (while at the same time ignoring the Permian)

    The latest monthly data provides a grim warning:

    Feb. 2024 = 424.55 ppm
    Feb. 2023 = 420.30 ppm

    Up 4.25 ppm rise in one year (versus less that 1 ppm rise when Keeling commenced analysis and documentation in 1958).

    Much is now dependent on the methane clathrates that lie on the sea floor of shallow seas such as those north of Siberia.

    The above image shows monthly Atlantic surface temperatures through February 2024 (background image), highlighting the potential for the slowing down of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) to contribute to more heat accumulating at the surface of the Atlantic and methane to erupt from the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.

    As temperatures rise, feedbacks are kickong in with greater ferocity, resulting in creased ocean stratification, less reflectivity, heavier melting of Greenland’s ice and freshwater runoff from land and rivers, all of which can contribute to slowing down of AMOC. While this is causing less ocean heat to reach the Arctic Ocean at the moment, a huge amount of ocean heat is accumulating in the North Atlantic that threatens to abruptly move into the Arctic Ocean.

    The inset illustrates that, as people’s emissions heat up the air and oceans, strengthening wind, ocean currents, rainfall, etc., the potential increases for a lid to form and spread at the surface of the North Atlantic. As temperatures rise, more evaporation takes place and more rain falls further down the path of the Gulf Stream, i.e. an ocean current that extends into the Arctic Ocean, as part of AMOC. This rain further contributes to the freshwater accumulation at the surface of the North Atlantic.

    This page further discusses formation of a cool freshwater lid at the surface of the North Atlantic and the contribution to this of Jet Stream changes. The image below shows that the Jet Stream reached speeds as high as 455 km/h or 283 mph north of Washington on February 18, 2024 03:00 UTC, with Instantaneous Wind Power Density as high as 387.5 kW/m².

    Interestingly, the sea ice extent is currently lower that the 2012 extent. However, we need to be mindful that sea ice extents can be misleading insofaras fresh water sits on to of salty water and freezes at a higher temperature than salty water. So the presence of [freshwater] sea ice in the Arctic offers no comfort.

    The downward linear trend in Arctic sea ice maximum extent from1979 to 2024 is 39,800 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) per year, or 2.5 percent per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average. Based on the linear trend values, the maximum extent has declined 1.79 million square kilometers (691,000 square miles) since 1979. This is equivalent to the size of Alaska or five times the size of Germany.

    This particular aspect is just coming into season, as the Earth’s orbit brings more and more heat to the Artic regions over the coming months.

    We will know in September how bad this year’s meltdown is.

    Around a decade ago Dr Jennifer Francis began to highlight how the reduced thermal gradient associated with warming in the Artic causes the Jet Streams to meander or wobble in ways that did not occur are recently as the 1990s, That meandering brings extreme weather variation of the kind some TAE commenters complain about, i.e. record drought followed by record torrential rain.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155565

    How much ozone is in the atmosphere?

    Peak concentrations, an average of 8 molecules of ozone per million molecules in the atmosphere, occur between an altitude of 30 and 35 kilometers.

    Yep, ozone, which occurs at a peak concentration of just 8 ppm, has a profound effect on the atmosphere. So profound is the effect there was near panic in high places when it was found to be depleting rapidly. So profound was the effect that the Montreal Protocol was rushed through to reduce the use the production and use of ODS (Ozone Depleting Substances) for a substance that occurred at less than 8 ppm on average.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 26 2024 #155563

    “CO2 levels have changed radically many times. Did this cause temperature change? No, absolutely not.”

    We have ALWAYS known this. Where was “Science”? Speaking of, where is AFKTT? We barely mentioned he was distracting from relevant and real topics and he vanished again. His argument? “CO2 IS APPROACHING 400PPM of 0.04% OF THE ATMOSPHERE, GAAAAAHHHHH!” And? How is the tenth power of the tenth power related to anything?

    I wasn’t going to bother, but since my name has been used with contempt and since the so-called information is inaccurate and misleading I must.

    Firstly, atmospheric CO2 is not approaching 400 ppm. It passed that point long ago and is now rapidly approaching 430 ppm; it will break through 450 ppm in the near future, i.e. before 2030.

    As is normal for uninformed commenters on this forum, the focus is on ‘disproving’ what has been known since 1859 (Tyndall) that CO2 absorbs and re-radiates energy.

    The obsession with converting ppm into percentage is ludicrous. How about using parts per billion, as is used for methane, the even more deadly gas when it comes to forcing of atmospheric thermal balance.

    Uninformed fools who make ridiclous statement might like to do some research on the Permian great extinction event of 252 million years ago, with was driven by CO2 being released in the formation of the Siberian Traps.. Or perhaps consider the recent 800,000-year average of 230 ppm, which humans have in mind of doubling ,i.e., a rise of 100% on baseline value.

    430 ppm, will be broken through before May 2024, and 460 ppm will be broken through before 2045.

    By the way, ozone, which occurs in concentration far, far below that of CO2 in the atmosphere: Yet without it, we would all be dead (including land plants from the effect of UV).

    The total mass of ozone in the atmosphere is about 3 billion metric tons, which is only 0.00006 percent of the atmosphere1. Most atmospheric ozone is concentrated in a layer in the stratosphere, about 9 to 18 miles (15 to 30 km) above the Earth’s surface

    Denial of well established since is a kind of ritual TAE engages in. And I have no idea why. Perhaps it fear. .

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 23 2024 #155354

    A major study published in scientific journal The Lancet has found that the global population will start to fall within decades due to vastly reduced fertility rates and may never recover. The study, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, found that by the year 2050, 155 of 204 countries are on course to have birth rates lower than required to sustain the population level

    Just too silly.

    We assume the study completely ignored peaking and decline of oil extraction, abrupt climate change, the insect apocalypse, wars to maintain/acquire control of resources etc. .

    Much more likely is a decline in world population commencing around 2030, perhaps before.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 21 2024 #155167


    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 19 2024 #155009

    Emeritus Professor of Physics at Princeton University, William Happer: “More CO2 is good for the world… It’s absurd to be trying to reduce CO2”.

    426 ppm (current) is not good for ecosystems evolved for 230 ppm (800,000 year average)..

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 17 2024 #154866

    By the way, sea water is not a source of energy. The source of energy that makes the lantern work is magnesium, which is manufactured by passing electricity through a molten magnesium salt.

    The quantity of energy liberated by immersing the magnesium [obtained via electrolysis] in sea water will always be less that the energy needed to manufacture the magnesium.

    There are no free rides in thermodynamics.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 17 2024 #154865

    Of course I am not the only one to have noted the recent surge in atmospheric CO2

    FRIDAY, MARCH 15, 2024
    CO2 rise is accelerating
    On March 15, 2024, the daily average carbon dioxide (CO₂) at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, was 427.93 parts per million (ppm), as illustrated by the image

    Environmental crimes

    The accelerating growth in carbon dioxide indicates that politicians have failed and are failing to take adequate action.

    Current laws punish people for the most trivial things, while leaving the largest crime one can imagine unpunished: planetary omnicide!

    As pointed out previously, all government responses are either fraudulent money transfer schemes (carbon trading, emissions trading etc.) or are strategies that make the predicament worse (tar sands extraction, electric cars, ‘hydrogen economy’ etc.).

    That said, we can expect nothing other than scams, diversions and fakery from our so-called leaders because they have no genuine interest in the future and are primarily concerned with keeping their snouts in the public feeding trough for as long as possible.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 16 2024 #154807

    I do not like using the word hope but am forced to on this occasion. We must hope that the latest atmospheric CO2 figure (427.93 ppm) is an outlier and not representative of a new trend because if it is representative of a new trend, we will break through 450 ppm in 4 years or less.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 16 2024 #154806

    Forecasting the point at which we break though 450 ppm atmospheric CO2 is not easy. Until today, I suggested 450 ppm would be likely reached around 2030.

    However, today’s record surge [compared to a year ago] in atmospheric CO2 suggests 450 ppm may be reached before 2030.

    Mar. 15, 2024 427.93 ppm
    Mar. 15, 2023 420.24 ppm
    1 Year Change 7.69 ppm (1.83%)

    Clearly few people want to accept that the chemical and thermal balance of the Earth are at stake because doing so would require them to desist from promoting the absurd narratives they have in their minds, such as infinite economic growth on a finite planet.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 15 2024 #154771


    You posted a marxist nihilist manifesto in favor of blowing up. all the hydroelectric dams and destroying all the infrastructure of civilization and said 7 billion dead people would be a good thing

    When thinking about industrial civilisation it is useful to remember the following.

    1. Our species has existed for around 200,000 years and for 199,800 years out of those 200,000 years did very well without steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity etc.

    2. Industrial Civilisation is inherently doomed to failure because it consumes and converts into waste the very things it needs to exist.

    3. The longer Industrial Civilisation persists, the more polluted and inhospitable the Earth becomes.

    I have noted some recent articles pointing out that micro-plastics are everywhere, including in the food we eat, and their effects on health are largely unknown. We images of seabirds dead because they ingested plastics, and we see images of turtles with plastics wrapped around their necks or limbs, but micro-plastics are potentially dangerous to most forms of life, humans included.

    Many years ago I read a comment in which the commenter described homo sapiens as ‘a plague of greedy apes.’

    I am convinced that the peak of human achievement occurred long before I was born and that industrial societies have only a few more years before the combination of depletion of resources and accumulation of pollutants bring the down.

    We need only look at what has been happening in Ukraine since 2014 or Gaza since 1947 to recognise there is little hope for our species.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 15 2024 #154770

    By the way, the concentration of methane (an even more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere is usually expressed as parts per billion, ppb.

    The pre-industrial level in the atmosphere was around 750 ppb.

    The current level is around 1900 ppb. That is more than twice the pre-industrial level (and rising fast).

    750 ppb is 0.75 ppm or 0.00075%

    I guess that jb-hb will try to convince everyone that it is so close to zero as to be equal to zero. Reputable scientists will ague that methane released from permafrost and methane clathrates poses an even greater threat than CO2, since CH4 has the potential to overwhelm the OH radical generation system in the atmosphere.

    Ignorance of fairly basic chemistry and physics and ecology, together with greed and stupidity will render the Earth largely or completely uninhabitable for humans in a matter of a few decades at best.

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