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jb-hb said
I got you to make excuses for Communist China yet again
I simply report facts. You don’t like factual discussions, and invariably engage in ad hominem attacks.
I ASSUMED that you were just a guy who happened to have bought into the Climate portions of the Jensen stuff.
jb-hb You assumed wrong. I was well aware of the disastrous trends in climate due to excess CO2 emissions in the late 1980s, when James Hansen, head of the US Goddard Institute, highlighted the CO2 predicament in his testimony before Congress. That was long before I had ever head of Derrick Jensen (around 2008).
The good news is that the Earth can never ‘go Venus’ because it is too far from the Sun. But it can easily overheat to the point of becoming largely uninhabitable, due to exceeding the wet-bulb, i.e. the combination of heat and moisture that makes evaporative cooling impossible.
Dr D
Marking 19 months in a row I ask how CO2 is 6x today’s level and nothing happened. Ever. No response.
That statement makes no sense.
I take it you did not bother to watch the Peter Brannen interview. Nor have you read the book (Ends of the World).
I take it you would not notice a sea level rise of 50+ metres worldwide and Antartica ice-free, with habitat for mammals year-round. That is where climate is headed (though not on a timescale significant for humans because most humans would be dead long before that point is reached).
As it stands, ocean heat is the highest ever measured and much of the world’s ice is melting, forests burn with intensity not seen before and deluges of rain repeatedly break records -which you presumably regard as ‘nothing is happening’.
I look forward to debate at a higher level than the 14-year-old level currently displayed by many contrarians.
jb-hb
The other aspect you conveniently forget is that China has a population nearly four times that of the US. So emissions nearly four times that of the US would be proportionate.
And it looks like AFKTT just can’t help himself from getting lost in the weeds
A.C. Please explain.
Everything is connected, and energy and environment are the master cards that trump everything else in the system..
Dammit, I wanted to avoid reference to Trump (big yawn) but trump is the best word.
jb-hb Did you bother to actually watch the Nate Hagens? My guess is no.
I cannot be responsible for your refusal to become informed: only you can be responsible for that.When is your flight to China, AFKTT
I have no intention of flying anywhere.
As for the (repeated) graph, I answered.why China’s emissions appear to be so high: China is manufacturing goods for previously developed nations that are now largely post-industrial. There are embedded CO2 emissions in all manufactured goods.
By the way, all mainstream economics is fraud and jiggery pokery.
Also, there is no such thing as the ‘green economy’. What is described as the ‘green economy’ is as a subset of the fossil fuel economy.
What is interesting is the effect that diminishing supplies of liquid fuels (Peak Oil) will have on mainstream economics. The temporary propping up of the system via fracking is coming to an end (conventional extraction having peaked).
The antics of politicians and bureaucrats are of little significance when one examines the big picture.
We are living through a ‘carbon pulse’.
Previous carbon pulses occurred much more slowly than the present [industrial human] one, but nevertheless led to mass extinctions.
We must expect mass extinction on an unprecedented scale of we continue to desequester the carbon that the Earth sequestered tens of millions of years ago or hundreds of millions of years ago (Ends of the World -Peter Brannan).
From the link: ‘The foundations for our civilization and system are built on sand. Living standards are going to decline.’
Yes. Of course. Some people have known for decades that civilisation is unsustainable and that living standards would have to fall -infinite growth of consumption of resources on planet of finite resources, infinite production of waste on a finite planet*, and other such nonsense that mainstream economists promote are what is causing the collapse.
What has been astonishing is that the system has been held together as long as it has via creation of phony money and looting and polluting the planet.
I believe we are still looking at collapse around 2030 if wars continue to be localised, and well before 2030 if most countries get dragged into WW3 over the next year or so.
*As George Carlin noted, the planet will be fine; it’s the people who are fucked. (Also most of the wildlife.)
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The ability of a plane to take off is determined by the speed of the air passing over and under the wings.
So no, the plane on the conveyor belt can’t take off.
By the way, the slowly burgeoning disaster increasing atmospheric CO2 just keeps on slowly burgeoning.
Apr. 10, 2024 427.35 ppm
Apr. 10, 2023 422.29 ppm1 Year Change 5.06 ppm
While politicians and bureaucrats obfuscate and lie about practically everything, the overheating of the Earth by CO2, CH4 and N2O continues at an ever-faster pace, with truly dreadful consequences now emerging.
‘Simply mind-boggling’: world record temperature jump in Antarctic raises fears of catastrophe
An unprecedented leap of 38.5C in the coldest place on Earth is a harbinger of a disaster for humans and the local ecosystemMichael Reid.
I have been well aware for many years that high-flying aircraft discharge damaging chemicals into the atmosphere. Vapour trails consist of ice particles and the products of combustion of jet fuel, and are discharged when they can do the most damage.
There are undoubtedly experiments being conducted to examine the effect of seeding the atmosphere in order to form rain clouds or to mask the incoming radiation from the Sun.
The chief source of problems is ‘solutions’, and we are now living in The Age of Consequences, whereby solutions to past problems are manifesting in many nasty ways. And it is going to get nastier and nastier, the more humans disrupt natural processes via technology.
It will take another 2 months for the trajectory of atmospheric CO2 to peak in the current photosynthesis season (generation of CO2 exceeding photosynthetic and absorption by oceans removal processes).
In the meantime, while we wait for the end of May data, ‘interesting times’ get ever more ‘interesting’ (deadly).
Clearly, CO2 is the most important issue to you.
Communism is the greatest emitter of CO2
Yet Communism has had a cloak of invisibility for years now. You can’t see it.
Surging atmospheric CO2 will render the Earth largely or completely uninhabitable for most extant species. So yes, it is among the biggest of issues, along with Fractional Reserve Banking and creation of money out of thin air by central banks and phony GDP numbers.
It’s easy to blame communism but those who do so do not look at the big picture. One reason China has enormous CO2 emissions is that it manufactures a huge quantity of finished goods and semi-processed materials for the rest of the world.
It will be very ‘interesting’ if the US proceeds with its plan to commence open hostility over the matter of Taiwan.
Important point: as the magnitude and frequency of climate related disasters increase, insurance premiums are increased or insurance cover is denied altogether. Governments*, corporations and consumers are pushing down on the ‘pedal’ of planetary meltdown.
It can be argued that the governments of ‘Oceania’ are corporations.
For completeness I should point out yet again the adding CO2 to the atmosphere doesn’t just raise the CO2 level and raise the temperature: it also causes greater warming due to water vapour (H2O being a spectrally active substance).
Water vapour can never be a prime driver of warming but is a major secondary driver of warming (overheating).
The oceans have never -within the time frame of human existence of 1 million plus years- been warmer that now.
All that said, we already know that governments will take no action to curb the use of fossil fuels; not even the trivial use of fossil fuels, such as occurs with tourism. “Got to get that carbon out of the ground and into the atmosphere as quickly as possible.”
The presentation of this Climate Emergency Forum video is rather dreadful but there are some important points made, especially concerning the extremely warm oceans. Whilst many commentators focus on air or land temperatures, it is the temperature of the oceans that matters
Recognising that all ‘Oceania’ governments (Airstrip 1 = UK, Airstrip 2 = US, Airstrip 3 = Canada, Airstrip 4 = Australia, Airstrip 5 = NZ) are corrupt to the core and that key personnel are simply professional liars, I have no interest in the ‘he said’, ‘she said’, ‘they said’ narratives that seem to interest other people.
Fractional reserve banking, utilising money created out of thin air is fundamentally fraudulent, as is measurement of economic activity in terms of GDP.
All the government controlled ‘environmental’ policies are concerned with protecting those who wreck the environment. All ‘biofuels’, electric cars, wind turbine, solar panel etc. narratives are promoted on the basis of fraud or no analysis whatsoever.
‘Official’ pronouncements about future population are fake, since they ignore all the factors that will actually determine population, especially Peak Oil and Abrupt Climate Change. No oil = very little food. No water = no plants.
George Carlin got a lot of it right decades ago. Especially anything to do with government. “It’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you.”
We cannot escape the meltdown that ‘Oceania’ governments have orchestrated for us. Whether it’s a year or two away or just months away is debatable. The system has an inexplicable capacity to keep functioning on the basis of fraud and deception.
One thing we can be sure of is that governments make everything that matters worse.
Pity the children, for they inherit the mess.
CO2 has been 6x today’s level and not only did nothing happen, the whole environment was IMPROVED
Wild assertions based on no evidence are all that the denial mob have to offer.
As pointed out on numerous occasions, higher atmospheric concentrations had immense repercussions ….like 90% of life forms vanishing and large swathes of the Earth becoming deserts (Permian Extinction Event).
What the idiots who argue against well established science still don’t seem to appreciate is that we are on the cusp of a major swing in conditions prevailing on Earth, i.e. the Halocene that allowed homo sapiens to build empires and eventually inhabit much of the world was an exceptionally calm and stable period. Atmospheric CO2 ranged between 260 and 280 ppm during that period.
The current value is approximate 426 ppm, and it will be 430 ppm end of May 2024.
If we are going to use percentages, let’s use them sensibly. 430 ppm divided by 280 ppm is 1.53. In other words, in May 2024 atmospheric CO2 will be 53% higher than the level [of 280 ppm] that prevailed before humans turned much of the Middle East and North Africa into deserts by choppng down the trees to build ships, houses and temples.
As we have witnessed on numerous occasions, those who deny reality are seemingly immune to scientific evidence and resort to making up false numbers, misquoting and distortion in futile attempts to justify their false arguments, whilst at the same time ignoring current data. They prefer to talk of conditions that prevailed hundreds of millions of years ago, such as the Carboniferous or Jurassic (while at the same time ignoring the Permian)
The latest monthly data provides a grim warning:
Feb. 2024 = 424.55 ppm
Feb. 2023 = 420.30 ppmUp 4.25 ppm rise in one year (versus less that 1 ppm rise when Keeling commenced analysis and documentation in 1958).
Much is now dependent on the methane clathrates that lie on the sea floor of shallow seas such as those north of Siberia.
https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/
The above image shows monthly Atlantic surface temperatures through February 2024 (background image), highlighting the potential for the slowing down of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) to contribute to more heat accumulating at the surface of the Atlantic and methane to erupt from the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
As temperatures rise, feedbacks are kickong in with greater ferocity, resulting in creased ocean stratification, less reflectivity, heavier melting of Greenland’s ice and freshwater runoff from land and rivers, all of which can contribute to slowing down of AMOC. While this is causing less ocean heat to reach the Arctic Ocean at the moment, a huge amount of ocean heat is accumulating in the North Atlantic that threatens to abruptly move into the Arctic Ocean.
The inset illustrates that, as people’s emissions heat up the air and oceans, strengthening wind, ocean currents, rainfall, etc., the potential increases for a lid to form and spread at the surface of the North Atlantic. As temperatures rise, more evaporation takes place and more rain falls further down the path of the Gulf Stream, i.e. an ocean current that extends into the Arctic Ocean, as part of AMOC. This rain further contributes to the freshwater accumulation at the surface of the North Atlantic.
This page further discusses formation of a cool freshwater lid at the surface of the North Atlantic and the contribution to this of Jet Stream changes. The image below shows that the Jet Stream reached speeds as high as 455 km/h or 283 mph north of Washington on February 18, 2024 03:00 UTC, with Instantaneous Wind Power Density as high as 387.5 kW/m².
Interestingly, the sea ice extent is currently lower that the 2012 extent. However, we need to be mindful that sea ice extents can be misleading insofaras fresh water sits on to of salty water and freezes at a higher temperature than salty water. So the presence of [freshwater] sea ice in the Arctic offers no comfort.
The downward linear trend in Arctic sea ice maximum extent from1979 to 2024 is 39,800 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) per year, or 2.5 percent per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average. Based on the linear trend values, the maximum extent has declined 1.79 million square kilometers (691,000 square miles) since 1979. This is equivalent to the size of Alaska or five times the size of Germany.
This particular aspect is just coming into season, as the Earth’s orbit brings more and more heat to the Artic regions over the coming months.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
We will know in September how bad this year’s meltdown is.
Around a decade ago Dr Jennifer Francis began to highlight how the reduced thermal gradient associated with warming in the Artic causes the Jet Streams to meander or wobble in ways that did not occur are recently as the 1990s, That meandering brings extreme weather variation of the kind some TAE commenters complain about, i.e. record drought followed by record torrential rain.
How much ozone is in the atmosphere?
Peak concentrations, an average of 8 molecules of ozone per million molecules in the atmosphere, occur between an altitude of 30 and 35 kilometers.
Yep, ozone, which occurs at a peak concentration of just 8 ppm, has a profound effect on the atmosphere. So profound is the effect there was near panic in high places when it was found to be depleting rapidly. So profound was the effect that the Montreal Protocol was rushed through to reduce the use the production and use of ODS (Ozone Depleting Substances) for a substance that occurred at less than 8 ppm on average.
“CO2 levels have changed radically many times. Did this cause temperature change? No, absolutely not.”
We have ALWAYS known this. Where was “Science”? Speaking of, where is AFKTT? We barely mentioned he was distracting from relevant and real topics and he vanished again. His argument? “CO2 IS APPROACHING 400PPM of 0.04% OF THE ATMOSPHERE, GAAAAAHHHHH!” And? How is the tenth power of the tenth power related to anything?
I wasn’t going to bother, but since my name has been used with contempt and since the so-called information is inaccurate and misleading I must.
Firstly, atmospheric CO2 is not approaching 400 ppm. It passed that point long ago and is now rapidly approaching 430 ppm; it will break through 450 ppm in the near future, i.e. before 2030.
As is normal for uninformed commenters on this forum, the focus is on ‘disproving’ what has been known since 1859 (Tyndall) that CO2 absorbs and re-radiates energy.
The obsession with converting ppm into percentage is ludicrous. How about using parts per billion, as is used for methane, the even more deadly gas when it comes to forcing of atmospheric thermal balance.
Uninformed fools who make ridiclous statement might like to do some research on the Permian great extinction event of 252 million years ago, with was driven by CO2 being released in the formation of the Siberian Traps.. Or perhaps consider the recent 800,000-year average of 230 ppm, which humans have in mind of doubling ,i.e., a rise of 100% on baseline value.
430 ppm, will be broken through before May 2024, and 460 ppm will be broken through before 2045.
By the way, ozone, which occurs in concentration far, far below that of CO2 in the atmosphere: Yet without it, we would all be dead (including land plants from the effect of UV).
The total mass of ozone in the atmosphere is about 3 billion metric tons, which is only 0.00006 percent of the atmosphere1. Most atmospheric ozone is concentrated in a layer in the stratosphere, about 9 to 18 miles (15 to 30 km) above the Earth’s surface
Denial of well established since is a kind of ritual TAE engages in. And I have no idea why. Perhaps it fear. .
A major study published in scientific journal The Lancet has found that the global population will start to fall within decades due to vastly reduced fertility rates and may never recover. The study, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, found that by the year 2050, 155 of 204 countries are on course to have birth rates lower than required to sustain the population level
Just too silly.
We assume the study completely ignored peaking and decline of oil extraction, abrupt climate change, the insect apocalypse, wars to maintain/acquire control of resources etc. .
Much more likely is a decline in world population commencing around 2030, perhaps before.
Emeritus Professor of Physics at Princeton University, William Happer: “More CO2 is good for the world… It’s absurd to be trying to reduce CO2”.
426 ppm (current) is not good for ecosystems evolved for 230 ppm (800,000 year average)..
By the way, sea water is not a source of energy. The source of energy that makes the lantern work is magnesium, which is manufactured by passing electricity through a molten magnesium salt.
The quantity of energy liberated by immersing the magnesium [obtained via electrolysis] in sea water will always be less that the energy needed to manufacture the magnesium.
There are no free rides in thermodynamics.
Of course I am not the only one to have noted the recent surge in atmospheric CO2
FRIDAY, MARCH 15, 2024
CO2 rise is accelerating
On March 15, 2024, the daily average carbon dioxide (CO₂) at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, was 427.93 parts per million (ppm), as illustrated by the imagehttps://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2024/03/co2-rise-is-accelerating.html.
Environmental crimes
The accelerating growth in carbon dioxide indicates that politicians have failed and are failing to take adequate action.
Current laws punish people for the most trivial things, while leaving the largest crime one can imagine unpunished: planetary omnicide!
As pointed out previously, all government responses are either fraudulent money transfer schemes (carbon trading, emissions trading etc.) or are strategies that make the predicament worse (tar sands extraction, electric cars, ‘hydrogen economy’ etc.).
That said, we can expect nothing other than scams, diversions and fakery from our so-called leaders because they have no genuine interest in the future and are primarily concerned with keeping their snouts in the public feeding trough for as long as possible.
I do not like using the word hope but am forced to on this occasion. We must hope that the latest atmospheric CO2 figure (427.93 ppm) is an outlier and not representative of a new trend because if it is representative of a new trend, we will break through 450 ppm in 4 years or less.
Forecasting the point at which we break though 450 ppm atmospheric CO2 is not easy. Until today, I suggested 450 ppm would be likely reached around 2030.
However, today’s record surge [compared to a year ago] in atmospheric CO2 suggests 450 ppm may be reached before 2030.
Mar. 15, 2024 427.93 ppm
Mar. 15, 2023 420.24 ppm
1 Year Change 7.69 ppm (1.83%)Clearly few people want to accept that the chemical and thermal balance of the Earth are at stake because doing so would require them to desist from promoting the absurd narratives they have in their minds, such as infinite economic growth on a finite planet.
jb-hb
You posted a marxist nihilist manifesto in favor of blowing up. all the hydroelectric dams and destroying all the infrastructure of civilization and said 7 billion dead people would be a good thing
When thinking about industrial civilisation it is useful to remember the following.
1. Our species has existed for around 200,000 years and for 199,800 years out of those 200,000 years did very well without steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity etc.
2. Industrial Civilisation is inherently doomed to failure because it consumes and converts into waste the very things it needs to exist.
3. The longer Industrial Civilisation persists, the more polluted and inhospitable the Earth becomes.
I have noted some recent articles pointing out that micro-plastics are everywhere, including in the food we eat, and their effects on health are largely unknown. We images of seabirds dead because they ingested plastics, and we see images of turtles with plastics wrapped around their necks or limbs, but micro-plastics are potentially dangerous to most forms of life, humans included.
Many years ago I read a comment in which the commenter described homo sapiens as ‘a plague of greedy apes.’
I am convinced that the peak of human achievement occurred long before I was born and that industrial societies have only a few more years before the combination of depletion of resources and accumulation of pollutants bring the down.
We need only look at what has been happening in Ukraine since 2014 or Gaza since 1947 to recognise there is little hope for our species.
By the way, the concentration of methane (an even more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere is usually expressed as parts per billion, ppb.
The pre-industrial level in the atmosphere was around 750 ppb.
The current level is around 1900 ppb. That is more than twice the pre-industrial level (and rising fast).
750 ppb is 0.75 ppm or 0.00075%
I guess that jb-hb will try to convince everyone that it is so close to zero as to be equal to zero. Reputable scientists will ague that methane released from permafrost and methane clathrates poses an even greater threat than CO2, since CH4 has the potential to overwhelm the OH radical generation system in the atmosphere.
Ignorance of fairly basic chemistry and physics and ecology, together with greed and stupidity will render the Earth largely or completely uninhabitable for humans in a matter of a few decades at best.
jb-hb
I’ll just observe, as anyone watching you is, that you want to represent a change in the atmosphere of 0.000531% as 20%
No one in their right mind expresses the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere as a percent, except when comparing with N2 and O2, i.e. N2 78%,O2 20% Ar etc. 1%.
Scientists use ppm because ppm gives us simple numbers.
For some strange reason* you wish to express 425 ppm as 0.0425 and a typical annual increase of 5 ppm as 0.0005%.
It makes no difference whether we use ppm or percent as long as the methodology of comparison is correct. Doing that we still end up with the same answer: 0.0005/0.0425 x 100 = 1.18% increase, just as 5/425 x 100 = 1.18%
Current atmospheric CO2 levels are just over 1% higher than they were a year ago.
* Arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than arguing to establish truth of have a sensible dialogue.
asnaz has to add an insulting comment ( a kind of addiction, it seems ) since he is also incapable of logical thinking or respectful dialogue.
It will get really interesting when atmospheric CO2 reaches 460 ppm, since that will be TWICE the 800,000-year average of 230 ppm. On the basis of current trends, that will be around 2032.
When atmospheric CO2 is DOUBLE the pre-industrial level, i.e. 560 ppm presumably jb-hb will be describing that as 0.056% or some other equally silly figure.
In practice, jb-hb will not be to apply his anti-mathematical methods since 560 ppm atmospheric CO2 likely won’t be reached until some time around 2045, and the Earth will have been rendered largely or completely uninhabitable for humans by the activities of industrial humans.
That said, by 2045 the electric grid will be down and industrial society will be over as a consequence the squandering of energy up to this point of time that leads to an ever-diminishing supply of diesel etc. in the near future.
We can rely on jb-hb to attempt to downplay a horrifying state of the atmosphere by using fake/fraudulent mathematics, better described a non-mathematics.
When calculating a percentage change we take the new value minus the previous value and divide by the original
Thus, if there is a change from 100 to 120, that is an increase of 20 or a 20% increase..
The most recent values published by CO2earth are
Mar. 14, 2024 425.56 ppm
Mar. 14, 2023 420.30 ppm
1 Year Change 5.26 ppm5.26 divided by 425.56 times 100 = 1.23%
There are two baselines for atmospheric CO2: 280 ppm, the preindustrial baseline; 230 ppm, the 800,000 average.
Thus, current value is 425.56/280 = 151 or 51% above the preindustrial baseline.
It is better to think in terms of the past 800-000 years, when the average was 230 ppm and the peaks were around 260 ppm. .
No wonder the Earth is in meltdown.
Of course, we know from previous experience that jb-hb is incapable of accepting reality and tries to argue on the basis or preposterous thinking, arguing justfor the sake of argiung..
Back in the real world,
Mar. 14, 2024 425.56 ppm
Mar. 14, 2023 420.30 ppm
1 Year Change 5.26 ppm (1.25%)and if this rate of change is maintained we break through 450 ppm in just over 4 years.
In the early 2000s there was much discussion about the global peaking of oil extraction and the subsequent decline, and the effects that decline would have on industrial societies.
In practice, ultra-low interest rates (junk=rated loans) and improved technology facilitated a fracking boom which ‘kicked the can down the road; for another decade or so.
As I understand it, conventional extraction morphed into bumpy plateau between 2007 and 2019. reclassification of condensates and tar sands extraction as oil obfuscated the real state of affairs. Some analysts insist that the peak occurred 2019.
We are clearly at, or very close to, the inflection point for global oil extraction, facing the prospect of diminishing supply in the near future. Almost no one is talking about this, though Tim Watkins as The Consciousness of Sheep has made several references to North Sea oil being what got Britin out of the crap in the 1980s, and hte fact that North Sea extraction peaked in the early 2000s.
Not many commentators link the goings on in Ukraine.to the desperation of many European countries to get access to Russian oil,
…..’Despite its apparently small increased power compared to coal – around 10 megajoules per kilogram – the additional power provided by oil shaped the modern world. But its high points – sending men to the Moon, commercial supersonic flight, transplant surgery, microprocessors, etc., – are half a century or so behind us. Indeed, look closely enough and you will probably notice that a good deal of the built environment from those days is falling apart.
Oil, it turns out, came with the same issues as coal. It is a finite resource (at least on any practical timescale) which has been developed on a “low-hanging fruit” basis… starting with the cheapest and easiest deposits then moving on to the difficult and expensive. And yet all the while being expected to meet the demands of a rapacious debt-based financial system for permanent economic growth. So that each additional unit of energy that has to be invested in recovering the more energy-expensive oil is a unit of energy no longer available to be converted into profit and interest repayment by the corporations and the banks…..
CO2earth reports atmospheric CO2 measured at Mauna Loa::
Mar. 13, 2024 424.52 ppm
Mar. 13, 2023 420.01 ppm
1 Year Change 4.51 ppmThe increase over the year-ago level is both shocking and unsurprising.
It is shocking because there is a recent set of results with exceptionally large* year-to-year increases;
Mar. 13, 2024 424.52 ppm Mar. 14, 2023 420.30 ppm 4.22 ppm increase
Mar. 12, 2024 Unavailable Mar. 13, 2023 420.01 ppm n/a
Mar. 11, 2024 424.95 ppm Mar. 12, 2023 419.64 ppm 5.31 ppm increase
Mar. 10, 2024 425.10 ppm Mar. 11, 2023 419.69 ppm 5.41 ppm increase
Mar. 9, 2024 425.54 ppm Mar. 10, 2023 421.83 ppm 3.71 ppm increase
Mar. 8, 2024 426.10 ppm Mar. 9, 2023 421.95 ppm 4.15 ppm increase
Mar. 7, 2024 425.36 ppm Mar. 8, 2023 420.74 ppm 4.62 ppm increase* The annual increase had been 2 to 3 ppm per annum prior to the current CO2 season..
An interesting exercise is to take the above increases in the context of the ‘upper limit’ for safety of 450 ppm, which was announced in the early 2000s.
450 ppm minus 425 ppm indicates we have just 25 ppm ‘wriggle room’ before we break through the so-called safe upper limit, and adding at CO2 at the current rate will result in the 450 ppm being breached in five or six years, i.e. around 2030.
If positive feedbacks have been triggered (and there is evidence that have) then the annual increase will be even greater, i.e. 5 ppm or 5.5 ppm or even 6 ppm per annum, giving us just 4 years before the 450 ppm level is breached.
None of this dismal scenario is at all surprising since practically all the policies promoted by governments around the world are predicated on burning more fossil fuels, and all the so-called mitigation strategies are either scams that are completely ineffective or ‘creative accounting’ scams that actually increase overall CO2 emissions.
We have to wait until the beginning of June to see how badly we have done this CO2 increase season -June marking the point when photosynthesis temporarily overtakes emissions, and atmospheric CO2 declines for a few months. .
Jerome Powell, Andrew Bailey, and Christine LaGarde are our not-so-charismatic captains, while the plethora of fifth-rate politicians which now populate our governments are the not-remotely-photogenic hired help brought in to pretend to steer the automated ship. Gates, Musk, Zuckerberg, et al., are our demented godzillionaire owners whose insane prescriptions are causing us to crash and burn. And, yes, we even have our complement of grounded physicists and engineers to remind us that, irrespective of what the uber-man-children who own everything claim, we won’t be breaking the laws of thermodynamics any time soon.
The reason the central bankers are raising interest rates in increments is because they have to be seen to be doing something. And so, they raise rates a little, and then stop to see if anything breaks. When nothing appears to break, they do it again. Repeat and rinse until – because rate hikes take months to have an impact – the entire financial edifice comes tumbling down. At which point, just like in 2008, they will claim that “nobody could have seen it coming” – because they certainly can’t.
The chancers, spivs and con artists who populate our governments are doing something similar. These are people who claim to be implementing a combined energy transition and digital revolution despite being unable to get someone to throw tarmac – the second most recycled material in the UK – into the growing number of potholes in our roads. Indeed, beyond the walls of the handful of still prospering (for now) top-tier university metropolises, decay and accelerating collapse is becoming harder to ignore.
What’s actually happening with respect to overheating of the Earth. Or what you can deny is happening if your personal viewpoint or philosophy is not based on scientific evidence.
DBS wrote
@aspnaz …… (and other onlookers of like mind)
In reference to your late yesterday’s comment attempting to dismissively ridicule Plato, Atlantis, ancient Hindu oral and written traditions, and generally all things having to do with the past (some people use the word “History”).
Please accept my apologies. If I had known you were smarter, more erudite and wiser than Plato I would never have deigned to offend your majesty by even broaching the topic of the possibility that the history we were taught in school was a cartload of bull shit.
Obviously you, personally, are the final arbiter of truth, and all of the thousands of other scholars, historians, archeologists and wise men who have attempted to record and discuss the history of our species and society were just wasting their time. All that anyone would have to do (rather than study so many dusty history books) would be to completely ignore what any of those doddering old fools had to say, and just go straight to you to find out what really happened in the past. Why spend a lifetime of study when all you’ve got to do is just go ask @aspnaz !?
I have not been seriously engaged in TAE for a while because, as I noted a while ago, the site got wrecked by a few ‘know it all’ trolls who just had to have last word on everything, even though they knew little or nothing about the topics under discussion. I just scan through the headings and scan through the comments these days.. For some reason I caught the thread of today’s. Probably the highlighting of the name of the chief TAE troll.
It’s not just aspnaz, of course. The Internet is awash with misinformation and superficial or completely wrong commentary and analysis.
And, as previously noted, I have serious issues with the anti-scientific stance of the operators of TAE when it comes to the severe overheating of the Earth that is due to accumulated and accumulating atmospheric CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. And on top of there is the ‘meltdown’ of biodiversity and ‘meltdown of nature in general that is the product of massive human overpopulation and overuse of resources: deniers of those aspects of the predicament will not be shifted from their stances any more than aspnaz or others of aspnaz ilk will be shifted from their stances, whatever evidence is presented.
I now recognise (too late) that the track I had been on for 25 years -of presenting the best available evidence at the time and expending a huge amount of time, money, energy and resources to preparing and attempting to awaken others- was a path to self-ruination, both financial ruin and ruination of health. My health is now severely compromised and I’m broke and broken.
Those who thrive and prosper are those who are members of Carlin’s ‘Big Club’ plus the top echelon of society who are doing very nicely looting and polluting the commons for their own short-term gain: it has always been that way.
It will be interesting to see how much longer the operators of the various western rorts and Ponzi schemes and perpetual wars (military wars, wars on truth, wars on nature, wars on the general populace etc.) can keep them going. So far it has been about 15 years longer than early activists thought possible; it was all ‘supposed’ to have gone down around 2008.
There are very clear signs that things are unravelling -the global economy, the environment, the energy system, the corrupt and dysfunctional financial-economic-political systems.
Sadly, anyone living in a western nation needs the rorts, Ponzi schemes and perpetual wars (maybe with shifting locations) and corrupt and dysfunctional financial-economic-economic systems to continue because all current living arrangements in ‘civilised nations’ are predicated on them continuing.
One cannot help but notice the decline in both number of commenters and depth of analysis on TAE since its peak.
The spectacular meltdown continues:
THURSDAY, JULY 27, 2023
‘Record high North Atlantic sea surface temperature
On July 25, 2023, the North Atlantic sea surface reached a temperature of 24.9°C, a record high in a tie with early September 2022. In previous years, a La Niña was suppressing temperatures, whereas El Niño is now pushing up temperatures.’
https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/
With another month of significant warming still in the pipeline for the North Atlantic, we are in for some spectacular meltdowns.
Next year, with atmospheric CO2 up another 2.5 to 4 ppm, it will be significantly worse, of course.
P.S.
aspnaz; do not look at the linked graph or read any of the article; you might actually become informed. And that would so bad for the fake narratives you promote. Ditto Dr D.
