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Tests, Ilargi, yes- but they must be accurate (and, fwiw, I would prefer that they test for antibodies.) The experts reject the realtime clinical trials of HCQ+, so we must not presume that the sparse anecdotes that The Virus continues to be miraculously viable are to be considered without a good deal of clinical observation.
“Still, you can’t ask one part of the population to make sure they are not infected, and at the same time let others free to then infect them. That’s merely freedom for one group, and the denial of it for another.”Not infected when they get notification, but perhaps infected the hours before? Are we guaranteed the right to not catch a disease? Shall we shun infectors? Who are they? Those who had it and have recovered? Those who have been proven to have tested positive and are now testing negative? Do you trust the negative test?
With any luck- from what I have read- we hope to see 80% of the population infected to install “herd immunity”. Will those vulnerable 20% be free while the infected are sequestered?I waffle, myself- but I have a mountain of evidence that those who are running the show are untrustworthy. The War on Terror was fading: now we have a War on The Virus. They have taken our most human instinct- to congregate- and made it immoral. How long can we deal with this? And The Virus – and there are so many of them out there- wins- just like the terrorists won in “America”. The US has made the 911 perpetrators proud.
Now the “terrorists” are the infected, or possibly infected, or those exposed to an infected person.
Think of Camus. It wasn’t really about a bacillus. It was about jackboots.
People are justifiably afraid of “tests” that may rob them of income and dignity. There are many sane, decent, unaffiliated researchers who agree. Others here have linked them. This virus is going to eventually run through the population. The question remains: how long are we going to put up with the remedies to prevent that?
It is not leprosy. It is not the Plague. It is a coronavirus. There will likely be no vaccine.I want to know why this isn’t so:
There is an hypothesis- put forth in a number of studies- that Hydroxychloroquine+ is an effective treatment for SARS-CoV-2. In realtime, it is being clinically shown to be true. Why is this not good enough for the medical experts, considering this is a worldwide emergency?
Fauci? Birx? Anyone?“Coca leaf tea is best used for the treatment of altitude sickness, something that many visitors to Cusco experience. The properties are considered a miracle medicine and are very effective in treating the symptoms of altitude sickness. … You can drink up to three or four cups of Coca leaf tea per day without a problem.”
This the first google box that comes up when I search “coca leaves and altitude sickness”.
Thanks to pheonixxxx on Peak P. comments, 2 days ago.Also on PP comments (erin hunter): Consider the air quality in NYC on the eleventh+ of september, two thousand-one.
I just heard the call again- she didn’t say “never”, sorry.
Mary, from Ft Washington, MD: ….”The caller that called and said that black people need to take that drug that Trump wants to push? He’s got money invested in that; so tell that caller when [Trump] takes that drug and he doesn’t die? Then we might take it. But that’s ridiculous. [The moderator asks when will it be okay for you to stop doing what you’ve been doing (staying in the house, not socializing, and wearing masks and gloves since December]. “When the doctors say it’s oaky. When the scientists says it’s okay. Not when 45 says it’s okay ’cause he’s been lying since he slithered down the escalator.”
Geez. Transcribing is tedious business.
On another note: Martenson praises some mask makers using blue shop towels. A Fleet Farm already says 2 per order at 8.99. Another brand is selling for 117.00! What an interesting way to hear how word gets around.
On C-Span’s Washington Journal this morning a woman called in and said she would NEVER take that stuff that Trump talked about.
Hillary Clinton is the gift that just keeps giving…/sToday’s photo is particularly poignant. Is necking a thing we will only be able to see in the rear-view window?
And Bernie suspends his campaign.
I prefer SARS-CoV-2. It summons up better stuff on the googol [com]plex.
Boris looks anemic. Trump could be jaundiced, or he could be taking extra iron. /s
Wild speculation: China- ancient soul that it is- may have a better handle on mass psychology than the West. They may have declared an epidemic, knowing the West would go nuts when it reached them. That’s spy vs spy vs spy…
I loved Mad Magazine in the sixties.When the elephants rumble, the ants tremble.
The elephants may be partying, but the ants worry just the same.
This is a double post from yesterday. I know.
I prefer SARS-CoV-2. It summons up better stuff on the googol [com]plex.
Boris looks anemic. Trump could be jaundiced, or he could be taking extra iron. /s
Wild speculation: China- ancient soul that it is- may have a better handle on mass psychology than the West. They may have declared an epidemic, knowing the West would go nuts when it reached them. That’s spy vs spy vs spy…
I loved Mad Magazine in the sixties.When the elephants rumble, the ants tremble.
The elephants may be partying, but the ants worry just the same.
So now it appears The Virus attacks the blood- impairing its ability to carry oxygen. I can’t recall where I saw it, but some researcher suggested it wasn’t so much pneumonia as a lack of oxygen in general that was causing the biggest problem in fatal cases. The pneumonia comes AFTER the blood is deoxygenated.
They even mentioned heme- so I looked at porphyria and covid 19- no special flags were up- yet.
Anemia patients are warned, however, to be wary.I can’t resist- on the 11th of March on Putrid’s site, I cracked the (tasteless) joke that Trump’s “covfefe” comment was a prescient remark to take extra iron…. He said it in May of 2017.
“In March, doctors from China published two studies that gave the first glimpse at how prevalent cardiac problems were among patients with COVID-19 illness. The larger of the two studies looked at 416 hospitalized patients. The researchers found that 19% showed signs of heart damage. And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it.
Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.”
I can’t tell you the website because anything like it- spelling it out, for example, rejects the post. Khn is the site. Dot org.
Oh, yeah. Euromomo. European monitoring of excess mortality for public health action. Gives stats on usual death rates.
Monsanto. MoonMist Cigarettes.
On The Virus: I’ve waffled. It’s horrendous and I’m gonna DIE. It’s a live exercise (think Boston). It’s a convenient cover for a tanking world economy. It’s a remarkable show of world unity combined with a fermenting pre-www3 undertone.
I do know that the numbers do not merit the response- mostly because testing is STILL iffy and I can’t believe any numbers without reliable testing- we simply don’t have real statistics, and it seems we don’t want to run them.
I know that if The Virus is what it is purported to be we are not going to put up with pseudo-martial law for eighteen months until a dubious vaccine comes along- when corona viruses are notoriously unvaccinatable. Thus, it will come and go and come and go and we will learn to live and die with it.
I don’t trust anecdotal stories from anyone trying to make a bigger point. They play violins and/or stir anger. I hate it when a politician says “Ya’ know, A guy named Marty wrote to me and said….”
Sure he did.
A little objectivity would go a long way where we are now. Real numbers based on real tests run in real random studies to ascertain where we really are.
I’m waiting. In the meantime, I have lost my fear. It’s a bug and it might kill me. So it goes.Beautifully written, Ilargi.
Sadly, in the end, Tarrou- who “gets” it- dies. (Camus)
So much for sainthood.OMG- from the video, concerning the panic-induced, synthetic hypochondriacs going in for a sniffle and crowding the medical facilities: just wait ’til allergy season gets going here in the states.
From Recombinomics, concerning New York: “All 11 of the 14 newly released sequences are closely related to each other and sequences from patients in Italy. The two recent sets, as well as the initial four sequences, are heavily dominated by matches with Italy (30/34)”
Oh- thanks Ilargi, for mentioning that NEJM article which shows Dr. Fauci has an academic opinion, and a MSM opinion.
Who’s to say where it stops? How many waves of The Virus will impose “lockdowns”? How many other novel viruses can pop up and we must do this all over again?
Meanwhile, the Reset continues on schedule.Many millions out of work?
We had to have a reason.
Just call it a pandemic
Instead of a “flu” season.Here is a ditty for today- slightly on topic.
Socialism will favor the hens;
Capitalism, the foxes.
If we cannot remember we’re humans,
We’re all gonna end up in boxes.ezixa1949: Fascinating link. Unfortunate news outlet title.
Concerning Fauci: I didn’t like him much during the AIDS thing in the 80s. I don’t much like him now.A treatment that has a 50% death rate seems to be a treatment that needs some tweaking.
How does one clean a respirator? Does UVC sterilize each breath? How does one clean a hospital room? Do they throw out the beds? How much viral-covered waste is being generated here?
How many go into the hospital with a moderately severe case and wind up maximizing the viral load?
Where possible, perhaps hospital rooms should be outdoors under the light of the sterilizing sun.
Would electrostatic masks work?
How long before people start going crazy? Another SIX months?We’re going to learn to live with it.
What’s at stake is HOW.Your best rhetoric ever, Dr. D. Nicely put, zerosum.
Goodness, that was a long read.
Has anyone dug any of those dead vapers and tested them yet?
The description of their lung damage was spot-on. I think someone even used the “ground glass opacity” metaphor. (Naveed Saleh, for example, in a sept 27th, 2019 article for medlinx.)Bosco-
“Crowded” in this small town still let people keep pretty good distance from each other, but six feet seems silly when the aerosol hangs in the air for three hours. I wore a loose turtleneck fleece shirt, and tucked my face in when the guy coughed. I do that all winter- I am a dark season germaphobe. If someone sneezes in the aisle one over, I forego crackers ’til the next time.
You probably won’t see this- but I came back to read the late night posts- you were on a roll.Thanks zerosum, from yesterday. One would think that should work. I have been to many different sites- general and specific to wordpress- all with the same results: the link shows up as html. If I simply type the link, the post doesn’t post, even if I leave off bits. It’s probably something too obvious- but that’s the sort of thing I miss. I’ve even tried different computers.
We braved the real world today before we are all supposed to stay home here in my state- to buy produce and crickets (I have tortoises, bearded dragons, anoles). The store was crowded and there were no children. No one wore a mask (we don’t have any). Someone nearby coughed, so when we got home we showered, and then took a sunbath. There is one case we know of in our little town.
My state was shown to be the least concerned of the fifty about The Virus, and I still feel that knowing there is a treatment has made me feel easier. Cuba is having good results with interferon alpha2b, as well.
That this info is not being used to allay fears means they aren’t done trying to scare us all into submission. Imagine a year ago if someone told you that governments were going to shut down businesses- so many of whom are unlikely to survive. And then stuff billions into the pockets of the already stuffy.
The Virus is not going to just go away in two weeks. Epidemics come in waves. What happens next?
The Shadow [government] Knows!
Ilargi, your stuff scares me; Dr. D, etal., your stuff makes me think something sinister is afoot. I am more afraid of the sinister than the medical.
Ah, well. Que sera, sera.
Oh, yeah. F**K Baraitser.I’ve been working on making links- all I get is unpostable html. Please try and check out the “evolutamente” site- the articles are a fascinating read concerning vitamin c, melatonin, nitric oxide, etc.
They are a bit too medical for a non-professional like myself, but the MDs here might enjoy them.Here is a prayer that may or may not be pertinent for these times:
Forgive us our secrets as we forgive those
Of our friends and our loved ones.
We only suppose our secrets are hidden from curious eyes.
Let us not be mistaken:
Our secrets breed lies.Forgive us our secrets as we forgive those
Of our experts and leaders, who wear them like clothes
To hide indiscretions; for power; for ill-
Let us not be mistaken:
Our secrets can kill.Started in 1983. Released into the wild today.
Would you choose a lung-wrenching respirator if there were an off-label, known-to-be-safe antimalarial which has proven to be effective, at least in some cases?
I felt so much easier when the chloroquine compounds were suggested: a treatment that defeats the virus in a week or less. Do the clinical trials, of course- but if I go in with The Virus, I want the soft treatment first before I am near-death facing a respirator: I don’t care if it is “approved”.
Easter will still happen. It’s a state of mind, not a thing.Yea!
Okay- so I can’t post anything that looks like an url, and I don’t know how to link, so I’ll just say check out a site called “evolutamente”. It’s Italian, but I got linked to an english version via a Kunstler’s March 23, 2:32pm post.
The articles on covid 19 are wonderfully interesting. They say there are 103 different versions of The Virus.
Now I am going to go and figure out how to link.Seychelles: so what are the people with Lupus doing? A caller on C-span already had been told there wasn’t any for her; then there was but it would be really expensive; then they found her a two-month supply at a slightly elevated price.
Maybe no one in Texas has Lupus.
Edicts. Geez.Whither grace in the curving world
And gifts without encumbrance?
What is the path to a mind at peace
And love without remembrance?Russia:Italy. Things go ’round and ’round.
Back from my constitutional to catch the sun, and I want to edit the ditty above: dump the first apostrophe ess.
…”Of the Past and the Future’s twin towers.”
Better.Economies crashing;
The populace thrashing-
The powerful increase their powers.
A sinister mission:
Controlled demolition
Of the Past’s and the Future’s twin towers.
