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Neurologist here. Bell's palsy is not GBS. And neither one can happen within hours of a vaccine. Immune mediated reactions cannot happen that quickly.
Please stick to computer mice or whatever it is you normally do. pic.twitter.com/Gtj98D0nyO
— Dan Freedman, DO (@dfreedman7) November 9, 2021
Beep. Bop. Boop.
Coronavirus infections might cause lasting harm to the heart, even in those who have never had symptoms
Beep. Bop. Boop. Awaiting pearl clutching discussion like this here at TAE:
Uber-smileys. pic.twitter.com/koErb09TLK
— Christopher Snowdon (@cjsnowdon) November 7, 2021
Beep. Bop. Boop.
Who could have thunk it?! Someone was actually profiteering off of gullible victims swallowing up the ivermectin and HCQ misinformation. https://t.co/zCbiuiedV9
— Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) November 7, 2021
Reminder: Current guidance is that EVERYONE (including children and adolescents) who has had Covid get cardiac clearance before returning to sports of any kind!
🫀🏀⚾⚽🫀Ohio State study: 30% of student athletes have heart damage linked to COVID-19 https://t.co/gnBTR0GPff
— Diana Berrent Güthe (@dianaberrent) January 2, 2021
Yet another ivermectin study retracted. I'm losing count of the retractions.
How many hundreds of thousands of Americans have taken #ivermectin?Participate in clinical trials if you would like to help the world find answers for possible #covid19 therapy.https://t.co/8uVatsIS51 https://t.co/YXXqQER11r
— David Boulware, MD MPH (@boulware_dr) November 3, 2021
Hey remember when HPV vaccine was the “controversial” one that the antivax movement swore didn’t work?
They were wrong about that one too.
Just throwing this out there, maybe they just hate vaccines and don’t care about the science.https://t.co/BUhpUTSZ5k
— Nathan Boonstra, MD (@PedsGeekMD) November 4, 2021
63.7 million/ 53,703 = 1,186 deaths
1,186 deaths/ 63.7 million participants = .0000186%
Rare.
WOW. So, not only can you do math, but you also prove the fucking point! Well done! No one said it wasn’t rare. Only that this happens year in, year out. But you dummies suggest it has something to do with covid vaccines. Raul posts an article about it and another one was posted in the comments about athletes collapsing. The suggestion being that it is a new phenomenon due to covid vaccines. The article describes dozens of collapses or deaths. Then, you “do the math”.
So, let me follow your “logic”. Dozens of deaths are written about in a way to suggest there is a real problem with the vaccines. We learn that this is not as uncommon as the article and commentariat suggest. Thousands of articles exist pointing out that fact. Articles about FIFA taking precautions about this a decade ago are ignored. You suggest it is no big deal, because it is rare, but then provide the numbers of people per year that actually die.
Thanks for not only proving the point, but for also pointing out that the original articles should have also done the math to make their article even scarier than it was trying to be. And the dummies here would have made an even bigger deal about it than they already have.
So. Painfully. Stupid.
Ironically, your .000186 calculation is also about the chance a person has of developing myocardiitis from the vaccine. But, people here like to characterize that as some sort of incredibly dangerous amount. And has become a big talking point as to how dangerous the vaccines are. My guess is, you are probably one of them. Your chance of developing myocarditis complications from contracting covid are far greater than the vaccine, but you twits focus on the shiny object that you think bolsters your delusions. And then you turn around and tell me how rare sudden cardiac death is with athletes? Jesus Christ. What’s weird is you don’t even know how dumb it looks.
Until 2021, that is.
Yeah, until people like you look for correlations where ever you can. Then, and only then, is it a thing, and you think it is because of something other than what it has been about for decades.
So. Fucking. Dumb.
I love people, in this cesspool of disinformation, claiming some links are beyond the pale. And then they drool over links posted here from places like Epoch Times, Infowars, etc and the daily BS that gets posted here as if it was fact. Use google yourself dip shit. It’s not very difficult. There are thousands of articles showing that what you are saying is not a thing, IS a thing. And has been. For decades.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-soccer-cardiac-screening-idUSKBN1KT2M8
https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odh/know-our-programs/lindsays-law/lindsays-law
Do I really need to go on?
With sudden cardiac death, people who seem to be perfectly healthy can die suddenly. Each year up to 40,000 Canadians die of sudden cardiac arrest. A significant proportion of these cases occur in otherwise healthy, young individuals.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121029082411.htm
Sudden cardiac arrest, a deadly condition that occurs when the heart unexpectedly stops beating, has long been a conundrum for heart doctors. It kills more than 300,000 Americans each year, and was generally believed to strike without warning.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sudden-cardiac-arrest-may-have-warning-signs-after-all/
Sudden cardiac death is the most common medical cause of death in athletes, with an incidence of around 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 80,000 athletes per year according to the most recent estimates.
You’re a dummy.
New York to address sudden cardiac arrest in student athletes:
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2021/10/26/new-york-to-address-sudden-cardiac-arrest-in-student-athletesSudden cardiac arrest is a leading killer of college athletes. Here’s the NCAA’s plan of attack. FROM 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/06/sudden-cardiac-arrest-is-a-leading-killer-of-college-athletes-heres-the-ncaas-plan-of-attack/AEDs can prevent young athletes from dying of sudden cardiac arrest
https://www.aappublications.org/news/2017/09/07/AED090717Do you need more?
Maybe you know how to use google? You should try it. If you are a really smart user of google, you could put in a custom date range and find articles about
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sudden cardiac arrest
from many years ago that had nothing to do with your fucking delusions.
45 years of watching sports. Know how many I heard die in their prime? One. Lenny Bias, from a drug.
Maybe you should pay better attention.
Hey everybody- because PTBarnum hasn’t heard of sudden cardiac arrest—- it means it isn’t a thing!
Fucking. Dumbbbbbbb.
I have hunch these involve clotting. Different mechanism, Hard to now without proper autopsies.
Of course you do.
I have a hunch that this sort of thing has been going on for a long time, because, frankly, it has.
I also have a hunch that you will ignore that piece of the equation.
Maybe you missed the article I posted? From 2012. You know, when elite athletes were dying on the pitch? And it was common enough for articles to ask why? Maybe you missed the fact that FIFA has been issuing AED-Sudden cardiac arrest emergency bags since like 2013? I wonder what vaccine was causing that back then?
Or maybe you just want to keep the delusion alive.
Reminds me of being like 10 years old and trying to scare ourselves as kids. Every dark corner had a monster. The woods had the Jersey devil, or big foot. UFO’s were real. Every light in the sky was definitely a UFO. I don’t think some of you have progressed beyond that level.
Jesus Christ. Oooooooh. A list of athletes who died? Must have been the vaccine. Surely it was!
One of them, Alex Apolinario, died in early January. I wonder if he had the special, early vaccine? Probably. Because, when an athlete dies, or really, when anyone dies, you dummies correlate it to your pathetic delusions.
Here is an article from 2012 talking about why there are so many young athletes having heart attacks or collapsing or even dying. Hey- maybe they had the reaaaaaaaly early covid vaccine? That’s gotta be it!
You. People. Are. Fucking. Crazy.
The fact that this may be the first time you heard of this is not surprising.
Stewpeter and stewpeter.
This guy said his body was magnetic after being around vaccinated people. pic.twitter.com/5IHiZwe1iN
— Sabatini beta male (@patriottakes) October 29, 2021
Most of you seem to be getting stewpeter and stewpeter.
“There are a lot of communists that sit in our elected government currently. I know that. That’s a fact.” pic.twitter.com/Jk6Rc8p5V6
— Sabatini beta male (@patriottakes) October 29, 2021
Wisconsin's monthly breakthrough graphic is always interesting. Expand for full effect. pic.twitter.com/JeIqtTUTp8
— Aaron Miller (@amillerphd) October 15, 2021
Raul-
Maybe you should read the damn article that contains the quote? And then ask yourself why you keep pushing a certain narrative.
Love,
def@phoenixvoice said:
That is why medical studies undergo peer review. That is why they are labeled “preprint” before peer review. If anyone isn’t aware of the significance of peer review, then that person is ignorant. Ignorance happens.
Well, here you go. Ignorance happens:
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the claim that a repurposed medication miraculously both prevents and cures a fatal disease is quite extraordinary.
On close scrutiny the in vitro data and clinical trials do not support the use of ivermectin, which is why no reputable organization recommends it. The story isn’t over as there are more clinical trials in progress, but based on what we know so far, it doesn’t look promising for this “miracle cure.””
https://onepagericu.com/blog/debunking-ivermectin-a-complete-guide
Maybe read this thread regarding Uttar Pradesh:
People promoting ivermectin keep saying "But what about Uttar Pradesh!!" as if this analysis wasn't truly woeful and totally incorrect
A short thread 1/10 https://t.co/n6DEsKIm11
— Health Nerd (@GidMK) September 21, 2021
phoenixvoice said:
That is why medical studies undergo peer review. That is why they are labeled “preprint” before peer review. If anyone isn’t aware of the significance of peer review, then that person is ignorant. Ignorance happens.
I am glad to see more and more people here willing to admit to the importance of due diligence when reviewing medical studies. Maybe you would be interested in the reviews associated with many of the ivermectin studies that formed the opinions of many here and the FLCCC? Many of those studies now appear to be based entirely on fraud, and most of the others are of such poor quality that it would be impossible to conclude that ivermectin is a “miracle drug”. But people (here) do! And they will continue. Just like they continue to push the hydroxychloroquine BS. Ignorance truly does happen.
Dr. D-
Thanks for the suggestion. I have shared retracted studies. Mainly about ivermectin. But I am usually met with ridicule and ignorance or suggestions that anecdotal successes are more important because RCTs can’t replicate conditions on the front lines. I am glad that someone here is interested in basic due diligence and whether or not fraud is used in the studies that are cited. Studies, I remind you, that form the foundation of the claims of a “miracle drug”.
Also, I am so glad that you are concerned with the myocarditis risk associated with the vaccines. These risks are known. They work out to about 9 cases out of every 100,000 people. That seems like a fairly low risk compared to the risk of developing myocarditis if you were to contract covid-19. That risk is right around 16 times higher for someone who contracts covid-19, or 150 cases out of 100,000.
A pre-print study that overstated the risk of contracting myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination was retracted due to a miscalculation – but not before it featured in social media posts questioning vaccine safety
“When you really want to believe something — like ‘you can’t trust the vaccines’ — you’ll come up with any number of rationalizations,” Van Bavel said. “It’s like whack-a-mole. You falsify one premise and they just create a new one.”
This is a well-documented social phenomenon. In a new book by Van Bavel and Lehigh psychology professor Dominic Packer, The Power of Us, the authors recount one controversial work of social science in the 1950s. Social psychologists infiltrated a doomsday cult to find out how the members would react when their promised date of salvation — the day that a UFO would come to Earth and take them away — came and went without the prophecy coming true.
The researchers found that when the prophecy failed, most people didn’t quit the cult. They didn’t discard their old beliefs, protest that they had been lied to, and desert the cult’s leader. Instead, the leader offered his followers a brand new narrative, which many of them accepted: Their fervent faith had been so powerful that the apocalypse had been averted.
It wasn’t that the prophecy was wrong. Instead, the followers believed they had been so right that the cult had actually saved the world. Such contortions are a survival mechanism when living inside a worldview that runs up against reality.
I posted a twitter thread from Jeremy Kamil. It was his thread. Not mine. I found it interesting, because I never thought about it. And neither did you.
His credentials can be found here:
Do you need me to do any more simple tasks that you could easily do on your own?
Hey PTBarnum:
Maybe you should ask a virologist. Or read a book. Or “do your own research”.
Now I know why you are so confused about so many things.
Maybe you should read the thread and quit making assumptions about everything you pretend to read.
Or are you just the village idiot?
People promoting ivermectin keep saying "But what about Uttar Pradesh!!" as if this analysis wasn't truly woeful and totally incorrect
A short thread 1/10 https://t.co/n6DEsKIm11
— Health Nerd (@GidMK) September 21, 2021
When you see a vitamin supplement that says “Supports Immunity” .. remember the same vitamins (like vitamin D) that support replication of immune cells also support replication of viruses.
— Jeremy Kamil (@macroliter) September 30, 2021
They spent $6 million to learn that Biden actually got more votes. Grifters gonna grift.
Fucking morons.
After watching Arizona waste $6 million dollars in a nationally embarrassing election audit fiascos (that found no fraud, but even more Biden votes) …
Gov. Abbott caves to Trump and do the same thing in Texas. (a state that Trump won)
https://t.co/28Es3x5X65— Gene Wu (@GeneforTexas) September 24, 2021
Twitter suspended the account of the new Surgeon General of Florida.
You are in ok company, I guess.The new Surgeon General in Florida? You mean the guy who is part of MAGA’s infamous America’s Frontline Doctors group that gave that hours long “White Coat Summit” on the steps of the Supreme Court? The group of cranks founded by that crazy person, Simone Gold, who was arrested on January 6th after storming the US Capitol, and that demon sperm lady, Stella Immanuel? The same group which is featured prominently in posts and comments by people here who call themselves thinkers? His first act? No more quarantine rules for children testing positive in schools. It’s like Florida got jealous that Idaho took the lead in stupidity.
NEW: Florida’s new Surgeon General, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, was a strong proponent of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID.
He was in a viral video – now removed from social media – discussing his belief that the drug helps COVID patients.
Here’s a portion 👇 pic.twitter.com/xPzfMKmEud
— Jay O'Brien (@jayobtv) September 21, 2021
Antivaxxers love to cite rising case numbers that include cases in unvaxxed kids as evidence vaccines don’t work. Then they insist kids should be excluded when you calculate vaccination rates in the population. I can never tell if they’re being willfully deceptive or just stupid.
For instance, antivaxxers love to claim that Israel and Scotland are highly vaxxed, because they’ve vaxxed a high pct of adults, and to then point to the number of cases in those countries as evidence vaxxes don’t work.
But what they never mention is that 40%+ of Israel’s cases since its summer surge started have been in kids, most of whom are unvaxxed. And Scotland’s recent surge has been propelled by cases in unvaxxed kids.
If you count cases only in adults, then it’s fine to exclude kids from vax calculations. Otherwise, ignoring kids when you cite countries’ vax rates is a quintessential case of lying with statistics.
Antivaxxers love to cite rising case numbers that include cases in unvaxxed kids as evidence vaccines don't work. Then they insist kids should be excluded when you calculate vaccination rates in the population. I can never tell if they're being willfully deceptive or just stupid. https://t.co/W4hqNPoOJ3
— James Surowiecki (@JamesSurowiecki) September 24, 2021
Local board meetings are the backbone of America. pic.twitter.com/eQxI0QsMCQ
— The Recount (@therecount) September 22, 2021
Seems real solid.
Another middle-aged person done in by the vaccine:
A friend of my partner’s best friend died a few days ago from a heart attack. He was in his 40s. He had been vaccinated about 6 months prior.Only 65 out of 33,000 healthcare workers (0.19%) in Maine have quit their jobs over a statewide vaccine mandate announced for healthcare workers last month, new employment data reveals https://t.co/ZbaXrZAflR
— Nathan Bernard (@nathanTbernard) September 21, 2021
