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  • in reply to: A Modest Plan #38538
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Nassim, I would like to try to stretch your imagination just a bit.
    The wars in the Middle are not Israeli state wars. Let that sink in. I know that’s the Money Power financed narrative, which is why everyone ought to consider how it might be completely wrong.
    Rather, the wars in the Middle East are all about SETTING UP DEBT-BASED MONEY CENTRAL BANK CONTROL MECHANISMS SO THE MONEY POWER CAN COVERTLY SEIZE CONTROL OF THESE NATIONS IN THEIR BID TO SEIZE CONTROL OF THE WORLD FROM, SHALL WE SAY, BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

    Review the history of modern warfare in the contest of BIS controlled central banks – a near perfect trend develops rather quickly.

    The people of the nation state called Israel are under Debt-Money Tyranny, just like the rest of us. They are being systematically asset stripped and impoverished like the rest of us.

    The Money Power is supranational and they are waging war against ALL ORDINARY PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE.

    Their goal is to have “the little people” blame anyone (Trump) or anything (the entire state of Israel, or even just its government) INSTEAD OF THE BLAME LANDING ON THEMSELVES, THE HIDDEN FINANCING POWER IN CONTROL OF BOTH TRUMP AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL (AND EVERYTHING ELSE BIG IN THE WESTERN WORLD).

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    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    ~Lord Acton

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ~Napoleon Bonaparte

    “Let the American people go into their debt-funding schemes and banking systems, and from that hour their boasted independence will be a mere phantom.”
    ~William Pitt, (referring to the inauguration of the first National Bank in the United States under Alexander Hamilton).

    How To Be a Crook

    Poverty – Debt Is Not a Choice

    Renaissance 2.0 The Rise of [Debt-Money Monopolist] Financial Empire

    Debunking Money

    Krugman (and each MIT economist professor – THEY KNOW AND THEY OCCULT!) is a Goebbelsian propagandist as he covers the crimes of wolves with his fake sheep suit and lisp.

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the money system!”

    And It’s Gone

    “The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country, than the coward who deserts her in the hour of danger.”
    ~Andrew Jackson

    in reply to: A Modest Plan #38537
    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>But hold on: you have to remember, they’re politicians; they may be dishonest but they’re not stupid. Let’s try a scenario to see what they’re thinking:<<
    Let me point out the ELEPHANT In the middle of the room that everyone likes to pretend doesn’t exist.
    THE MONEY POWER.
    Trump was FINANCED AND PROMOTED INTO OSTENSIBLE “POWER” BY THE MONEY POWER THROUGH THE MEGA-CORPORATIONS THEY OWN AND CONTROL.

    Why would Trump tie himself to something he already publicly admitted was a BUBBLE in 2016?

    BECAUSE THE MONEY POWER DOESN’T WANT TO BE BLAMED FOR ORCHESTRATING THE DEBT-MONEY BUBBLE AND RESULTING BUST, THAT’S WHY.

    THEY HIRED DONALD J. TRUMP TO TAKE THE HEAT FOR THEM, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE’S SETTING UP TO DO, AND IT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WILL DO WHEN THE TIME COMES.

    The Don made a DEAL, not with the little people, BUT WITH THE MONEY POWER.

    This is 2+2=4 in Money Power politics.

    in reply to: Bitcoin Doesn’t Exist – 3 #37564
    TheTrivium4TW
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    Hi Clueless, the first step is to get the Money Power out of the hands of the private cartel of people that currently control it – and they control it globally. Here’s some history they don’t teach in Money Power programming institutions called schools – whenever they attack a country, one of the first things they do is set up a debt-money based central bank. There has never been a debt-money central bank that has fought another debt-money central bank country – because once that debt-money bank is set up, the whole society has become a vassal to their Money Power Overlords. This may change when they implode Europe and the world (should happen while Trump is in office), but only because the Money Power wants it to happen.

    How To Be a Crook

    Poverty – Debt Is Not a Choice

    Renaissance 2.0 The Rise of [Debt-Money Monopolist] Financial Empire

    It’s not about the shoes, money, it’s about the Money Power, money…

    in reply to: Bitcoin Doesn’t Exist – 3 #37563
    TheTrivium4TW
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    DR. D., nice clear elucidation on the machinations of the Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Near-Global Fascist Empire.
    Since nearly everything is a setup, I tend to look for setups.
    I doubt that Bitcoin was created outside of the sphere of influence of the Money Power and their assets. IOW, they were almost certainly involved from the beginning. Believe the propaganda if you must, but keep one eye open.
    Bitcoin is soaking up money from something else, most probably gold and silver.
    All Bitcoin needs to be nullified is a Money Power false flag and blaming the financing on Bitcoin… The Money Power Fascist Government outlaws Bitcoin… wipes out the types of people who flock to Bitcoin (and Banksters would love to wipe out that crowd, no?).

    PS – According to MIT research Stephanie Seneff, 80% of male babies will eventually be diagnosed with autism by 2032 if the current exponential growth rate of diagnoses doesn’t drop from its current path (50% of children, 80% of boys).
    If you care about humanity, I **highly recommend** you review and save the research of one of the fallen heroes of our age, Dr. Andrew Moulden (he’s a true hero, of course, you’ve never heard of him).
    His intellect reminds me of Nicole Foss’ intellect – he’s a sharp cookie. He had a B.A., an M.A., and M.D., and a Ph. D. in Neurophysiology, and was top of his classes all the way. He was being trained to head the management of the Canadian medical system.
    Then it happened.
    What is it? Well, he figured out a specific and probably mechanism through which aluminum in vaccination was flocculating the blood and creating micro-strokes in our tissues. These are especially important in watershed locations where only one capillary system feeds the tissue.
    In addition, he specifically identified physical effects of this brain related neurological damage and was teaching parents how to document the face and eye movements of their children pre-vaccine and post-vaccine. BTW, my son exhibits this “lazy eye” neurological damage and, looking back at his infant photographs, he does not appear to have the same problem prior to his battery of vaccines.
    The damage is cumulative. The aluminum is an uber powered flocculant that “sludges” colloids, and your blood is a colloid. 7 micron diameter blood cells need to fit, single file, into 600,000 thousand miles of capillaries that are 5 microns diameter. 95% of your blood is in this capillary system at any given time, AND YOUR PHYSICIAN IS COMPLETELY BLIND TO IT.

    Dr. Andrew Moulden – if you investigate one thing, investigate Dr. Andrew Moulden’s work.

    Or all your Bitcoin profits taken at the Bankster Bubble top (assuming you keep it when they bankrupt the system by design) might be spent covering for a couple drooling, tortured grand children or grand children.

    in reply to: Left Behind #36139
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    What is the “root cause,” Ilargi, if not the Supranational Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire?

    Is it rational to think one can have a significant impact of EFFECTS when one won’t admit to the CAUSE(S) of those EFFECTS?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 15 2017 #35982
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>However, it’s easy to know they’re lying — everything that’s reported is a lie. What’s difficult is to know what the truth is.<<

    This is completely true.

    >>In a world of lies; the truth becomes obvious; it goes counter to everything mainstream; discretion required…<<

    V, while it is true the truth goes counter to everything mainstream, the truth absolutely is not obvious. I’ve been a purveyor of the Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Supranational Fascist Empire TRUTH for years, yet only a precious few actually “get it.”

    I can prove that defining money creation as an act of issuing debt is a prima facie fraud using 5th grade math and knowledge of double-entry bookkeeping, yet few grasp the simple truth, let alone the implications.

    Ilargi is a smart gentleman. Has he ever even responded to the idea that the debt-based nature of money is prima facie fraud – even though I’ve been posting here for YEARS?

    Does Ilargi ever address the nature of our system being a Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Supranational Fascist Empire?

    He doesn’t get it. And if he does get it, he’s lying through omission and covering up the ROOT CAUSE to the major problems faced by ordinary people today.

    So, no, the truth is NOT easy for people to comprehend. Even the “alt-media.” They play the role of “controlled opposition” better than anything else.

    And Steve Keen doesn’t “get it.” Well, that’s the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that he does “get it,” but was warned to never discuss the prima facie fraud inherent in all debt-money systems.

    Graeber mostly gets it (his language is a bit opaque, like some of his cards are hidden), but doesn’t really hammer it home, nor does he really delve into the implications.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 12 2017 #35906
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    ZeroSum, Oh Ya!, indeed

    Here’s another breakdown…

    And another…

    It is so simple, which is why it has to be IGNORED.

    Omissions is the most effective form of lie, at least according to Orwell and my observation.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 12 2017 #35904
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>“There are none so blind as those who will not see” normally turns up in religion, but there is no other way to describe the dominant sect in economics today as wilfully blind.<<

    I will add another sector that is rife with willful blindness… CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.

    Steve Keen exposed himself as such during the discussion in the comments section of this article… Click on the article, click on the comments section, and then read the comments.

    The Principal And Interest On Debt Myth
    https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/&refURL=&referrer=#5b03317a1c76

    Now, if you think there is any possible way to justify Steve Keen’s erroneous claims in that Comments section discussion, lay out your case.

    I triple dog dare ya.

    Steve Keen couldn’t do it – and he ran away relying on the guppy-like attention span of modern day helots for cover. And I’m under no illusion that Steve Keen isn’t wicked smart. He is. He understood what was being communicated to him, he only pretended to be baffled. You know, following Sun Tzu’;s Art of War advice to “pretend inferiority.”

    Steve Keen acts like a Benedict Arnold. He pretends to be your friend, but his real role is to act as controlled opposition and keep the truth out of the minds of the masses.

    The truth is that debt-based monetary systems are prima facie frauds from the ground up. They are artificial zero-sum balance sheet games where one person’s wealth is, by arbitrary definition, another persons inextinguishable-debt poverty.

    Poverty is a feature of debt-money systems, not a bug.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to effectively care for the oppressed in the world and fail to call out debt-money systems as the primary source of that oppression. To think otherwise is, well, why there are no solutions.

    By Lietaer’s account, Paul Krugman knows, as do the high level economics professors at MIT…

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the [debt-]money system!”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 24 2017 #35616
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    If you want a rather close analogy from the Debt-Money Monopolist financed Major Media Complex, look no further than their They Live Mockumentary and its concept of “human power elite” who sold out to the “aliens” (aliens fill in for the Money Power controllers).

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people (“we”) versus the banks (“they”).”
    ~Lord Acton

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ~Napoleon Bonaparte

    “No motherland” (supra-national)

    “Without patriotism” (supra-national)

    “They” = Debt-Money Monopolist Money Power

    “We” = Everyone else, including ALL ordinary people (white, black, Jew, Asian, Indian, native, tall, small, thick, thin, blue eyes, green eyes, brown eyes… none of it matter… we are NOT in the Money Power club).

    Until this REALITY pervades the consciousness of the masses, we are like a native signing a contract that gives Manhattan to the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascist agents WHEN WE CAN’T EVEN READ THE LANGUAGE!

    “Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
    ~President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Speech
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    “The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 24 2017 #35615
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>We’ve done so well sending our entire business and industry overseas?<<

    Hi Good doctor, as you well know, “We” doesn’t apply to America’s decisions. The truth is, ordinary people have almost no say at all in what “America” does.

    The Debt-Money Monopolist Fascists (they control major industry and government via their control over the debt-money system) do, however.

    But I will argue, to the day I die, that the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascists are not “we,” they are “they,” and any use of the language that confuses this absolute truth is a disservice to the confused listener that actually thinks the “we” decision maker includes ordinary people.

    There is a reason that Socrates thought a lot… about words.

    There is a reason that Confucius realized the following truth:

    “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper (accurate) name (word).”

    There is a reason that Cicero called the traitors, those posing as “we,” but are truly “they,” the plague:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 22 2017 #35578
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>What will those financial wizards suggest when it gets to a stage when everybody’s income goes into paying interest on their loans? Once a man’s wage was sufficient to support his family. Now both have to work full time and put their children into care. The world is mad.<<

    Patricia, the world makes complete sense to the Debt-Money Monopolist Supremacists, which is why they financed it into existence. They use debt as bonds (ha, ha, get it, they even call their debt instruments “bonds” and the debt-slaves still can’t get it) to enslave and control billions of people. They use the proceeds of the money they rent to the rest of us to control everything big and socially important. They don’t value ordinary human life (regardless of characteristic like race, or religion) anymore than you value ants or rodents. They may even actually enjoy the degradation and death of ordinary humans… some people are petty like that and, well, when you control the Money Power and NOBODY in the establishment is willing to call you out on it, you can pretty much run roughshod in any manner you deem appropriate.

    You live in a Bankster Paradise – a Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire or, if you will, Roman Empire 2.0. Did Nero respect the ordinary people he controlled? Why expect the Banksters to do so?

    A good analogy is to picture a woman in fine robes with lots of gold riding upon a beast empire system, an empire system that once had a man named Nero, and the number of Nero’s name was 666 (or 616, depending on methodology). Oh, and this “woman” has illicit relations with all the nations (through control of their governments they finance into existence).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 12 2017 #35444
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Folks, you are all being played. There is little more risk now than last year. North Korea would be suicidal to attack the U.S. It doesn’t make sense.
    Remember when Syria was going to nuke the US when the Debt-Money Monopolists made a serious bid to wage international war crimes and overthrow Assad (the way Hitler overthrew Poland… and you all think our nation is different than 1940s Germany.).
    Remember those lies? Remember the lies that Saddam was going to hit us with all that WMD?
    Why do you still believe these liars?
    Isn’t it interesting that North Korea all of sudden jumps to the front of the line the INSTANT the international war crime of funding al Qaeda types to overthrow the Syrian government was taken off the table (only to maintain the semblance of a governing duopoly?). That Un, guy sure does align his actions with the financial interests of the Debt-Money Monopolists.
    Now, I’m not saying there won’t be a war or more international war crimes.
    What I’m saying is that the Debt-Money Monopolists will be behind it.
    And in front of it.
    And to the left of it.
    And to the right of it.
    And above it.
    And below it.

    “All war is deception.”
    ~Sun Tzu, Art of War

    “Know your enemy.”
    ~Sun Tzu, Art of War

    PS – Remember how the BanksterMedia said Gaddafi had to go because he was attacking his own people (al Qaeda) and that was bad? Well, they are silent now that al Qaeda is attacking far more people in what is now a relative HELL-HOLE. You think the BanksterMedia cares about ordinary people? Nope, they care about their paycheck and the interests of the sulfur smelling demons who hand it out to them.

    in reply to: It’s Time To Support Your President, America #35443
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>The U.S. propaganda machine is full tilt boogy, going after Kim Jong Un and he knows full well what that means.<<

    The “U.S.,” whatever you imagine that to be, doesn’t control the propaganda machine, the private cartel of Debt-Money Monopolists control the propaganda machine. They also gave Trump $2 billion in free advertising, and they also financed the Justice Department to “October Surprise” Hillary with a legitimate criminal investigation that they outlined in detailed – AND THEN FAILED TO PROSECUTE FOR THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTED CRIME. Why announce an investigation when you have no intent to prosecute even if they are caught red handed and guilty? The only answer was to promote Bankster candidate Donald J. Trump. Remember how much he crooned about the great banks, despite their criminality, in his first debate with Hillary? I do.

    The Bankster methodologies aren’t even that sophisticated. They pretended to despise the Federal Reserve Act, too. Gullible suckers fell for that misdirection, too.

    in reply to: It’s Time To Support Your President, America #35442
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>Excellent and coherent post, Ilargi. Trump MAY be the only barricade we have to becoming another Greece that is slowly and helplessly suffocated by the Zioglobalists. Hillary or one of the establishment Republican candidates would have been the kiss of death.<<
    Trump works for the Debt-Money Monopolists and their “human power elite” (reference to the movie They Live) and he’s their Chosen One to usher in the collapse and force the national bankruptcy down our throats.
    Watch in wonder… but it makes absolutely perfect sense to those not still controlled by the Debt-Money Matrix programming.

    in reply to: It’s Time To Support Your President, America #35441
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Ilargi, do you not know that the two parties are a political false dichotomy financed by a monolithic Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire?
    I won’t be supporting the latest Debt-Money Monopolist Presidential quisling, nor will by a supporting the “human power elite” traitors that surround him…
    President Trump works for the Banksters that rigged the system to implode in a fiery spoked pit of debt-money bubble busting deflation… and you want people to follow him?

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 30 2017 #34835
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    All excellent comments. Let me add contextual insight.
    1. Arnold, you only viewing the chess board. The US, Europe, etc… are chess pieces. There is a “chess master.” I’ll give you a hint – it is the Debt-Money Monopolist (DMM) Money Power that are financing and orchestrating the events in both the US and Europe (and every other central bank debt-money controlled country). The non-central-bank-controlled countries are either being overthrown or on a list to be overthrown.
    2. Jef, this is exactly correct. The Mega-Corporate Military complex is a HUGE percentage of our entire economy right now… and, as Ilargi points out, our debt saturated economy. A loss of revenues would collapse the debt-money induced bubble and the Greatest Depression 2.0 would ensue almost immediately (it will happen eventually, and almost certainly under the DMM Trump Scapegoat). Again, this is the agenda of the Debt-Money Monopolists so the Plebiscite vote can do nothing to stop it. The DMM financed everything big… Big Media, Big Politician, Big Government, Big Schooling, etc… and, therefore, they CONTROL everything big, at least on the big issues.

    “He who PAYS the piper, CALLS THE TUNE.” It is elementary, my dear Watson.

    3. GlobalDan, you see the effects of the monolithic Debt-Money Monopolist controlling BOTH their financial territories… the US and Europe. In fact, they control every country with a debt-money central bank and they wage war on every country without a debt-money central bank; Ukraine and Libya were the latest two to fall and now Syria, North Korea, and Iran are on the short list.

    Quick (or not), try to name a BIS debt-money central bank country that ever waged war against another BIS debt-money central bank country? It isn’t easy to find even a single example. That’s not to say it won’t happen in the future according to a Debt-Money Monopolist Machiavellian agenda, though.

    And yes, Paul Krugman knows the debt-money system is a fraud, as do the MIT professors that threatened him to keep quiet about the debt-money system or else be ostracized from his profession…

    Krugman isn’t dumb. He isn’t incompetent. He is, however, Goebbelsian propagandist in the employ of a Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate front.

    So is Steve Keen, hence his completely irrational response to having the fraud of a debt-money system exposed to him in the following comments section. Notice which commenter her avoided like the plague… the one spitting PRECISE TRUTH to him.

    The Principal And Interest On Debt Myth (technically true, but it exposes the fraud of the system in general and Keen wanted no part in that factual exploration… he tucked tail and ran away)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#700b174b1c76

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 29 2017 #34814
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Diablo,
    You have to consider that it **might** be conditioning the masses to already assume a root cause of a disaster that might be caused by something else. By someone else. Financed by Debt-Money Monopolists, who shall not be touched, just like their debt-money system shall not be touched…

    in reply to: Feeding Frenzy in the Echo Chamber #34800
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Nassim,
    And Paul Krugman got the Nobel Prize in Economics because he “never touches the [debt-]money system…

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the money system!”

    Krugman even threaten Lietaer claiming that, if he didn’t shut up about the fraudulent debt-money system, Lietaer would have no chance to win the Nobel Prize.

    Also note that all the high level MIT professors teach their top students to “never touch the money system, too.”

    in reply to: Feeding Frenzy in the Echo Chamber #34797
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    I really understand the admiration and marvel shown by John in Revelation 17 when he viewed the Debt-Money Monopolist controlled Beast Empire system which is already entrenched and just waiting to reveal its ultimate level of tyranny.
    BTW, the number of the then current empire ruler Nero is 666 and 616.
    The Debt-Money Monopolists are the rulers of the current global Debt-Money Monopolist financed empire. This fits the imagery in Revelations to a “T.”
    Amazing, but absolutely true.

    in reply to: Feeding Frenzy in the Echo Chamber #34796
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Instead of reacting to the Debt-Money Monopolist Kabuki theater for the plebs, let’s analyze it to see what deception is at the root of it. We need to develop the higher orders of our brain in order to work our way out of the cognitive malware environment that has engulfed us since birth.
    In the case of Comey, I think the deception is rather obvious, even if not mentioned by anyone.
    In a Presidential election, a Democrat serving FBI head working for a Democratic President dropped an “October Surprise” announcement on the Democratic nominee that eventually lost the election.
    Think – that doesn’t make sense from the perspective of the political false dichotomy that has the pseudo-Plebians mesmerized, does it?
    If they had done it to the Republican, cries of election manipulation would be incessant, so why do it to their own party? Is that how politics works in almost every other case… each party throwing itself under the bus? No. So, why now?
    The Debt-Money Monopolists finance and control both Democrat, Inc. and Republican, Inc. Word almost assuredly came down to put Trump in office. Yes, the Debt-Money Monopolists control Trump, too, that’s why they gave him $2 billion in free media. If one is actually engaging their thinking process, one would have to be worse than a literal moron to think the Money Power would drop $2 billion in free media on a threat. Give. Me. A. Break.
    Nope, the Debt-Money Monopolist had a massive incentive to make sure Trump was in office.
    Although Nicole’s ability to time the rational behavior of the rationalizing herd is, well, comically, bad, her ultimate conclusions are EXACTLY CORRECT.
    There are two things the Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Empire Fascists do not want when this collapse goes down…
    1. They don’t want the perpetrators of the collapse to be identified and held accountable.
    2. They don’t want the destruction of their very effective false political dichotomy that has served them so well for a very long time.
    Just in case some didn’t catch on, the perpetrators of the debt-money bubble burst collapse are the Debt-Money Monopolist Fascists (they control both the mega-corporatocracy and government)… they don’t want themselves, the true villains, to be identified, called out, and held accountable.
    Blame the Jews all day long. Blame whitey. Blame Israel. Blame minorities. Blame Muslims. Blame anyone and everyone else, BUT NEVER BLAME THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLISTS BY NAME.
    Referring back to the two points listed above, is it now obvious why the Debt-Money Monopolists picked their agent Trump Card to be President and use the Mega-Corporate Media Complex to incessantly demonize him as a villain? It is called conditioning. When the debt-money bubble busts, their Trump Card operative will be blamed and the people will energetically put most blame on Trump.
    Both establishment Democratic, Inc. and Republican, Inc. will claim to not to have support of the Debt-Money Monopolist Trump Card, therefore, the political false dichotomy will stay in tact, at least as much as possible when the economy fully implodes as outlined by Nicole and Ilargi.
    All the psychologically programmed think the Democrats a dead…
    Once the economy collapses and it is blamed on Trump, the Democratic, Inc. Debt-Money Monopolist operative will be a shoe-in. The Debt-Money Monopolists could really flaunt their power over the mind controlled masses by installing Hillary Rodham Clinton as the Democratic, Inc. “nominee.”
    Two-dimensional thinking and reacting to propaganda is not enough to fully comprehend the ultimate human predator that, right here and now, already controls the entire world except for a small handful of countries.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 9 2017 #34473
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Comey is a distraction occulting something far more important.

    One such thing is that both Democrat, Inc. and Republican, Inc. are working hand-in-hand to keep BanksterCare in place because it enriches the Banksters and their corporate fronts while screwing the vast majority of ordinary people.

    If the American people ever pulled their “big boy pants” up and admitted that both parties are beholden to a single Debt-Money Monopolist entity, one which shall not be mentioned even at the Automatic Earth blog, then we could make progress.

    But the Debt-Money Sith mind control, or is that money control?, is simply too strong.

    ———————

    Bernie Sanders made $1 million from the establishment by “fighting” the establishment? NOT! Why are so many people economically illiterate? The establishment doesn’t pay its enemies $1 million.

    Duh! No wonder he went along with the rigging of the election (Bernie likely would have won, but that would’ve dented the agenda of putting Trump in office as a lightening rod on which to project blame for the debt-bubble implosion that will occur during his administration).

    Remember, You can touch everything else, BUT NEVER TOUCH THE MONEY SYSTEM!
    ~Paul Krugman

    in reply to: Those Were The May Days #34472
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>Is it sheer hubris, or is it just incompetence?<<

    “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.”
    ― Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow

    Neither. It is Debt-Money Monopolist financed corruption often employing tactics out of Sun Tzu’s Art of War and Machiavelli’s The Prince. In this case it is Tzu’s “pretend inferiority.”

    The bottom line is that, so long as these people work for the agenda of their Debt-Money Monopolist corporate front financiers, they are alright. The problem arises when they start to get ideas of their own or they challenge the establishment out of compassion for ordinary “useless eaters.”

    Bernie Sanders made $1 million from the establishment by “fighting” the establishment? NOT! Why are so many people economically illiterate? The establishment doesn’t pay its enemies $1 million.

    Duh! No wonder he went along with the rigging of the election (Bernie likely would have won, but that would’ve dented the agenda of putting Trump in office as a lightening rod on which to project blame for the debt-bubble implosion that will occur during his administration).

    Remember, You can touch everything else, BUT NEVER TOUCH THE MONEY SYSTEM!
    ~Paul Krugman

    in reply to: London Bridge is (Broken) Down #34029
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    One borrows money to fix the London Bridge, so the financiers are doing quite well, thank you.

    The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.
    ~Lord Acton

    “The true equation is ‘democracy’ = government by world financiers…The main mark of modern governments is that we do not know who governs, de facto any more than de jure. We see the politician and not his backer; still less the backer of the backer; or what is most important of all, the banker of the backer. Enthroned above all, in a manner without parallel in all past, is the veiled prophet of finance, swaying all men living by a sort of magic, and delivering oracles in a language not understanded [sic] of the people.”
    J.R.R. Tolkien,
    Candour Magazine, 13 July 1956, p. 12

    Collapsing the world’s economies IS THE PLAN OF THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLISTS. Their Mega-Corporate fronts are TBTF&JAIL and they will mop up all the other bankrupt people, companies, and governments.

    Order out of chaos…

    This ex-Dutch high level banking insider reveals a LOT about the inner workings of the Debt-Money Monopolist system…

    Banker: I Was Told to Sacrifice Children at a Debt-Money Monopolist] Illuminati Party
    https://themillenniumreport.com/2017/04/dutch-banker-i-was-told-to-sacrifice-children-at-an-illuminati-party/

    “Unite, unite, come together, and this entire shit story ceases to exist. That’s how fast this could happen.”
    ~Ronald Bernard

    Ephesian 5:11 – And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

    But they can’t unite because NOBODY IS TELLING THEM THE TRUTH EN MASSE.

    Omitting the truth on behalf of the drug running, terrorist financing, white slave running, child slave running, child sacrificing Luciferian Debt-Money Monopolists is aiding and abetting the Dark Side… One can’t serve both God and mammon… or the Debt-Money Monopolists that CONTROL mammon.

    Pick a side – because “lukewarm” isn’t good enough.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 2 2017 #33950
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Most Greeks are toast. You want to be in a good community of like mind and able people who mostly have control over the necessities of life (the more the better). You want to be somewhat away from the hoards. That’s it.

    The Debt-Money Monopoly is still in charge issuing and directing even more debt-money into the system to enslave the masses and the people in the alternate media do a poor job, or none at all, educating the masses. “Touch everything else, but never touch the money system,” ~Paul Krugman to Bernard Lietaer

    Now, some words to the wise… the information covered by Morley Robbins is “gold mine,” IMHO.

    #162 Rethinking Iron Supplementation with Morley Robbins

    Morley has 5 or 6 total interviews on the Live to 110 podcast and you are doing yourself and those you care for a disservice by not listening to all of them and pursuing this line of thought.

    Did you think the Banksters polluted only the money system, oh you of so little imagination? And yes, Rockefeller financed and engineered allopathic medicine right alongside of the debt-based money Federal Reserve system.

    in reply to: Mass Extinction and Mass Insanity #31655
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>In an examined life I maintain that it is a sound moral decision to live in the world as it is.<<
    We don’t have much choice when a small cartel of people have monopoly control over the “operating system,” to use Nicole’s analogy, of society. The create a demand for money whether one works or not (property tax) and then they force you into their debt-money “trap door” system that few people are honest enough to admit exists… and that few goes to ZERO when it comes to anyone with a media presence.

    One can’t change effects if one refuses to admit the root cause of those effects.

    We have to live in there engineered Debt-Money Matrix system but, like Neo and the rest of his bad of resisters, we can learn the Debt-Money Matrix and withdraw some levels of support for it. For example, people of conscience shouldn’t work for the Debt-Money Monopolist Empire Military Empire Complex. Just say “No!” Also, buy local, pay cash, and absolutely minimize business dealing with any Mega-Corporation.

    in reply to: Mass Extinction and Mass Insanity #31651
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The primary exponential function that drives all others is MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

    If you think pollution is bad, it FOLLOWS the growth of debt-money. If you think waste is bad (or even a root cause like Ilargi), it FOLLOWS the growth in debt-money. If you think population growth is bad, it FOLLOWS the growth of money.

    Since it is based on INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT from the perspective of the borrowers (servants), the lenders (masters) have to create more debts or they massively bankrupt existing debtors. This is the REAL REASON FOR INFLATION. The others are PROPAGANDA used to dupe the debt-money illiterate.

    This is 2+2=4 stuff here, Ilargi.

    It is amazing to me how they get people to believe 2+2=5, and they didn’t even resort to torture as they did against Winston Smith.

    “It seems to me that the nature of the ultimate revolution with which we are now faced is precisely this, that we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy, who have always existed and presumably always will exist, to get people actually to love their servitude. This seems to me the ultimate malevolent revolution… This is a problem which has interested me for many years and about which I wrote, 30 years ago, a fable Brave New World which is essentially the account of a society making use of all the devices at that time available and some of the devices which I imagined to be possible, making use of them in order to, first of all, to standardize the population, to iron out inconvenient human differences, to create, so to say, mass produced models of human beings arranged in some kind of a scientific caste system. Since then I have continued to be extremely interested in this problem and I have noticed with increasing dismay that a number of the predictions which were purely fantastic when I made them 30 years ago have come true or seem in process of coming true. A number of techniques about which I talked seem to be here already, and that there seems to be a general movement in the direction of this kind of ultimate revolution, this method of control by which people can be made to enjoy a state of affairs which by any decent standard they ought not to enjoy. I mean the enjoyment of servitude.”
    ~Aldous Huxley

    in reply to: Mass Extinction and Mass Insanity #31649
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>thing is, problem is, glennda, that it is indeed not too late. but only if we all drop whatever we’re doing, right now.<<

    It will always be too late because people like you are busy focusing on effects under the delusion they are root causes.

    IF YOU DON’T COMPREHEND THE ROOT CAUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS SPELLED OUT FOR YOU AND PROVEN USING NOTHING MORE THAN 5TH GRADE MATHEMATICS, THEN YOU WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER SOLVE THE PROBLEM, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPEND ON IT.

    THE ROOT CAUSE IS THE PROBLEM. And the ROOT CAUSE IS THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLY AND THEIR CRIMINAL DEBT-MONEY SYSTEM.

    We live in a Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire system… both Europe and America and the same “club” runs both systems as one Empire system. They are currently trying to topple Syria, and Iran in order to set up their debt-money central bank systems in those countries to enslave those people to INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT. Russia looks to be targeted as well, but this isn’t quite as clear as the Debt-Money Monopolists might control Putin as well.

    in reply to: Mass Extinction and Mass Insanity #31646
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>What drives our economies is waste. Not need, or even demand. Waste. 2nd law of thermodynamics. It drives our lives, period.<<

    You believe an effect drives the economy and don’t even bother to mention the ROOT CAUSE?
    Oh, that’s right, as Krugman said, NEVER TOUCH THE MONEY SYSTEM! Gotta follow the rules, right Ilargi?

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the money system!”

    No, the greed and mindlessness that results in all this waste is NOT THE ROOT CAUSE, AS ILARGI WOULD INCORRECTLY TRY AND CONVINCE YOU.

    Are the starving peasants in Africa wasteful? Oh, there must be a difference, A ROOT CAUSE.

    The answer is MONEY AND ITS ISSUANCE INTO SOCIETY. Without money, there won’t be very much waste at all. With a plethora of money, there will be tons of waste.

    The funny thing is, I know Ilargie knows this – THIS IS THE VERY PREMISE OF THIS WEBSITE TO A LARGE DEGREE. Notice how avoiding THE ROOT CAUSE results in such absurd cognitive dissonance?

    The Debt-Money Monopolists blew a massive debt-money bubble. This is a criminal act as it breaks Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act that says monetary and credit aggregates can’t grow exponential to GDP. It has and it is. The only exception going back 45 years is the 2008/2009 collapse.

    Here’s the crime scene with proof beyond all doubt the Federal Reserve broke the black letter law of Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act…

    GDP / Debt Growth
    https://thedebateoverangels.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/akcs-www.png

    Ilargi, if you do suffer from the curse of modern times (monetary illiteracy), then go to work on that blind spot. Hacking at leaves will do nothing but EMPOWER the WICKEDNESS you claim you are against.

    All debt-money monetary systems are fraudulent. Period. Now, you don’t need to trust me on that. You can apply some 5th grade mathematics and figure it out yourself. Amazingly, most people refuse to do this. The rely on Orwellian Crimestop to avoid dealing with this reality.

    If you lend $20 into society @ 5%, in one year society will owe you $21 (could be billions, trillions, magnitude doesn’t matter, the quality of this system is a fraud from the start) due to a double-entry bookkeeping adjustment that adds $1 interest liability to society’s balance sheet and $1 interest asset to your balance sheets.

    Note that the entire system still balances out at $21 in assets ($20 in society and $1 in your account) and $21 in liabilities ($21 owed by society to you). The eCONomists that are paid to CONCEAL THE FRAUD use MACHIAVELLIAN RHETORIC AND APPEAL TO AUTHORITY LOGICAL FALLACY to convince the gullible that the specific debt and money allocations don’t matter.

    Well, how can society pay you pay if 1. you, the Debt-Money Monopolist, don’t create any more money and 2. you don’t divest yourself of the $1 (bringing your monetary wealth to absolute $0!!!).

    The obvious truth is society can’t pay you back. You would simply steal the collateral on the $20 in debt (or billion or trillion!!!) through fraud and the ignorant people would be completely witless, like a Native American “selling” Staten Island for some beads (or whatever the story was).

    But you don’t want $20 is looted goods, so what do you do? YOU INFLATE BY CREATING ANOTHER $20. This inflations does two things. First, it makes the first $20 debt theoretically payable if the first borrower can siphon off $1 extra from the new debtor in time to pay the first loan. Second, it creates an exponential debt-growth system, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE IN THE WILD.

    https://thedebateoverangels.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/akcs-www.png

    $2 in INEXTINGUSHABLE DEBT will be owed to you, the Debt-Money Monopolist who rigged this fraudulent INEXTINGUISHABLE DEBT system.

    Was all that 5th grade math too technical for you? It wasn’t. If you don’t “get it” it is because you don’t want to “get it.” All that virtue signaling is as fraudulent as this WICKED monetary system IF YOU DON’T STOP HACKING AT LEAVES AND START HACKING AT THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THIS EVIL.

    No, “we” don’t owed the debt to “ourselves.” Individuals owe debts to DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLIST MEGA-CORPORATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS… AND INDIVIDUAL ASSETS WILL BE SEIZED BY THE $10s OF TRILLIONS as billions are bankrupted and/or when this CRIMINAL EXPONENTIAL DEBT-BUBBLE POPS.

    But, hey, Ilargi will give the people the name of a politicians to revile… EXACTLY AS THE DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLISTS PLANNED IT.

    in reply to: More Talk About More Growth and More Globalization #31643
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>You acknowledge that civilization is crumbling ‘around them’, but maintain that incumbents have not failed miserably. How does this add up?<<
    It makes perfect sense from their distorted perspective, a perspective that appears to be anathema for ordinary people to admit. Let me define some terms:

    Politicians = Moral relativist rhetorician modern day sophists for hire (go back and review Socrates / Sophist quarrels)..
    Ruling Oligarchs = Debt-Money Monopolist (NOT politicians, they are hired to a job, hired by Debt-Money Monopolists). The hand that gives (Debt-Money Monopolist mega-bank / Federal Reserve / World Bank / etc… OWNERS and CONTROLLERS.

    The ruling oligarchs are socio/psychopaths. They are guided by one thing – greed for world control. They don’t value ordinary human life, they only value their own lives. Having descended from rulers, their business has always been the business of how to most effectively rule. The control of money is the most effective way to rule. Why do people get out of bed in the morning when they do? Likely because they do it for money. Can’t serve both God and… mammon (money). What is a root of all EVIL? A politician? Not even close. MONEY!

    What you see being erected around you is Debt-Money Monopolist milieu that they believe will create the pretext for themselves to crown themselves rulers of Earth, even if covertly from behind the scenes (the learned from the French Revolution) and allow them to implement their rulership and exterminate opposition most efficiently. It isn’t about ordinary people, it is about the agenda of the Debt-Money Monopolist oligarchs who, by the way, used their control of money to control mega-corporations, including media, and politicians. They also control the “foundations” that then exert control over the schooling system engineered by Rockefeller and Carnegie.

    They know they are going to bankrupt the world. They even titled an article in a newspaper they own, “Is the World Going Bankrupt?” Of course, they never explain HOW or TO WHOM “the world” can go bankrupt, because they don’t want to draw attention to themselves. They CLEARLY plan on asset stripping the masses and rolling up OWNERSHIP of most of physical reality under their TBTF&J mega-corporate structure and they know people will not be happy about it.

    So why fraudulently orchestrate a “clash of civilizations?” Because it is a distraction to THE REAL ISSUE which nobody, including you, seems to want to touch with someone else’s 10′ pole.

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”
    ~Lord Acton

    I’ve been trying to rally ordinary people against the Debt-Money Monopolist OWNERS for YEARS, but they are distracted with bread, circus, and Bankster propaganda masquerading as “opposition.”

    When the people get wholesale robbed as this prima-facie fraudulent debt-bubble pops, the Banksters will want to turn ordinary people against ordinary people… race wars, culture wars, whatever. It doesn’t matter. As long as it isn’t a war on treasonous and traitors Debt-Money Monopolists.

    There are resource limits. You know that. The Debt-Money Monopolists want those resources for THEMSELVES. What is the biggest threat to their resources? How will the Debt-Money Monopolists deal with that threat – they are used to getting their way and they will DEFINITELY TRY TO GET THEIR WAY.

    Trump is Bankster. He’s no more “changes” than that phony Bankster owned “socialist” in Greece who has further handed the country over to his overlords. After all, as Lenin said and your OWNERS know all too well, the best way to control the opposition is to lead it. Trump got more press on Bankstervision than all the other candidates COMBINED, BOTH PARTIES. Bill Still ran for President and his #1 issue was to removed the MONEY POWER FROM PRIVATE HANDS. Bill Still, who? EXACTLY. He was a threat and you never heard his name.

    Now for strategy. Centralization is the Bankster agenda… just like Lenin, just like Stalin, just like Mao, just like Hitler, just like Julius Caesar. Trump appears to be against this agenda. He isn’t. Hes the sophist the Banksters hired in order to blow the fraudulent debt-bubble up and blame it on something other than their Decepticon political party of choice – their wholly owned Bankster Democratic Party subsidiary. Don’t get offended – they own the Republicans, too. That’s how come NOBODY every talks about the MONEY POWER, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT IS DESTROYING EVERYONE FUTURE.

    Even you won’t talk about it. I’m fairly certain Nicole knows all debt-money systems are frauds, but I’m not sure you know, nor am I convinced you have ability to perceive it, just as Rothschild predicted…

    “The few who could understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.”
    ~Rothschild

    Like William Jennings Bryan said, if you don’t solve the MONEY PROBLEM, YOU WON’T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.

    So, you can whine and cry and virtue signal all the merry day long, but you are only hacking away at a leaf or two of a mature Sequoia of EVIL, Inc.

    I suspect you will continue to avoid hacking on a root of all EVIL, Inc. (Debt-Money and the criminals who operate the debt-money system!) at all costs. You will continue to whine and cry about the hired political sophists, while NEVER ADDRESSING THEIR EMPLOYERS – THE MONEY POWER. Once one is tossed aside, they will hire another one – after expertly framing this person they control according the desires of the masses so they can be duped again.

    The Debt-Money Monopolists will ENGINEER the world according to their agenda. They owe a debt of gratitude to their propaganda arm, and Rockefeller has already paid them his due respects…

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
    ― David Rockefeller

    Su0pernational sovereignty of bankers, Debt-Money Monopolist hired minions and quislings. That’s the goal.

    But Rockefeller also owes the “alternate” mind controlled media a debt of gratitude, too.

    You guys keep the ordinary people distracted from the ROOT CAUSE. And there can be no ROOT SOLUTION without addressing the ROOT CAUSE. Rockefeller can’t publicly praise the efforts of distraction by the alternate media, buy I know he’s grateful.

    As Krugman was well taught by his MIT eCON professors – NEVER TOUCH THE MONEY SYSTEM

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the money system!”

    You’ve followed Krugman’s rule well and he’s well pleased, as are the Debt-Money Monopolists. They couldn’t do it without the obeisance of the alternate media.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 27 2016 #30114
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hillary is an agent of the Debt-Money Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Empire rulers and she has what they refer to as a “KMA card.” That stands for “Kiss My *ss card.”
    Aaron Russo was offered the KMA card by Nick Rockefeller by signing himself over to the Debt-Money Monopoly (although he was probably never told what it was…)…
    I’m not sure if this 10 minute snippet has the KMA card reference or not.

    The whole thing is worth watching…

    in reply to: Brexit Redux: Quo Vadis Britannia? #29959
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Nothing is surprising about debt-money based debt-servitude. In fact, it is the ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF LENDING MONEY INTO EXISTENCE SUCH THAT DEBT-RECEIPTS (MONEY) = DEBT OWED… the ultimate artificial zero-sum game where banking corporate fronts get the advantage of siphoning off interest off the money supply they created from nothing.
    Note – their interest assets equate to everyone else’s INEXTINGUISHABLE, SOCIETY IMPOVERISHING DEBT.
    Wealth inequality isn’t a bug in a debt-money system, it is a feature.
    “The one aim of the world’s financiers is world control through inextinguishable debt.”
    ~Henry Ford
    Now you know the debt-money balance sheet mechanism used to achieve this “one aim,” not of Jews, mind you. That’s an over generalization psy-op used to project guilt onto the innocent. The real BIG BAD is the Debt-Money Monopoly, which includes the Rothschilds, European Royalty, and the Rockefellers and others appear pretty high on the list as well. And they don’t get “unelected” and go away… their families have been around and running the show for over 100 years in America and multiple centuries elsewhere.

    in reply to: The Media Choir Worked So Hard All Week.. #29958
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi All, just to recontextualize everyone, the politicians don’t govern.
    The Debt-Money Power governs.
    The politicians are equivalent to the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
    Politicians are best viewed as rental rhetorician operatives of the Debt-Money Power that finances and promotes them on the media they control. Think of them as modern day Sophists who, true to their history, still attack nearly everything that Socrates held dear. Yes, there are people like that… and they’ve been around for millennia.

    in reply to: Meanwhile in Greece.. #29957
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The root cause of Greece’s problems is a fraudulent debt-money system where ordinary people have less money than is required to pay their debts. Ordinary people in Greece DON’T HAVE THE MONEY WITH WHICH TO PAY THEIR DEBTS.
    Nobody ever asks why… because they want to please their debt-money monopolist masters by not upsetting their debt-money fraud “apple cart.”
    That’s a deal with the devil… and fronting like one cares about the effects when one conceals the root cause of those effects is disingenuous. It is like virtue signalling by complaining about the last two lashes a slave master gave their slave without criticizing the system of slavery in the first instance.
    But, hey, people are rationalizers and not so rational, right? There are consequences to this dishonest approach.

    in reply to: Globalization Is Dead, But The Idea Is Not #29955
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    The question that is almost never addressed, and when it is addressed is done so with misinformation, is, why is growth a necessity?
    The main reason growth is a necessity is because of the nature of debt-money systems. Consider a simple system where $20 is lent into existence @ 5% and is to be paid off in one year’s time.
    At the end of the year, the borrower has $20, owes $21 with interest due, and the lender controls the $1 as an accrued interest asset.
    Does anyone want to venture how $20 can pay $21, especially when the collateral on the $20 loan (with $21 due now) is the person’s house and the lender has a legal way to effectively steal it from their prey through debt-money fraud?

    I didn’t think so. But the Debt-Money Monopolists don’t just want to steal $20 worth of stuff. They want to steal the MAJORITY OF SOCIETY’S PHYSICAL ASSETS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY IMPOSING DEBT SERVITUDE UPON THE MASSES AS A CONTROL MECHANISM.
    SO THEY LEND AND ADDITIONAL $20 INTO EXISTENCE. The original borrower can work or sell assets in order to make their debts payable, BUT THE OUTSTANDING DEBT ROSE FROM $1 TO $2 – VOILA… INFLATION!
    Now you know why the Debt-Money Monopolists target inflation instead of a steady state system.

    You people who support a steady state system while simultaneously ignore the debt-money problem have taken in immoral stance. By demanding a steady state economy under a debt-money system, YOU ARE PROMOTING THE SYSTEMATIC ASSET STRIPPING OF SOCIETY THROUGH DEBT-MONEY FRAUD. Whether witting or not, that’s a DEMONIC POSITION. People need to expose the debt-money system instead of allowing it to stay on their “never touch” list… exactly as the Debt-Money Monopolists instructed the MIT faculty to warn their brightest eCONomists.
    The debt-money collapse and societal asset stripping mechanism is “a feature, not a bug.” Suckers will cheer the engineered debt-money collapse exactly as the Star Wars republic citizens cheered the fall of their republic and their ensuing enslavement.

    in reply to: Steve Keen on Hardtalk #29954
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Raleigh,
    On what basis do you conclude that Steve Keen is stupid instead of bought and paid controlled opposition? I think Steve Keen is very smart. He knows his proposals will never be taken seriously and he actively conceals the fraud of all debt-money systems when they are brought up to his specific attention. Go to the comments section and read the dialogue… and Keen’s complete dedication to avoiding the specific arguments of debt-money fraud here:

    The Principle and Interest on Debt Myth (Exposes the Myth of Steve Keen!)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#31e550268238

    He thinks that linking an article that discusses derivatives will deceive people into thinking he actually answered the question he avoided at all costs…
    It sounds to me like Keen got this memo, too…

    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the [debt-]money system!”

    “Didn’t they (MIT economics professors) tell you, never touch the money system!”
    ~Paul Krugman
    “You are killing yourself academically if you touch the money system.”
    ~Paul Krugman

    Steve Keen is like a guy who promotes caffeine for slaves not allowed to sleep while never addressing the real issue of the sleep deprivation… and avoiding addressing sleep deprivation when it is brought up as the root cause of the problem. He’s no idiot. He KNOWS EXACTLY what he’s doing.

    in reply to: Hubris, Instability and Entertainment #29550
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    >>A very limited number of people, with all of their minions, control the entire now unstable edifice, and they’ll fight tooth and nail to keep their power.<<
    Hi Ilargi, “a very limited number of people” is an extremely vague description.
    Can you be more specific as to WHO these people are and how they relate to the PEOPLE WHO CONTROL THE DEBT-MONEY SYSTEMS THAT FINANCE EVERY MAJOR INSTITUTION IN THE WEST INCLUDING GOVERNMENTS AND POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS?
    TIA…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 23 2016 #29549
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    As much as I hate to say it, I think the main reason that Western Civilization grew the way it did was because the Money Power seized upon the genius of expanding the money supply as a way to incentivize people to produce in whatever areas they disbursed the money.
    Before that insight into human behavior, the problem of incentivizing the masses was a difficult one – and many cultures never really broke the barrier surpassed by the West with the help of the Money Power’s monetary expansions.
    The fact they are demon-spawns with an ultimate Satanic agenda is the downside.

    in reply to: Basic Income in The Time of Crisis #29460
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi Ilargi, your entire premise is based on a government that hasn’t been hijacked by and subjugated to a Debt-Money Monopolist cartel. Selling dreams as potential realities is not exactly being honest.
    Why would the people who are going to steal everyone’s pensions and social security then care about the same people and give them “basic income.” Well, in exchange for slave labor, maybe.
    Anyway, avoiding the root cause of the problem, the Debt-Money Monopolists and their debt-money system, acts to cover for these people and their system of oppression. It is the most effective form of deception according to Eric Blair – OMISSION.

    in reply to: The Peak Oil Paradox -Revisited- #29404
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Hi all AGWers, what about the data rigging?
    Remember, “hide the decline?” What about the manipulation of temperature sensors?
    You guys do know about this, right? Yet you don’t address it.
    IMHO, your emotional bias is revealed in the subject grammar you omit, omission being the most efficient form of lying according to George Orwell.
    This is a tremendously complicated subjected due to enormous inputs and effects. I’ve argued that nobody has sufficiently proved either side of the false dichotomy correct – that humans are mostly responsible or not responsible at all.

    But here is what I do know… THE ROOT CAUSE OF CO2 EMISSIONS IS DEBT-MONEY MONOPOLIST EXPONENTIAL DEBT-MONEY EMISSIONS INTO THE ECONOMY.
    Read that about 10x because you haven’t been programmed to see that kind of absolute truth in such a simple, straightforward way.
    Without the exponential debt-money growth carried out by the Debt-Money Monopolists who control the MONEY CENTER banks, there wouldn’t be the MONEY available to create industries to burn fuels to generate CO2. Oh, did you make the connection?
    WHO funds government? THE VERY SAME PEOPLE.
    SO THE PEOPLE WHO FINANCED THE CREATION OF CO2 EMISSIONS ARE ALSO FUNDING THE PEOPLE CALLING FOR THE REDUCTION OF CO2 EMISSIONS USING GOVERNMENT FORCE.
    Ruminate on those facts for a while…

    What do those “connected dots” mean for ordinary people?

    Cui bono – how do the Debt-Money Monopolists benefit from this set up and deception?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 20 2016 #29403
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    jal, that’s “helicopter debt.” All that money needs to be paid back with interest to a private international banking cartel with your assets and the assets of your country backing the inextinguishable debt (from the standpoint of ordinary people, anyway). Steve Keen was technically correct when he explained how debts were theoretically payable, but he inadvertently exposed how it was impossible for ordinary people to pay their debts. He was called out on it an ran away like a child whose hand was caught in the cookie jar and as a man who was heeding the warning given to Paul Krugman to “never touch the money system…” because “you are killing yourself ACADEMICALLY.”

    -Read the comments section where Keen has his pants pulled down and is unable to intellectually pull them back up…

    The Principal And Interest On Debt Myth
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2015/03/30/the-principal-and-interest-on-debt-myth-2/#23e870ae6823

    Here’s Paul Krugman being exposed as Bankster Goebbels fraud…
    Krugman to Lietaer: “Never touch the [debt-]money system!”

    “Didn’t they (MIT economics professors) tell you, never touch the money system!”
    ~Paul Krugman

    “You are killing yourself academically if you touch the money system.”
    ~Paul Krugman

    And here’s necessary information to comprehend a much fuller scope of Debt-Money Tyranny, the fear of which causes grown men and women to cower and slither…

    “If history shows anything, it is that there’s no better way to justify relations founded on violence, to make such relations seem moral, than by reframing them in the language of debt—above all, because it immediately makes it seem that it’s the victim who’s doing something wrong.”
    ~David Graeber, Debt: The First 5,000 Years

    Inequality: Why are the rich getting richer?

    Debt Is Not a Choice

    How To Be a Crook

    Renaissance 2.0

    Debunking Money

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ― Napoléon Bonaparte

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