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According to https://www.theccc.org.uk/publications/ we don’t need to change our driving habits. We just need to have electric cars. And then we need to have time of day tariffs, to stop the grid collapsing. This is madness. How much will electricity cost when it is used by all the cars?
As for Facebook, don’t worry, I am not on there either. I think it is a good place for the masses to congregate and leave the rest of the internet smart people like me.
Yesterday in Parliament the shadow home secretary spoke in defence of Assange according to my memory and this article:
“Diane Abbot has been criticised after defending Julian Assange following his removal from the Ecuadorian embassy and arrest.”
I suppose it is quite comical to try to stand up for democracy against the onslaught of totalitarianism and Guardian bigotry. So I give up completely. But what is the justification for this (below)? How does it help anyone? or is it just supposed to be a punishment for daring to leave the regime? It confirms to me we are absolutely right to leave.
I don’t know what happened to my twitter links, they should have been these:
t w i t t e r.com/JewishLabour/status/1115282710182989824
t w i t t e r.com/OwenJones84/status/1115299916602073090
But got mangled up somewhere into t.co
It is the right twitter link. It shows JLM responding to Leave.EU. I don’t think it does their cause much good because it makes it look like the vote was motivated by anti-brexit. I am responding mainly to the Independent article. It looks like a lot of mud slinging in all directions. What is the truth? Is the labour party or Leave.UK more racist than a random selection of people?
Firstly: antisemitism is real, it's a horrifying menace, and it must be defeated. Labour's own disciplinary procedures are out of date, not fit for purpose and need far reaching reform.
That doesn't mean The Sunday Times splash is accurate or fair. It isn't: and that matters. https://t.co/WOlvZk3ueA
— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) April 8, 2019
What conclusions should I draw from this?
We also voted overwhelmingly to support @peoplesvote_uk.
You are a divisive race baiting organisation and we want nothing whatsoever to do with you.
Go away and leave us and other minorities alone. https://t.co/Ez8YaIUG7c
— Jewish Labour Movement (@JewishLabour) April 8, 2019
Look at this remarkable contribution to the debate on the revocation of article 50 petition:
I have questioned the Prime Minister, and I am confused. Why does she think it is okay for MPs to change their mind and vote time and again, yet it is not okay for the people of our country to do that? After all, every five years we expect the country to change its mind in voting in general elections. In fact, the Prime Minister wanted the country to change its mind so that the Government had a stronger majority. Clearly that did not go well for her, but that was after just two years. We are now nearly three years out from the 2016 referendum. My constituents are absolutely right to call for a public vote with the second petition.
Amazingly, she has completely overlooked the fact that Brexit has not happened (yet?). If Labour win the next general election, should we leave the tories in for three years and have another go?
(To be fair, it was April 1st).
Apparently optimism for a soft brexit has made world stocks go up. Wow! Such massive influence for such a laughing-stock country. But why don’t we let the markets run everything? Maybe because the markets just read the press. And the press just looks at the markets. No, let’s not go there, it would be a cliff edge to the abyss.
Quoting the Guardian article:
I expect the minority of dedicated white nationalists and xenophobes to throw the towel in
What bigotry. Nationalism is a rude word for course, but what happens when the EU becomes a nation? will remainers be nationalist? Oh no, leavers will be separatists. You can put a spin on anything, and the Guardian does. Totalitarians! Plutocrats!
I don’t know how we would get a national unity government.
As parliament agrees on only one thing: that it is opposed to everything, and it is too late to do anything now because of EU elections, I suggest that the queen dissolve parliament and revokes article 50.
In the longer term we could have a referendum on England leaving the UK. That would solve the Irish and Scottish problems. Maybe Wales would like to join us.
If we have another referendum do we have to take into account the two and a half year pro-remain campaign by the Independent? or do we just write that off as “news” about the future? Or maybe we just wipe the slate clean and have a token period of unbiased reporting.
V. Arnold: “zero sympathy for the U.K….Stand and be counted, or just go away and die…
“In all my years of commenting, I cannot say I’ve ever changed anybody’s mind on anything…”
That doesn’t surprise me at all.
Notice people (on radio 4) still blame the leave campaign for false promises and claiming they could deliver things which they could not. But the government’s own leaflet said “This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”. But they have so far been unable to do this. You could argue that people didn’t know what “leave” meant, but it certainly didn’t mean staying in the EU.
They shouldn’t have called a referendum without having some plan on how to leave.
They’ve copied most of the laws into the UK statute books, so after we leave they can be changed by the UK government as required. How and when they come into effect I expect depends on the method of leaving.
But it seems we cannot leave because we are part of the Republic of Ireland.
The term ‘xenophobic’ was used in the New Statesman article.
Isn’t the UK system more democratic than the EU, with its non-elected commissioners who write the laws?
The characterisation of leave voters as xenophobic is bigotry. We voted for democracy. We don’t want to be trampled on by a totalitarian regime like Greece was.
We can still have immigration, but we can have immigration from other countries like Africa too. Why do Africans have to be excluded but not Europeans? is that fair?
Isn’t it generally the case that when people vote they don’t really know what they are voting for, because they are voting for something in the future? What information do they have to go on? the press, the media, promises, speculations, predictions. When people voted Lib-Dem in 2010 did they know they would be facilitating a Tory government? Should we rerun that election? The 2015 general election doesn’t count as a rerun of the 2010, those years are lost forever.