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@ oxymoron
“ Point being while I was away from the wife and kids my state leader Premier Dan Andrews informed the populace that all 12 year old children will be vaccinated by december this year.”
Do you have a link? I have someone I want to share that with. A quick search yielded nothing (which is odd…I guess our overlords don’t want the US population to know this?)
“ The daughters speculate that he contracted the virus from an unvaccinated person at Carlisle Palm Beach, an assisted living facility in Lantana, Fla.”
I’ve been watching The Orville with my teen children lately. I really appreciate this series created by Seth McFarlane. In some ways, it stays true to the Star Trek concept better than the recent ST series — most episodes tends to focus on some sort of moral or ethical dilemma, exploring aspects of the dilemma.
Recently, we saw S2E5, All The World Is Birthday Cake. The setting is a “first contact” with a world that appears similar to 20th century earth, and has sent a message to the cosmos: “is anyone out there?” The meeting goes horribly awry due to some not immediately apparent huge cultural differences that result in the world imprisoning two crew members and refusing to return them. Neither side is capable of seeing the other side’s point of view.
This time when I watched the episode I found it eerily reminded me of the social divides we see around us today regarding Covid and the vaccines.
The email I sent yesterday garnered 5 replies.
1 – was a choir member asking the music director what the current guidance was from the UUA (the centralized organization UU churches affiliate with, that accredits ministers, etc.)
2 – the music director replied, giving the information, and suggesting we have a zoom meeting to discuss the issues live
3 – private message from a choir member to me informing me that someone I knew had long Covid. (While this is saddening, the individual is also morbidly obese, and such folks often struggle with Covid.)
4 – group message from a different choir member that her relative, a nurse, is suffering from long Covid. (*sigh* healthcare workers often get higher initial doses of virus exposure, leading to adverse outcomes.)
5 – message to group from choir member suggesting that we should trust the church’s minister and board to make the decision, no democracy, because none of us have the requisite training to understand the science of the situation. He went on about reasons why we should be afraid and cautious, same sort of tropes as we’ve heard since March 2021.To the woman with the nurse relative with Covid I responded with information about clinical trials to treat it. I did the same for the woman I have found out that I know personally who has long Covid…she is not in this group, but I had her email address. I did not want the group to devolve into a written spat, so I sent the following:
There is probably no point in quoting the opinions of “experts” and “authorities” to one another.
Those that agree with the cited authority are going to experience confirmation bias. Those who don’t agree with the cited authority are going to experience cognitive dissonance. We’ll all experience frustration.However, as far as I know, I am the ONLY person I know of affiliated with <church> who doesn’t buy into the mainstream narrative regarding Covid,. Perhaps there are more of us out there. Because we do not meet in-person, I cannot easily discover this information. This is one of the pernicious side effects of “social distancing.”
So allow me this last shout out to my friends in the choir: I believe it is very important to stand up for what I see is “right” and “true” and “just.” You may see other permutations of what is “right” and “true” and “just” and feel the need to stand up for those permutations.
That is A-okay.
I felt it important for anyone out there who is on the fence or dissenting to know, definitively that, if so, you are not alone.If anyone wants to contact me privately to chat, to share stories, to share music in person — feel free. I welcome it.
No one has contacted me. I called the music director and had a pleasant chat. I feel some closure. I will move on. I feel sadness — this congregation was a welcoming place for me and my children for many years. If there are shifts in opinion, I am not adverse to meeting my friends there again. At least they know that “one of their own” dissents. Hopefully, if things get really crazy, none of them will betray me to the authorities. I hope it doesn’t come to that.
I’m going to see if I can get to know the people on my street (there are 20 homes) better for the time being. This could be very beneficial for uncertainties ahead.
@ Tdub
(And anyone else who finds it relevant)My heart is heavy for all who are facing job insecurity due to vaccine mandates.
Several years back I read Early Retirement Extreme. I related well to the ideas, but, alas have not been able to follow its proscriptions…instead I was fighting a family court battle, raising 3 kids, healing from PTSD…yeah, you know — life.
However, there was one concept that resonated well, and I apply it often.
The author talked about being “loosely-coupled” to life’s necessaries.
For example, if one has multiple income sources and one dries up, the others still exist, and tragedy does not ensue. Another way to address income would be to have savings or investments that could be tapped — or with a couple where one loses a job, the other retains employment.
With toilet paper — keeping 20 rolls around and getting 20 more when it drops to 10.
With food — having a large pantry with enough food on hands for months, or perhaps with a garden, or nearby friends who are farmers, etc,
The idea is to exist in a way so that one has cushions against future “bad stuff” that may occur. Also, having Multiple sources of needed items, or ways to switch to a different resource if the usual resource is unavailable (like an RV refrigerator that runs on electricity or propane.)I have been impoverished for 9 years, but using this method has smoothed out many rough edges.
“ But in a statement, the FDA told The BMJ that it did not believe a meeting was necessary ahead of the expected granting of full approval.“
‘Did not believe a meeting was necessary’
Newspeak for ‘realized a meeting could delay the proscribed timeline’@ christanarchist
Thank you for sharing the text of your vaccine exemption. It is good to stand together.
Ah, now I’ve done it.
I received an email from my church’s music director to the choir list. Subject: “ [Choir] in person singing? I don’t know yet”
And…for not the first time in my life, just by being myself I ended up shoving myself into the limelight. I will likely feel very nervous about it over the next day or so, but what is done is done. My thoughts roll around in my mind and at some point the break out and I write or speak…publicly.I share the text of my email back to the choir group with you here. (Hat tip to Dr D for the song reference. Phew…I’m already beginning to feel the beginning of “senders regret.” It is HARD to face the possibility of ostracization from a group with whom in the past I shared close community.). Here goes:
A few questions….
Why is only staff weighing in on the decision?
Why is this not a democratic decision?
Why doesn’t the choir weigh in?
Are not we not all capable of making these decisions for ourselves?I am so sick and tired of receiving communication from the few/one to the many.
The covid vaccines do not prevent infection nor transmission of the virus, therefore whether or not one participates in group singing is a risk that is up to the individual, not the group To limit something to “the vaccinated” would be significant publicly only if any of the Covid vaccines were “sterilizing” vaccines — but they are not. (A “sterilizing” vaccine is one that creates immunity in the recipient that quickly blocks infection and prevents the pathogen from multiplying in the body — keeping the vaccine recipient safe from getting sick and preventing the vaccine recipient from passing the sickness onto others.) The covid vaccines were never advertised to be sterilizing vaccines and they have proved themselves to be “non-sterilizing” and “leaky” vaccines. (The smallpox vaccine is a sterilizing vaccine. The shingles vaccine is non-sterilizing. The inactivated polio virus vaccine is non-sterilizing; the oral polio vaccine is sterilizing.)
Back in March 2020 we didn’t know the case fatality for covid. We didn’t know who was more susceptible to the virus and who was less susceptible. But this is August 2021. The case fatality rate for covid is not any more than 0.5%. (By comparison, smallpox case fatality is about 30%.). We know that people with “comorbidities” are more likely to have a bad outcome with covid. For everyone else including those in their 70s, there is a greater than 99% chance of survival of Covid. This comports with my own life experience. I know one person who died of covid. I know of countless others who have survived covid. I know no one with “long covid.”
It would be very nice to act in a way to “keep everyone safe” but the only way to do that is to keep our distance…indefinitely. Keeping our distance denies our humanity and denies why we met one another in the first place. Those who want to take their chances meeting together should meet.
I, for one, have no fear of covid and no fear of meeting together.
We can discuss these things as a group or break into smaller groups to do this. Or we can stay mute. We don’t need moderation. We all have wonderful minds that are capable of rational thought and capable of understanding complex information.
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From: Freedom Train
You can hate the laws that you’re obeying
You can shout your anger to the crowd
We may disagree with what you’re saying
But we’ll fight to let you say it loud@ mr roboto
“ Of course, the big hole in that plan is that if you can’t compel the entire population to take the vaccine, the parents of tomorrow will be assorted “deplorables” and non-conformist wierdos. And while you would have a less populous world that way, you would also have a society full evangelical fundy conservatives and various bohemians and free-thinkers. That would make for an interesting mix.”Bingo! My thoughts exactly. If the vaccine turns truly nasty I will lose many friends and family members. Not only will it be an interesting mix, but a livid mix.
@ m. Cafone
“ If I were a global overlord looking to depop the planet per a plague, I would not pick one so easily fixed by something like Ivermection or (long list of useful preventative and therapies).”That is the same reason why I don’t think the originators of this pandemic themselves fully understood the physical effects of the vaccine either. They depended instead on their well-placed pawns and lackeys, not on a full knowledge of the virus nor the vaccines.
The pawns and lackeys will end up being fall guys, while the true originators will continue to be lauded for their philanthropy.
@ susmarie
Welcome to the ranks of the (truly) immune!
From now on, whether you wear a mask or not, you don’t need to have covid worries for yourself or others.
From now on, your own immune system will likely manage with ease any covid particles that you encounter.
From now on, you will not fit into either the “vaccinated box” nor the “unvaccinated” box.May you find the new perspective a refreshing as I have these past 10 months.
I am wondering when food stamps and Medicaid will be withheld from myself and the children because we are not vaccinated.
@ Germ
Yes, regarding Lincoln woman, looks more like a vax injury than “bad Covid case.” Perhaps if the vax injury was sub clinical, infection could bring it out?
“130,000 residents in nursing homes have sa- — have sadly, over the period of this virus, passed away.” –Biden
At the local retirement community my friend cited the number lost from “assisted living” to Covid…I immediately wanted to ask: okay, what was the total number that passed last year, and the total number who passed the year before? Because…the number that died from Covid is only relevant in perspective with the total deaths. I didn’t ask, because I knew that she didn’t have the answers.~~~~~~
Mpsk
“Or how about a handful of marbles?”The marbles would be nice. Banana peel? Missing manhole cover?
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Salon article parody:
“It is the saddest thing to have somebody come in and say, ‘but I GOT VACCINATED.’ And have to admit them to a hospital, put them on a breathing machine, when we have great prevention [t]hat is REPURPOSED DRUGS,”Seriously? What is the point?
It means nothing.Easiest way to cook beans: pressure cooker. Electric ones are great — you can set the time. If there is no electricity, a standard pressure cooker can be used on a stove, etc.
As far as realistic danger from Covid…
It seems to me that the problem from the vaccines spurring variants that are more dangerous than original covid, a la Marek’s disease, is potentially quite a conundrum. See, it is all well and good to have already survived Covid — I’ll be fine. If my kids at least got memory T cells and memory B cells from their exposure last year, they should be fine too. However, the problem is the upcoming generation — if contracting Covid were to become generally dangerous — say, 10% case fatality, even in the young — then we’ve got a problem. We don’t have enough safety data yet on ANY of the vaccines, and the currently in use vaccines against covid all have problems and are leaky — so we really wouldn’t want to be giving them to children. But if we ended up with a truly dangerous variant, we are faced with leaky vaccines and the alternative is to try to survive it on one’s own…and we do not yet have the technology to create a vaccine against a corona virus that will not cause ADE or that provides sterilizing immunity. Suppose the virus got around ivermectin as well. Then we’d really be up a creek.These vaccines are a very bad idea on so many fronts.
@ deflationista
Correlation is not causation. However…there IS correlation…and correlation is a good place to start an analysis (just not usually a good place to end.)
Pfizer/BioNTech, Phase 3 trial begain July 27, 2020
“A breakdown of the diversity of clinical trial participants can be found here from approximately 150 clinical trials sites in United States, Germany, Turkey, South Africa, Brazil and Argentina”
from: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccineModerna phase 3 trial began July 27, 2020
studies were done in the US: https://www.modernatx.com/cove-studyOxford/AZ phase 3 trial began May 2020
studies in Brazil, Arizona (USA), UK: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-06-28-trial-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-starts-brazil, https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/08/19/oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-arizona/3319865001/, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-sp-idUKKBN28Y0XUJanssen phase 3 trial began Sep 23, 2020
studies in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, South Africa and the United States: https://www.janssen.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-pivotal-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-janssens-covid-19-vaccine-candidateCovaxin phase 3 trial began Nov 16, 2020
Studies done in India: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00327-2?utm_source=xmol&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=meta&utm_campaign=DDCN_1_GL01_metadataSinopharm phase 3 trial begun in Peru, was going on in Oct 2020: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00576-0
(If these aren’t in order, well, I never did learn the correct order to the Greek alphabet, much to my current chagrin.)
Alpha: Britain, Sep 2020
Beta: South Africa, Sep 2020
Gamma: Brazil, 6 January 2021
Delta: India, Dec 2020
Epsilon: USA (SoCal), “late 2020”
Iota: USA (NYC), Nov 2020
Kappa: India, Oct 2020
Lambda: Peru, Dec 2020
Theta: Philippines, Feb 18, 2021Note: EVERY single location where one of these significant variants has emerged prior to the start of the vaccination campaigns was a location where phase 3 clinical trials were done for a Covid vaccine.
In the case of the Philippines, interestingly Theta appeared right around the same time that phase 3 clinical trials begain in that country for both the Sinovac and Janssen vaccines. (https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1129675)It looks like Arizona State Govenor Ducey found a way to reward school districts for following AZ law regarding masking:
Oh, how amusing it is some days to live in 2021!
@ absolute galore
I never met a powdered milk that was “tasty,” only some that were “tolerable.” Have you considered shelf-stable milk? It is ultrapasteurized, sold in boxes. I find that it tastes just like the refrigerated stuff. I take the small containers when I go camping and refrigeration is iffy, so I won’t have large leftovers.I was talking with my kids last week about their preferred foods and what they would want available to eat should the grocery stores no longer be an option. My daughter said pizza. So I’ve decided to see about making mozzarella cheese out of powdered milk. I’ve successfully made mozzarella before, out of some surplus milk.
“ If local authorities can’t get something jumpstarted within a month or so to keep people fed, that’s a scenario you can’t really plan for anyway”
Au contraire, I planned for that years ago.
1) Help feed the neighbors, organize locally with folks on the street.
2) If all else fails, make wine. It should be a valuable commodity and the know how of how to make it is more valuable than the commodity itself.@ Dr D
“ But you see, that never happened now. Only Europeans do bad things. You know, the ones that outlawed slavery and turned a page in the inalienable Rights of Man, then died by hundred thousands to make sure those ideas won as they finally attempted to live up to their own beliefs, or rather, aspirations”The way I see it, it seems most religions and philosophies (“-isms”), no matter the number of positive and uplifting ideas contained therein, if they grow large will at some point be used as a vehicle for human harm.
In my own life, I left the Mormon faith. It failed me when it came to who I married and navigating that relationship. And then I realized that it was bunk from the get-go. But most of my family remains entrenched within it, they love their “good news” and religious communities, and it is a functional component of their lives.
Perhaps this is why I have congregated with liberal-minded folk and yet not had the flaws that you correctly point out influence my views…I remember when these flaws came to my attention, and I rejected them as ridiculous. Humans generally struggle to hold two seemingly opposing points of view at once — there is a tendency to want to see something as “all good” or “all bad”…when reality doesn’t concern itself with these arbitrary labels. (I, too, have experienced this struggle, however, the past 20 years seem to have presented successive opportunities for me to become accustomed to a level of cognitive dissonance.)
<< “I hate what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.” Where did that go? Where is yon Left of yesterday that believed in defending minority groups’ right to exist AGAINST an overreaching government, wanting people to be left alone and chill, man?>>
I’ve been wondering the same thing. Have been itching to meet with my liberally minded congregation since January so that I could engage in some “deep conversation” after the Sunday service and figure out how many of my peers there actually believe and go along with all of this bullsh*t and how many see through it, or can see it after a simple conversation points it out. I stopped watching the Sunday service online in January because the desire to actually communicate with these people was strong…and the substitute of a (well, at least it was live,) online service only served to stoke that desire….
@ deflationista
“ Spoiler Alert: You’re still looking at 85-95% efficacy against severe disease with Delta”Very difficult to measure without a challenge study. A challenge study would be unethical, so instead we estimate/guess based upon insufficient data.
So I just continue to trust my natural immunity. My immune system has always served me very well, except for a few situations in which I was excessively stressed out. But that was all before the divorce and family court snag. Those are in the past, I’m much less stressed now, immune system handled Covid last year like a champ.
@ ezxla
Thanks for the run-down.
It is hard for me to know what is going on for the “average” person here. Most of my close friends are a generation or more older than me, and have been jabbed. My closest family that lives nearby, well, we were a “Covid positive bubble”…which was annoying at the time, but in retrospect has been a good thing. The people I used to associate with who were near my age, had kids, etc., were at my church or were parents of my daughter’s friends. My daughter has moved onto middle school and there are no in-person church services…so it is difficult to know what others think.Isolation.
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When people are frightened they spend copious amounts of time focusing on their fear and the object of their fear. This is so preoccupying that they don’t see the encroaching authoritarianism.
Year 12 – is that the equivalent of 12th grade in the US?
Are run of the mill people in Australia aware that the vaccinated can still contract and transmit Covid?
Are run of the mill people in Australia aware of the myocarditis/pericarditis risks, of the blood clot risks?
Are they really going to permit their precious children to get jabbed?
WTF is going on?(Or perhaps there it is like so many senior citizens here, most of whom are completely unaware that there are significant numbers of vaccine adverse reactions. They have been convinced by the propaganda that all of the “noise” about adverse reactions is just baseless anti-vaxx kerfuffle.)
Regarding digital wallets, I attended a professional basketball game yesterday. (My son got free tickets for doing the county reading program.). There are no paper tickets. The ONLY ticket format is with a smartphone app or a web link that is received via text message. I guess those without smartphones don’t go to basketball games.
The tickets were texted from the same source that sent a one-time use code to access a Microsoft account. Ah. So they are using Microsoft services for the tickets.
Regarding the Florida schools, mask bans, etc.
If the feds are backing this, and if the feds win the issue, what’s going to happen when the issue is vaccine passports rather than masks?I wonder…is the Biden admin going to fund ALL school districts defying state law regarding masking?
My daughter’s school district is defying the AZ legislature and requiring masks. My sons’ school district is following AZ law. Apparently, the AZ law doesn’t technically go into effect until Sep 29…and the governor appears to be measuring constituent opinion before taking a stand.Bitcoin advert…
Once again, I fail to see the point. Currency should be related to earth resources managed in a sustainable fashion and the human capacity and desire to perform labor. A bunch of computers crunching data to solve problems…does not relate to the really existing economy.Regarding masking, the most influential item for me was the video created by a retired doctor who demonstrated aerosols and various types of masks with a vape. I could SEE the particles and where they went. This put everything else into perspective and after a few days I saw masking as only a social ritual.
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@ Red
Thanks for the article on energy and GND. I came to similar conclusions years ago. (Which is one of many reasons I will move away from Arizona in a few years. If the system fails, it is easier to heat residential space than to cool it.)The inverter for my solar array has been humming along for 10 years, despite the article stating the life span is 5-8 years. Practically speaking, it is highly inefficient to convert all of the DC power from solar panels to AC power, especially since so many of the devices in the home are transforming the power back to DC. Solar panels don’t need to be junked due to age. They do slowly degrade, but can still be used for much longer than the 20-30 years cited — they just won’t produce as much energy as they did originally. Which is okay for a new paradigm that acknowledges constraints, but not acceptable by current standards.
The article dismisses batteries — I am aware of salt water batteries, which is a technology that is a “non-toxic” way to store intermittent electricity. I don’t see it as a “solution” to the crisis, but simply as a means of storing some electricity for later use. (Salt water batteries are too large and heavy for use in vehicles, however, home applications are practical.)
Ultimately, humanity is using more energy than can be sustained with current technology. I no longer believe that “technology will save us.” No, we need to vastly reduce our energy consumption and learn to consume energy efficiently, in a manner complementary with the earth’s systems. This requires a new narrative.
“ the world must abandon neoliberal capitalism’s material growth imperative and face head-on that material life after fossil fuels will closely resemble life before fossil fuels. ”
True.
Although, I disagree with the world one-child policy. I understand the justifications, but the ends do not justify the means. The narrative will change, and the new narrative will need to include the idea that humanity is working towards a more steady state population. The new narrative should place no obligation on individuals to procreate — there are many adults who choose not to — and provide effective birth control to those who desire it. Also, let’s face it, if our society is crumbling it is quite likely that healthcare will take a tumble as well, and infant mortality will likely rise. It is an unpleasant specter…but one has to wonder — what is kinder: A totalitarian law that mandates one child per couple with penalties for those who disobey, along with abortion, infanticide, child trafficking, etc.? Or, an understanding that societal breakdown will likely lead to higher infant mortality? I am a parent of teens. The best teacher is often “natural consequences,” rather than “engineered consequences,” as much as I might want to save my kids from grief.
And…just for me, alone, without medical intervention I probably never would have had children. Without medical intervention I would have died in child birth. Without medical intervention, I would have grown up an only child. (Rh factor.). Which is kinder? Nature? Or totalitarian rule?
@ deflationista
It is impossible to “debunk” the female infertility fears because these vaccinations have not existed long enough for the data to exist that would either prove or disprove whether or not the C19 jabs affect female fertility.
Generally, a couple must actively try to get pregnant for one year and fail to do so before “a problem with fertility” can be diagnosed. Most people of child bearing years didn’t start to get the C19 vaccinations until this past spring.
The study cited by Michael Yeadon neither proves nor disproves that the C19 jabs will materially affect female fertility. It suggests that during a small window the body increases production of an antibody that attacks a protein involved in placental formation. The study suggests that there is merit in conducting further studies. That is it. No smoking gun.
@ Thomas JK
<<Sorry, folks. I’m a bit sour this week. My mother, of all people, offered to bribe me to take the shot. All I can do is counter with a firm “No.” >>
Ouch!Deflationista
“ Capitalism likes to encourage capitalizing on things. And that may simply be what we are seeing.”Yes, that is why I am slow to state that this is about reducing the population…while I acknowledge that there are some powerful people who have floated that idea…I have seen no direct evidence. (Although, there are powerful players who don’t seem to mind if some die.). It is completely possible that this entire pandemic mess was about some very powerful pharmaceutical companies (and their investors) increasing their profits tidily.
I rank a lot of what I come across. Much of it goes in the “maybe” pile. That is where I put the concerns about the Covid vaccine causing infertility. Hence I noticed Michael Yeadon’s comment in the video today, which led to the tiny study that suggests, at the very least, there are a few days after vaccination that if they correspond with embryo implantation, that may cause a problem. Earth shattering? No. It’s a few days. It’s a tiny study that suggests more study should be done.
“ A global pandemic should be a time where we pool resources and attempt to find some deeper value and connection. ”
Yes.
Interesting — just ran into the problem of a different total of comments appearing on different devices. I usually use my iPad — which is currently charging. Laptop shows 86 comments spanning 3 pages. Android smartphone shows 77 comments spanning 2 pages. I’m using up-to-date Firefox browser on both devices. Was on laptop — I type faster on a full keyboard — switched to android phone to listen to a video since my laptop speakers are mostly non-functional, and noticed the discrepancy.
Odd.
Most days I do an exercise program on my virtual reality headset, which is set to music. Today, during one of the songs, the fitness trainer said the following:
“The rhythm of this song feels like freedom…. Just let yourself go to the beat.”
Freedom = Submission
Reminded me of the oft-written words of Dr. D & George Orwell.
I just occurred to me…
ALL of the unvaccinated against C19 are (eventually) going to end up getting C19 – because C19 is endemic and here to stay. They will either survive or die. If they survive (and most will survive), they will essentially have “perfect” and “sterilizing” natural immunity. Meanwhile, if TPTB have their way, those unvaccinated against C19 will be stripped of their civil rights — unable to vote, unable to congregate, unable to recreate indoors in public, unable to travel. Meanwhile, those submitting to C19 vaccination will vote, congregate, recreate, travel, but with the caveat of periodic boosters to C19 — because their immunity to C19 (whether they have already had it or not) will be “imperfect,” “non-sterilizing,” and wane about every 4-6 months from their most recent injection. (The natural immunity to C19 suppressed by the C19 vaccine & its boosters.) Those who have submitted to C19 vaccination will always be subject to fear of C19 — knowing always that they can still catch it, can still transmit it to those that they love, and there will still be C19 deaths and C19 “waves.”
This sounds like a dystopic series on Netflix. This is ridiculous.
From that Yeadon article (looks like I’ve answered my own question)
The Syncytin family of proteins are considered critical for the formation and successful maintenance of the placenta. Therefore, no matter how weak the homology between spike protein and syncytins, the concern arose that, upon making a strong immune response to spike protein, some women might generate an immune response to their own placental proteins. This concern would, in this reviewer’s experience of over 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry, be met technically with a small series of studies to examine, hopefully to rule out, this concern. There are a number of ways in which this could be done. It is not difficult to devise a clinical study to evaluate whether or not women administered a covid-19 vaccine develop circulating antibodies to syncytin-1. Such a study has just been reported as a pre-print: (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.23.21257686v1.full.pdf)
15 healthy young women were recruited to the study and were administered the Pfizer / BioNTech covid-19 vaccine. Blood was drawn at various times afterward and the relative amount of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and to syncytin-1 was measured.
In the first 1-4 days after vaccination, there was no measurable increase in antibodies to the spike protein. However, there was a striking (2 to 3-fold; marked by a vertical, red arrow) increase in antibody binding to syncytin-1. It is the judgement of this reviewer that the increase in antibodies to syncytin-1 at that time is ‘statistically significant’, that is, it is very unlikely to have occurred by chance. It is not possible to state what this extent of increase means, but it is consistent with an increased risk of first trimester pregnancy loss. That the elevation of anti-syncytin-1 antibodies was absent by 4 weeks doesn’t diminish the potential for harm at early times after vaccination.
@ Raul
This is the “fact checker” version:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-syncytin/fact-check-available-mrna-vaccines-do-not-target-syncytin-1-a-protein-vital-to-successful-pregnancies-idUSKBN2A42S7New Michael Yeadon article on childrensealthdefense
Somewhat evenhanded approach from about 6 months ago:
Tellingly, a quick search yields hundreds of articles claiming that the claim that the vaccines may affect fertility in this way is false — I struggle to even find the inflammatory articles making the rounds 6 months ago that made this claim. Censorship in action.
I haven’t read the Yeadon article yet.
@ deflationista
I’m really perplexed as to why you share this video. Yes, this woman is caught in a box of her own beliefs. She is a converted, “true believer.”
This sort of person occurs in all societies, in all social strata, in all movements. I am reminded of my youth when we were encouraged to “bear down” with “pure testimony” to those who weren’t Mormon. We were told that this was strength on our part, that it would convince others that they were wrong. Lol. No, actually, it just helped to calcify us into self-perpetuation of our beliefs.
There may be folks at TAE who are operating similarly to this woman. Since this is a written forum and a large bulk of the posts are simply sharing articles and studies and others’ opinions, it would be difficult to judge whether anyone here is operating from that mindset.
Is this meant as a reminder not to fall into the trap this woman finds herself in? If so, noted.
Is this meant as a representational caricature of the bulk of us who post here? If so, that is a curious ad hominem. Still, as my father used to say, “If the shoe fits…wear it.” And then my mother would add, “If not, ignore it.”
I remain perplexed as to your purpose in posting it. So I looked back at your comment. It is about human stupidity. Well, perhaps humans behaving stupidly really gets under your skin. Okay. We all have our triggers.
Personally, one of my triggers is when humans behave narcissistically — totally puts me on edge.Dr Michael yeadon…
Just stated that he is aware that the vaccines DO create antibodies against that placental protein.Up to now I understood this to be a “wild anti-vaxx” theory. (Well, I didn’t think it Wild…rather simply thought it should be explored.)
Anyone aware of a study that verifies his statement that we now know that antibodies to this placental protein are being created?
I suppose it wouldn’t be so hard to create a study to see this…just need blood serum from some vaccinated folks, mix it with the placental protein being discussed and then use whatever method(s) is/are commonly used to see if binding is occurring.Still doesn’t prove that this will affect fertility, but the likelihood increases greatly.
Dr d: “ “and why vaccinated people can’t tap out of the pandemic’s collective problem” Because vaccines don’t work. Otherwise getting them WOULD tap out the problem. But unvaccinated can’t tap it out either. Because if they get vaccinated, they will be in Body 2, who can NOT tap out of the problem. Answer: NO ONE can tap out of the problem, vaccinated or no. So Vaccines don’t work.”
And…the mainstream narrative is succeeding every time anyone devolves into a narrative of “the vaccinated” vs. “the unvaccinated.”
“ : NO ONE can tap out of the problem”
I disagree. I am “tapped out of the problem” of fearing Covid. I survived. I have natural immunity.
My only problems?
Keeping myself and kids free of the vaccine.
Maintaining my civil liberties while being assigned to a group of people that are being denigrated as social pariahs.Joe Biden’s handlers want to prevent me from crossing state lines.
If I don’t get my passport renewed I won’t be able to take domestic flights soon. (I refuse to carry an ID with an RFID chip around with me continually.). It may become a moot point, because “the unvaccinated” (including those naturally immune) won’t be able to board any commercial flights.I remember, as a young child, asking the adults around me why we were opposed to communism in our country (USA). I remember being told that in communist countries one was perpetually told to show one’s papers to do anything.
Re GBV
So, he says that C19 variants will eventually escape the natural immunity developed by those who had Covid early on, because of the evolutionary pressure of the non-sterilizing vaccines.
Hm.
I strongly suspect that he knows what he is talking about.
It seems to all ultimately hinge on how rapidly the virus mutates. The virus does appear to be mutating quickly enough to escape the C19 vaccine inspired antibodies. However, since the vaccines in use by the west all focus solely on the spike protein, there is not currently strong selective pressure for the virus to evade acquired antibodies to the other parts of C19.This is the first science-based analysis I’ve seen that could explain why unvaccinated folks are reputed to be getting worse Covid cases than the breakthrough cases. However, I’m not certain yet whether or not that claim is fact or propaganda.
GVB excels at spinning worst case scenarios based on a life spent studying pandemics, viruses, etc.
It is difficult to know where the facts end and the propaganda begins, making it difficult to know whether we are truly on a trajectory for GVB’s scenario.
I suppose the precautionary approach for someone based on GVB’s worst case scenario for someone who already survived Covid would be to boost the immune system so that if a vC19 is encountered that evades existing acquired Abs that the innate immune system will be robust and up to the challenge. I don’t have ivermectin, but I have several other medicines that have been found effective against C19 in my medicine cabinet, due to them being prescribed to household members over the years.~~~~~~
Regarding deflationista..
I find the rhetoric arrayed against D to be troubling. It is one thing to refute an article or an argument with sound logic. Instead, I mostly see (written) emotion being hurled.
I have not been impressed with the evidence shared by D to refute the dominant narrative at TAE. However, much of the response to it has been ad hominem.
While all of this is very human…humanity is also capable of being tolerant and humane.If this comes across as a rebuke, well, that is its intent. We are all a product of our backgrounds, experiences, and our thought processes and emotions. We can be wise and measured, but it often takes effort.
I also don’t write this from a pedestal — I, too, have emotionally responded to Deflationista posts. (And often, when I haven’t done so, it is because other obligations kept me from it, not because I was actively practicing my own advice.).
I appreciate greatly the TAE community. It is a beacon of sanity.
@ Teri
Thx for analysis of Pfizer mRNA lucuferase studyAlso, found out today that my client’s GF with blindness suddenly in one eye — her eye is bleeding into her brain. Weird stuff happens to the vaccinated….
@ TAE Summary
Nicely done.
Regarding vaccines…
The framers weren’t interested in whether or not some died from the vaccines (it just needs to be few enough that it doesn’t up-end the plan of getting all population of developed nations vaxxed,) didn’t care about long term effects. I can imagine the representative of the framers having the conversation with the scientist(s) in charge of the study..Well, sure, some will succumb to the vaccine, and you have no idea about the long term effects, but will it show a reduction in disease mortality?
Yes, it should.
Ok, good. We’ll move forward with human trials.
Already? There are some real concerns here….
I understand. We’ll find out in the human trials if there are any major short term issues, and you say that there shouldn’t be.
Well, no. In the short term it *should* work, but in the long term….
You don’t need to worry about the long term. You’ll be paid and living in Cancun or wherever else you want to be, with a nice bank account. It won’t be your problem. Rest easy.@ Oroboros
I say social control because…
(1) Dr. David Martin referencing Fauci wanting a pan-influenza/pan-corona virus vaccine and related info in his interview with Herr Fuellmich.
(2) All of the fear and propaganda and censorship is funneling towards vaccination.Vaccination accomplishes:
(1) money to the vaccine makers and their investors
(2) fear leading to release from fear that is granted by the oppressor – Stockholm syndrome
(3) population conditioned to periodic submission of injection of pharmacological substances that can be fine-tuned for multiple purposes (fertility reduction, mind control, making population more docile, population reduction, etc.)
(4) a palatable reason for authoritarian measures of control: vaccine passports, identity of who enters what building, acceptance of censorship for the “well-being” of the population, etc.
(5) creation of a pariah class that can be scapegoatedThese are already happening.
What does the parasitical class wish to do with this social control?
I don’t have any any “smoking guns,” so we can only conjecture based on circumstantial evidence.I do not believe that the design of the pandemic + vaccine was population reduction.
1) There does not appear to have been enough prior testing of either the disease or the vaccine in human populations to adequately ascertain what the death count would be from the virus or the vaccine.
2) I have seen no “smoking gun” type evidence that this is designed to greatly reduce population — all the evidence suggesting population reduction as the aim is circumstantial.
However, I suspect that the sociopaths who triggered/allowed/hoped/planned for a pandemic have no qualms over the pandemic and vaccination campaign causing death. They simply don’t value human life outside of their own narrow circle.
There is substantial evidence that the goal of the pandemic was
1) To instill fear in the population, which would
2) lead to the population becoming amenable to steerage and authoritarian controls and
3) submitting en masse to a vaccination campaign with a substance not fully disclosed, that would
4) lead to the population expecting and regularly submitting to injections, which opens up a Pandora’s box of possibilities for future social control (and/or population reduction.)The Covid virus is not all that deadly — that is likely by design. The goal was induction of fear that would lead to injection.
The vaccine was expected to have negative effects (as per SPARS document) and so the narrative was spun to minimize facts of adverse vaccine reactions from the get go. However, I suspect that the side effects of the vaccine are much worse than the architects of the pandemic + vaccination campaign had imagined. I find the ultimate goal to have been social control. A vaccine that is too deadly and damaging to the body undermines the goal of social control. Once problems with the vaccine become so large that people see them showing up anecdotally in their own social circles it becomes increasingly difficult to control the narrative.This is why there is such pressure for all to be vaccinated, why doctors are being threatened with loss of their license for speaking out, why there is a rush for FDA approval, why the Biden administration is talking of censoring private text messages, etc. The goal was social control, the medium was to be the vaccine. The vaccine is proving to be nearly useless in treating the disease, and so deadly and disabling in the first 6 months that the mainstream narrative is fraying at the seams.
Parasitical idiots. (Of course, I’m glad that they are idiots.)
I decided a few years back that arguing with my conservative family members about “global warming” was pointless. Much more effective to point out how we humans were polluting the planet and point out that we were being “bad stewards.” (Since their religion suggests god wants them to be “good stewards” it was a good place to start the conversation from.). Why argue about warming when there are so many other points to agree about? The vast majority of humans (capitalist sociopaths excepted) prefer not to pollute the planet once they understand the extent of the pollution. Most of us find the natural world beautiful. What we need is to work together to make changes…and our leaders are either themselves capitalist sociopaths or are funded by the capitalist sociopaths, so expecting effective change from that lot is a joke.
Ooh…chickens. I like chickens. Silly little busybodies. Tomorrow I’ll return home and see my hens again, lol.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because she and her sister were ‘splorin’ and the greens over there looked mighty good.
(I had a pair of white brahmas do that once.)@ absolute galore — do you not at least have joint medical decision making for your child?
My ex broached the subject in an email a couple of weeks back. I simply responded that I would not support the kids getting vaccinated against Covid at this time. If he wants to pursue it further, that requires mediation and/or court.
