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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle May 6 2021 #74594
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    Something I noticed today:

    There’s a blood disorder, Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS), which currently (updated April 29) has four criteria for diagnosis.

    (American Society of Hematology)
    Diagnosis (must meet all four criteria):

    1. COVID vaccine (Johnson & Johnson/AstraZeneca only to date) 4 to 30 days previously
    2. Venous or arterial thrombosis (often cerebral or abdominal)
    3. Thrombocytopenia*
    4. Positive PF4 “HIT” (heparin-induced thrombocytopenia) ELISA

    https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia

    So if somebody had symptoms 2,3, and 4, but they previously got the Pfizer or Moderna injection (instead of J&J or AZ), then they wouldn’t qualify for the diagnosis, and they officially don’t have this disorder.

    And if somebody got all these symptoms, except they got the shot 3 days prior, or 31+ days prior, then they don’t have this syndrome.

    It looks like Pfizer and Moderna have somehow been exempted from being associated with this disorder, regardless of the symptoms which occur after their injections.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 6 2021 #74569
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    absolute galore: “How does this affect my 99.4% chance of not dying as a 60-65 yo male?”

    That’s the average “chance of not dying” for somebody in that age group. People with existing T-cell responses against the Covid virus will have an above-average “chance of not dying”, while those without will have a below-average chance.

    Without knowing whether you have, or don’t have, an existing T-cell response, you can just consider the average.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 6 2021 #74564
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    Meanwhile in Europe, the latest data on excess mortality, published today for Week 17, shows the total deaths (all reporting countries combined) are below the baseline (no excess) for all the age groups.

    However, Israel’s excess deaths are above the baseline for all age groups. There is a spike in deaths for the 15-44 age group, above the “significant increase” level.

    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74535
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    So what will change their minds?
    …Make it suck more to not be vaccinated.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/the-people-who-wont-get-the-vaccine/618765/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74504
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    Shots for the “common cold” would also be a durable revenue stream, but…
    “There is uncertainty regarding the efficacy and safety of interventions for preventing the common cold in healthy people.”
    (Sounds like the Covid vaccine interventions, too.)

    Vaccines for the common cold
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28516442/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74502
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    Flu shots are also a “durable revenue stream” for Big Pharma.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74500
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    CD4+ T-cells also can have a role in the activation of CD8 T-cells through an indirect process.

    How do CD4 T cells activate CD8 T cells?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74497
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    CD4+ T-cells release cytokines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_helper_cell

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 5 2021 #74492
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    In yesterday’s comments, Rototillerman wondered whether the Covid vaccines could actually result in more T-cells, in addition to the antibody response. Researchers at Johns Hopkins found that the mRNA vaccines resulted in an increased response of CD4+ T-cells (the “helpers”), but not the CD8+ T-cells (the “killers”).

    https://www.jci.org/articles/view/149335

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 4 2021 #74449
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    FWIW, the CDC finally updated their numbers for estimated total Covid infections, which amount to 114.6 million, or about 34% of the US population (even after I deducted the official number of Covid fatalities, almost 0.6 million, since they are no longer part of the population). This is for the period from from February 2020–March 2021.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 2 2021 #74347
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    This article response in the British Medical Journal BMJ from September 2020 (when Covid deaths in the US and UK were only about a third of what they are now) makes me angry. It’s the first time I’ve heard that Dr. Fauci has been taking 6,000 IU of Vitamin D per day, while the official recommendations in the US have not gone above 800 IU.

    Good news for older women, though. Women evidently produce more T-cells than men, and women’s T-cell response doesn’t diminish with age (unlike men’s).

    And about Japan’s low death rates from Covid: “Japan has the highest proportion of elderly on the planet but despite lack of lockdowns, little mask wearing and high population densities in cities, it escaped with few COVID deaths. Could this, at least in part, be because of extraordinarily high vitamin D levels of over 30 ng/ml in 95% of the active elderly? By comparison, UK average levels are below 20ng/ml”

    T-cells really are the superstars in fighting COVID-19 – but why are some of us so poor at making them?

    German researchers found that a staggering 81% of individuals had pre-existing T-cells that cross-react with SARS-CoV-2 epitopes…

    Antibodies can only latch onto and help destroy pathogens outside cells and may also occasionally, paradoxically, enhance a pathogen’s ability to infect cell instead by antibody dependent ”enhancement” or ADE. It is only the T-cell that can cleverly sense and destroy pathogens inside infected cells using “sensors” which detect foreign protein fragments…

    Research establishments including Yale found that in mild or asymptomatic cases, many T-cells are produced. These were highly varied, responding not just to parts of the Spike, S protein or Receptor Binding Domain but to many other parts of the virus. Notably, in these mild cases there were few or no detectable antibodies. Conversely, the severely ill produced few T-cells with less variety but had plenty of antibodies. What is also of interest is that men produced fewer T-cells than women, and unlike women, their T-cell response reduced with age.

    So why are some people unable to mount a good protective T-cell response? The key to this question might be a 10-year-old Danish study led by Carsten Geisler, head of the Department of International Health, Immunology and Microbiology at the University of Copenhagen [8]. Geisler noted that “When a T cell is exposed to a foreign pathogen, it extends a signalling device or ‘antenna’ known as a vitamin D receptor, with which it searches for vitamin D,”, and if there is an inadequate vitamin D level, “they won’t even begin to mobilize.” In other words, adequate vitamin D is critically important for the activation of T-cells from their inactive naïve state...

    Another intriguing clue is that Japan has the highest proportion of elderly on the planet but despite lack of lockdowns, little mask wearing and high population densities in cities, it escaped with few COVID deaths. Could this, at least in part, be because of extraordinarily high vitamin D levels of over 30 ng/ml in 95% of the active elderly? By comparison, UK average levels are below 20ng/ml…

    Substantially more vitamin D is required for optimal immune function than for bone health. It seems Dr Fauci is not ignorant of this, having apparently confirmed on TV and by email that he takes 6,000 IU daily! (see Dr John Campbell on YouTube Vitamin D and pandemic science, 16 September 2020). Meanwhile the US’s health body continues to recommend only 600-800 IU and the UK’s, only 400 IU.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 2 2021 #74315
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    More cracks are forming in the Covid narrative, even in media stories which espouse the narrative.

    Lina Perl, a licensed clinical psychologist, said that the pandemic has “collectively given everyone almost like an anxiety disorder.” She called the inclination to wear a mask after it’s no longer medically necessary a “safety behavior” that can alleviate some people’s anxieties. “It’s no different than having a drink or taking a drug or running or any number of ways that we kind of manage our anxiety,” she said. “But you can get disconnected from the actual danger.”

    While wearing a mask remains important to stopping the spread of the coronavirus, Perl pointed out that there may be psychological drawbacks to the practice. “One thing we do naturally is look at other people’s faces to gauge how anxious you should be in any given situation,” she said. “Wearing masks all the time has removed that, which actually heightens anxiety, when you don’t know how everyone else is feeling.” Someone smiling at you on the street, for example, is “a way of modulating and regulating our own nervous system,” Perl said.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 1 2021 #74273
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    Raúl Ilargi Meijer: “If 81% have T-cells…”

    As Karl Denninger puts it, “no more than 20% of the population was potentially susceptible to serious disease.” Infections might still happen, but the immune system is better primed to fight it off. This isn’t herd immunity, instead it’s a way of coping with endemic diseases.,

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 1 2021 #74254
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    • It’s Time To Start Shunning The ‘Vaccine Hesitant’
    “…with herd immunity, we’d return to a measure of “normalcy,” meaning indoor dining, movie theaters and hugs.”

    This is based on something Anthony Fauci said last year. Since then, “the science” has a better understanding of the situation. Herd immunity is now considered “probably impossible” but that fact is not getting much coverage in the media.

    From the journal Nature:

    Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible

    1. “It’s unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission”

    2. “Vaccine roll-out is uneven”

    3. “New variants change the herd-immunity equation”

    4. “Immunity might not last forever”

    5. “Vaccines might change human behaviour”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

    That USA Today article seems to be more of the “divide and conquer” distraction, with the unvaccinated being convenient scapegoats for government failures.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 30 2021 #74223
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    More about Israel:

    Update, April 28
    The latest data provided by the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics (updated on April 28 with data until April 4) confirms a substantial increase in deaths since late February. Moreover, on April 26 Israel announced an investigation into cases of heart inflammation after covid vaccinations.


    https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/israel-mortality-65plus-weekly-cbs-april-28-768×441.png

    Israel: Why Is All-Cause Mortality Increasing?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 30 2021 #74218
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    cloudhidden: “Can anyone provide links to severely adverse reactions to the vaccines in what is probably the most vaccinated country?”

    The Israeli People Committee (IPC) says that Israel has shut down its adverse event tracking systems, which “led to an unprecedented flood of thousands of serious adverse event reports after the vaccine on social media.”

    Links to their report and site:
    https://www.the-people-committee.com/translated
    https://www.the-people-committee.com/english

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 30 2021 #74209
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    • Covid-19 Could Cause Strokes Among Young & Healthy People

    So we should conclude that young & healthy people should get the Covid shots, to prevent strokes? Not so fast. What is the actual risk of a young and healthy person having a stroke after a Covid infection? The article gives no indication, but the study provides some indirect clues.

    The study looked at stroke-related cases (acute ischemic stroke, intracranial hemorrhage, and cerebral venous or sinus thrombosis) from 136 hospitals in 32 countries. The total number of stroke-related patients who had a Covid infection, from all these hospitals in all these countries combined, was 432.

    More than 91% of the stroke-related cases involved people over age 40.
    Only 37 of the stroke and stroke-related cases, from 136 hospitals in 32 countries, were under age 40.

    SARS-CoV-2 and Stroke Characteristics
    A Report From the Multinational COVID-19 Stroke Study Group

    [see Table 1]
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/STROKEAHA.120.032927

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 29 2021 #74181
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    VietnamVet: “My next door neighbor has determined that like her this old fogey needs to be vaccinated.”

    For those on the fence about vaccination, these tables might be helpful. I think it’s largely a personal decision about the risks a person is willing to take, and not willing to take.

    I won’t address here the risks of the vaccination, especially to healthy young people with the most of their lives hopefully ahead of them. Instead, I will provide the infection fatality rates, which of course depend on age. The first table comes from the CDC, and was updated last month:

    Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate
    … the best estimate, based on the latest surveillance data and scientific knowledge.

    Infection fatality ratio (Estimated number of deaths per 1,000,000 infections)

    0–17 years old: 20 [0.002%]
    18–49 years old: 500 [0.05%]
    50–64 years old: 6,000 [0.6%]
    65+ years old: 90,000 [9.0%]

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

    The second table is based on international data, and goes into more detail (for example, it divides the 65+ category into four separate categories, and breaks it down for males and females).


    https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/covid%20infection%20fatality%20rate%20death%20rate%20by%20age%20sex_0.png
    from this website:
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

    It’s good to keep in mind that the above numbers are averages, and someone in above-average health for their age group should have even less chance of dying from Covid. I’ll just add that I am relatively healthy and have hobbies that involve outings where I probably have a higher chance of dying than I do from a Covid infection, at my age.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 29 2021 #74162
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    Bill7: “I’m expecting a PMC visitor tomorrow who might have some new [ ] regarding my pointedly unvaccinated status.”

    I wonder if employers are pushing employees to get vaccinated without actually requiring it, because OSHA rules (in the US) stipulate that if the employer requires vaccination, then any adverse reaction is considered “work-related” (with implications about who pays for medical care and time off as a result).


    If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable…

    https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine

    There’s also the issue of whether employers can legally require vaccines having just an EUA. So the HR people might be dancing around the issue of whether vaccination is actually a condition of employment. Just saying that you’re waiting for FDA approval (not just the EUA) might buy some time.

    “But vaccine mandates may still be risky for employers. It is possible that employees who are terminated for refusing to receive a vaccine authorized by the FDA under an EUA could try to pursue claims for wrongful termination in violation of public policy,” Coburn said. “The viability of such claims will depend on applicable state law regarding a potential public policy exception to at-will employment and how courts—state and federal—construe the EUA wording.”

    https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/employer-mandate-covid-vaccine-eua.aspx

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 29 2021 #74153
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    Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy ~95% for at least seven months.
    (The Lancet)

    The vaccinated residents at a nursing home in Kentucky had nowhere near that level of protection. About two months after vaccination, 25% of them were infected during a two-week period. The CDC calculated the vaccine effectiveness for them to be 66% (which takes into account the number of unvaccinated residents who did not become infected).

    COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with a SARS-CoV-2 R.1 Lineage Variant in a Skilled Nursing Facility After Vaccination Program — Kentucky, March 2021
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7017e2.htm

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 29 2021 #74148
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    It looks like “informed consent has been compromised” for the Covid vaccine trial participants.


    Findings
    This quality improvement study of 4 informed consent documents from 4 major COVID-19 vaccine trials found all to be overly long and complex…

    Results
    Among the 4 informed consent documents examined, the mean (range) page count was 21.8 (17-25) pages, and the mean (range) word count was 8333 (7821-9340) words…

    This quality improvement study found that informed consent documents for the phase III randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines did not adhere to the widespread view about how informed consent should occur and what constitutes a good informed consent document…

    Conclusions
    The findings of this quality improvement study suggest that participant informed consent has been compromised by lengthy, complex documents.

    Original Investigation | Ethics
    April 28, 2021
    Assessment of Length and Readability of Informed Consent Documents for COVID-19 Vaccine Trials

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779247

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 28 2021 #74070
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    madamski: Ivermectin protease

    That linked study was published in January 2021. I find it interesting that a similar result for Ivermectin was published much earlier, in April 2020, by researchers primarily at universities in Venezuela and Ecuador. They mentioned that “Interestingly, the energy of interaction of ivermectin with any of the proteins the SARS-CoV-2 and the possible structural alterations at the protein level that this drug can cause have not been reported [before this study].>” Not reported publicly at least, but I’d wager that various drug companies were already studying the interactions between ivermectin and the Covid proteins, and trying to find a way to profit from the knowledge.

    The results obtained suggested that ivermectin is capable of docking with the 3CL protease and the HR2 domain, and may promote structural changes in these proteins by inducing unfolding/folding. Specifically, ivermectin brings protease to a significantly more deployed conformational state and the HR2 domain to a more compact state compared to the native state. Finally, it is shown that B1a and B1b macrocyclic lactones have a behavior different from to each target protein. These results suggest a possible inhibitory effect against SARS-CoV-2 due to a synergistic role of this drug to spontaneously bind to two important proteins involve in the proliferation of this virus

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340787419_Molecular_Docking_and_Molecular_Dynamic_Study_of_Two_Viral_Proteins_Associated_with_SARS-CoV-2_with_Ivermectin

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 28 2021 #74061
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    Rototillerman: …the damn governor is locking down counties again “because of increased hospitalizations.”

    The increased hospitalizations might be due to those who were recently vaccinated being exposed to the virus during their daily lives and coming down with worse reactions from the infection than they would have if they weren’t vaccinated.

    As Karl Denninger explains,

    Note that when you get the shot the first thing you get is antibodies; you may get a T-cell reaction. This pre-existing knowledge, from SARS (CoV-1) entirely explains why people who just got vaccinated often get hammered by the virus and frequently end up in the hospital or die. It marks the premise of attempting to vaccinate out of a pandemic where transmission is actively occurring as stupid.

    You go get the shot. Five days later you get the virus. You have not yet developed immunity and the partial expression makes it worse.

    You would have been better off, by far, taking the same infection straight up front. It likely would have harmed you less.

    This generally applies, by the way, to all vaccines and all viruses. The government and researchers know this. They’ve known this for decades. It’s fact. It’s why you don’t wait until the measles is raging around you to get a measles vaccine and the same is true for the flu shot; you get it before the flu season starts for this very reason. Attempting to vaccinate out of a raging infection does not work and in fact kills people.

    Yeah, if you don’t get infected during that latent period you get protection. But if you do get infected you’re screwed and all of the two-dose shots have a roughly four week window during which you get hosed instead of protected. Israel’s data, by the way, proves this is real; Berenson has been reporting on it since the beginning of the year and I’ve noted it as well.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205

    in reply to: The Virus Is Far From The Biggest Danger #74048
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    Meanwhile, Anthony Fauci co-authored a recent article about treatments for Covid-19, like Ivermectin, Vitamin D and Zinc, in the medical journal Med.

    We have seen outpatient providers utilize many off-label treatments for COVID-19, such as ivermectin, inhaled corticosteroids, fluvoxamine, colchicine, and vitamin and mineral combinations prior to the availability of convincing safety and efficacy data. This approach is in some ways akin to the early usage of hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine and should be curtailed as much as feasible in favor of supportive care and enrollment in clinical trials.

    COVID-19: The therapeutic landscape
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666634021001641

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 28 2021 #74040
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 28 2021 #74033
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    The Market Ticker article (linked above by Germ), discussing that study published in Nature, is extremely interesting.

    From the Nature study:
    “Taken together, SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes enabled detection of post-infectious T cell immunity in 100% of individuals convalescing from COVID-19 and revealed pre-existing T cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals.”

    Karl Denninger’s response:

    Now we know what Diamond Princess happened the way it did. It was never possible for more than 20% of the people on that ship to get seriously-symptomatic Covid-19 despite being cooped up in close quarters for weeks with an aerosol-spread disease and cruise passengers generally being wildly-overrepresented for various morbidity factors. It also completely explains why one of two people quarantined in the same cabin got sick and the other did not.

    We also know why my friend’s grandfather was killed by it but his equally-morbid grandmother was not touched symptomatically even though she tested positive despite literally sleeping in the same bed with him until he wound up in the hospital and ultimately expired.

    We also know why there is no place on the planet that has seen >20% of people with significant, symptomatic disease from Covid-19. Not a single place has had that happen, even where sanitation is crap and people spread it like crazy (e.g. Iran where they lick monuments sequentially — literally.)

    This study explains every single example seen everywhere in the world, including high-concentration examples, of infection with Covid-19 back to the start of the pandemic. We now know why no more than 20% of any exposed population has ever exhibited materially-serious disease — it simply was not possible as no more than 20% of the population was potentially susceptible to serious disease. Ever. Period.

    Beyond the Diamond Princess example, this also rings true for the close quarters of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. The total crew was 4,800. Virtually all of the crew was tested.

    “1271 crew members tested positive for SARS-Cov-2 and an additional 60 had suspected COVID-19 but did not test positive; 76.9% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic at testing and only 55% developed any symptoms.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_USS_Theodore_Roosevelt

    One of Denninger’s conclusions:
    “Short-term prevention of “infection” among the 81% of those with existing T-cell recognition to the nucleocapsid proteins is not only stupid it is likely to kill people over the intermediate and longer term since those who are not vaccinated and get infected with partial resistance build additional and durable immunity via said low-symptom and asymptomatic infections which do not materially harm them and blocking that process is harmful, not helpful. This group includes nearly all young adults and children for which people are trying to force vaccination.”
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242205

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 28 2021 #74025
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    • Oxford Jab ‘Could Be Banned For Under-40s’ After Blood Clot Reports Double (Metro)

    The Norwegian Institute of Public Health (a government agency) has already concluded that there is a “higher risk associated with AstraZeneca vaccine than from COVID-19 disease in Norway.”

    Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian data where the risk of dying from COVID-19 disease among the different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the severe, but rare, condition with severe blood clots observed after AstraZeneca vaccination.

    “Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people,” says Bukholm.

    https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-removed-from-coronavirus-immunisation-programme-in-norw/

    The risk of dying from blood clots caused by the vaccine was found to be higher than the risk of dying from Covid-19. This blood clot issue is enough to rule out the vaccine, without even considering the other potentially harmful effects of the vaccine.

    I wonder why the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine being singled out for the blood clot problem, when “Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca’s“.

    “A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for those who get Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as they are for the AstraZeneca AZN, vaccine that was produced with the university’s help.”
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 27 2021 #74008
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    Today the UK government published the latest report on weekly deaths (from all causes) in England and Wales, for the week ending 16 April (Week 15).

    “This is the sixth consecutive week that deaths have been below the five-year average [2015-2019]”.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 27 2021 #74004
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    Craig Murray posted a good explainer about Julian Assange’s current legal situation:

    The USA has submitted its appeal to the English and Welsh High Court against the decision not to extradite. The defence have submitted their response to the appeal. In doing so they have also submitted a counter-appeal against the many deeply concerning points on which Baraitser ruled extradition was possible, before ruling it out on the sole grounds of medical history and conditions of custody.

    The situation now is complex. The first thing to be said is that the High Court has not yet ruled that the United States government’s grounds for appeal have sufficient legal merit to be considered, and thus accepted the case and set a hearing date. This is taking much longer than usual, and hope is growing that the High Court may rule that the United States’ grounds for appeal are too legally weak to meet the bar of a hearing. If that is the case, Julian could suddenly be released very quickly.

    If the appeal is accepted, a hearing date will be set and the legal grapevine thinks that could be as early as July – much quicker than usual. We then have the further complication that the counter-appeal by the defence is not an automatic process, indeed it is exceptional. The normal procedure would be that the High Court would hear the US appeal on the medical and conditions of imprisonment points and the defence response, and rule on that. Should the US appeal succeed, the High Court would send that judgement back down to judge Baraitser, who would reconvene Westminster Magistrates Court and order the extradition. The defence could then appeal to the High Court against the extradition on all the other grounds, which are numerous but headed by breach of the provision on no political extradition of the Treaty under which the extradition is taking place.

    The whole process would then start again, which would take us well into 2022 with Julian still in jail. The defence hope the High Court would instead take the counter-appeal at the same time and hear all the arguments together, but it is by no means a given the High Court will agree. If the High Court considers the US appeal weak there is a danger that the High Court would also think a hearing on all the other points – which would last weeks – would be an unnecessary waste of its time. Which leads us to the paradox that a quick victory for Julian on health grounds that sees him released, would leave in place as a precedent the awful aspects of Baraitser’s ruling on extradition for political offence being lawful, and on the dismissal of Article X freedom of speech arguments, and the acceptance of US universal jurisdiction over publishing of US classified information worldwide.

    The CIA’s Chinese Walls

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 27 2021 #73991
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    zerosum: “I want to see it. Where is the link to the Israeli People Committee (IPC), april report?
    Pfizer vaccines side effects.”

    Summary:
    https://4a1b9d73-4c47-4f3b-bb08-e515be8958ca.filesusr.com/ugd/3db409_3c4b29f97a7b4e2fb1d8d178ab138b91.pdf

    Full report:
    https://4a1b9d73-4c47-4f3b-bb08-e515be8958ca.filesusr.com/ugd/3db409_340b3b74f3604d8cb085c98bc21cc65e.pdf

    Other translations:
    https://www.the-people-committee.com/translated

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 26 2021 #73925
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    Dimitri: “On Israeli People Committee IPC I tried to google the committee and the people in it … no much luck … very few results”

    From their website, translated from Hebrew:

    The Israeli People’s Committee
    Civil Investigation Commission

    Who we are

    Dr. Pinky Feinstein – Psychiatrist
    Adv. Irit Yankovich – Lawyer
    Adv. Ratam Brown – Lawyer
    Dr. Amir Shachar – Director of the Niado Emergency Room
    Dr. Galit Naor – Family Physician
    Prof. Etty Inhorn – Head of the Department of Accounting, Tel Aviv University
    Adv. Itai Yaffe – Lawyer
    Dr. Moran Kronenberg – Family Physician
    Adv. Aryeh Sucholovsky – Lawyer
    Dr. Yaffa Shir-Raz – Researcher in Health Communication and Risk Communication
    Dr. Yael Pezi in the River – Director of the Laboratory of Structural Biology
    Dr. Ilan Makover – Physician and Family Therapist
    Prof. Nati Ronel – Professor of Criminology
    Dr. Etty Elisha – Doctor of Criminology
    Eitan Marshand – a medical student

    https://www.the-people-committee.com/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 26 2021 #73914
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Isreali Health Body Report on COVID Vax ‘Deadly’ Impacts
    The Israeli People Committee (IPC), a civilian body…

    That group seems to be trying to do the best they can with the data they can find. They say Israel has shut down its adverse event tracking systems, and thousands of people are resorting to social media posts to share their adverse reactions to the vaccine.

    While the Prime Minister of Israel and senior officials of the Ministry of Health brag that Israel serves as a global model for nationwide vaccination, and while they boast that Pfizer has chosen us to be the experimental country thanks to the advanced technological systems of our HMOs [Health Maintenance Organizations], the state has systematically shut down all monitoring and tracking systems, which are designed to identify and alert of adverse events that occur in proximity of receiving the vaccine. This irresponsible conduct by the Ministry of Health during this mass operation providing an experimental treatment to millions of people, regardless of whether such conduct is negligent or intentional, has led to an unprecedented flood of thousands of serious adverse event reports after the vaccine on social media, which seems to be the only forum that still allows people to share their experiences. Surprisingly, such widespread phenomena have not received any media coverage or attention from public officials.

    Adverse Events Report April 2021 english summary
    https://www.the-people-committee.com/translated

    in reply to: One Myopic Dimension #73886
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Regarding India’s usage of ivermectin to treat Covid, it hasn’t been included in their National Clinical Management Protocol for Covid-19, due to “lack of enough evidence”. Only a few Indian states (Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal, Maharashtra, and Assamare) are using it off-label in their protocols to treat coronavirus patients.

    AIIMS Bhubaneswar finds deworming drug ivermectin, used in Delhi to treat Covid, is effective

    https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/health/covid-19-states-ignore-who-recommendation-on-ivermectin-heres-what-doctor-who-wrote-white-paper-on-the-drug-has-to-say/2231596/

    Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, is mentioned as an option in the National Protocol for treating Covid-19:
    https://www.mohfw.gov.in/pdf/ClinicalManagementProtocolforCOVID19.pdf

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2021 #73871
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    @ Mister Roboto

    Whether it’s related to masks or not, Japan’s increases in daily new Covid cases have not been so “explosive” as in other countries like the US and the UK.


    Our World in Data

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2021 #73865
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    What stands out (to me) is that Canada (for example) and India have roughly the same number of new daily Covid cases and deaths (per million), but Canada has about 5 times the number of hospital beds (per million).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2021 #73859
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Some additional perspective:

    Hospital beds per 1,000 people
    Japan 13
    Russia 8
    Germany 8
    France 6
    China 4
    Greece 4
    Italy 3
    Israel 3
    US, UK, Canada, Sweden 2-3
    India 0.5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2021 #73854
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Edit attempt failed on my comment above.
    Daily new cases per million in France are about 2 times higher than India.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 25 2021 #73853
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Some perspective about India:

    A quick look at Our World In Data shows that India’s daily new Covid cases (per million people) are still below the new cases in Germany and France (for example). In France, it’s more than 3 times higher than India.

    A similar picture for daily new Covid deaths (per million people), with Germany having almost twice as many as India, and France having almost three times as many.

    Cases
    Deaths

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 24 2021 #73809
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    An article in The Lancet Infectious Diseases lists reasons why children shouldn’t be given the Covid vaccines.

    1. “using the same approach for delivering vaccines as in adults could exacerbate the incidence of this hyperinflammatory condition [multisystem inflammatory syndrome].

    2. “There is little evidence of secondary infection from children to others in the transmission pathways of COVID-19… vaccinating children cannot be justified if… minimal burden of disease or… if children do not constitute a substantial reservoir for transmission.”

    3. “from an ethical perspective… in offering a COVID-19 vaccine to children that will offer minimal or no direct benefit to the recipient, no benefit to the public, and as yet, unknown medium-term and long-term risks to the recipient.”

    “COVID-19 herd immunity by immunisation: are children in the herd?”
    Stephen Obaro, April 19, 2021

    Overall, the disease burden in children has been reasonably mild, even in those with comorbidities, such as oncological conditions.

    Current vaccines that are authorised for emergency use, approved or in development, do not have a safety or immunogenicity profile in children. In the absence of a better understanding of the pathogenesis of this condition, using the same approach for delivering vaccines as in adults could exacerbate the incidence of this hyperinflammatory condition [multisystem inflammatory syndrome].

    Second, from a public health perspective, it will be necessary to immunise children if they are a major source of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and if the candidate vaccines block transmission. However, epidemiological reports up to now suggest that young children have a high likelihood of developing COVID-19 via household transmission, once a family member tests positive for COVID-19. There is little evidence of secondary infection from children to others in the transmission pathways of COVID-19. Although emerging data suggest that some candidate vaccines can block transmission, vaccinating children cannot be justified if it is to give direct protection despite minimal burden of disease or to help to block transmission if children do not constitute a substantial reservoir for transmission.

    Third, from an ethical perspective, there is a balance between risk and benefit in offering a COVID-19 vaccine to children that will offer minimal or no direct benefit to the recipient, no benefit to the public, and as yet, unknown medium-term and long-term risks to the recipient.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00212-7/fulltext

    in reply to: Save Earth Get Rich #73785
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Jury trials are a vulnerability in the agendas of the “extremely rich people.” The right to jury trial should be protected and defended as necessary.

    “Jury acquits Extinction Rebellion protesters despite ‘no defence in law’”

    Six Extinction Rebellion protesters have been cleared of causing criminal damage to Shell’s London headquarters despite the judge directing jurors that they had no defence in law… Judge Gregory Perrins directed jurors that even if they thought the protesters were “morally justified”, it did not provide them with a lawful excuse to commit criminal damage.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/23/jury-acquits-extinction-rebellion-protesters-despite-no-defence-in-law

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