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  • in reply to: Wealth Inequality Is Not A Problem, It’s A Symptom #16010
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    @Galacticsurfer,
    When you are trapped in a dream, no way out, all channels closed, doom crashing down upon you, you awaken, and it is as if it never happened.
    That’s the freedom, the freedom from total belief in this context.
    Within this context, what you say is certainly right.
    I seek that freedom, but I still work each day and do all that I can, and am helping 2 (youngish) relatives with strokes in hospitals this weekend.
    One will come home tomorrow.
    One might “go-home” tomorrow.
    Each has been able to experience some peace today.

    in reply to: Europe’s Fatal Flaw Laid Bare For All To See. Again. #15972
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    Antibodies work against Ebola virus.
    Zmapp is genetically copied antibodies from mice that survived Ebola virus.
    The DNA coding these antibodies is inserted into tobacco plants, making genetically modified tobacco plants, which produce copies of mouse antibodies against Ebola.
    These are purified and given to humans.
    When the antibodies attack the virus, it is common to get an acute crisis of fever as the immune system releases cytokines throughout the body. The blood vessels dilate, there may be circulatory compromise, loss of blood flow to vital organs, swelling, drop in blood pressure, etc.
    When antibiotics work against bacteria, a similar sign of success is the Jarisch Herxheimer reaction, which can be seen when Lyme Disease is treated, or syphilis…
    The problem with Zmapp, which is self evident, is that you cannot make it fast, or a lot.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 16 2014 #15963
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    @V.Arnold,
    We tried to get good stuff for the kids to watch, avoid crap, and no video games.
    They are good kids. The oldest will be a physician next May, her brother is an employed engineer since this summer. Second son is a veteran bike-mechanic, racer, and engineering student, and younger daughter has an associate’s in math, teaches study halls, and is working on her BA in math, with teaching certificate.
    Neverending Story was a regular at our house.
    Remember VHS?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 16 2014 #15928
    John Day
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    “The great nothing”; good reference to The Neverending Story”, a good kid’s movie.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2014 #15916
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    Here is the assertin, by a Liberian Professor of Plant Pathology, that Ebola and AIDS are bioweapons, and that Africans know it.
    this is not a new premise, at all. This is the best presentation I have seen of it. It is plausible. I cannot prove or disprove it. I present it for consideration. Our military is very interested in Ebola, and has funded a lot of research we know about in the past 12-13 years. They always do secret research, too. Red-team, Blue-team, is their way, offensive and defensive applications go together.
    https://www.zengardner.com/africans-know-ebola-aids-bio-weapons/
    The CDC is finally acting as if it considers aerosol spread of Ebola virus possible, even if not saying so, and is looking at all the passengers on the plane the latest infected nurse from Dallas just flew on. It’s about time they took this as seriously as Nigeria did.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/cdc-demands-132-passengers-flew-2nd-ebola-patient-report-testing

    in reply to: How To Blow Up OPEC In 3 Easy Steps #15878
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    in reply to: How To Blow Up OPEC In 3 Easy Steps #15868
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    Here is the best fit I’ve seen for the high transmission rate of Ebola virus in medical settings where there is good contact isolation, but not respiratory isolation.
    It does not rely on blaming the nurse.
    In the last 3 days of life the exponential growth of Ebola virus in people oozing blood from every opening has created trillions of little virions, which are small enough to be easily airborne under the right conditions.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-13/cidrap-we-believe-there-scientific-evidence-ebola-has-potential-be-airborne

    in reply to: George W. Bushmeat and the Economics of Ebola #15866
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    Hi Raleigh,
    The rats could go to another town, but they usually did so stowed away on carts or ships.
    The fleas went on the rats, but fleas can live free in a dormant state for months, too.
    There is not, I think, one solution, but all of us must face this in every way that we can.
    I think that includes all of what is being tried, being suggested, has been helpful and is not yet discovered.
    I think it’s already bigger than any one solution, and it won’t burn out easily from here. There will remain embers, and just like bubonic plague, it can jump up a level and get even worse.

    in reply to: George W. Bushmeat and the Economics of Ebola #15845
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    Bubonic Plague adapted by mutation to Pneumonic plague, spread through the air to the lungs. That could never happen again…
    Meanwhile global financial war games are ongoing in Washington.
    https://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-british-regulators-test-readiness-for-big-bank-failure-1412978403

    in reply to: George W. Bushmeat and the Economics of Ebola #15843
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    Cuba is punching way above her weight class again, providing the largest medical contingent to Sierra Leone.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/12/cuba-leads-fights-against-ebola-africa
    I do believe that fighting Ebola where there is the most of it is necessary.
    It is still growing exponentially in West Africa, and we are a connected world.
    The numbers are still relatively small compared to what they will be in 6 weeks, 4 times as many.
    What is happening is that isolation is not working this time, as it did not work with any global pandemic. It helps on a personal scale, but there are so many little failures, and so much variability, that we can all find cases to support any viewpoint.
    I really think we have to see this as OUR problem.
    We are all the same to this virus, no matter where it came from, which is not known this time around.
    Again, this virus behaves differently from all prior human Ebola virus outbreaks.
    It spreads far more effectively, somehow…

    in reply to: George W. Bushmeat and the Economics of Ebola #15831
    John Day
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    Nigeria got Ebola in Lagos, a vast city, and responded immediately, sending 18,500 contact tracers out into the streets, alleys and doorways, finding anybody who had touched anybody who might have had Ebola.
    The Nigerian elites are known for corruption, thumb twiddling and serving their own interests first and foremost.
    This was a spirited and unfettered case of the latter.
    Good work (this time)!
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/12/ebola-texas_n_5972246.html
    Personally, I’m more than suspicious of the foregone conclusion that anybody who catches Ebola, while wearing protective gear, “breached protocol”.
    What it looks like, is that people who care for those dying of Ebola are at very high risk of getting it no matter what they wear, no matter how careful they are, short of respiratory isolation, which doesn’t seem to have been studied…yet.
    We know a bunch of chimps seemed to spread it between separated cages a decade ago, and had to be put down, when spread could not be stopped, but that’s a different primate. That’s not applicable here.
    Nurse’s fault, same as usual.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2014 #15804
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    Dmitry Orlov has “Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse”.
    Financial collapse is Stage One…
    https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-and-five-stages-of-collapse.html
    I think it starts Monday.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2014 #15802
    John Day
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    Financial war games on Columbus Day, a US bank holiday, but not globally, suggest the probability of financial WW-3, the “Columbus Day War”.
    War games corresponded to 9/11/01, and the London Bombings in 2005, but were not mentioned by mainstream media.
    We have seen the end of inflationary control, and deflation will be harsh, sudden and inescapable, unless you saw the 666 signal in S&P Futures on Thursday.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-09/did-todays-satan-signal-sp-futures-give-all-clear-selling-begin

    in reply to: US Shale And The Slippery Slopes Of The Law #15799
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    John Michael Greer, the Archdruid, has a look at the breakdown phase of empire, as the complex class structure, too expensive to support, breaks down, and sophisticated elites are replaced by unsophisticated warlord/gangster types.
    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-10-10/dark-age-america-the-collapse-of-political-complexity
    “Clerisy class” takes a hit here.

    in reply to: The Contractionary Vortex Of The Lumpen Proletariat #15768
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    Ambrose is the more worthy target.
    Krugman is too lame, and gets shot up regularly at ZH, anyway.

    in reply to: The Contractionary Vortex Of The Lumpen Proletariat #15766
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    Raleigh,
    The “inside” and “outside” of “self”, when considering consciousness can be really slippery.
    There is ESP.
    What is “inside” or “outside” of “self”.
    Shamanism and spiritual disciplines explore this.
    It’s an exploration, more than an explanation, unintelligible to the non-seeker, eh?
    🙂 John

    in reply to: The Contractionary Vortex Of The Lumpen Proletariat #15746
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    Ebola Pandemic and Global Economic Reset will cohabitate.
    It’s not even speculation any more…
    “Discuss amongst yourselves”

    Now for something completely different, the proposition that modern humans were created through the discovery of hallucinogens 40,000 years ago, and that the current ban on shamanistic practice with these is leaving us at the mercy of rationality, which has no mercy, and no vision.
    A Banned TED TALK, really: “The War on Consciousness”

    My own life was changed in a “Purification Sweat” April 1994 on the Navajo Res. in Arizona.
    Thanks, Paul Tohlakai.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2014 #15685
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    in reply to: Germany’s Bad Numbers Are Great News For All Of Us #15676
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    Ilargi,
    I am hopeful that Germany will act rationally.
    Germany has the capacity to act rationally.
    I like Germany. Germans are a mainly no-bullshit kind of people.
    🙂

    in reply to: Germany’s Bad Numbers Are Great News For All Of Us #15675
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    Here is the best article I have found discussing the real knowns and unknowns of Ebola transmission, particularly among primates. A lot of chimps had to be euthanized because they were getting Ebola virus from each other in separate cages of a research facility. It appeared to be aerosol transmission.
    The CDC is breaking ranks between the scientists and politicians here. It’s important.
    I defer to those interviewed here. They have direct knowledge.
    https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page=1

    in reply to: Germany’s Bad Numbers Are Great News For All Of Us #15672
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    The US Army is putting up a concertina wire perimeter and building a field-hospital in Liberia, experiencing weather and equipment-failure delays.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782856/Is-fence-people-patients-U-S-troops-set-Ebola-field-hospital-Liberia-start-barbed-wire-perimeter.html
    Also in this article is information about the cameraman with Ebola. Ashoka Mukpo is the “son” of Chogyam Trungpa, who made a big impact in the West, bringing in Tibetan Buddhism, linked to sex, drugs, rock and roll.
    Scroll down for lots of pics of “Trungpa Rinpoche”. Ashoka’s “real dad”, still alive, is a physician whose heart sank when he heard his son tell of the fever.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2014 #15670
    John Day
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    Hi Ilargi,
    I don’t see how the 15 year mortgage is a bad deal, unless something is misrepresented here.
    The interest rate starts low, and is reduced by 0.5% for every 1% of purchase price put into down-payment.
    This is not pre-payment of interest, as portrayed here, but interest forbearance, which must be paid by some entity, likely governmental.
    This makes sense if such entity wants to increase prices in the lower end of the housing market, while the Chinese billionaires are losing interest.
    It is sure easy for news stories to misrepresent the actual situation.
    It could be a trap.

    in reply to: Germany’s Bad Numbers Are Great News For All Of Us #15668
    John Day
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    Thanks Raleigh,
    I put in a lot of responses on yesterday’s post, pretty late, I know, and I tried to break them into topics. The link to the graph of time from exposure to symptoms is very useful. About 90% are symptomatic by 10 days.
    What is very interesting is the novel twists that viruses can take.
    Hantavirus is a good example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus
    I worked in Chinle Az. from 1990-1992, and visited in 1993, when this weird pulmonary syndrome was killing Navajo people, and fast. I talked to my doctor friends at my hospital and the referral center.
    The case was not cracked until a Medicine Man was consulted, and he said, “The mice are thirsty, they are going to the houses”.
    Hantavirus, always transmitted through rodent excrement in Asia, was discovered to be excreted in the urine of thirsty mice, who were going to houses to find water in the drought. Their urine dried, aerosolized and was inhaled, suddenly killing people as their lungs became inflamed and filled with fluid.
    I’ve had 28 years as a doctor, and in a lot of different settings, and I NEVER think I know all the details.
    None of us should think we know about this strain of Ebola until we have a good answer about what happened in Madrid, with transmission in a very carefully prepared (not respiratory isolation, though) hospital.

    in reply to: The Imminent Demise Of The American Economy #15666
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    Whether “Ebola” can be transmitted as an aerosol is really an open question, based upon conditions. “Ebola” is not one virus, but this new strain behaves very differently from prior strains. Aerosol transmission between sick piglets in a cage and chimps in a separate cage across the room has been demonstrated.Even without the droplet nuclei of a sneeze, aerosolized particles are created in everyday life. This article about “government lies”, by a Criminology Prof. has a lot of good details about aerosolized viruses. https://www.globalresearch.ca/ebola-outbreak-the-latest-u-s-government-lies/5405584
    It also contains the seldom mentioned information that this virus has no direct antecedents, and regression analysis of the mutation rate points to a first human contact in December 2013. This virus has covered a lot of ground since then, unlike all other Ebolas. Doubling every 3 weeks (hypothetical) means it will infect 8 billion people next June. Of course there are limits…
    So, Sumac.Carol, I don’t believe that there is an excess of fear about this.
    My independent medical analysis is that this is a direct threat to every human. Exponential growth is not something we are wired to understand, except through studied rational processes.
    I do agree with the CDC that America (and everybody) remains threatened, as long as this virus persists in Africa.
    Donating to Doctors Without Borders is the best form of self-protection that I can see right now.

    in reply to: The Imminent Demise Of The American Economy #15665
    John Day
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    I’m going to keep these replies bite sized.
    Raleigh,
    Yes, I agree that the response in Dallas has been an embarrassment, and with poorly reasoned snap responses.
    Putting a bunch of people in an apartment without food, not all even directly related, and stationing ungowned cops outside, was a Dallas Police Department level of professionalism (ie, low).
    The self-quarantined people in Dallas have clearly been directly and repeatedly exposed to an active Ebola patient and his bodily secretions. God bless them for their responsibility.
    Diablo,
    Having clean-up workers with their isolation gowns rolled to their elbows (photo on Zero Hedge) and a guy on the sidewalk in street clothes pressure spraying Ebola vomit onto a pedestrian in sandals (also ZH photo) was par for that course. Vaccines don’t always work, and they take a lot of time to ramp up. Flu vaccine is big business, and probably a bit less effective than taking 2000-5000 units of vitamin D daily (adult dose interpolated from 1200 U/d pediatric dose in 2009 Japanese study). I was a (healthy) volunteer for an AIDS vaccine study over a decade ago. Still no AIDS vaccine…

    I do not know how the initial snap judgement was made about who to quarantine and who to let run free was made, but it was clearly made before collecting enough information.
    that’s understandable. Why was it not revised? There are so many errors here.
    Now the quarantined group has been moved to a house in a gated community, where they are not open to such embarrassing scrutiny.

    in reply to: The Imminent Demise Of The American Economy #15664
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    That graph link seems to work.
    About 90% of people are symptomatic within 10 days of exposure. 21 days is something like 5 standard deviations from the mean, by the looks of things.
    3TC/Lamivudine , TKM-Ebola and brincidofovir, which is being used in Dallas, on Thomas Duncan, all take the place of a nucleotide in a DNA or RNA chain, which is like a zipper, and one side allows the other side of the zipper to form, then separate, then it all happens again.
    These drugs mess up the zipper function, so the viral RNA or DNA (Ebola is RNA) can’t replicate, or replicates with big warts and has the wrong shape to work.

    in reply to: The Imminent Demise Of The American Economy #15663
    John Day
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    Hi Raleigh, I’ve now looked at and replied to your post from yesterday. Back when this was “blogspot” I got e-notifications of replies. Not now. I would appreciate it if you would look at what I answered there. This link should go to a graph of presentation of Ebola symptoms over time.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ufVgUj86eAg/VCtqvM1hQPI/AAAAAAAABA4/0MkpQD9HmGw/s1600/Ebola%2Bonset%2Bdistribution.JPG

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2014 #15662
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    Thanks Raleigh,
    I’ve now looked into that use of 3TC/Lamivudine, and it is similar to TKM-Ebola and this new one brincidofovir, that Thomas Eric Duncan is getting in Dallas. They all work by screwing up the RNA “zipper” that recreates RNA and DNA chains to trick host cells into manufacturing evil virions. My email is (without spaces) days abroad @ g mail . com

    in reply to: The Imminent Demise Of The American Economy #15637
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    A Spanish nurse in Madrid, who helped care for a Spanish priest with Ebola, entered his room twice. He died September 25. She has now been diagnosed with Ebola, and has a high fever. That puts an end to the proposition that Ebola is “hard to catch”. This Ebola epidemic is of different character than all prior outbreaks.
    There are statements that it is not transmitted through airborne aerosols, but they are not proven at all. Aerosol transmission is the explanation which fits best with the information about this gowned, masked, goggled and gloved nurse catching Ebola.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-06/spanish-ebola-infected-nurse-first-case-contagion-out-africa-salzburg-activates-ebol
    How long until this gets rationally discussed in the mass media?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2014 #15607
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    Hi Guys,
    I’d like to put in an Ebola update, with some interesting medical treatments and public health considerations, but it doesn’t seem to be working out.
    The military has an IV treatment that is a broad spectrum antiviral, but the therapeutic range is in the same ballpark as the toxic range, and all we get is mouse data. Anti-estrogens seem to be pretty good, have been around for decades, and could probably ramp up faster than most of the other things. TKM-Ebola is still the front-runner as far as I can see, and I suspect they have been looking hard at mass production since March.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2014 #15564
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    Good work, Raleigh!

    John Day
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    And who in this world shall own what in this world, after the plague?
    😮
    It’s a real question, and I don’t think anything but time can answer it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Oct 1 2014: Europe Is Crumbling Into Collapse #15485
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    @ Raleigh,
    Yes, I think this Ebola epidemic, doubling numbers of cases and deaths every 3 weeks, is a really big deal, and it is a crisis, which I don’t expect to be “wasted”.
    We are well past the point of real economy, where exponential growth of debt-based money can be supported by anything other than smoke, mirrors and bubbles.
    The financial elites know this.
    The reset will involve a really big crisis, and wars are riskier when they get THAT big. Also, there is no resource cornucopia to claim after the war.
    Ebola, as a wave of pestilence akin to the “Black Death”, can come from everybody’s blind spot, but still hold a fear, which lies deep in our genes.
    Who could foresee the bank burning down with all those people in it?
    Just be glad you made it out alive.
    Nobody changes power-structure in a plague, or a fire.
    The power structure remains intact through the transition.
    Fire is risky, nonetheless.
    Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” considers it the most powerful and unreliable form of attack.
    Maybe I’m playing fast and loose with my analogies, but all year there have been hints of WW-3 from this, or great threats from that, or beheadings on TV.
    I think pestilence just took a big lead in the race to be THE crisis for the biggest economic reset ever.
    It’s growing exponentially, so you can tell if I’m right or wrong pretty soon on the time axis.
    I’d guess before Christmas, but certainly before April Fool’s Day.
    Here is something really good about Ebola in this “age of overshoot”, by Mary Odum, an RN and ecologist and seriously analytical human being.

    Uncharted Territory for a System in Overshoot

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Sep 30 2014: Why The Fed WILL Raise Rates #15447
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    Ebola Shot JR in Dallas today.
    The traveler from West Africa, visiting family, was sick out-of-hospital from 9/26 to 9/28, it seems.
    I expect that a lot of emergency measures will be put in place by the end of the year.
    (Hopefully less severe than in sierra Leone, but the framework is in place)
    This may be worse for the economic status quo than Lehman, eh?
    The power structure won’t let this crisis go to waste.
    Certainly worse than a cold winter…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Sep 26 2014: Can Money Save The Climate? #15366
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    @ Jeff Jelton and Variable81
    “Pursue truth, not money” works.
    Wherever your heart lies, will be your treasure also…
    We all work in various contexts, and allocate energy and resources to what seems most worthy.
    We pursue what we see as most important, and deal with the rest as is necessary/practical.
    The last new car we bought was a minivan in 2008, when the kids were little.
    13 year old Toyota Corollas in good condition are what we look for, now.

    We have to engage with all the valid points being made about capitalism, and high-energy lifestyle, and our own responsibilities and options. It’s like sorting through drawers when you move. It’s 100 times slower than anticipated, because every little detail is magnified in consciousness, paralyzing us.
    We can move, but like digging up the rows in the garden, it takes soo much looonger than anticipated. Things that seemed clear a few years ago are vastly more complex and engaging than I thought, and take years full of seasons to figure out.
    We are actually effective on the scale of tending a garden, but it is so much more complex and engaging, because it is the scale we are really suited to.
    I got my Fall garden in before the cool snap and rains, here in central Texas.
    The plants are all happy. The magic is working. I’m engaged. The universe is helping.
    I have to do the work, but the plants grow.

    John Day
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    @ Raleigh and V. Arnold,
    Thank you for understanding my intention in writing this essay.
    I continue to struggle with my compassion practice today, since it is not some abstraction of cruelty which faces me.
    Those consumed with this insatiable cruel hunger are very hard for me to even envision.
    Certainly, this leads to vast torment for them.
    I hope that I have been respectful and not done harm in this writing.
    It has certainly come from an anguished heart.

    John Day
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    I will present a hypothesis that our natural masters, the ruling/royal class, is a separate breed, with distinct and secret characteristics, which are identifiable, but not easily so.

    Agriculture began in the Mideast, Tigris-Euphrates valley about 7500 years ago. Before that, we were hunters and gatherers, and caught some fish, too.
    Before agriculture, everybody had to hunt and gather, though we can envision a few tool makers, or physician types in a group.
    Groups were fewer than 100-200, where group connections break down and lead to factionalism. We didn’t need much structure, and we didn’t need rulers, and those things were unaffordable, anyway.
    Some of the waves of human movement are described here, as they relate to Europeans, and Asians.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29213892

    Once agriculture, with surplus grain to store for several years, increased the size of our groups, and our stable connection to specific places (farms with water-sources), we needed more complex social organizations, to prevent a lot of small blood feuds from breaking us apart. Alcohol as a storage form of food probably contributed to the fights, killings and taking sides.
    In stable feudal societies, a minimum of 4 castes is needed: Farmers, Specialists of all types, from doctor and toolmaker, to trader, musician, weaver, thatcher, etc.
    Soldiers become necessary as one group discovers them, raids another group successfully, and all other groups adopt martial structures in defense.
    Warlords become necessary, as the capacity and proclivity to kill have to be governed by giving the right to kill to only one man. Nobody else gets to kill group members. (It reminds me of the “wisdom of Solomon”, as portrayed in the tale of the two women who both claimed a baby as their own. He ordered the baby cut in half, and half given to each of them. This had to be a believable response from King Solomon. It was his unquestioned prerogative.)

    The minimal 4 social groupings are what existed in Feudal Japan:
    https://shogun2.heavengames.com/articles/history/the-caste-system-of-feudal-japan/
    The Japanese of Samurai families carefully trace their lineage. Samurai Japanese are “a different breed”, and they look different from the peasants, and they have different drives and personalities. They specifically married for prowess in killing and ruling. They had to be cold, effective, strong, swift and smart. They had to be disciplined and rigid in the battle, not prone to break ranks, for certain death lay there.
    We know that half the men in Asia have Genghis Khan’s Y chromosome, which was a fairly recent mutation when Genghis got it, maybe a couple of generations old. It’s pretty prevalent outside of Asia, as well.
    We know that the ruling families of Europe carefully intermarried, but ruthlessly killed peasants and soldiers ruled/owned by those family members.
    There continues to be a lot of attention paid to these blood lines. There were only a very few women who Price Charles could marry to produce royal heirs. Princess Diana was the most obvious, and he had to await her coming of age. She produced heirs. She became embarrassing. She died in a car accident.

    Not all lines of power have been carried down through marriage. The Catholic Popes may have often had children, but not openly. They were absolutely as ruthless and instrumental in wielding war powers and carrying out genocides as any king, and in many cases, they ruled the kings and kingdoms, though they had to come to this apogee of power.
    We know that the Cathars, who self-referenced as “good people”, were a Christian sect, who did not recognize the power of the Catholic Pope, but said that he was head of a church that served the evil god, basically “Satan”.
    Here is a description of Cathar beliefs:
    https://www.cathar.info/1201_beliefs.htm
    Pope Innocent had the genocide of the Cathars carried out.
    “Kill them all, The Lord will recognize his own”, originated in that conflict against the vegetarian, pacifist Cathars, who were loved in their communities, and not turned-over by their neighbors. Their neighbors also died by the sword.

    We can see how the line of kings has been carried, and carefully selected for, and the ranks of “nobles”, fed into it, as a level of selection, but how has the line of Popes been selected?
    How do other elites bond together in ways to be more powerful than hereditary kings and nobles?
    What characteristics allow them to recognize each other, and how can they possibly keep from breaking ranks in battle, when they are not even in the same country? What can reliably bind them together in relentless, concerted action?

    In “The Prince”, Machiavelli looks at effective traits in a ruler, and observes that fear is more effective in assuring allegiance, than is love or admiration.
    Effective rulers quickly and openly eliminate anyone who doesn’t comply, or is even suspected of having different thoughts. Stalin was like that.
    Vlad the Impaler was a defender of the (Catholic) Christian faith, against the Ottoman Turks, and also delighted in the cruelest acts of torture, forcing mothers to cook and eat their children, husbands to eat their wife’s breasts, then torturing all to death. The number of impalements under his order may have been 100,000, and he decisively turned back or slaughtered massive Ottoman forces on multiple occasions. Many towns and cities were burned with all inhabitants. Acres and acres of impaled dead were his signature. He was a good Catholic of his era. (Prince Charles is his descendant.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

    I have not answered the questions I posed about how elites may recognize and rely upon other elites when far away.
    We can recognize how Vlad was set-apart in his effectiveness by his absolute thrill in killing, killing, killing.
    He was extremely effective in devising ways to kill massive numbers of people, cavalry or families.
    He used these horrors to make himself more effective against those who he horrified, much as the Texas Rangers did later, leaving crucified Mexicans along trails, or the Romans did previously, the same way.
    His love for, and talent at killing massive numbers of people, without tire, marks Vlad the Impaler as an absolute elite monarch, though he did profess loyalty to the Hungarian king and the Pope, which enabled him to hold and regain his desired position.
    He was betrayed by the Hungarian king, who had spent the money himself, which he had raised to fund Vlad’s wars, then blamed the loss on Vlad, who he imprisoned for awhile. This happened when Vlad was down-on-his-luck after some well funded sustained campaigns by forces of the Ottoman Sultan.

    So we can see what the talents of hereditary kings may be, and we see that they are not the masters of Popes, though Henry the 8th was far enough away to start his own church, and was seemingly cut from the same cloth.
    What breaks down here is the question of how these very cruel and selfish people might effectively work together at a great distance, and over time, without breaking ranks.
    Truly, they are much stronger if they do not break ranks, and this is an ancient conundrum for power elites.
    We see that royalty held certain customs, not killing other royalty, though they did very often betray each others’ interests, as in the case of the German Kaiser and his cousin the Russian Tsar, the “Willy-Nicky correspondence”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Willy%E2%80%93Nicky_Correspondence

    This brings us to the topic of Secret-Societies, which are truly ancient, and about which we have all heard rumors of the most disturbing sorts. The members of powerful secret societies seem to have held ranks, and therefore held power, effectively for at least hundreds of years, and were feared by the founding fathers, though some also held memberships in these elites, such as Freemasonry, which has many levels of membership.

    Modern politicians need not be trusted much by their financial masters if the masters hold information to end the political career of the politician. Assassination is always a back-up plan, but not generally necessary. Bill Clinton must have crossed somebody for the Monica Lewinsky scandal to come to fore, but he must have mended that fence, too. There was worse that could have come out, like his use of the Arkansas National Guard in the Nicaraguan drugs for arms for hostages deal, though he coordinated that with George HW Bush, so it’s not really fair-game. (Scroll to “Mena, Arkansas”)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

    To truly trust the other member of the evil-elites, does there need to be “honor among thieves”?
    Not if the membership in the secret society has severe enough tests, the passing of which mark a man (still mostly men) as somebody who is vile and revolting, as was Vlad the Impaler, or the Marquis de Sade.

    There is a membership test to pass, and it does not involve answering questions.
    Potential members enter the test facility secretly, not knowing what the test is, but knowing that they are driven to be members at the top echelons, having moved up through lower ranks, desiring the power and prerogative of the elites.

    It is very difficult for me to tell you the test, which is revealed below in a video interview with a Dutch woman, who was ritually raped and tortured as a child, mostly by adult men, including her father, uncle, grandfather, the family doctor and the town Vicar. She and her sister grew up in a family which practiced this, and were members of a community of practitioners of these ritual acts, including very high elites, one of whom is named in a setting worse than I have yet described. I will get to that later.
    In the test, this girl was stripped naked and manacled upon a table, while a metal speculum was put in her vagina by the doctor. She was stimulated to orgasm, as she had been many times before, always linked to torture and humiliation.
    The test subjects stood naked in this castle in the forest, watching this.
    One did not get an erection, and a trap door opened beneath him, dropping him into a deep pit, where he died.
    The second part of the test involved the other men penetrating his dead body rectally, necrophilia, also requiring an erection.
    The candidate who could not perform at this level was not killed.
    He got to have sex with the girl, but a special knife has been placed in her vagina, and it cut and disfigured his penis when he did so.
    This is the “test for freemasons”, which she most painfully describes, yet it is not the worst that Toos Nijenhuis has to tell.
    Her interview is here, and you can scroll to it, and see what she goes through to give this testimony.
    The written text (not her interview) about occult practices of the Jesuits and every Pope for the past 250 years includes secret Vatican documents, and testimony from more survivors. Both Pope Francis, and former (Nazi) Pope, Joseph Ratzinger are directly implicated in the most ghastly horrors by eyewitness-victims.
    https://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/eyewitnesses-testify-pope-francis-raped-and-killed-children-sealed-vatican-documents-expose-their-satanic-rituals-video/
    The International Tribunal Into Crimes of Church and State website is here https://itcs.org
    There are lots of entries with lots of testimony and there are lots of human remains, especially of children.
    To investigate a few of these stories:
    I did look into “Mass grave, Taum” to see about the 800 bodies of dead children hidden on the grounds of a Catholic Church home (prison) for unwed mothers and their children in Taum, Ireland, a town we rode through in 2005 on our family bike tour. The investigation of the mass grave is out there, but the newspapers are not looking this one step deeper.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/mother-behind-galway-childrens-mass-grave-story
    The Daily Kos posted the story of the 28 mass graves of Native American children in Canada, many at the Indian schools they were forced to attend. It is being treated as an act of genocide, and is not much noticed in major media after that, except by the ITCCS, which is very small and poor.
    https://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/15/496538/-28-Mass-graves-of-Indian-Children-in-Canada

    When one of these elites doesn’t “program” a long-term child victim adequately, nor murder the victim, and the victim goes public, the ring-member may be killed by other ring members. There is circumstantial evidence that this is how Nicole Kidman’s father, Dr Antony Kidman, a wealthy Australian Clinical Psychologist, just died in Singapore.. He had left Australia and his 43 year career, when his living victim, Fiona Barnet, made public accusations, and a criminal investigation was initiated. He died on “White Balloon Day”, an Australian day of remembrance for childhood victims of sexual assault.
    The horrors described by this long term victim, especially what she saw done to other children, mirror those in the other reports.
    https://worldtruth.tv/nicole-kidmans-father-dies-amid-pedophile-child-murder-ring-allegations/
    Here is how the UK media treated the story.
    Judge the many pictures of the deceased for yourself.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753136/Nicole-Kidman-s-father-killed-accident-Singapore.html

    I have been exhausted and deeply troubled yesterday and today, seeking how I might best present this horrific information about our earthly masters.
    Tom, Colleen, and Cat have provided the kernel of this news, and it has resonated with what has come to my knowledge since the 1970s in various ways. I specifically recall a profoundly disturbed young woman with multiple personalities, who I admitted to Big Spring State Hospital one weekend in 1988 or 1989, and got to see more of subsequently, as I worked further weekends as a weekend-doctor at that facility. Multiple personalities are sometimes a result, and sometimes a goal of ritual abuse of children.

    My current view of the situation in our world, and the actions of elites, slaughtering millions of humans again and again and again, are cast in a different light, when I see behavior which seems like a perverted quirk, may actually be a core feature of power elites, which enables them to treat other humans as a herd of animals, and can actually give them intense pleasure in culling the herd.
    The function of reducing human numbers has repeatedly been important since we became agriculturalists. We have grown large populations in good times, and needing a solution for the starving multitudes in years of sustained famine.
    We see that before the collapse of Mayan civilization, the cities were starving, and the rulers made war on other cities, capturing the people to cut their hearts out in sacrifice to the Sun God, to bring better harvests and rain.
    It was far removed from Europe, and a completely separately evolved agricultural society, but the herd-culling behavior of the ruling elites is chillingly similar.
    The games of death which entertained them are like the games in Rome.

    There is not a way to identify and kill all the people who bear these traits, is there?
    Only a bearer of those traits could excel at such a task, and would need helpers…
    What we see is that there are competing groups of elites, with similar traits.
    Vlad the Impaler fought for Christendom against the armies of the Moslem Sultan of the Ottoman Empire.

    If we look at connected groups of power elites, we see that the West includes countries bound by dollar-based economics and the American military/NATO/Israel. Tied in with this cabal are the oil producing monarchies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, and so on.
    China is a separate group of elites. The “Dragon Family” did not die out when the last emperor died. The “Dragon Family” is a going concern.
    Russia has oligarchs, as does Ukraine, but there is a disruption from the European royal linkages for the past 100 years. Russia is separate.
    Iran is separate, and has a different banking system, as well as an ancient culture.
    India, the richest country in the world 300 years ago, is in play, playing now with the American empire, and recently playing with the USSR, even starting to play with ancient rival, China.
    Other regions, such as South America are vassals, but would certainly change associations, if it could be painless.

    We are at a historical juncture with a vastly bigger human population than ever before, and the oil that fed us through mechanized agriculture is suddenly expensive.
    Monsanto owns the seeds and is destroying all other options as fast as possible. Somebody owns the water, and it is running out. Cargill owns the meat. Tyson owns the chickens.
    We see the wars being waged for control of oil, and gas, and economic control.
    Each of these corporations holds some aspect of what each of us requires to survive each day. They all hold powers of life and death over us.
    Each of them will act in selfish interest, every time.
    Corporate entities were designed to perform the functions of ruling elites, with as much of the same value system as can be openly revealed, and with no person standing accountable for the actions they take.
    They are patterned on the British East India Company, which gutted India, and scared the American colonists into revolution.

    The actions I can take myself are few and simple.
    I need to become less and less dependent upon massive corporations to feed me and those close to me, through the coming times.
    I’m growing a garden, learning to grow food, and what food I can grow and how much (little), and what that means we will still need. It’s a path that will take time.
    I bike commute, and I work in my garden, and that’s good for my body, but I definitely experience my (very modest) limitations.
    I still rely on Empire to enable my work as a doctor to the not-wealthy, which is a quirk of the current imperial workings.
    I remain embedded, as do my wife and children, in all the aspects of financialized economy: insurance, higher education, water, gas, electricity, taxes to fund wars, etc.
    I pray for enlightened awakening of all humans.
    Jesus said to “Love your enemies”, and he practiced that as he was horribly tortured to death, by people who probably relished the experience, and certainly taunted him.
    Now, knowing what I know, I am working on the opposite of selfishness and sadism.
    I want to be as good as the Cathars were.
    I now find my path through Buddhist practice, but I don’t think the specifics are nearly as important as the proper intention, and the rightness of the match between path and person.
    Finding a group of like minded seekers, who practice together, is a great help.
    Taking a step or two is a start, and then other stepping stones become visible.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Sep 19 2014: Scotland and the Spirit of Our Time #15281
    John Day
    Participant

    @ Raleigh
    Mark Twain is still the great American writer, and one of my teachers in life.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Sep 19 2014: Scotland and the Spirit of Our Time #15279
    John Day
    Participant

    War, Slippin’ Into Darkness:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSWW4O6QNM
    Rulers don’t “get” the Zeitgeist (spirit of the times), but it gets them.
    Zeitgeist gets everybody.
    We are all together in this deep perception/creation of our ongoing world.
    It’s a lot of perceptual change to embrace our togetherness, not our separation.
    Once we deeply embrace that knowledge, feeling compassion and fondness for all (even Draghi and Yellen) of our confused, clownish co-conspirators, then we can be of benefit.
    We can help co-create a more engaged, communal world awareness.
    No more us-vs-them “solutions”.

    John Day
    Participant

    Truthout has an excellent scholarly article, which looks at the stages between colonialism and genocide.
    In colonialism, something like slave-labor is needed from the underclass.
    In genocide, only their property is desired, not their bodies.
    Numerous instances are given by the university professor author.
    Colonialism in India was at one end, and genocide of Native Americans (ongoing in South America) at the other end.
    Palestinians have been getting run through this ringer, from one end to the other, and genocide is now becoming preferable to Israeli elites.
    Lots of labor can be brought in from other countries, and sent back at any time, as is being done.
    Humans are a commodity.
    https://truth-out.org/news/item/26254-the-political-economy-of-israeli-apartheid-and-the-specter-of-genocide

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