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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle April 1 2016 #27569
    TheTrivium4TW
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    hi seychelles, I argue that it is reality, regardless of what word is used to describe the discerner of that reality.
    Clearly, the Debt-Money Monopolists don’t treat the millions they impoverish and starve to death equal to themselves. I think most people on this site can get that point.
    I argue that ordinary people are smitten with the same problem. When people like me expose the human predator Debt-Money Monopolist class and the exact mechanism they use to systematically asset strip entire societies with mathematical precision, they don’t take action. Most won’t even do the middle school math and admit it is correct – and that rate appears to vary directly with level of education… the more people are schooled, the less able they are to admit an establishment organization is a fraud. How could a person who cares about others be so callous as to let an entity far worse than Ted Bundy run around on the loose without even bothering to warn people? Nobody that actually cared for other people could do that. Which is my point. It is cynical. It is also observably true. Sure, there are exceptions, but they are really, *really*, **really** frustrated people – and for good reason.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 1 2016 #27564
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>“…for the fault is in ourselves.”
    This is the most important observation, the elementary particle. We are inherently defective and contradictory beings. The best we can do is to understand how this frailty manifests itself in cyclical changes through time and to proactively position ourselves within the evolving structure.<<

    seychelles, but what is the fault? You’ve identified the source of the fault, but what is the fault itself that needs to be corrected?

    Can it be summed up thusly, from top (DMM arch villain) to bottom (Joe and Jane 6-pack), “Individuals do not care about others equal to how they care about themselves.”

    BTW, that insight didn’t originate with me – I’m just parroting it because I believe it to be correct.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 1 2016 #27563
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>I think we’re on the same side here. My point was, you can’t loan a thing you don’t have to *sustainably* grow.<<

    Hi diablo, this is exactly true. Note that “growth” is arbitrarily defined as debt-based money growth, NOT the growth of actual physical production. If an economy sells 3 items for $10 one year and 2 items for $11 then next year, the “GDP growth” is reported as +10% even though the contraction in the physical world was 33%. Contrary to common thought, statistics don’t actually lie, liars misuse statistics and conceal the actual data and logic underlying the statistic so people won’t be able to discern what the statistic actually means.

    Your are absolutely correct that exponential debt-growth is unsustainable, just like any other exponential function. The DMMs know this as well. A debt-based implosion of the economy is a feature, not a bug. That’s when they bust debtors and seize their assets using everyone’s beloved government agents to do the dirty work.

    Check out “Power of the Purse” – I’m about halfway through and it is good so far. I can’t vouch for what comes next, though… it might be golden or rusty. I’ll comment after I’ve watched all 4.5 hours of it.

    >>But back to my point, if a credible figure promises to pay people tomorrow for hamburgers today, will they go out and make them? You bet they will. And later, when he doesn’t pay, the “malinvestment” of the artificial economy collapses, all the producers are angry, and all the extra burgers are wasted, and confidence is shattered as they try to recover from wasting time and money on doing something stupid. That’s why it’s not sustainable. It’s just that, unlike hamburgers, economic fraud of low interest rates and malinvestment takes far, far longer to discover and fail. Long enough that one generation parties, and the next generation dies.<<

    It is actually worse than that. Yes, debt-based money bubbles create malinvestment, but they are an effect, not a cause. The reason that this system is unsustainable is much more fundamental than malinvestment. You could invest perfectly and this system would still fail. Debt-money systems are prima facie fraud. They are literally a weapon of warfare used to subjugate a people through the use of deception.

    The real reason for failure (from an ordinary person’s standpoint, this system works GREAT for the Debt-Money Monopolists!) is two-fold. Going back to the $20 example, you only have $20 and you owe me $21 and I control the $1 you need to pay me back, THEREFORE, YOU’VE ALREADY “FAILED” BEFORE YOU EVEN STARTED. You can invest that $20 perfectly, but you can’t earn what doesn’t exist.

    The second mechanism is the one the DMM has in play. The following is the real reason that inflation must be targeted or else the system implodes. I don’t want to steal just your $20 collateral, so, I “inflate” by creating another $20. Now you can earn that $1 from the new $20 and pay back your debts, but the new borrower has $19 and owes $21 after one year – the amount owed grows, too. This is exponential growth in debt and, as I said, all exponential function either 1. fail or 2. end up in infinity, and the latter doesn’t happen.

    When the exponential debt-growth fails, the entire system collapses right into the hands of the Debt-Money Monopolists because you (all the debtors, including governments!) don’t have enough money to pay back your debts. All the net monetary wealth of the DMMFM-C (Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist Mega-Corporatocracy) IS EVERYONE ELSE’S INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT, AND INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT WILL BE BUSTED AND COLLATERAL ASSETS SEIZED. Say “goodbye” to all those “UN Heritage” sites once the Banksters call in the debts and society is impoverished and can’t pay.

    >> Wimpy doesn’t pay. Because he can’t.<<

    But that debt has collateral which will be seized by the criminal TBTF&Jail DMMFM-C cabal.

    How to Be a Crook

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 1 2016 #27559
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>Full stop. Would spending money you don’t have create growth? Sure. “Sustainable” growth? No. By definition, unless you talk about increasing deficits, exponentially increasing (due to interest rate) forever. And “Very important” for growth? Has everyone in the world forgotten that you can expand your economy on savings and productivity? I know it’s been 100 years, but it IS possible. So one sentence: wrong, wrong, and wrong.<<

    No, diablo, you can’t. This is the libertarian fallacy, and one big reason why the Debt-Money Monopolist controlled Rockefeller Foundation financed Mises’s libertarian ideas.

    Let’s use a simple example and see if you can prove my claim wrong using actual numbers.

    You are society and I am the Debt-Money Monopolist that lends you money.

    I loan you $20 @ 5% interest per year. At the end of 1 year, you owe me $21 due to double entry bookkeeping adjustments that add $1 interest liability to your balance sheet and $1 interest asset to my balance sheet.

    Please tell me how you can “grow” that $20 into more money by saving and investing (or any other means under the sun) if I hold onto my $1 interest and don’t lend more money into existence.

    Good luck with that. 🙂

    People assume they comprehend the mechanics of the monetary system, but they really do not. The entire Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist Mega-Corporatocracy (DMMFMC) spews incessant mis/disinformation, but we still have to understand how it works. This zero-sum game “trap door” mechanism is almost never discussed and never discussed in the simple $20 example I created to help people better understand the mechanics.

    Establishment libertarian thought is completely blind to this facet of debt-based money issuance… and so ingrained in their views that most are incapable of learning it even in this simple format. Either that, or they are controlled opposition like Steve Keen.

    “In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
    ~ Ezra Pound

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 29 2016 #27547
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>” What a criminal country, always has been and always will be.”
    Surely you are referring to Eretz ‘Do as we say and not as we do’ Israel! LOL<<

    Almost every government is a front for the Debt-Money Monopolist cartel. The first 90 minutes of this documentary is good and I’m hoping the next 3 hours is equally as good…

    The Power of the Purse

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 28 2016 #27499
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Do we allow Steve Keen to lie and dissemble as he did in the comments of his article here because some of the things he says ring true and he generally makes us feel good?

    The Steve Keen Myth (The Principal And Interest On Debt Myth)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#6443525f6823

    Read the comments section – Steve Keen is completely exposed as a Debt-Money Monopolist gatekeeper by irrationally arguing an absurdity to keep the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist Corporatocracy in the shadows.
    If anyone thinks this is wrong, please argue using actual data and logic. If the argument is right, how can we trust such a Benedict Arnold and those who promote Mr. Arnold?
    Remember, the best lies have the most embedded truth and are told by engaging personalities.

    And for the record, no, I don’t believe Steve Keen is ignorant or stupid. He knows EXACTLY what he did in the comments section of that article.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 18 2016 #27384
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Raleigh, IMHO, the largest share of expenditures ends up as government debt to the Debt-Money Monopolists that accrues eternal interest. If we had to actually pay for all this upfront, almost nobody would support it simply because they wouldn’t want to give up their assets to do it.
    And another point, it is NOT the moral high-ground to admit the oppressed into your land WHILE NOT ADDRESSING THE OPPRESSOR THAT IS CAUSING THEM TO LEAVE.
    That’s aiding and abetting the oppressor while only giving the APPEARANCE of being good to the ignorati.
    Even worse, it is brain-dead when that same oppressor is running a debt-money bubble / debt-money bust operation that will rip of economic Muppet faces when it really begins to bleed us all out in earnest.
    It IS NOT the moral high-ground to make a stink about not wanting open boarders when you were silent while al Qaeda was financed by the Debt-Money Monopolist Corporate Fascist vassal governments finance and armed al Qaeda to wage international war crimes via their “Emmanuel Goldstein” proxy armies.
    What have you done to expose the THE OPPRESSORS – the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascists that privately control most of the world’s money systems (all debt-based frauds) while bombing all countries with independent money systems to smithereens?

    Al-Qaeda’s Specter in Syria
    Author: Ed Husain, Adjunct Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies
    August 6, 2012
    https://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

    “Al-Qaeda fighters, however, may help improve morale. The influx of jihadis brings discipline, religious fervor, battle experience from Iraq, funding from Sunni sympathizers in the Gulf, and most importantly, deadly results. In short, the FSA needs al-Qaeda now.”

    Yes, they think people are so stupid, and media, even independent media, too cowardly to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations is out PROMOTING AL QAEDA!
    Now, for those who don’t know the CFR, youtube “Clinton CFR” and “Cheney CFR” and watch those videos…
    We either stop the tyrant, or we all end up in h*ll holes with nowhere to run. But, hey, some people will feel really special due to the pat on their head for promoting the DMMC narrative in a deconstextualized manner.

    in reply to: China: A 5-Year Plan And 50 Million Jobs Lost #27316
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Nassim, the al Qaeda types promoted by the Council on Foreign Relations…

    Al Qaeda’s Spectre in Syria – Council on Foreign Relations
    Author: Ed Husain, Adjunct Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies
    August 6, 2012
    https://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

    Al-Qaeda fighters, however, may help improve morale. The influx of jihadis brings discipline, religious fervor, battle experience from Iraq, funding from Sunni sympathizers in the Gulf, and most importantly, deadly results. In short, the FSA needs al-Qaeda now.

    Are much to valuable to the Debt-Money Monopolists to let Russia annihilate. So they will almost assuredly transport them into the hear to Europe to rape and murder the impolitical masses of Europe to keep their focus of their systemic bankruptcy and asset stripping via a fraudulent debt-money system.

    You see, they think ordinary people are idiots and don’t read their publications.

    Also, the debts will be called in and the Debt-Money Monopolist Corporatocracy will asset strip society in their due time.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle March 3 2016 #27201
    TheTrivium4TW
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    What if Trump is controlled opposition and, shock above all shocks, is merely another Debt-Money Monopolist Machiavellian rhetorician who is simply lying to appease an upset population?
    That’s my working thesis until proven otherwise.
    He hasn’t touched the Debt Star’s generator issue – that of the fraud that is debt-based money.
    He’s also lying through his teeth about making America great again because debt-money mechanics won’t allow that for ordinary people.
    It sure would be sweet for the DMM to set up Trump as their Straw Man when the Debt Star implodes, though. They’ll sell it as “if only you voted for our guy, none of this would happen” to all the clueless people who will eat it up.

    in reply to: The Automatic Earth for Athens Fund Feeds Refugees (Too) #27181
    TheTrivium4TW
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    I need to clarify my previous post. The original analogy was to a rapist/victims scenario instead of a criminal/victims scenario. I changed everything except the last the sentence, that’s why the “rapists” reference comes “out of the blue.” My apologies. This can be corrected on the “back end” (with this note being deleted) or left as is.

    TheTrivium4TW
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    “Philanthropy is commendable, but it must not cause the philanthropist to overlook the circumstances of economic injustice which make philanthropy necessary.”
    ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Those “circumstances” are brought about by a criminal debt-money banking cartel that preys upon a nescient / ignorant society because the media in that society will not expose the root cause. In fact, they run interference for them, effectively protecting them from the sanitation that would come from sunlight.
    As an example in the US, many believe it is commendable to support economic immigrants that come to the US and, in many ways it is. Good intentioned people consider this type of work to be “good work,” and it is, to an extent. But MLK, Jr. exposed the flaw in this thinking…
    It is like helping your neighbor’s rape victims while never bothering to expose him as a rapist, SO HE CAN CONTINUE RAPING NEW PEOPLE. But think of all the people you get to feel good about helping, right?
    NO! That’s a sick perspective. The right perspective IS TO EXPOSE THE ROOT CAUSE and eliminate it.

    Monetary education should be paramount, with specific stress on the fraud inherent in societal impoverishing debt-money monetary systems. If I explained it to MLK, Jr. he would have gotten it and told the world… that’s why he was dangerous and had to be eliminated. He wasn’t willing to be “controlled opposition.”
    Anyone selling people on the idea of helping victims while “protecting the rapist” is doing a disservice to humanity.
    Oh, and blaming the assaults on the gardener the rapist hires doesn’t count as exposing the “root cause.”
    PROPERLY identify the bad guys, come hell or high water, or you are protecting the bad guys and your good deeds pale in comparison to your most effective lie of all – omitting WHO is orchestrating the hell on Earth that requires the help in the first instance.

    Inequality: Why are the rich getting richer?

    Poverty – Debt is **NOT** a choice

    How to Be A Crook

    Renaissance 2.0 – Debt-Money Monopolist EMPIRE

    Helping rape victims is good work. Protecting rapists by not exposing them is wickedness, regardless of the rationalization used.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 26 2016 #27077
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Hi Chris,
    They absolutely know what they are doing. Incompetent people don’t always increase their power, wealth, and control at every “mistake.” The perps are the Debt-Money Monopolists – the people who own and control the mega-money center banks and set up and control the central banks (they all act together, Dimon is on the board of the Federal Reserve, if memory serves).
    This attack on ordinary people has long been known.
    Lord Acton knew it. Napoleon knew it (he was running his own authoritarian system). Andrew Jackson knew it. Abe Lincoln knew it. Charles Lindbergh, Sr. knew it. James Madison knew it. James Garfield knew it. There was a reason why the Debt-Money Monopolists seized control of American schooling and the major media at the turn of the 20th Century – they had to hide this information from the masses.
    Is it “cynical” to see a rabid dog running at you, growling and foaming at the mouth, and claim that a dog is about to bit you? Or is that common sense?
    I could go on for hours on end, and if you like, I will.
    I will leave you with this quote from Henry Ford, Sr. – “The one aim of these [Debt-Money Monopolist] financiers is WORLD CONTROL THROUGH INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT.”
    The world’s premier industrialist wasn’t guessing when he made that statement, HE KNEW.

    in reply to: Are Asian Central Bankers Even Crazier Than Our Own? #27044
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>That the world’s central bankers get a lot of things wrong, deliberately or not, and have done so for years now, is nothing new.<<

    This is wrong – the Debt-Money Monopolist central bank employees are orchestrating a debt-bubble / societal looting pre-bust / debt-bubble bust operation in absolutely splendid fashion.
    After all, people as smart as you, Ilargi, don’t even see it even when the evidence is repeatedly put before you (or at least won’t admit it in public). They are doing and OUTSTANDING job according to their REAL INTENTIONS and I’m sure they are quite thankful for the witting and unwitting people who provide sufficient cover for their societal asset stripping operation to work.
    In fact, they’ve done such a bang-up jobs blowing this debt-bubble ahead of the inevitable debt-bust that you guys were predicting this debt-bubble wouldn’t busted over half a decade ago! Now that’s some great bubble blowing, no?
    As for Steve Keen, I supposed he didn’t bring up his version of running interference to benefit the Debt-Money Monopolists was exposed right here in minute detail…

    The Principal And Interest On Debt Myth
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#2a8022c56823

    The meat of the debate is in the comments section. Keen is technically correct, but functionally 100% wrong. His fatal assumption is that the mega-banks return 100% of all their earnings back into society such that the debtors who created the money have every opportunity to pay it back. The owners don’t retain earnings, they don’t store trillions in the mega-corporations, they don’t offshore trillions… they return every last dollar back to Main Street in a timely fashion.
    He’s he that stupid? I think not. I think he didn’t expect people to expose his Debt-Money Monopolist (and job protecting) fallacy and, when they did, he took off running like his job depended on it (and probably did).
    Did the Debt-Money Monopolist quislings class that got to Krugman (through MIT in Krugman’s case) also get to Keen?

    “Never Touch The Money System!”

    Note that Keen tucked tail and ran as soon as “the money system” itself was not only called into question, but exposed as a total debt-based fraud. He had no comment when that happened… he just babbled some absurdity about needing a more complex model when the truth of the fraud is based on simple 5th grade mathematics – and stopped replying lest the dishonesty of his position become ever more clear.
    Do the ordinary Greeks have access to all the money required to pay their debts, Ilargi? Steve Keen says they do – the mega-banks are such goodie two shoes that they push all their money back to main street (a requirement since debt and money is a zero sum game!) so the little guy can pay back all their debts, right? That’s total bull – and you know it. Steve Keen knows it, too, BUT HE LIES ABOUT IT TO BENEFIT THE VERY ROOT CAUSE OF THE EFFECTS YOU CLAIM TO DESPISE… but you won’t touch the ROOT CAUSE, either.
    You pretend it doesn’t exist.
    The whole world is being crushed by income inequality (access to debt-money required to pay debts), yet Steve Keens claims the multinationals and the oligarchs have a zero monetary net worth (they aren’t hoarding cash which, by definition, IS EVERY ELSE’S INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT THAT KEEN SAID DOESN’T EVEN EXIST!).

    The Traitor Is The Plague

    in reply to: That’s All I Can Stands, I Can’t Stands No More #26916
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Ilargi, check your premise. We don’t live in a democracy, we live in a Debt-Money Monopolist fascist empire state with a razor thin veneer (works only on the gullible) of democracy that has kicked to the curb the true limited democratic REPUBLIC that should have been erected in 1776.

    A house built on shifting sand and all.

    Trump is complete scoundrel, but so is everyone else in the race. To pretend like any of the Debt-Money Monopolist hired gun Machiavellian rhetoricians is more legitimate than another, without addressing the fraud of the entire system that encapsulates all these frauds, is to be “smart for nothing.”

    Trump is a liar. Bernie is a liar. If Hillary isn’t a full fledged demon, she almost certainly wants to be one. Jeb is deep in the Debt-Money Monopolist lair.

    See, the Debt-Money Monopolists know the average person is only able to focus on personalities. They can’t focus on systems, hence, this Debt-Money Monopolist system is “hidden” like an elephant in the middle of the room that is stomping people in the room to their economic death.

    “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws (implied – because I will control the law makers).”– Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

    “The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it’s profits or so dependant on it’s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.” — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

    They don’t want opposition… and Ilargi doesn’t oppose these people he won’t even admit exists. Rather, he opposes their policies in ways that ensure those policies will ENDURE.

    We need to be good, but we also need to be wise. Good intentions controlled by what are effectively deceptive Satanic forces will be used to further an evil agenda… EXACTLY as has been happening for eons.

    in reply to: Where Deflation Comes From #26915
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Hi Ilargi, check your premise that the claimed reason for Fed action is the real reason for Fed action. It is not. They lie to the general public. The aren’t stupid as they are raking in ever more money, hard assets, power and control for the Debt-Money Monopolist class that instituted the Fed and currently control it. They offloaded trillions of their debt onto those they call Muppets.

    “The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
    Groucho Marx

    They are faking that and because so many people fall for it they’ve got it made.

    The road Hell is paved by those with good intentions that have been dupes by the Great Deceiver. Be WISE as serpent, not an echo chamber participant.

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    ~Lord Acton

    “This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth.…When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized.…The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill.…” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.)

    “The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. From now on depressions will be scientifically created.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, after the passage of the Federal Reserve act 1913.)

    “The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. It may not do so immediately, but the trusts want a period of inflation, because all the stocks they hold have gone down… Now, if the trusts can get another period of inflation, they figure they can unload the stocks on the people at high prices during the excitement and then bring on a panic and but them back at low prices.…The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the Federal Reserve act, Congressman Lindbergh stated this a few years prior to the stock market crash in 1929 which ushered in the Great Depression Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.)

    “Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.)

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ― Napoléon Bonaparte

    “The bank, Mr. van Buren, is trying to kill me, but I will kill it!”
    ~President Andrew Jackson and the face depicted on the bank’s $20 bill (mocking the immonetarate – those withing monetary illiteracy)

    “We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.” — Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

    “The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers (Debt-Money Monopolists is a more complete and accurate description).” — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

    “If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
    by: Robert Hemphill, Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.
    Source: In the foreword to a book by Irving Fisher, entitled 100% Money (1935)

    “The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
    ― Henry Ford

    “Money [, especially debt-money,] is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal – that there is no human relation between master and slave.” Leo Tolstoy

    “The youth who can solve the money question will do more for the world than all the professional soldiers of history.”
    ~Henry Ford, Sr.

    People need the root cause to the myriad of problems ordinary humans face… not good wishes that work to effectively conceal the root cause so that it can go on deceiving, pillaging, and mass murdering humanity by the 10s of millions.

    in reply to: Is This Debt’s Last Rattle? #26750
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>I’ll agree that debt is slavery. However, most of the human race cannot live any other way now. What will we do?<<

    You and I can only warn the selfish masses who will, as a whole, do absolutely nothing of substance different. Because of this, the DMM Fascists will have their way with us and you or I can do is to help individuals gain the knowledge to help themselves and, frankly, stew in the failings of a planet full of vain narcissists that can’t be bothered with caring about other people in any real, sustained way. That, in a nutshell, is the problem with humanity, from the very top to the very bottom. We don’t care about others EQUAL to ourselves.

    And yes, the DMM are knowingly malevolent and they prey upon the naivety of the masses… people they’ve schooled and molded to worship authority and abhor being an outcast to those trained to worship authority… Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist financed authority.

    For those Biblical scholars, the Revelations imagery of a wealthy, finely dress woman Beast controlling woman riding the governmental Beast system basically is a perfect fit for the reality of the DMM Fascists perched upon and controlling the governmental Beast systems of nearly all nations. Remember, the Beast controlling woman has illicit relations with all nations at some point (and she’s already almost there…).

    in reply to: Is This Debt’s Last Rattle? #26744
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Hi jal, capitalism doesn’t exist. How can something that doesn’t exist “live” on? It can’t. The false Debt-Money Monopolist scapegoat to be blamed for the damage done by their fraudulent debt-money monetary system is the phantom boogey-man “capitalism.”
    Capitalism CAN’T EXIST when a small cabal of PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS retain the knowledge and power of a nation’s monetary system (in this case, all the world except those nations currently under threat of being bombed to have a debt-money central bank implemented) and have the ability to wield it to finance and control politicians and government.
    This is nothing new, it has been going on for 100s of years.

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ― Napoléon Bonaparte

    Orwell fully understood the power of an elite to dupe the masses via their use of false language. It is the responsibility of every citizen who doesn’t want to be lead into the pit of debt-money induced poverty to use correct language such that the criminals are exposed.

    You don’t live in a capitalist system, you live in a Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist System. An equivalent term would be Debt-Money Monopolist Oligarchy. This is the absolute observable truth, hence, most people will not have a clue what I’m saying.

    The mind control appears to be too “thick.”

    “We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.”
    ~William Casey, Debt-Money Monopolist financed CIA Director

    BTW, read this apparent mia culpa (or mock piece of the ignorant American people) by Debt-Money Monopolist fascist implementer J. Edna Hoover… but make the following change:

    “Swap Debt-Money Monopolist Fascism” for “communism” and it is a direct hit.

    https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-a-conspiracy-so-monstrous-he-cannot-believe-it-exists-hoover.t330/

    By the way, the FINANCING of of the totalitarian system misrepresented as “communism” also emanated from the Debt-Money Monopolists. The DMM Fascists actually HATE AND DESPISE the true meaning of socialism and communism. The country that best fit the ideals of socialism in the word, Libya, was razed to the ground by DMM Fascist vassal governments via their use of terrorist al Qaeda proxy armies they funded and armed (no, NOT the US as a whole, but the DMM Fascists with the POWER to control the actions of government).
    Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8391632/Libya-the-West-and-al-Qaeda-on-the-same-side.html

    Al-Qaeda’s Specter in Syria
    https://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782
    “The influx of jihadis brings discipline, religious fervor, battle experience from Iraq, funding from Sunni sympathizers in the Gulf, and most importantly, deadly results. In short, the FSA needs al-Qaeda now.”

    Youtube “CFR hillary clinton” and then, in a second search, replace hillary clinton with dick cheney. Yup, Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney hang at the same CFR club that promotes al Qaeda as a very useful asset to overthrow the closest thing to socialism on Earth and replacing it with a terrorist hell-hole.

    “Front Organizations Established in Key Countries

    At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system had to be greatly extended. Once again the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing local Round Table Group. This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group.

    In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group. The American organizers were dominated by the large number of Morgan “experts,” including Lamont and Beer, who had gone to the Paris Peace Conference and there became close friends with the similar group of English “experts” which had been recruited by the Milner group.

    J. P. Morgan and Company Were the Center of the Round Table Group in America

    On this basis, which was originally financial and goes back to George Peabody, there grew up in the twentieth century a power structure between London and New York which penetrated deeply into university life, the press, and the practice of foreign policy. In England the center was the Round Table Group, while in the United States it was J. P. Morgan and Company or its local branches in Boston, Philadelphia, and Cleveland.”
    Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (Debt-Money Monopolist historian and DMM controlled Presidential mentor/controller to William Jefferson Clinton)

    in reply to: Is This Debt’s Last Rattle? #26743
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    “The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.” ~Henry Ford

    >>There’s one reason for the delay only: central bank hubris.<<
    Absolutely false. The main purpose of the this delay was for the Debt-Money Monopoly (DMM) and its corporate assets to loot the American people out of trillions in debt-denominated dollars and offload trillions in DMM corporate debt to the the American broke American people, all while using propaganda in order to create the false pretense of hubris such that the average person won’t be able to figure out is was 100% malice. The echo chamber serves the interests of the DMM false narratives spewed into it.

    <<And now the entire shebang is falling to bits.<<
    Not at all. Nothing unexpected has happened. The DMM has fully secured trillions in debt-receipts (the money face of two-faced money), created through issuing trillions in inextinguishable debt to the nescient and ignorant masses, while offloading trillions of its debts the immonetarate (monetary illiterate) masses.

    QE represented the quantitative easing of DMM oligarch debts while simultaneously looting trillions more from a society suffering from monetary illiteracy.

    JP Morgan said that every man has two reasons for doing a thing: The good reason and the real reason. Until humanity can spare some brain cells to question the DMM “good reason” propaganda, we are doomed. Even Eisenhower warned us.

    Let me be clear, debt-money is the most sophisticated, the most human degrading, and the most deadly weapon every wielded against mankind. More people have died of debt-money induced poverty than almost any other cause. Wars are financed and controlled by Debt-Money Monopolists, in part to slay the host country to inextinguishable debt.

    But, alas, so few have ears to hear.

    It’s just all one big blunder that the Fed’s controllers end up with all the monetary wealth and effective jack-boot monetary control of planet Earth while everyone else ends up in poverty with inextinguishable debt. It was all one accident because the jack-booted world controllers were “stupid,” right? They just didn’t get it, right?

    But all the face ripped Muppets now ruled by Debt-Money Monopolists jack-boots are sooooo smart. No, most people are galactic chumps being played for unevolved fools who can’t even figure out the enemy when their own historian and Presidential mentor PUTS IT DOWN IN BLACK AND WHITE FOR ANYONE TO READ…

    “The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.”
    — Quote from Caroll Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope, Chapter 19

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    ~Lord Acton

    The nescient and ignorant will be ruled over by authoritarian government because there never has been an ignorant and free populace. The price of ignorance and apathy is the freedom of your society – always has been and always will.

    “Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”
    ~Michael Rivero

    Anyone who thinks the middle class face-ripping and ruining Federal Reserve is stupid or arrogant is simply projecting. They are evil and malevolent. Now, it would truly be hubris on Janet Yellen’s part TO TELL THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH, but she won’t do that PRECISELY BECAUSE SHE DOESN’T HAVE THE WILL TO DO SO. She absolutely HATES ordinary people, which is why she’s murdering them via the installment plan of fraudulent debt-money induced poverty.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 10 2016 #26709
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Diablo, using The Matrix as an analogy, consider that there really is a Debt-Money Monopoly Matrix – a system of perception management and propaganda.
    I believe your frustration occurs because you don’t see that others are working inside the Debt-Money Monopolist (DMM) Matrix.
    For example, in the DMM Matrix, it is humane to let the world’s down and out over run your already bankrupt country to accelerate the destruction of your own country, BUT it IS NOT humane to question (and especially answer!) why so many people in the world are down and out!
    Nobody in the DMM Matrix ever discusses why, for example, Mexico is such an inhumane hell-hole that people risk their lives to flee it.

    The Answer: The Debt-Money Monopolists have pillaged Mexico through criminal fraud and corruption answerable only their flow of money into the country. Corruption is always about money. The purveyors of money CONTROL the corruption. As seychelles commented a few posts ago – duh!

    See the Debt-Money Matrix, Diablo, and it all makes sense. We live in a giant DMM financed echo chamber. And yes, they finance controlled alternate echo-chambers as well.
    Independent people outside the echo chamber are still often influenced by the DMM financed echo chambers and often repeat when they’ve heard – and no more.
    That’s why it is humane to open up the borders to the DMM refugees (and their terrorist proxy army, but that’s not part of the DMM Matrix (DM3)), but it wasn’t “humane” to call out the international war crime of funding al Qaeda to take out probably the most successful socialist country on planet Earth. And using those same terrorist resources to then attack Syria, international war crime style.
    Count the number of people killed by Hitler when he invaded Poland.

    Now count the number of people killed by the DMM vassal government funded and armed terrorist groups in the Middle East.
    Which body count is higher? Whose more evil based on body count (both being evil – it is almost always the case that evil fights evil in large scale conflicts)? But that kind of empirical analysis isn’t “humane” and isn’t welcome in the DM3.

    Oh, and here is the Council on Foreign Relations promoting al Qaeda as a “goodie!”
    Al-Qaeda’s Specter in Syria
    Author: Ed Husain, Adjunct Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies
    August 6, 2012
    https://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

    Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8391632/Libya-the-West-and-al-Qaeda-on-the-same-side.html

    BTW, The DMM are masters at disguising evil as good. JP Morgan said that every man had two reasons to do something: the good reason and the real reason.
    Regarding open ended immigration into bankrupt countries, the good reason is to be nice (as though sticking one’s head up into dark places and ignoring the root cause was actually “nice” instead of wickedly evil and profoundly stupid beyond measure), the real reason is must derived through data and logic since the DMM criminal cabal isn’t telling us the details of their demonic plans for ordinary people. But we do know that accelerating the financial and economic demise of the Western countries is part of the agenda. That’s a key reason for endless war – Sun Tzu knew back in the day that endless war automatically ended in national bankruptcy. Promoting division to facilitate the conquering of all ordinary people is also an agenda – and has been of the ruling classes since Ancient Rome. I’ve been waiting for the DMM to scapegoat a group and to create what I call a “correlating crisis” that will act to conceal the mathematical asset stripping machinations of their genocidal debt-money systems. It all fits… but they probably have more wickedness in the pipeline.

    PS – I wholeheartedly support immigrants with my life, if need be, BY ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSE. I’m not racist. A true racist would do nothing to help end the oppression in Mexico where brown skinned people are oppressed by debt-money povery! That and people in the DM3 perception management system. I want to free Mexico, and all people, of Debt-Money Tyranny. But the DMM and their army of well-meaning but misdirected masses make that impossible as of now.

    Take the story of Jesus and the Money Changers. What did He do? He kicked the Money Changers’ rear ends and freed ordinary people from tyranny, at least on that small scale.

    What did Jesus NOT do? He didn’t IGNORE AND ENABLE THE MONEY CHANGERS, go to everyone else and call them racists for not helping the people who were having their faces ripped off by criminals out of their own meager resources.

    What does the DM3 programming say to do?

    THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 9 2016 #26708
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    seychelles, why do you ask me a question and then mock the answer? Did you ask as some kind of test? If so, I’ll take it I passed based on your response.
    Cutting off tree branches that regrow (with debt-money financing, of course!) is to miss the point.
    To identify the ROOT CAUSE in public at every opportunity is the first step to eliminating it. Of course, the ROOT CAUSE, the Wizard of Oz, for example, designed the system such that the masses would focus on the curtain and not the ROOT CAUSE.
    My original criticism still stands – you are NOT focusing you energy on the ROOT CAUSE, you are focusing it on their “Revolving Door Rhetoricians,” which is exactly where the ROOT CAUSE would have everyone focus! That’s quite the psy-ops – to get people to fight for the psy-op that is destroying their society from their pocket book out.

    Imagine the internet with everyone posting comments like mine – the Debt-Money Monopolists are exposed as the arch-criminals and their 5th grade math level fraud mechanism of money creation usury exposed in simple terms.*

    Now imagine the internet full of people complaining about politicians. Oh, that’s right, we have that already – how’s THAT solution working out for you, seychelles? Not very well… you’ve thrown the Machiavellian Br’er Rabbit into the briar patch of his choosing.

    Imagine people beginning to feel dumb in their peer group BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THE FRAUD OF DEBT BASED MONEY! People would learn then. But that won’t happen because people REJECT the better way and simply do what everyone else is doing TO NO REAL EFFECT!

    *If I create $20 from nothing and it to you $20 at 5% interest, in one year you owe me $21 (your bill will say $21 due) due to double-entry bookkeeping adjustments that add $1 interest LIABILITY to your balance sheet and $1 interest ASSET to my balance sheet.

    To sum up, after one year, you have $20, you owe me $21, AND I CONTROL THE $1 YOU NEED TO PAY ME BACK… AND YOUR FUTURE IS THE COLLATERAL, WHICH I TAKE FROM YOU WHEN YOU CAN’T PAY ME BACK $1.00 (even if I choose to let you earn $0.99 and you use it to pay me back!).

    Do you see the inherent fraud? How does anyone learn the inherent fraud of the monetary system when people complain about politicians… when the next batch will lie to the politically moronic population AND ENFORCE THE EXACT SAME SYSTEM OF GLOBAL FRAUD?

    If you have a better way, do share it. I have other ideas to, and an educated and caring public is a cornerstone of any effort to overthrow these Debt-Money Tyrants.

    Carrol Quigley discussed the purpose of the Debt-Money Monopolists politician psy-op in Tragedy and Hope…

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

    Complain all you want about the revolving “rascals” who work for the wolf. My efforts are on the wolf, which has the blood of billions on their teeth.

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26707
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>I very much appreciate your reply. An admission of error is a rare thing indeed on the internet. Thanks.<<

    My fundamental value system is to appreciate facts that expose errors in my belief system more than any other kind of facts. Why? Because realizing the data and logic show one to be wrong in their current belief system IS THE ONLY WAY to better align one’s belief system with reality.
    Admitting errors, even the entrenched ones, is the ONLY WAY way our of this prison for our minds.
    Ego and vanity work all too closely together to convince ourselves of the lie that our perceptions ARE reality. They are not. I question myself constantly. I appreciate thinking people who question me as well. Reverse Engineer mocked my neologism “debt-dollar” because, as he correctly noted, dollars are just one form of debt-money. RE’s criticism was given in a way that I found to be a bit rude and condescending, but it was true and that was all that mattered. The change was made and the identity of the true demonic world rulers was made very clear in the term Debt-Money Monopolist.

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26706
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>I very much appreciate your reply. An admission of error is a rare thing indeed on the internet. Thanks.<<

    My fundamental value system is to appreciate facts that expose errors in my belief system more than any other kind of facts. Why? Because realizing the data and logic show one to be wrong in their current belief system IS THE ONLY WAY to better align one’s belief system with reality.
    Admitting errors, even the entrenched ones, is the ONLY WAY way our of this prison for our minds.
    Ego and vanity work all too closely together to convince ourselves of the lie that our perceptions ARE reality. They are not. I question myself constantly. I appreciate thinking people who question me as well. Reverse Engineer mocked my neologism “debt-dollar” because, as he correctly noted, dollars are just one form of debt-money. While not as smooth, I changed it to debt-money and ended up with The Debt-Money Monopoly run by the Debt Money Monopolists. RE’s criticism was given quite curmudgeonly, but it was true and that was all that mattered.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 9 2016 #26665
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    seychelles, I don’t dispute that these henchmen have culpability for what they do, but I do dispute that they independently determine what they do.
    The Debt-Money Monopolists are responsible for 100s of millions of deaths and the human degradation of billions of people over the last 100 years, so they don’t advertise themselves by name. Would you? Can I name the three people who benefit the most from American Express profits? No. Does that mean those three people don’t exist? No. They absolutely exist.
    The Debt-Money Monopolists are the people who ultimately control the debt-based monetary system in which the world lives – except for those countries currently being bombed so that a debt-money central bank can be set up or are on a short list to be bombed so that a debt-money central bank can be set up. As an aside, how many countries has the West attacked that had a debt-money central bank flowing from the BIS? How many countries as the Western vassal governments attacked to set up a central bank? Not many people think along those straightforward lines.
    But, just because I don’t definitively know the answer to your question, I can offer some insight as to who is very powerful in this system, and perhaps even the members of the Big Three. The Rothschild banking family. The European Royalty. Usually the Rockefellers fit in here, too, but I have a suspicion that the Rockefellers are basically employees of the aforementioned groups. Delineating family lines becomes more difficult with intermarriage and the like. If you want to definitively know who works for the Debt-Money Monopoly, research the creation of the debt-money Federal Reserve System at Jekyll Island.
    This is a good place to start:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 9 2016 #26657
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>Erdogan and the EU’s two top officials, Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk
    Three cannibals discussing what they’re going to have for breakfast.<<

    Three errand boys acting as intermediaries to deliver a special ordered breakfast to the Debt-Money Monopolists.

    We have to stop looking at clerks as though they have the real power. They are the curtain. “Oz” is the real power… and you can’t talk about what is BEHIND THE CURTAIN if you obsess on the curtain itself. BTW, that’s why the Debt-Money Monopolists put up the political curtain in the first place – to confuse the masses! Let’s not help them with that objective.

    “He thinks a lot… about words…” 4th grader comment about Socrates after reading a biography on him.

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26604
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Arnold, I used thefreedictionary.com as a source.
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/pogrom
    I would agree that most wouldn’t consider that a definitive source.
    I happen to have a MW New 3rd International Dictionary – the standard for Spelling Bees across the United States. It does not contain “persecution,” in the sense that it would apply to what I want to happen to the DMM. As I admitted previously, it wasn’t a good “bridge” between the thoughts. It also wasn’t fair to over generalize about your overall “majoring” status based on a single post – so my bad.
    From MW 3rd…
    po – according to
    grom – lightning

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26574
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Arnold, the word pogrom also includes persecution, which you omitted. And yes, I’m calling for a righteous “persecution” of the Debt-Money Monopolist via a court system that would punish them for their crimes, not due to some irrational prejudice.
    Using “pogrom” to link the article context to the point I was making wasn’t a very good match – point taken.
    It seems you are majoring in the minors, worried about an ice cube in your drink after the Titanic hit the iceberg. The iceberg is a much bigger issue.

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26573
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi rapier, what makes you think a modern system of scale that isn’t authoritarian and fascist in nature even exists? When I quote people, my support only extends to the insight included in the quote itself. I quote the Native America mass killer Andrew Jackson when he railed against the Debt-Money Monopolists, but I don’t support his genocidal efforts. I quote Napoleon as he succinctly elucidated the fact Debt-Money Monopolists run governments and not the other way around. I do not support Napoleon’s authoritarian views.
    Debt-Money Tyranny is working fantastically – from the Debt-Money Monopolist perspective.
    Humans did not create debt money systems as “humans” can’t create. Individual create and this system was created by the Debt-Money Monopolists behind the backs of everyone else.
    The ultimate point is that the same system that Trojan Horsed blankets with small pox and who ran drugs into China to destabilize that country is gaining ever more “in-your-face” authoritarian control over the masses.
    Fighting this system one person at a time while withholding the root cause from the discussion is paramount to extinguishing a match in Hell (the Platonic version).

    in reply to: Get Ready. For The Pogrom. #26564
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The “pogrom” needs to be about bringing the Debt-Money Monopolists into court to face justice for their genocidal debt-money impoverishment leading to 10s of millions of people being murdered through starvation.
    The DMM is orchestrating this “clash of civilization,” which has been predicted by some for over 2 decades, in order to deflect anger from their Debt-Money Tyranny system that must systematically asset strip the prey under its web.
    Poor people, even the al Qaeda proxy army funded and used by the Debt-Money Monopolist’s vassal government fronts to wage international war crimes in their stead, have no power to open up Western borders. But the Debt-Money Monopolists sure do – and they did.
    The very same people that sowed slaughter, mass rape, pillage and overall hell on Earth in the Middle East via their Western establishment proxies has now opened up the Western countries to the masses of people they spent so much energy terrorizing and weaponizing.
    The Debt-Money Monopolists are the root cause – and that’s precisely why discussing them isn’t considered, “intellectual.”
    “To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
    ― Kevin Alfred Strom
    There is a reason the Debt-Money Monopoly is never criticized on this blog or other blogs. Being in with the “cool kids” is more important to most people than telling the truth straight as an arrow.
    Even Steve Keen is a fraud. He was completely taken down and publicly shredded in the comments section. He ran away about as fast as he could do so. His lies and disinformation was illuminated in a most detailed fashion and his response was to “exit stage right” under the lie that his model wasn’t complex enough. What a phoney. But people tend to want phoneys.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#69b7d4346823

    Read the comments.
    Krugman is a total fraud who threatens careers in order to keep the fraud of debt-money from the people…

    “In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
    ― Ezra Pound

    What is The Automatic Earth doing to alleviate this modern day curse? Absolutely nothing.
    That should change. And yes, it will take courage.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 24 2016 #26360
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    seychelles, Eisenhower warned us in his farewell speech that true science would be captured by Debt-Money Monopolist operatives who would morph science into scientism… propaganda masquerading as science (I recommend searching it out and reading the whole thing… you can find the part I’m talking about by search “the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.”
    It is amazing what one can find throughout history when you what things are important – like WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY SYSTEM.

    in reply to: Why This Slump Has Legs #26267
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Arnold, say you are correct in your assessment and you were a psychopathic Debt-Money Monopolist oligarchy that rather likes manipulating ordinary people to their deaths.
    What would you do in order to prevent this collapse you see in the future?
    Would you depopulate the planet by stealth as recommended by the current “Science Czar?”
    Would you, perhaps, implement the sterilant vaccine that the Rockefeller Foundation was obsessed with creating back in 1968?

    For The Record: Rockefeller Soft Kill Depopulation Plans Exposed

    For The Record: Rockefeller Soft Kill Depopulation Plans Exposed

    in reply to: Why This Slump Has Legs #26253
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    And outside the Debt-Money Monopolist Big Lie Propaganda Bubble, the reason this slump has “legs” is due to the mechanics of prima facie debt-based monetary systems.
    Money is issued as debt such that the interest accrued by the lenders is, BY DEFINITION, inextinguishable debt to everyone else (that’s you and I… and even government).
    There are means by which the Debt-Money Monopolists can extend the debt-money confidence game, the key one being to create exponentially growing debt.
    Now you know the real reason why the Fed has an inflation target. You won’t find that truth in an economics book outside the Debt-Money Monopolist level.
    But all exponential debt growth curves must eventually fail. This one is long in the tooth, so the Debt-Money Monopolists have decided to control the ultimate demolition of Main Street and their vassal government front to bankrupt nearly everyone and to enshrine themselves as world controllers through various means.
    It’s all fraud, and those not strong enough mentally to handle the trauma of admitting the fraud and exposing it are the exact foundation on which this particular fraud is built.
    The Debt-Money Monopolists thank you for your cooperation.

    in reply to: CON21 #25623
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    If the Debt-Money Monopolist financed establishment is pushing an agenda, push all your chips in and bet “smoke and mirrors.”
    Nearly everything those instraspecific, genocidal parasites do fits into the following JP Morgan equation…
    “Every [Debt-Money Monopolist] man has two reasons for doing something: The good reason and the real reason.”
    For those who might a bit tired… if the good reason was the real reason, you wouldn’t need a second real reason… so the good reason is… “smoke and mirrors” to cover the for the real reason.

    in reply to: What Deflation Quacks Like #25482
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi All,
    The teeth of the Greatest Depression, for ordinary people, anyway, is just ahead. The Debt-Money Monopolists (DMM) have engineered it so that there is no way out and they are in control.
    The monetary system that rules the economy that ultimately pays your wage is a prima facie fraud. The DMM lends $20 into existence, but demand $21 (at 5% annually) be paid back in a year’s time, knowing full well that they earned the interest money and can bankrupt you at will by simply holding back access to the $1 interest they earned – the “balance” to your $1 of interest debt.
    This is why they must inflate and a steady state economy is **impossible**. Debt-money system have two modes… grow or die (go bust). If Main Street isn’t going (being fed more money by the DMM), then they fact they don’t have enough to pay their debts means many go bankrupt and the economy collapses. To hide this fraudulent dynamic, the DMM created “the business cycle” as a euphemism to cover their criminal societal asset stripping bubble bust operations. They then teach students they are “smart” because they know about the “business cycle” and everyone buys into it.
    This is war, people. Lord Acton nailed it to a “T” over a Century ago…

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    Lord Acton

    You are under attack. Black people are under attack. White people are under attack. Muslims are under attack, Christians are under attack. All ordinary people are under savage attack by a ruthless Debt-Money Monopolist class – THE REAL PRIVILEGE IS DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLIST PRIVILEGE – that is, frankly, much smarter and much more cunning the average ordinary citizen, a class of people that some claim they call “the dead.”
    But the savage attack is the Fabian Socialist, Art of War type of attack. It is based on lies and deception. It is based on exploiting, controlling and manipulating.
    Ultimately, its generator is the ability of a private Machiavellian cabal to define and control the issuance of debt-money that systematically enriches themselves while it systematically impoverishes the nescient and ignorant masses.

    They are ignorant because people like Paul Krugman and Steve Keen hide this traitorous criminal operation from the masses…

    Paul Krugman warning against exposing the debt-money fraud…

    Here is Steve Keen caught covering up the Banksters criminal operation when commenters exposed it such that a grade schooler could comprehend it…

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/

    Read the comments and watch Debt-Money Monopolist financed Steve Keen get destroyed as he tried to run interference for the Debt-Money Monopolist oligarchs that have OFFSHORED TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT STEVE KEEN LIED AND SAID MUST ALWAYS CIRCULATE IN THE ECONOMY (because the fraud is exposed when the debt-money credits (money) are removed from the system while the debt-money debts (balancing liabilities) are left to burn a hole through ordinary people)

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/23/super-rich-hide-21-trillion-offshore-study-says/

    Why did Steve Keen lie about this in such a tortured manner? My guess is he’s sold out for his job security – his part in all this controlled opposition and he is like Krugman and his Krugman’s MIT professors that warned Krugman to shut up about the monetary system – bought and paid for Judas traitors.

    Resources…

    We live in a Debt-Money Monopolist fascist system… a proverbial monetary steel fist in a velvet glove. If you think you are free, then try to exert that freedom by taking control of the money system. You will end up dead well before you are given freedom over the monetary system.
    And the glove is being taken off as the oligarchs are setting the stage for their Final Act…
    They want to steal everything from everyone. They are taking inventory of Greek homes to see what they can steal in their beta test of wholesale looting the Western world. And they want to confuse and misdirect your anger as they do it. And it will work – because the media, just like Paul Krugman, WON’T TALK ABOUT THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLIST FASCIST SYSTEM that rules over us with an iron monetary “fist.”

    “If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in
    circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
    by: Robert Hemphill, Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.
    Source: In the foreword to a book by Irving Fisher, entitled 100% Money (1935)

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ― Napoléon Bonaparte

    in reply to: Greece Is A Nation Under Occupation #25429
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks [owned by the Debt-Money Monopolists].”
    ~Lord Acton

    >>Perhaps the best way to show what a mess Europe is in is the €3 billion deal they made with Turkey head Erdogan, only to see him being unmasked by EU archenemy Vlad Putin as a major supporter, financial and who knows how else, of the very group everyone’s so eager to bomb the heebees out after Paris. It could hardly have been more fitting. That’s not egg on your face, that’s face on your egg.<<
    They don’t care – they have nothing but disdain for ordinary people. They serve the Debt-Money Monopolists who finance the governments of Europe.
    The borrower, sir, is SERVANT to the lender.
    Everything that is happening is benefiting the oligarch control and asset stripping structure except one thing – ordinary citizens waking up to the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist Oligarchy.
    Even then, they have the jump on us with their police / surveillance state erected to protect the oligarchs from the rabble once the Debt-Star becomes fully active and implodes the economies of ordinary people ACROSS THE GLOBE.
    The Debt-Star is actually a neutron bomb-like version of the Star Wars Death Star… why blow a planet up when you can dupe the suckers on the planet into inextinguishable debt through fraudulent debt-based money and then asset strip them such that the robbed feel like they were the bad people?
    Where is your article exposing the Debt-Money Monopoly as THE SOVEREIGN entity that controls politicians via their mechanism to finance them and promote them on their [pinky to the side of the mouth, now] beeeelyun dollar Bankster Propaganda Complex knows and the main stream media?
    Stop blaming politicians – they have to do what they are told. That’s why they sign up. If one person won’t do it, there are 50 waiting in line to say “yes, sir” to whatever the Debt-Money Monopolists instruct them to do via their lobbying apparatus.
    Brussels is nothing more than a powerless vassal entity.
    Placing blame on them ONLY HIDES THE TRUE CULPRITS FROM VIEW.
    WHO engineered and financed the EU – which is equivalent to asking WHO CONTROLS THE EU BUREAUCRACY? The very same Debt-Money Monopolists.
    One criminal syndicate to run all the large scale criminal syndicates.
    State Constitutions? How anachronistic, Ilargi. Really? The Debt-Money Monopolists don’t want their agenda to be hindered by any Plebians at the nation state level – so Constitutions are given lip service while the Debt-Money Monopolists basically wholesale ignore them.
    >>But neither Britain nor Denmark not any other EU nation would vote to give up their sovereignty, their borders, their control over who enters and who leaves.<<
    It has already been usurped by the Debt-Money Monopolists. Nobody gives a crap about what punk citizens want… Debt-Money Monopolist political operatives “make it happen,” just as they are to do.
    >>Alexis Tsipras has made exactly that decision, however.<<
    The “socialist” that was going to protect ordinary Greeks from the Debt-Money Monopolist predators, right Ilargi? Remember that? NOT!
    Full spectrum dominance is the name of the game and, until people wake up to it, it will continue to rule the day. Got an alarm clock?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 21 2015 #25157
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Ilargi,
    Speaking to Merkel like she’s not completely controlled by the Debt-Money Monopolists that finance and promote her is a special form of insanity, albeit a very popular one promoted by the Debt-Money Monopolist media complex.
    The evil that Hitler has come to represent never went anywhere. Ask the 10s of millions of people in Africa who die annually in what is, for all practical purposes, an incarnation of Hitler’s ghettos, except at the nation state level. Go ahead, try and find a substantial difference between the two except for the lack of a need to fence the people in due to the size of the territory.
    I guess Hitler didn’t run weapons into his ghettos the way the Debt-Money Monopolists do into Africa.
    Check Netflix and Youtube to watch “A Film Unfinished” (Hitler’s ghetto) and “Empire in Africa” (Debt-Money Monopolist nation state ghettos) in order to really solidify exactly what you are comparing.
    Running interference for the root cause is to promote the effects of the root cause, no matter how much unwitting good intent exists.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 20 2015 #25040
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    BTW, I committed a linguistic “sin” in my original post that I see all the time and “cringe…”
    Monolithic “liberals” DO NOT exist. Individuals exist. Far too many of those individuals have fallen for the Debt-Money Monopolist “fascist in liberal clothing” mind programming, but not all. There are people who consider themselves modern day (Debt-Money Monopolist financed redefinition of the word) “liberal” who don’t support the the gun and the jail cell for all who dissent to their demands.
    Then there are classical (pre Debt-Money Monopolist financed redefinition of liberal) liberals who promote liberation of the mind and individuality as free from force, fraud, and coercion as possible.
    So every liberal, even modern day liberals, are not fascist in their orientation. But a whole bunch have been duped into being useful idiots for the Debt-Money Monopolist fascist system that only hurts ordinary people under the guise that the operatives they finance and promote into “power” (to do the bidding of their paymasters… go rogue get JFKed…) are simply “stupid.”
    No, anyone who believes that is either nescient or ignorant themselves.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 20 2015 #25039
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The prima facie fraud that is debt-based money, and the power it gives to certain Debt-Money Monopolist interests, is THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM in the world today.
    Ignoring THE ROOT CAUSE while addressing the effects of THE ROOT CAUSE is akin to obsessing over the chair layout on the USS Titanic.
    Yet, THE ROOT CAUSE, as simple as it is, is persona non grata on this website and almost all others.
    Anyone who considers themselves as a modern day liberal (who support using guns and jail cells to force others to do what makes them feel good inside) who doesn’t address THE ROOT CAUSE of the majority of world poverty in the first instance has been deceived… mostly by themselves via the mental virus that George Orwell called “crimestop.”

    crimestop – Orwell’s definition: “The faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. In short….protective stupidity.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 12 2015 #24347
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    This is the golden era of Debt-Money Monopolist central banks and the mega-banks that control them (ultimately the OWNERS of the mega banks control the whole thing… making the circle complete right back to the Debt-Money Monopolists).
    They are the political cover and enforcement arm of Debt-Money Tyranny, which is engineered to put people into inextinguishable debt (through “bonds” – don’t think that isn’t a random word applied to tying people down with inextinguishable debt… the oligarchs so love to mock their nescient or ignorant prey) and then systematically asset strip society based on their control over god-like mammon (or money, debt-money in this case).
    This is the most critical time in central bank history – can they keep the Muppets distracted as the Debt-Money Monopolists begin to sheer the sheep in earnest?
    Will the media continue to stand down and parrot the Fed’s false narrative as a counterfeit to the truth? We shall see…

    in reply to: How Bad Can This Get, And How Fast? #24210
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The controllers of the Federal Reserve control the most asset-money and the debt-paper.
    The false narrative is that the controllers of the Federal Reserve are going to decrease the wealth of **themselves** in order to bail out those they’ve criminally impoverished through a fraudulent debt-based monetary system.
    Let’s say the claims are 5x the actual wealth. The trick is for the Debt-Money Monopolists, the people who set-up and control the Federal Reserve System, to gain control over most of the assets by WIPING OUT THE EXCESS MUPPET CLAIMS ON SAID ASSETS.
    This is what they’ve done 100% of the time previously. They did it in Argentina. They did it in Germany after WWI. Sure, they teach you both those events were hyperinflations, BUT THEY WERE DEFLATIONS AND DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLIST ASSET STRIPPING OPERATIONS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLISTS THAT CONTROL THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
    To bet against the outcome that favors the controllers of the Federal Reserve with 0% historical implementation is not a rational bet.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 26 2015 #24117
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    I don’t see the EPA and Volkswagen as two independent entities. Both are financed and controlled by the Debt-Money Monopolists (DMM).
    The Debt-Money Monopolists allowed VW to lie to serve DMM interests.
    It now serves the interests of the DMM to out VW.
    The bubble-bust is baked into the cake when the bubble is blown… did the DMM use this to help weigh down a market they have now decided to drive lower?

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