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“[…] Using this method, scientists can retool the vaccine easily when needed because all they have to do is switch out the old genetic “instructions” for a new set. (In January 2020, Moderna proved just how fast this can be: It designed its Covid-19 vaccine in one weekend!) The new instructions wouldn’t have to be all that different because delta’s spike protein is pretty similar to the ancestral coronavirus’s, despite some mutations. […]”
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22687728/delta-specific-booster-vaccine-covid
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Modern designed their vaccine in one weekend. Said like this was a good thing. You wanna take a vaccine, one made with experimental technology, that was cobbled together in one weekend?“Okay, that’s done.” Dusts hands off. “So what’re we going to do after supper?”
I would tell you what I think about this, but it would involve LOTS of really bad words said repeatedly for many paragraphs.
@ Ilargi;
“teri, you left out Joe Biden.”
Seriously, that’s what you got out of that?
I only mentioned the main culprits. I could have named a shit-ton of people. Hell, I could have named Glenn Greenwald, whose only objection to the R2P intervention was that there was no formalized nicety of a vote in Congress regarding the whole affair. He otherwise fully supported going in and celebrated the assassination of the “evil dictator despot Gaddafi”, who (Greenwald felt) had to be taken out one way or the other. Greenwald had a major influence on his fairly liberal audience and swayed a bunch of them into thinking that Libya was the “good war”. He was a big part of the malign media influence at the time.
In any case, and more to the point, at the time of the invasion Biden was one of only a few top US officials who recommended against going into Libya.
[Which does not translate into me being a Biden supporter, lest anyone start throwing that assumption out. He was right that time, though; maybe the only time he had a coherent thought in his head.]
@ Ilargi,
Thank you for posting the article about Libya.
Back when the US and France first decided to invade (“Responsibility to Protect” or R2P, they called their “kinetic action”), I was keeping an on-line blog. I could not stop myself from poring over the news and writing about what we were doing there almost daily. To say I was horrified is an gross understatement. It made my heart hurt. It still does.
Amnesty International France went to the UN and claimed that Gaddafi was feeding his soldiers Viagra so they would rape women. The UN agreed to the invasion “to protect civilians” and NATO formed a coalition to install a no-fly zone over Libya. They were going to bomb the Libyan Air Force so Gaddafi did not have planes with which to fight back and then arrest Gaddafi and put him on “trial”. That’s what the coalition said, anyway.
Then the bombing started and when Amnesty International saw what the coalition forces were doing – all those war crimes and thousands of innocent people being blown up – they went back to the UN and changed their story. Oops, they said, they had gotten some bad information. Gaddafi wasn’t actually giving Viagra to his troops, he wasn’t actually killing his own people, and the “rebels” who were rising up against him weren’t actually native Libyans but appeared to be imports who were being paid to instigate dissatisfaction within the population. It was all just rumors that Amnesty Int had fallen for. Of course, the spokeswoman for Amnesty Int never admitted that they had started those rumors themselves. Several years after the whole thing was over, by the way, it came out that the “rebels” in Libya were created by the CIA. US Ambassador Stevens, who was famously killed at our “embassy” in Libya, was not really at the embassy, but at a safe house where guns were stored, and was involved in a gun-running operation for the CIA to arm these so-called rebels.
Libya was the crown jewel of Africa. The wealth of that nation was truly nationalized; Gaddafi used the money from oil sales to give a basic income to all Libyans. They had universe healthcare, free college education (under Gaddafi, Libya had a much higher literacy rate than the US and most western countries), a starter home for all newly-wed couples, etc. Gaddafi himself lived in a tent. He refused to live in a real house until every Libyan had a house.
At the time the US was seeking a coalition to bomb Libya, the then-prime minister (can’t remember his name) of Italy refused to sign on. He said he had been to Libya and seen how the people adored Gaddafi. “He may not have been elected,” the Italian said,. “but he is truly beloved by the people.” Then some arm-twisting happened and the Italians joined in anyway. Gaddafi was not elected, this is true. But then Libya was like many Middle Eastern and African countries, where the government is formed by the ruling tribe rather than by general elections. It is not what we would call democracy, and sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn’t. Our abject refusal to understand that societies in foreign countries might arrange themselves differently than we choose to lead to disastrous interventions like our invasion of Libya. Libya was actually working for its people. It was NOT like North Korea under the Kim family, for example. Or Saudi Arabia under their crown princes.
So we went in and we destroyed the Great Man-made River and the factory that supplied its replacement pipes and parts; we bombed orphanages, schools, tv and radio stations, apartment buildings, hospitals and roads. We utterly destroyed the city of Sirte just because it was Gaddafi’s home town and bombed a few other cities just for the hell of it.
The coalition, led by the US and France, simply declared some new guys were the official government in Libya before Gaddafi was even dead (kind of like what we did to Maduro in Venezuela a couple of years ago), we stole all of Libya’s gold and have never to this day returned it, and then assassinated Gaddafi. No trial, no tribunal: we never intended to have a trial in any case. We wanted Libya’s assets, not “freedom” for the Libyan people. We took over the oil fields and ended the nationalized oil and banking sectors in Libya. Before we left the country, several US Congressmen (led by John McCain) had escorted some heads of major US companies into Libya to divvy up the spoils. Hillary the war-pig went on a speaking tour to promote the great business opportunities in the now “open for US business” new Libya.
We ruined this beautiful country. We killed tens of thousands of Libyans – not only due to the bombing we did of various cities, but also because of the loss of water and the inevitable result this had on agricultural production, the loss of their national income, and the chaotic strife over who would run the government after we left.
If there is a hell, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Nikolas Sarkozy will be burning there forever for what they did to Libya.
Please do note the source on this. It is from the National Library of Medicine, affiliated with NIH and the federal government. You should feel fine about sharing it with those who support the vaccines:
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Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
30 Sept, 2021Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates [1]. A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom [2]. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases [3]. We investigate the relationship between the percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases across 68 countries and across 2947 counties in the US.[…]
Findings
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage population fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).
Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as “High” transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%. […]
Interpretation
The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates. Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines.For instance, in a report released from the Ministry of Health in Israel, the effectiveness of 2 doses of the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine against preventing COVID-19 infection was reported to be 39% [6], substantially lower than the trial efficacy of 96% [7]. It is also emerging that immunity derived from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may not be as strong as immunity acquired through recovery from the COVID-19 virus [8]. A substantial decline in immunity from mRNA vaccines 6-months post immunization has also been reported [9]. Even though vaccinations offers protection to individuals against severe hospitalization and death, the CDC reported an increase from 0.01 to 9% and 0 to 15.1% (between January to May 2021) in the rates of hospitalizations and deaths, respectively, amongst the fully vaccinated [10].
In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
*************************So here’s an interesting thing. Some of the state Governors are calling on their National Guard to serve in hospitals, rehabs, or nursing homes as replacements for nursing personnel who have either been laid off because of vaccine mandates or left because they are simply tired of the stress and overwork after 18 months.
Turns out the National Guardsmen do not have to follow the vaccine mandates that the active military does.
Airmen in the Nat’l Guard have until Dec 2 to be fully vaccinated, Marine and Navy reservists have until Dec 28, and Army Nat’l Guard and reservists have until JUNE 30, 2022.
Furthermore, “Officials in all services have said refusal to receive the COVID-19 vaccine without an approved exemption for medical or administrative reasons, including religious accommodations, may be punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which does not apply to the Guard in a non-Title 10 status.”
Title 10 status is when the Nat’l Guard is called upon by the President to serve in a federal active-duty role and can include overseas deployment. Non-title 10 is when the Guard is called upon by a state’s Governor to serve under the state’s orders, not the federal government’s. (Such as when called upon by their state to fight fires, handle hurricane responses, or in this case, to fill in as medical personnel.) So in the paragraph above, they are saying that the Nat’l Guards who refuse the vaccine and who are called to serve by their state Governor cannot be court-martialed, but active duty soldiers will be. (One can surmise that Guardsmen who are called into duty by the President to fulfill a federal role could also be court-martialed if they refuse the vaccine because then they are serving under Title 10.)
So various states are laying off doctors, nurses and other hospital and nursing home staff for refusing the vaccine and replacing them with Army National Guardsmen who do not have to be fully vaccinated until next summer. Only about 40% of the National Guardsmen are vaccinated at this moment.
You can read some official stuff about this here:
https://www.ngaus.org/about-ngaus/newsroom/army-outlines-vaccine-mandate-punishments
@ chooch;
“teri, I am having trouble finding Zout and oxyclean free (no dyes and perfumes)”
Took me a minute to figure out why you were telling me that. At first, I was thinking, ‘why is this brother telling me about his laundry problems?’ Then, of course, the light went on – supply chain issues and quote I cited from the Treasury Dept guy. Duh. I had to laugh at myself because I was thinking you wanted me to do some kind of research on where you could find an emergency stash of non-GMO Soapy Suds or some such shit.
Of all the things I ever lost, I miss my mind the most.
I remember when some politicians and televangelists blamed hurricane Katrina on the “sinners” in New Orleans and crowed that they had gotten what they deserved. Now it’s the unvaccinated who are to blame for everything bad that ever happens anywhere.
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The deputy secretary at the US Treasury has put Americans on notice that the only way to end the plague of empty shelves around the country is for every resident to be vaccinated. The frank warning came off as a threat to many.Wally Adeyemo, the Biden administration’s second-highest official in the Treasury Department, appeared to publicly blackmail the still-sizable portion of Americans who have not been vaccinated against Covid-19 during a Thursday ABC interview, seemingly blaming them for the ongoing shortages of consumer goods that have led many to mock the president as ‘Empty Shelves Joe’. […]
While he praised the administration’s stimulus payments, he also pinned the blame squarely on the unvaccinated.
‘The reality is that the only way we’re going to get to a place where we work through this transition is if everyone in America and everyone around the world gets vaccinated.’ [he said]
[…] a growing number of Americans are demanding answers regarding the weirdly specific nature of certain products missing from store shelves. Some have even voiced doubt concerning whether the shortages are being introduced deliberately, either to gin up hatred against the unvaccinated or keep Americans economically off-balance as they grow accustomed to the wild disruptions of the pandemic.
Adeyemo did the Biden cabinet no favors by adding fuel to the conspiratorial fire, explaining the primary reason Biden continued to push for everyone to be vaccinated was that only then could the White House “provide the resources the American people need to make it to the other side” of the supply chain problem.[…]Meanwhile, Biden’s cabinet has come across as woefully out of touch – White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain, for example, pooh-poohed the issue of empty shelves as a “high class” problem earlier this week, eliciting criticism from both Left and Right. And Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg has been quietly vacationing on paternity leave since mid-August, leaving the country without even a semblance of logistical oversight as the cargo clog shows no signs of dissipating.[…]
https://www.rt.com/usa/537637-supply-chain-covid-unvaccinated-biden/
*********************Sad story; Last week, an Indiana family went to the pharmacist to get flu shots. They were all given Covid-19 vaccines by mistake. The two little ones (ages 4 and 5) became ill and have been diagnosed with heart problems.
I don’t remember where I originally found out about this Whitney Webb article regarding Moderna, but it is quite an interesting read. Sorry if I am posting something someone has already linked to here. The below excerpts are from her first part of a two-part article:
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[…] In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission dated November 2018, months after Moderna had claimed to have fixed the issues with its lipid nanoparticle delivery system, the company made several claims that appear to contradict its purported development of a new, safer nanoparticle technology.For example, the filing states on page 33:
Most of our investigational medicines are formulated and administered in an LNP [lipid nanoparticle] which may lead to systemic side effects related to the components of the LNP which may not have ever been tested in humans. While we have continued to optimize our LNPs, there can be no assurance that our LNPs will not have undesired effects. Our LNPs could contribute, in whole or in part, to one or more of the following: immune reactions, infusion reactions, complement reactions, opsonation [sic] reactions, antibody reactions including IgA, IgM, IgE or IgG or some combination thereof, or reactions to the PEG from some lipids or PEG otherwise associated with the LNP.Certain aspects of our investigational medicines may induce immune reactions from either the mRNA or the lipid as well as adverse reactions within liver pathways or degradation of the mRNA or the LNP, any of which could lead to significant adverse events in one or more of our clinical trials. Many of these types of side effects have been seen for legacy LNPs. There may be resulting uncertainty as to the underlying cause of any such adverse event, which would make it difficult to accurately predict side effects in future clinical trials and would result in significant delays in our programs.
[…] In mid-September 2019, Moderna gathered investors together to showcase scientific evidence it claimed would finally prove that its mRNA technology could “turn the body’s own cells into medicine-making factories” and hopefully “turn skeptical investors into believers.” This data, which was derived from a very preliminary study that involved only four healthy participants, had complications. Three of the four participants had side effects that prompted Moderna to state at the meeting that they would need to reformulate the mRNA treatment to include steroids, while one of the participants suffered heart-related side effects, including a rapid heart rate and an irregular heartbeat. Moderna, which asserted that none of the heart-related side effects was serious, could not “definitively pinpoint the cause of the heart symptoms.” Yet, as previously mentioned, it was likely related to the safety issues that had been plaguing its experimental products for years.
[…]A month later [e.g., Oct, ’19] , at the 2019 Milken Institute Future of Health Summit, there was a panel discussion on universal flu vaccines and how a “disruptive” event would be needed to upset the long-existing bureaucratic vaccine-approval process to facilitate wider adoption of “nontraditional” vaccines, such as those produced by Moderna. Panel speakers including former FDA commissioner Margaret Hamburg, a veteran of the 2001 Dark Winter exercise and scientific advisor to the Gates foundation, as well as Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and Rick Bright of BARDA, who previously worked for the Gates-funded PATH. The panel discussion notably took place shortly after the controversial coronavirus pandemic simulation called Event 201, whose moderators and sponsors had been intimately involved in 2001’s Dark Winter.
[…] Bright then added that a “mediocre and fast” vaccine was better than a “mediocre and slow” vaccine. He then said that we can make “better vaccines and make them faster” and that urgency and disruption were necessary to produce the targeted and accelerated development of one such vaccine. Later in the panel, Bright said the best way to “disrupt” the vaccine field in favor of “faster” vaccines would be the emergence of “an entity of excitement out there that’s completely disruptive, that’s not beholden to bureaucratic strings and processes.” He later very directly said that by “faster” vaccines he meant mRNA vaccines.
The Bright-led BARDA and the Fauci-led NIAID in just a few months’ time became the biggest backers of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, investing billions and co-developing the vaccine with the company, respectively. As will be explained in Part II of this series, the partnership between Moderna and the NIH to co-develop what would soon become Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine was being forged as early as January 7, 2020, long before the official declaration of the COVID-19 crisis as a pandemic and before a vaccine was proclaimed as necessary by officials and other individuals. […]
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@ John Day;
LOL. Nah, no artificial intelligentsia here, benevolent or otherwise. Just a lowly bookkeeper in the smallest accounting firm on the East Coast. That only means a predisposition to sleuthing out the minutia. My boss once rudely called it “being anal”, to which I replied with some hurt and irritation, “We do ACCOUNTING. Isn’t being detail-oriented what you pay me for?”@ phoenixvoice;
“Visitors to federal buildings
Does that include federal buildings that tourists enter? Include, for example, visitors centers at national parks? Anyone who enters a federal court building?
Or just visitors who are coming as a part of their job?”From what I can tell, it all depends on various nitty-gritty details that are written to confuse and bewilder the general public. For instance, the Task Force guidelines about federal and contract employees reads that if there is an event hosted by some federal agency and more than 50 people (even those who are just members of the public) will be there, the event has to be approved by the head of that agency, who can (randomly, I gather) decide what the requirements will be. Regardless of the number of attendees, the basic rule is that everyone attending any meeting, conference or event at a federal building has to provide proof of vaccine or a negative Covid test from within the last 3 days. If they refuse to provide vaccine status or are not fully vaccinated, they have to have the negative Covid test and are also required to wear a face mask and do social distancing.
Then they also say that in general to visit federal buildings, everyone has to have proof of vaccine or negative Covid test results, but even with a negative Covid test, if you are not vaccinated you’ll have to wear a mask and socially distance.
That being said, there are still other caveats, such as exactly which agency runs the building you want to visit. National parks have their own thing going on, as do places like the Washington Monument and the Smithsonian. I think most of the public recreation places like museums and parks are not requiring vaccine status right now, but do have masking rules. Also, there are federal buildings that have to follow the guidelines for the state where they are located, which may be slightly different from the federal guidelines.
But then there is a big carve-out for “members of the public entering a federal building to obtain a public service or benefit”. Who these people might be is not specified. I would guess (this really is just a guess) they mean someone going to apply for SS disability, VA benefits, or the like, and maybe people who are going to a federal courthouse for a court case. They do not have to show vaccine status or a negative Covid test.
It is really very confusing. But if you want to go to a national park or museum, I guess just look up their rules on the pertinent website beforehand. If you want to tour the CIA headquarters in Langley, I think you can assume you need a vaccine card or a negative Covid test. If your boss is sending you to the “Business Roundtable Forum on Bringing Fun Back into the Workplace Through Pole-dancing” and it’s being held at a federal building, I think you can assume you need a vaccine card or negative test.
It’s all a mystery.
“Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 24, 2021, a total of 752,803 adverse events following COVID vaccines were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The data included a total of 15,937 reports of deaths — an increase of 551 over the previous week.
“There were 105,758 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 6,348 compared with the previous week.
“Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 581,851 adverse events, including 7,215 deaths and 45,952 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020 and Sept. 24, 2021.”As Reports of Deaths After COVID Vaccines Near 16,000, CDC Urges Pregnant Women to Get the Vaccine
***************“As President Joe Biden signed a law funding the treatment of 200-plus US officials who claim to have been affected by so-called Havana Syndrome, German police said they were looking into more possible cases.[…]
“Meanwhile in Washington, Biden signed into law the Helping American Victims Afflicted by Neurological Attacks (HAVANA) Act, passed unanimously by Congress last month, providing money for the treatment of more than 200 government employees who claim to have been affected by the mystery syndrome.[…]
” ‘Civil servants, intelligence officers, diplomats, and military personnel all around the world have been affected by anomalous health incidents,’ Biden said in a statement. ‘Some are struggling with debilitating brain injuries that have curtailed their careers of service to our nation. Addressing these incidents has been a top priority for my administration.’ […]
“Last month, however, the State Department released a redacted version of the classified 2018 report by JASON, a scientific advisory group, that ruled out microwave or ultrasound energy, saying that the power requirements were prohibitive and pointing out that electronics were not affected.
“The JASON report said that a third of the original reports were ‘most likely’ caused by the noise made by a specific species of cricket – a conclusion a US Berkeley scientist reached independently in early 2019 – while others may have been of psychological origin.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/537029-biden-havana-syndrome-law/
*************So-o-o-o, we have a whole new freakin’ law to financially help out the coupla hundred civil servant whackaloons who think the insect noises they hear are some kind of “directed energy” attacks (and naturally we have to call this the Havana law, because you know, Cuba and shit), but the hundreds of thousands who are suffering adverse effects up to and including death from vaccines – we get crickets. (Har, har, crickets, get it?)
Oh, Chooch, and another article:
@ chooch,
Ah, I thought you were a federal contractor because you quoted an article about Biden’s EO for federal workers/contractors and said that this was what your company was basing their vaccine mandates on.
The Biden Task Force EO about federal contractors includes a whole slew of companies that only remotely touch the federal gov’t. Even companies that are sub-contracted to federal contractors are included in this EO. If you are required to visit federal property on a routine basis as part of your job it includes you. If you only rarely have to visit federal property as part of your job, you will be asked to show vaccine papers, a negative Covid test within the last 3 days, and/or have to do the full masking/distancing thing each time you visit. So this EO may affect you or the company you work for in some fashion.
Here is the part in the Task Force guidelines about visitors, people coming to federal property for meetings and events (this would cover someone who only infrequently needs to be there for work purposes, but isn’t a federal contractor) :
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[…] Visitors to Federal buildings who are not fully vaccinated or who decline to provide information about their vaccination status must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test from no later than the previous 3 days prior to entry to a Federal building. See the section below on Meetings, Events, and Conferences for how visitor requirements apply to in-person participants in meetings, events, and conferences hosted by agencies.
These requirements related to the provision of information about vaccination and provision of proof of a recent negative COVID-19 test do not apply to members of the public entering a Federal building or Federal land to obtain a public service or benefit. If they are not fully vaccinated, these visitors must comply with all relevant CDC guidance, including wearing a mask and physically distancing from other people. […]https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/updates%20to%20model%20safety%20principles%209.13.21.pdf
*************If you are in no way connected to the federal workforce at all, then the mandate that WOULD potentially affect you is the one that OSHA is coming up with – and that one doesn’t actually exist yet. (Even so, that one will not include companies with less than 100 employees).
Below are two articles that do a pretty good job of explaining the various mandates that have been put in place or (in the case of OSHA) are in development. You’ll find that everyone has questions about the whole mess, who it affects, and how companies are supposed to deal with the resulting chaos.
As to why a private company might go ahead and require vaccines before they have to – well, that is the question, isn’t it?
Unanswered vaccine mandate questions remain for contractors after FAR Council rule
@ Cooch;
Yesterday, you said to me, “Anyway, the guys I work with are coming up bagel as to the existence of an EO. Here are a couple articles that hilight it’s non existence.”
I am answering here, since people seldom return to a previous comment thread. I did some research into the executive order and found what I believe is the answer. This will be long, but I wanted to include all the pertinent info for you and your coworkers. I am providing links to my sources. Oh, and for some reason I no longer have formatting options showing up for me to use (so I can’t block-quote) – so I put a row of stars above and below any direct quotes.
All the stuff below is pertinent to Federal employees and companies that contract with the Federal government. It is NOT the same as the mandate shit for private businesses; OSHA is supposedly in the process of writing mandate rules for them, although so far they have not actually issued anything.
Biden issued an EO on Sept 9 regarding vaccines for the federal employees, including contractors. This is part of a blurb on the White House website from an article they titled, “Vaccines Requirement Report”:
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[…] Starting in July, the President announced a series of vaccination requirements, including:
Requiring all federal executive branch employees, including the military, and all federal contractors be fully vaccinated. The President signed an Executive Order to require all federal executive branch workers to be vaccinated and another Executive Order extending this standard to employees of federal contractors. Prior to the President’s Executive Order, the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), the Department of Defense (DoD), and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced requirements for certain employees to be fully vaccinated. The new requirement covers more than 3.5 million people and ensures a consistent standard across the federal government. […]https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Vaccination-Requirements-Report.pdf
*************Okay, where is that EO? Well, it is here and it reads in part:
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Executive Order on Requiring Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees
SEPTEMBER 09, 2021The health and safety of the Federal workforce, and the health and safety of members of the public with whom they interact, are foundational to the efficiency of the civil service. I have determined that ensuring the health and safety of the Federal workforce and the efficiency of the civil service requires immediate action to protect the Federal workforce and individuals interacting with the Federal workforce. It is essential that Federal employees take all available steps to protect themselves and avoid spreading COVID-19 to their co-workers and members of the public. The CDC has found that the best way to do so is to be vaccinated.
The Safer Federal Workforce Task Force (Task Force), established by Executive Order 13991 of January 20, 2021 (Protecting the Federal Workforce and Requiring Mask-Wearing), has issued important guidance to protect the Federal workforce and individuals interacting with the Federal workforce. Agencies have also taken important actions, including in some cases requiring COVID-19 vaccination for members of their workforce.
Accordingly, building on these actions, and in light of the public health guidance regarding the most effective and necessary defenses against COVID-19, I have determined that to promote the health and safety of the Federal workforce and the efficiency of the civil service, it is necessary to require COVID-19 vaccination for all Federal employees, subject to such exceptions as required by law.
Sec. 2. Mandatory Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees. Each agency shall implement, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a program to require COVID-19 vaccination for all of its Federal employees, with exceptions only as required by law. The Task Force shall issue guidance within 7 days of the date of this order on agency implementation of this requirement for all agencies covered by this order. […]
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-requiring-coronavirus-disease-2019-vaccination-for-federal-employees/
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You will note that this “executive order” does not really set forth any rules itself, but asks for agencies to implement whatever guidance the “Task Force” comes up with. Biden has done three things here: 1) he has set up a committee to handle the details rather than the administration itself (plausible deniability), 2) provided the mechanism by which whatever the “Task Force” comes up with is automatically incorporated into the above quoted executive order (so he doesn’t have to issue a new EO just to implement the guidelines, which is just laziness on his part), and 3) he has demanded that vaccinations have to be included in those guidelines (which kinda over-rides the plausible deniability he sought with item #1 that I postulated.I am used to doing research into the mundane and nit-picky bullshit put out by the federal government, so I knew to persist in my quest for information. It is indeed a daunting task for the uninitiated and one not to be taken lightly. But I sallied forth bravely and found that the Task Force has indeed come up with its guidelines and that they do, in fact, include vaccines for gov’t contractors. As I said, this guidance is, ipso facto, part of Biden’s EO and as such carries the weight of any EO. (EO’s can be overturned by Congress by passing a bill that blocks it, and then the president can veto the bill and then Congress can override the veto, but that is not going to happen here. Congress loves this shit.)
Okay, so here is the Task Force guidance issued on 13 Sept:
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Safer Federal Workforce Task Force COVID-19 Workplace Safety: Agency Model Safety Principles Last Updated September 13, 2021 (Previously Updated July 29, 2021)
• Federal Executive Branch employees must be fully vaccinated, except in limited circumstances where an employee is legally entitled to a reasonable accommodation. Agencies must work expeditiously so that their employees are fully vaccinated as quickly as possible and by no later than November 22, 2021.
• With the government-wide adoption and implementation of these vaccination requirements, agencies are no longer required to establish a screening testing program for employees or onsite contractor employees who are not fully vaccinated, although they may do so.
• The President has announced that Federal contractor employees will be required to be vaccinated. Prior to being contractually required to be vaccinated, onsite contractor employees who are not fully vaccinated and are not part of an agency testing program must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test from no later than the previous 3 days prior to entry to a Federal building. […]Vaccination
To ensure the safety of the Federal workforce, Federal employees must be fully vaccinated, except in limited circumstances where an employee is legally entitled to a reasonable accommodation. Agencies must work expeditiously so that their employees are fully vaccinated as quickly as possible and by no later than November 22, 2021. […]Some contractor employees may not yet be subject to a contractual requirement to be vaccinated, and some visitors may not be fully vaccinated or decline to provide information on their vaccination status. Given the different safety protocols for individuals who are fully vaccinated and those who are not fully vaccinated, agencies need to ask about the vaccination status of visitors to Federal buildings and onsite contractor employees who are not yet contractually required to be vaccinated. Individuals must attest to the truthfulness of the response they provide. When an individual discloses that they are not fully vaccinated or declines to provide information on their vaccination status, agencies should treat that individual as not fully vaccinated for purposes of implementing safety measures, including with respect to mask wearing and physical distancing.
Onsite contractor employees who are not yet contractually required to be vaccinated and who are not fully vaccinated or who decline to provide information about their vaccination status must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test from no later than the previous 3 days prior to entry to a Federal building— as noted below, if a contractor employee is regularly tested pursuant to an agency testing program, they do not need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test from no later than the previous 3 days prior to entry to a Federal building unless required to by the agency testing program. […]
https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/updates%20to%20model%20safety%20principles%209.13.21.pdf
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The above guidance was followed up with more clarification from the Task Force on Sept 24. Also, by the way, they changed the date of vaccine compliance to Dec 8 for contractors (still Nov 22 for regular federal employees). The Federal Acquisition Regulatory (FAR) Council, which had to officially implement the protocols, did so on Sept. 30 with a memo; the memo just says to follow the Task Force guidelines. The new guidance on contractors has this in it:
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Safer Federal Workforce Task Force COVID-19 Workplace Safety: Guidance for Federal Contractors and Subcontractors Issued September 24, 2021
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Pursuant to this Guidance, and in addition to any requirements or workplace safety protocols that are applicable because a contractor or subcontractor employee is present at a Federal workplace, Federal contractors and subcontractors with a covered contract will be required to conform to the following workplace safety protocols:
1. COVID-19 vaccination of covered contractor employees, except in limited circumstances where an employee is legally entitled to an accommodation; […]Guidance
Covered contractors are responsible for ensuring that covered contractor employees comply with the workplace safety protocols detailed below […]
1. Vaccination of covered contractor employees, except in limited circumstances where an employee is legally entitled to an accommodation
Covered contractors must ensure that all covered contractor employees are fully vaccinated for COVID-19, unless the employee is legally entitled to an accommodation. Covered contractor employees must be fully vaccinated no later than December 8, 2021. […]
An attestation of vaccination by the covered contractor employee is not an acceptable substitute for documentation of proof of vaccination.Q4: Who is responsible for determining if a covered contractor employee must be provided an accommodation because of a disability or because of a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance?
A: A covered contractor may be required to provide an accommodation to contractor employees who communicate to the covered contractor that they are not vaccinated for COVID-19, or that they cannot wear a mask, because of a disability (which would include medical conditions) or because of a sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance. A covered contractor should review and consider what, if any, accommodation it must offer. The contractor is responsible for considering, and dispositioning, such requests for accommodations regardless of the covered contractor employee’s place of performance. […]Q5: Are covered contractor employees who have a prior COVID-19 infection required to be vaccinated?
A: Yes, covered contractor employees who have had a prior COVID-19 infection are required to be vaccinated.Q6: Can a covered contractor accept a recent antibody test from a covered contractor employee to prove vaccination status?
A: No. A covered contractor cannot accept a recent antibody test from a covered contractor employee to prove vaccination status. […]Q11: How does this Guidance apply to covered contractor employees who are authorized under the covered contract to perform work remotely from their residence?
A: An individual working on a covered contract from their residence is a covered contractor employee, and must comply with the vaccination requirement for covered contractor employees, even if the employee never works at either a covered contractor workplace or Federal workplace during the performance of the contract. […]https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/Draft%20contractor%20guidance%20doc_20210922.pdf
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As I said above somewhere, it appears that this Task Force “guidance” has the weight of an executive order, if only by implication. There is a lot of confusion among contractors about the whole thing and it affects about 80 million people between the federal workforce and the federal contractors. I have no idea how an employer is supposed to decide if an employee’s claim to religious or medical exemption is valid, given that employers are not legally allowed to question an employee about religious beliefs or force them to disclose medical conditions. Whole thing is a boondoggle of a mess with mass confusion running rampant. But it looks like it is “legal” in the sense that it is enshrined in an executive order. The court system may prove that a false assumption, as it has with many executive orders through the years.I am sorry this is so long, but I figured you might want to have something to copy (for yourself and/or coworkers) that has all the pertinent quotes and links in one place.
And sorry to Ilargi, too, for using up so much space on one comment. These mandates demanding an experimental vaccine that doesn’t even work really bug the crap out of me, so I get a tad carried away.
– TeriI posted this comment on ecosophia and decided to post it here, too. It strikes me that all these businesses laying off their people in the anticipation of a mandate are screwing themselves royally. And what happens when/if it is ever admitted that the vaccines do not do anything to protect people at all? you think all the unfairly laid off people will want to go back to those employers again?
———-It’s been instructive to see the private business sector capitulate so rapidly to an as-yet nonexistent “regulation”. OSHA is still fielding questions from companies and has not actually issued any rules at all on Biden’s mandate. But as soon as Biden mentioned the mandates in public, businesses began enforcing this speculative mandate on their own.
It is now estimated that OSHA will have something in writing at the end of this month (Oct), but even then the mandate won’t be enforced until 75 days after the ruling is issued. Furthermore, the federal OSHA has jurisdiction in only 29 states; the other 21 states have their own state-run plans for worker safety regulation. States with what are called OSHA-state-plans will have an additional few weeks to adopt the federal OSHA guidance when and if the mandate is actually presented at the federal level.
I looked at the OSHA website just yesterday, and they have their full guidance on Covid related workplace safety still reading much as it has since Jan of this year. Stuff like ventilation, mask-wearing, time off for vaccinations and recovery from side-effects, etc. pretty much the same as always. One interesting new addition is the remark added as an updated guidance on 13 August, 2021 (6 weeks ago): “However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can be infectious and can spread the virus to others. This evidence has led CDC to update recommendations for fully vaccinated people to reduce their risk of becoming infected with the Delta variant and potentially spreading it to others, including by […they suggest mask wearing and getting testing after assumed exposure here, but they say it in a lot of words].” This is from: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/safework
Given that OSHA itself admits that the vaccinated can still catch and spread the virus, I don’t see how any rules demanding vaccination as a requirement for continued employment in an effort to keep the workplace “safe” can be considered anything but specious. And given that the vaccines are experimental (testing phases are not anticipated to be completed until 2022- 23), one has to wonder about who will be held liable should the vaccines prove to be a risk equal to catching Covid itself. The pharma companies are held harmless, thanks to Biden, and the White House will not be liable, since Biden is making OSHA handle the mandate. I suspect that if the mandate goes into effect and workers continue to get sick or die from the vaccine, the individual companies will be legally liable for damages brought by the families of injured or dead employees. Additionally, no-one knows if OSHA will mandate boosters as part of the vaccine requirement, although an ETS (emergency temporary standard) issued by OSHA can only remain in place for 6 months, so if they want to include boosters, they would have to make it a permanent standard with an open commenting period and more formal rules with concomitant proof of necessity required.
And yet, here we are, with companies and state governments all over the country rushing to enforce a mandate that does not exist yet. They are laying off their own workforce with a vengeance – for all the world as though they think this won’t affect their bottom lines. The same companies that complain they can’t find enough workers to fill their needs are now eager to lay off employees based on the speculation that someone else might make them do it at some point. It’s amazing that the business world is so eager to inflict this sort of damage on themselves.
Posting this because the headline is so freaking funny. I’m absolutely sure Reuters (who published the original article) did not intend for anyone to find it amusing. But seriously – “COVID-19 infections dropping throughout the Americas, more vaccine needed, says health agency”. Sounds like, “Oh, no, infection rates are going down! We need more vaccines to get those numbers back up!” Well, maybe it’s just me.
Anyway, I’ll post the entire article below (it’s short). The article actually appears to prove that the Americas in general are seeing an overall reduction in cases, despite some of the countries only having a 10% vaccination rate. So I am left mystified as to why the vaccines are so damn important; the numbers prove they are doing well enough without them.
*************BRASILIA (Reuters) -The number of new COVID-19 infections has been dropping over the past month throughout the Americas, even though only 37% of the people in Latin America and the Caribbean are fully vaccinated, the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) said on Wednesday.
In the last week, 1.2 million people were confirmed with COVID-19 in the region, down from 1.5 million new cases the previous week.
Alaska has the most serious current outbreak in the United States, overwhelming emergency rooms, and Mexico is reporting a jump in new cases, the health agency said.And while South America is continuing to see a drop in infections, Chile has had a surge in cases in the capital Santiago and port cities Coquimbo and Antofagasta.
PAHO also said it has closed vaccine supply agreements with Sinovac Biotech Inc and AstraZeneca Plc for the delivery of 8.5 million doses this year, and with China’s Sinopharm Group for next year.
Jamaica, Nicaragua and Haiti have yet to reach even 10% vaccination coverage, PAHO said.
“We must focus our attention to close this gap as quickly as possible,” PAHO Director Carissa Etienne told reporters in a weekly briefing in which she urged countries with surplus vaccine doses to share them with countries in the region to save lives.
PAHO is doing all it can to speed up vaccination in the region, by delivering doses through COVAX – the World Health Organization co-led vaccine access program – by supporting donations and by direct purchases of vaccines through its revolving fund, Etienne said.
In the past week, 875,000 vaccine doses arrived in countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, though that is still not enough to protect the population, she added.
The United States is donating 4 million vaccine doses to the Caribbean, PAHO Assistant Director Jarbas Barbosa said.
Barbosa said donations are badly needed because COVAX will not be able to meet its target of providing doses for 20% of the population of Latin America and the Caribbean by the end of this year.
He blamed manufacturers for the COVAX delays, saying they preferred to produce for clients who pay more for the shots.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-infections-dropping-throughout-americas-153620308.htmlI found this interesting: the closest genetic match to the Covid19 genome appears in a bat population in Laos.
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COVID-19 origins: Closest viruses to SARS-CoV-2 found in Laos• Numerous theories exist around the origins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, but none has yet been proven.
• Parts of the genome of the SARS-CoV-2 virus are so unusualTrusted Source that it has given rise to conspiracy theories that the virus must have been developed in a lab.
• Researchers have now discovered in bats living in caves in Laos strains of viruses so similar to SARS-CoV-2 that they believe they could infect humans.
• This discovery could prove the natural origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and that direct bat-to-human transmission of the virus is a possible cause of the pandemic. […]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-origins-closest-viruses-to-sars-cov-2-found-in-laos#Infecting-human-cells
**************I saw the headline in google news’ health section this morning, skipped over it, but then decided I wanted to read the article after all. So I went back to google news (within a minute of seeing the headline) – and it was gone. I had to do a search to find the article. I guess this article does not match the narrative of blaming China, so someone quickly pulled it.
Taibbi: …”there was only one route left for media companies, who’d lost ad revenue to Internet platforms, to make money: putting content behind a paywall.”
Heh. Taibbi hopped right onto that paying-subscribers-only bandwagon pretty quickly himself.
@ those darned kids:
“i’m getting ‘website unsafe’ warnings in various browsers. certificate stuff, it says.”
This morning, I got that on a couple of websites I read every day, including TAE. It happened on both Safari and Google Chrome (yuck) browsers. I talked to my son, who is a techie dude, and it turns out that the problem is 1) my old computer plus 2) the aging out of the website’s original certificate holder.
So, 1) – my Mac Mini is pretty old and uses an operating system that cannot accept some of the new updates (I think my op system is an OS 11?). So while it might have, in the past, routinely accepted an update to certain certifications of websites, it cannot do so now.
And 2) – One of the biggest certifying groups (not sure you call them “groups”; maybe “companies” is a better word) apparently allowed the websites’ certificates to expire on Sept 30 this year. I.e., today. They certify a HUGE number of websites. The websites may or may not be aware of this and may need to seek a new company to handle their certification. My son is not sure if the individual websites were contacted to pick a new certifying company, but that is irrelevant to me, because of:
2a) – I can bypass the warning message if I want to and doing so allows me access to the website in question…with a caveat. My son warned me to ONLY do this bypass if I am positive that the website is not actually a fake and that it has never actually tried to install malware/bad stuff/hinky shit in my computer.
On the warning box, you can click on ‘details’ then within the paragraph that open up, you can click on the underlined ‘visit this website’. It will ask you to give your computer password, because you are over-riding the part of your system that checks and updates these certifications. This is why you don’t want to bypass the warning for a website you have never used before.
Obviously, you figured this out, because you are posting here today. However, I did want to write this to you just to warn you about handling it this way for every single website you get the message for. Sometimes the warning box really IS because a website is trying to get into your system to harvest stuff. Having an invalid certification is giveaway to that sort of activity as far as your computer warning system goes. I got the message today on TAE, Kunstler, and Turley. They must all use the same big company whose certifications expired today.
Anyway, that’s why you are getting the message – and do be careful about bypassing it for an unknown site.
It’s okay. We just need to know our enemies….and I am not your enemy. Here, a music break on me.
I keep thinking that here’s where we are:
Freakin’ David Byrne, man.
First comment under this video (as I watched it a few minutes ago) was from a year ago and reads,“This is my quarantine workout. I play this video 3 times in a row and do whatever the heck David Byrne is doing. I became so buff my shoulders expanded by 3 times and now my head looks smaller.”
No, I omitted them because I was specifically looking for clinical trials in the US to see if we were even researching this medicine. I am surprised the US isn’t doing more trials considering the success other countries seem to have had with Ivermectin.
I just checked again and the clinical trials.gov website has 8 studies listed in the US now – not 3. Of the 8, one has been withdrawn, and one does not mention ivermectin within its parameters, so there are really only 6 currently. In the US.
I did not check worldwide studies because I wanted to know if the medical people in the US are even interested in ivermectin, not because I think studies done in other countries are not as “good” as the US. My point was, in fact, that we (in the US) are derelict by ignoring the possible use of this medicine. Please don’t put words in my mouth. Geez.
And I agree with you in that I too say, “I would prefer to take Ivermectin instead of the approved Remdesivir. I would not prefer to take the vaccines because there are other options that can be as effective.”
@Ilargi, “There is a clear contradiction in saying “we must take care to use only reliable information” and then pointing to the NIH website.”
LOL. You are right about that, of course. But the misinformation I was pointing out was the idea that NIH had approved of Ivermectin. They did not, and they did not try to say that they had. We just didn’t read the entire wording they used, so this particular little detail was a mistaken assumption made in haste – not the fault of NIH.
There is a whole freaking slew of really important stuff that is their fault, and the fault of the entire governmental apparatus, the media, and the pharma companies, etc.
I wanted to clear up a mistaken assumption made the other day in the comment section. There are so many attacks on people who do not want the vaccines that we must take care to use only reliable information. This is a small thing, but I think it should be noted.
Bolding in the below is mine. I checked the NIH website (which is very difficult to use, btw) regarding their supposed approval of Ivermectin. The antivirals listed are “approved or under evaluation”; i.e., not all of them are fully approved. Says so right in the heading at the top of the page:
Table 2e. Characteristics of Antiviral Agents That Are Approved or Under Evaluation for the Treatment of COVID-19
Under the Dosing Regimens column, there is the note that the “doses listed here are for approved indications or from reported experiences or clinical trials.”
Under Ivermectin specifically, it reads, “The dose most commonly used in clinical trials is IVM 0.2–0.6 mg/kg PO given as a single dose or as a once-daily dose for up to 5 days.”
Of the three antivirals listed by NIH, only Remdesivir is approved. You can see that by reading the column titled “comments and links to clinical trials”. The other two (Ivermectin and Nitazonanide) are not approved, and you are given a link to see the clinical trials. (Remdesivir wrecks your kidneys. I wouldn’t take it, but hey – maybe that’s just me.)
I found that there are currently three (only 3!) trials on Ivermectin currently going on in the US. All 3 of them are still recruiting test subjects, so I presume they haven’t gone very far in their research yet.
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2e/
@ Ilargi;
Give me a day or two, I am pretty well swamped with work today. But I’ll send along a synopsis as soon as I can to the automatic earth email address.It’s pretty amazing stuff in that interview. The doctor presenting her findings, by the way, does in fact exist and has quite an extensive curriculum vitae.
I have just begun to your articles for today’s lineup, but stopped to speed-read parts of the article, “Hearing # 37 of German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee. 30 January, 2021”.
http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/
Holy mother of God! There is some horrible shit in there. You could write numerous posts just on this one interview alone. How could this hearing not have gotten press around the planet? And the US has just approved the Pfizer/BioNtech vax, which is the main vaccine being discussed at this hearing.
I know the interview is lengthy, but people would do well to read the damn thing. Nobody would take the Mrna vaccines if they knew the crap that went into them, the lack of testing protocol, the shortcuts taken, the contaminants in them, the arbitrary dosing, and the inherent dangers contained within them.
The committee points out they will be sending the information presented in the hearing to the US – since the interview was done in January, I assume the US had the written report well before this summer.
This is simply appalling.
Hey, our product is almost as crappy as theirs – so you should approve our booster shots, too!
Moderna has applied for approval for boosters of its vaccine from the FDA and their argument is that their vaccine is pretty much as useless as Pfizer’s. Seriously, that is the gist of their presentation.
I read this article from Reuters, and am baffled that anyone can miss the very weirdness of Moderna’s pitch, which is to badmouth their own product in order to get booster approval. Strange marketing technique: you need more of this item because the original is so poor at doing what we said it would do that we will prove to you that you will have to buy replacement parts from us into the indefinite future as well.
Would you buy a can opener or a car from these people? Probably not, but you’ll buy a vaccine from them and inject it into your freaking body.
Very strange times we live in. I don’t think the president of Moderna or the reporter who wrote the article quite understand how very odd the whole thing is.
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CHICAGO, Sept 15 (Reuters) – New data from Moderna Inc’s (MRNA.O) large COVID-19 vaccine trial shows that the protection it offers wanes over time, supporting the case for booster doses, the company said in a news release on Wednesday.
“This is only one estimate, but we do believe this means as you look toward the fall and winter, at minimum we expect the estimated impact of waning immunity would be 600,000 additional cases of COVID-19,” Moderna President Stephen Hoge said on a conference call with investors.
Hoge did not project how many of the cases would be severe, but said some would require hospitalization. […]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-protection-wanes-makes-case-booster-2021-09-15/
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It’s not a long article. Take a minute to read it and see how hard they are selling the idea that you will need boosters from them, too – it’s not just Pfizer that made a really worthless “vaccine”.So channel 7 news in Detroit put up a Facebook post that asked people to share stories about their loved ones who died from Covid after refusing a vaccine. (They’re working on some propaganda and would like your help.)
I do not belong to Facebook, so am limited in the number of replies I can read; however, I was allowed to see the first 120 comments (out of a total of over 22,000 generated by the Facebook post) and there was not one story about losing an unvaccinated person to Covid. All but three of the comments I could read were about death or disastrous illness/handicap that happened to people after getting the vaccines. (The 3 outliers consisted of two that mentioned this is childhood cancer month and one that said ‘how about you talk about healthy lifestyles to prevent covid?’)
The stories are heartbreaking. I assume that some are untrue, because, you know – people on Facebook – but still it is shocking to see so many adverse effects from the vaccines all in a row like that.
https://www.facebook.com/80221381134/posts/10158207967261135/?d=n
@ upstateNYer:
“Is the vaccination rate the percentage of the ENTIRE population, or is it the percentage of the population that is eligible for vaccination?”I was just goofing around with some numbers last night on that very question. I was curious because Biden mentioned the “80 million” who have not been vaccinated, which did not jive with the idea that the US is only at 53% fully vaccinated. The following is for here in the US.
We have roughly 331 million people in the US. Of those, 258 mm are adults and 73 mm are under age18 yrs old (i.e.; children). Per the CDC, “Emergency Use Authorization has been granted for use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine among people aged 12 and older and for use of both the Moderna vaccine and the Johnson and Johnson Janssen vaccine among people aged 18 and older. Therefore, vaccine use is limited among those under age 18.” So most of the vaccinated are going to be adults – that is simply a given at this point.
When Biden says 80 mm people still need to be vaccinated, he is talking about the adult population, since he cannot mandate for those under 18 – at least, not yet, he can’t.
My numbers come from the latest Census Bureau numbers (2020). 331 million total population in USA; 258 million are adults, 73 million are under the age of 18.
The arithmetic works like this:
331 mm people in US – 73 mm children = 258 mm adults that are eligible to be vaxxed.258 mm adults – 177 mm fully vaxxed (current number of fully vaccinated in US) = 81 mm adults that are not fully vaccinated. These are the ones Biden is threatening with his mandates.
Oddly, a different parameter is used when they talk about the percentage of people fully vaxxed in the US. I keep reading that the percentage of fully vaxxed is about 53% right now. Well, if 177 mm people are fully vaccinated, that is 53% of the entire population of 331 mm. But it is 69% of the adult population, which is the only group eligible to take the vaccines at their own request. Anyone under the age of 18 needs parental approval and cannot be threatened with vaccine mandates and the like. I guess they use the 53% figure rather than the 69% figure because they want to complain we need more people vaccinated. They want 100% vaccine rate, and that means they want everyone from infancy on up. However, the fact is that roughly 69% of those eligible to be vaccinated already are. (Which, by the way, surpasses Fauci’s original statement of the number we supposedly needed for his “herd immunity” concept.)
When I saw your question, I went to the CDC numbers. You can find the demographics here:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographic
The CDC numbers are pretty rough because not all jurisdictions report all numbers the same way, and some don’t report at all….the CDC website admits they are just estimating some of the numbers when it comes to age groups, sexes and races. I find the CDC charts to be poorly designed and difficult to read. The graphs are in tiny print and the numbers offer too large a range. But you can get a gist of what’s going on with the vaccination rates. No doubt they have other choices of graph designs available, but I kind of got tired of the project and didn’t bother to screw around with it any more after I verified that it pretty much bore out my estimates.
Anyway, Biden says we need to “protect the vaccinated workers from the unvaccinated”, which is seriously the most egregiously non-endorsement endorsement of a product I have ever heard, so let’s all do our part to protect the ones who are already “protected”. And get more boosters every month to protect them even better. But who will protect them when we run out of the unvaccinated? Because it sure doesn’t look like the vaccinated can protect the vaccinated.
It all reminds me of the commercial that had my two sons cracking up some years ago. A product to help with “restless leg syndrome”. The commercial showed an airplane traveler seeking relief from his restless leg syndrome. He took the wonder drug and felt so-o-o relaxed on his trip across country. One of the mentioned side effects of the drug was “uncontrollable diarrhea”. Can you imagine being trapped in coach, one tiny bathroom available for all the passengers, and you have uncontrollable diarrhea? We all agreed we’d rather have restless legs, whatever the hell those are.
Yeah. American pharmaceuticals. A wonderment to behold.
Biden did not even mention the people who have already had covid and so are protected by natural immunity. He is just demanding that everyone get the vaccines – no exception for the ones who recovered from an infection. I have not read any mainstream media articles that mention this group or Biden’s remarkable failure to account for them. Likewise, Fauci never mentions them either, which is even more odd since he is the supposed expert in immunology/pandemics/viruses.
I did not actually believe this sort of thing would come to pass, but here we are. This is going to be a very rough situation for quite some time, I fear. World gone mad.
A little humor for this dark crap that is raining down. Sorry, I got nothing else right this minute:
“Damn! We’re in a tight spot!”
Oops, I spelled “persuasion” incorrectly in my poor above. Funny how spell-check doesn’t catch the words that really are misspelled and flags the ones that aren’t.
@Ilargi: “teri, I started reading that and can’t tell it from Babylon Bee. Too many people catching is just more testing.”Yes, there is that. But how on god’s green earth can Fauci keep altering what he says is the goal without people noticing? Herd immunity is herd immunity, whether it comes from the magical, mysterious vaccines (snort) or from catching the disease. He kept saying we needed herd immunity. Now he demands immunity only via vaccines. What’s that? A better form of immunity? Clearly he is panicked because if the damn vaccines worked, there wouldn’t be so many people getting covid right now. It’s becoming a tad obvious that they do not want any unvaccinated as a control group, in case this uptick in positivity is ADE or OAS [original antigenic sin].
@polder dweller:
“Read the Vanden Bossche piece I posted above and you will understand a lot better why the existing vaccines will never bring us herd immunity and are only exacerbating the problem. Early treatment is far and away the best way forward and the best way to achieve HI.”I knew that without reading the latest vanden Bossche. He’s a bit over the top for my taste, but the same things are being said by so many other doctors and virologists that one can find similar conclusions all over the place now, should one simply look. The problems with the current vaccines vis a vis herd immunity was kind of my point when I mentioned Fauci and his foggy blather.
@Antidote: “Some may enjoy this as well, a good take from Nina Power.”Excellent essay. Thank you for the link.
Fauci today:
Americans are now getting infected with COVID-19 at 10 times the rate needed to end the pandemic, which will persist until more people get vaccinated, NIAID director Anthony Fauci tells Axios.
Threat level: “The endgame is to suppress the virus. Right now, we’re still in pandemic mode, because we have 160,000 new infections a day. That’s not even modestly good control … which means it’s a public health threat.”
“In a country of our size, you can’t be hanging around and having 100,000 infections a day. You’ve got to get well below 10,000 before you start feeling comfortable,” Fauci says.
Once enough people have been vaccinated, he adds, “you’ll still get some people getting infected, but you’re not going to have it as a public health threat.”
Between the lines: Despite all of the buzz about the Mu variant, which appears to elude some protective properties of authorized vaccines and prior infections, the Delta variant continues to dominate in the U.S. and around the world.
The good news: Fauci says this means currently authorized vaccinations are still effective.
The bad news: Not enough Americans are taking measures against the Delta variant, which has already upped the stakes.
And, the longer it takes to end this pandemic phase, the bigger the chance we’ll end up with a “monster variant” that not only eludes vaccines but also is dangerously transmissible.https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-dont-even-modestly-good-094535952.html
Now I am really confused. We already know that the vaccines aren’t specific to Delta (they were made for the Alpha variant) and they absolutely won’t handle Mu. Not sure what happened to the seven letters between Delta and Mu; they seem to have done gone missing. But more to the point, I thought that the way you reach “herd immunity” is for more people to be exposed to and presumably catch the Dread Covid and then be immune, adding as well the people who are immune from vaccination (should any such people exist). But now there are too many people catching it. We must have hit Perfected Herd Immunity at some point without realizing it, then breeched the perfect number and gone straight into the Bad Herd Immunity category. Or something.
Huh. Sounds like we are following the Crystal Blue Persuation method of medicine.
Just got a phone call from my older brother. My 29-year-old niece had a severe stroke last week. (Clot in her brain.) Had the Pfizer vaccine; not sure exactly when. In hospital, but off ventilator, can speak, can get up and take a few steps with a walker, but will have to be in rehab for some months trying to get left arm and leg working properly again. Not sure of long-term prognosis yet. Will be on prescribed blood thinners the rest of her life. She has an 8-year-old daughter.
This shit isn’t just statistics any more. Not to me, anyway.
Best of luck to everyone. Light a candle if you are so inclined.
– TeriStudy published 23 July 2021, from Doctors for Covid Ethics. How the mRNA injections work. Summary of the findings of an animal study which Pfizer submitted to Japanese health authorities in 2020. [bolding in below excerpts are mine]
Opening from study:
Abstract
We summarize the findings of an animal study which Pfizer submitted to the Japanese health authorities in 2020, and which pertained to the distribution and elimination of a model mRNA vaccine. We show that this study clearly presaged grave risks of blood clotting and other adverse effects. The failure to monitor and assess these risks in the subsequent clinical trials, and the grossly negligent review process in conjunction with the emergency use authorizations, have predictably resulted in an unprecedented medical disaster. […]Conclusions from study:
Summary
Pfizer’s animal data clearly presaged the following risks and dangers:
• blood clotting shortly after vaccination, potentially leading to heart attacks, stroke, and venous thrombosis
• grave harm to female fertility • grave harm to breastfed infants • cumulative toxicity after multiple injections
With the exception of female fertility, which can simply not be evaluated within the short period of time for which the vaccines have been in use, all of the above risks have been substantiated since the vaccines have been rolled out—all are manifest in the reports to the various adverse event registries [9]. Those registries also contain a very considerable number of reports on abortions and stillbirths shortly after vaccination, which should have prompted urgent investigation.
We must emphasize again that each of these risks could readily be inferred from the cited limited preclinical data, but were not followed up with appropriate in- depth investigations. In particular, the clinical trials did not monitor any laboratory parameters that could have provided information on these risks, such as those related to blood coagulation (e.g. D-dimers/thrombocytes), muscle cell damage (e.g. troponin/creatine kinase), or liver damage (e.g. γ-glutamyltransferase). That the various regulatory agencies granted emergency use authorization based on such incomplete and insufficient data amounts to nothing less than gross negligence.
Of particularly grave concern is the very slow elimination of the toxic cationic lipids. In persons repeatedly injected with mRNA vaccines containing these lipids— be they directed against COVID, or any other pathogen or disease—this would result in cumulative toxicity. There is a real possibility that cationic lipids will accumulate in the ovaries. The implied grave risk to female fertility demands the most urgent attention of the public and of the health authorities.
Since the so-called clinical trials were carried out with such negligence, the real trials are occurring only now—on a massive scale, and with devastating results. This vaccine, and others, are often called “experimental.” Calling off this failed experiment is long overdue. Continuing or even mandating the use of this poisonous vaccine, and the apparently imminent issuance of full approval for it are crimes against humanity.https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Pfizer-pharmacokinetics-and-toxicity.pdf
From the Mayo Clinic, Dr. Ryan Cole, a board certified pathologist with a PhD in immunology and virology, talks about the toxicity of the MRNA vaccines: (17 minutes):
@ Archie – How did you do the link to the exact comment like that?
@ Ilargi – Didn’t mean to irritate you. My link was to the particular article at Nakedcapitism (the morning “links 8/10” article) that contained the exact comment you wanted to read. It’s their daily news compiler article which really is a stand-alone article. My link doesn’t take you just to their website, it takes you to that one article. The comments are under the article. I just didn’t know how to separate out one comment from the rest.
I had just happened to read that article and the comments before I came here, so I knew where the comment was. But obviously I need to learn how to link to a single comment. Sorry about that.
Hey, I have a funny thing going on here the past couple of weeks. When I come here to the home page at TAE, Ilargi’s post will show a certain number of comments up at the top of the article, but when I actually get down to the comment section, there will be fewer comments than what it says at the top. Just now, it claims at the top of the article that there are 78 comments. There are actually 74 comments according to the count at the bottom of the page. Odd. I’ve tried switching browsers and reloading the pages, but I still get different numbers top and bottom. Anyone know what causes that?
Ilargi,
IMDOC’s comment is on this comment thread:
Just scroll down through comments and you will quickly find it. I cannot figure out how to link to an individual comment.
On another topic:
Like in ‘Postapocalyptic Movies’: Heat Wave Killed Marine Wildlife en Massehttps://www.yahoo.com/news/postapocalyptic-movies-heat-wave-killed-140818297.html
RE: Trump’s statement on origins of Covid (“…I have been proven right (once again) ….Chinese Communist Party should pay $10 trillion in global reparations….”): Seems to me everyone is blithely ignoring how this theory that the virus was released – intentionally or accidentally – because the lab in Wuhan was doing bat virus research also points a finger at the Trump administration’s participation in said research.
Let’s for the moment say that it turns out that human Covid was in fact man-made in a lab and did not come from animals in an organic transmission. Let’s further say that it specifically came from gain-of-function research being done in the Wuhan lab and through carelessness, they released the bugger into the population causing the pandemic.
Now let’s look at some timelines and the US involvement with this particular laboratory and with gain-of-function (GoF) research in general.
In 2014, the U.S. government put a pause on new funding of gain-of-function research world-wide. It had already halted all domestic GoF research in 2011. (This was under Obama.)
The pause — intended to provide time to address concerns about the risks and benefits of these studies — applied to certain research on influenza, MERS and SARS. Covid is, as we know, a SARS virus and was included in the moratorium of funding.On Dec. 19, 2017, the U.S. government’s pause, or moratorium, was lifted. It was the Trump administration, in other words, that resumed new federal funding of GoF research in virology labs.
In 2014 (Obama), the NIH had already awarded a 5-year grant to the U.S.-based “EcoHealth Alliance” group to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. This study was allowed to continue as the funding was granted before the moratorium. The study was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and involved teams of scientists from various countries, including US scientists. (This is how the government retroactively explains all kinds of shit it does – “we had to let them keep the money because it wasn’t illegal when we first gave it to them, blah, blah, blah.” I think this is how they explain staying in Afghanistan. “We already allocated the money, might as well blow someone up.”) By 2018, EcoHealth was getting about 15 million/year from government agencies under Trump, who had lifted the moratorium on new funding of such research several years previously. In 2019, Trump renewed the grant for another 5 years.
In one instance, EcoHealth Alliance helped fund research that created a new infectious pathogen using the molecular structure of the SARS virus. The aim of the study, according to the researchers, was to warn of the potential risk of a SARS-related virus re-emerging from bats.
One of the paper’s authors was a prominent Wuhan virologist, Shi Zhengli. NIAID (under Fauci) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) are cited as financial supporters of the research.
The Trump administration finally canceled EcoHealth’s grant in April 2020. (Uh, too late. This was 3 months after Covid had already entered the US.) Then for some reason the NIH reinstated the grant in July 2020, but claimed they had temporarily suspended EcoHealth’s “research activities”. Maybe it’s just me, but I find it dubious that someone would give a research grant to a research company to do research at a research facility with the addendum demand that they not use it for, um, research. Apparently, Fauci, who was by then working directly under Trump, had something to do with the funding going to EcoHealth and GoF research but Trump clearly knew about it.
In an April 17, 2020 White House coronavirus briefing, a reporter stated that “US intelligence is saying this week that the coronavirus likely came from a level 4 lab in Wuhan,” and that the NIH had awarded a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan lab. “Why would the US give a grant like that to China?” she asked. “We will end that grant very quickly,” Trump said. This exchange shows Trump knew about the grant money going to Wuhan. He did in fact cancel the funding right quick after that reporter’s question, which hit too close to home, and I can’t remember anyone bringing the subject up again.
Maybe someone ought to. If (and this is seriously an “if”, since we don’t know anything for sure yet) Covid in humans was caused by a gain-of-function experiment released from the Wuhan lab, the US is partly to blame because Trump allowed and funded that research after Obama had ended it. You’d think Trump wouldn’t be yapping so much about how “right” he was under the circumstances. On the other hand, the press seems to have completely rehabilitated Bush and Obama, so maybe Trump will never be held responsible for his malfeasance either.
@ V Arnold;
Today, the Trump administration filed an appeal against the UK decision not to extradite Assange. I must imagine that means that Trump has no intention of pardoning Assange.
Trump is an asshole and a terrible human being. I have no idea what he has done for anyone that makes him popular – unless one is very wealthy and/or hates all forms of functioning government that serves the commons. Spent his last day in office still trying to extradite Assange and writing some more executive orders, which haven’t been revealed to the public yet.
@ Madamski,
You objected to my calling the Trump supporters dumb, so I explained why I thought they were dumb. I did not claim that Trump fans are dumber than Obama (or Bush or Clinton, etc., ad nauseum) fans, just that Trump fans are dumb to support him after four years of proof that he isn’t working for their best interests. Now you correctly point out that blind support for any of these lying politicians is a mistaken effort. I think so, too. So we agree. However, I think you kind of moved the goal post a little bit there. I could have, in my original post, added that Trump supporters who still support him today are as dumb as people who supported Obama’s second election, but I was not talking about Obama. My topic was Trump.
For what it’s worth, I did not vote for Obama either time he ran, nor did I vote for either of his Republican opponents. I did not vote for Trump (blindingly ignorant bullshitter) nor for the war-pig Clinton (shudder) in 2016. I did alter my registration from Independent to Democrat so I could vote for Sanders in the primaries, and then changed my registration back to Independent for the general, in both 2016 and in 2020. Independents don’t get to vote in the primaries in my state. We’ve only had really bad candidates to choose from in the general elections for many years now, in any case. I think Sanders is sincere, but the dude is totally sideswiped by the Democrat machine all the time because the Democrats are no more inclined to his gentle socialism than the Republicans are.
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@ Wes,Sigh. I wasn’t talking about Obama. I was talking about Trump. We can do the whole “what about” comparison thing all the way back to George Washington if you want. But I don’t want to. Your response implies that you assume that if I don’t like Trump, I must have liked Obama. So you proceed to list his failings for me. But I never liked Obama, did not vote for him either time, and am well aware of his bullshit and broken promises to the people. I’m not sure why people have been doing this for the past four years, but every time someone says they object to Trump, immediately someone else will bring up Obama as though he were some valid excuse for everything Trump does. Oddly, when Obama was in office, nobody allowed others to make excuses for Obama’s bad decisions by blaming his predecessor, Bush.
My feeling is that each president has to answer for his own personal failures and should be held responsible for them. Obama was a bad president. So is Trump. One is not responsible for the other, however, and their individual morality and policy decisions, and the ramifications of these on the citizenry, are faults of nobody but themselves. The rhetorical device of saying “but Obama did” when I say “Trump” is straw-manning.
And aside from that, if I had wanted to talk about Obama’s performance in office, I could have provided a way more damning list than you did. (Some of your statements are not accurate, actually, but since I would have had much more vitriol to aim at Obama myself – had he been the subject I was commenting on – I won’t quibble over the minor details.)
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@ sumac.carol,I am so sorry to hear of this loss in your family. Blessings on all your mother’s children.
