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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle February 21 2021 #70062
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    A friend of a friend had Covid in December. Despite this he was recently vaccinated. He said it was like having Covid again, and the effects lasted two weeks.

    What worries me about the mRNA vaccines like Pfizer is that they will simulate being infected by Covid for month after month no matter how many antibodies are produced.

    Considering ‘long Covid’ seems to an over-stimulated immune system attacking the body I do wonder what the long term effects of these vaccines will be. Already in the UK hundreds of immune system problems have already been reported.

    I have already refused a vaccinatiion but I am wondering what pressures will be brought to bear for me to relent. The UK government has said restrictions won’t be lifted until everyone over 60 is vaccinated : blackmail. I am retired so the ‘no jab, no job’ threat is not relevant.

    I could be tempted by the Sputnik V vaccine as it seems to be the ‘least harmful’. Also the vaccine has been under development for at least ten years, not just cobbled together in a few months. It is a generic vaccine against all coronaviruses, being tailored to a specific threat.

    in reply to: But…Then There’s Math #70061
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    Most greens have little background in science and engineering so can easily end up in a fantasy world.

    Firstly, the world can not produce enough raw materials to create the batteries required.

    Secondly, not that greens seem aware of this, these vehicles need electricity. If just one million cars are plugged in to the grid drawing 30 kilowatts/hour that is 30 gigawatts of new power consumption.

    In the UK the Royal Mail looked into electrifying their vehicles at their Mount Pleasant sorting office. They were told it would literally ‘melt’ the local transformer!

    The grid is not built to carry such huge amounts of electricity and would have to be totally rebuilt as well as creating a large number of new power stations, costing hundreds of billions.

    Politicians have obviously been willing to listen to the greens on this without once asking electrical engineers what would be required to achieve it! Or accountants to cost it out!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/battery-fairy-other-delusions-race-replace-gas-powered-cars

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 19 2021 #69938
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    COVID – AN ALTERNATE HISTORY

    Covid was becoming widespread in the West by March 2020. For most it was just a flu but some had serious effects which seemed to require hospitalisation. Doctors in the US found that zinc plus hydroxychloroquine would have most of these people up and about within hours and remove the need for hospitalisation for most.

    In April 2020 an app was introduced in the UK which monitored people’s health on a daily basis. With 3 million users it was able to give a snapshot of how extensive infections were. It managed to identify new symptoms for covid such as loss of sense of smell ot taste.

    By comparing outcomes for people using various medications and supplements it was used to statistically work out what could help against infection and hospitalisation. Vitamin D and Ivermectin were quickly identified, as well as other drugs. It was also hugely useful to test out the effect of various treatments.

    This app was rolled out round the world meaning the pandemic could be monitored on a daily basis and treatments worked out to minimise the impact, mainly to reduce hosptalisation and deaths, plus eliminating ‘long covid’.

    While hugely successful some deaths did occur – a few hundred thousand globally. Lockdowns were not even considered.

    I do not think the above senario is unrealistic. Exactly why it took such a dark turn is the big question.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 16 2021 #69768
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    MULTIVITAMINS AND MINERALS

    As a heavy smoker I used to suffer badly when I caught a cold. I started taking one-a-day vitamin and mineral supplements and although I still caught colds the symptoms were much less severe. I am also taking a vitamin D supplement [5,000iu/day].

    A couple of weeks ago I caught a cold. At 8am in the morning my nose started streaming. Soon I could feel the infection move to my lungs and I had a slight cough. By 8am the following day all the symptoms had gone! My nose did run a few times during the next day but that was it.

    Not having a clone to act as a control I do not know how much the supplements helped BUT I think of it as very positive reinforcement to keep on taking them.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 13 2021 #69649
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    ENDEMIC

    Once it was shown that Covid was not affected by warm weather it was obvious that it would become endemic. Now it is becoming officially recognised that this is the case and that it could be around for decades!

    Where do we go from here?

    Do we carry on with lockdowns for decades or do we adapt to reality and manage the disease?

    There is a fantasy that if we are all vaccinated it will be over for good. Already new variants are showing some current vaccines to be ineffective. We do not know how long the vaccines are effective for – do we need vaccinating annually, or every 6 months? Do we need new vaccines for new variants? Do countries have to totally isolate from the rest of the world to stop new infections?

    Their is a growing list of cheap drugs and supplements which have been shown to reduce the need for hospitalisation, reducing the instances of death and ‘long covid’. The advantage of these is that they effective against all viruses and all their variants.

    I suspect that this will end up being the only practical way of dealing with this disease. Any country pursuing continuous lockdowns will end up as a third world country, although that may be the goal! [The Great Reset]

    https://www.rt.com/news/515448-eu-coronavirus-forever-vaccine/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 10 2021 #69496
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    LOCKDOWNS DESTROY LIVES

    Certainly in the UK where draconian edicts are issued daily.

    Today’s edict is a total ban on holidays this year, either in Britain or abroad!

    There seems to be another drug which could reduce hospitalisation, by 90% : the steroid budesonide. Sold as Pulmicort by AstraZeneca

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242771/Common-asthma-drug-cuts-need-send-Covid-patients-hospital-90-Oxford-says.html

    in reply to: Treat Your Own COVID #69472
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    Another zinc enhancer is EGCG, which is found in green tea. I do not like green tea so I buy capsules containing an extract equivalent to 9 grams of green tea [4 cups], along with a zinc supplement [plus a 5000iu vitamin D capsule/day]. Maybe not as good as HCQ but is easily available! Also, I did read that HCQ has a toxic reaction with Metformin so would be a problem for me.

    Far eastern countries that drink green tea have very low deaths per million – usually in double figures rather than four! Most notable is Japan, which has had no national lockdown but only has 50 deaths per million.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 18 2021 #68534
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    SLAVE MARKET

    Whenever I see the word ‘slavery’ I think of Libya.

    After the fall of Gaddafi the victors were extremely racist and rounded up all the black workers in Libya. I saw some on a UK documentary locked in a barn and one said ‘tell people we are here’.

    It was decided to sell them as slaves. The West queried this briefly but were told they were ‘mercenaries’. An obvious lie but good enough for the West to ignore them.

    I read a report on the a short time ago – they are still being sold as slaves with the word ‘slave’ cattle branded on their foreheads.

    Few people care!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 16 2021 #68453
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    SIGNAL

    True or not the idea that Signal is a CIA front makes sense.

    Having an APP where dissidents feel safe means the CIA would receive a steady stream of useful information. It would be a very clever idea.

    Realistically, any American social media apps are either tied to the government or will be destroyed if they become too prominent, like Parler.

    I do not use social media [or own a smart phone] but the only APP I have heard of outside the US is Telegram. I believe they have 500 million users, 50 million very recently. Not a minnow!

    It is weird! It is bankrolled by a Russian oligarch so advertising and income is not needed. They were made unwelcome in Russia and have relocated a few times and are currently in Dubai, but are always ready to move again. Their FAQs are a fascinating read.

    Personally I would not mind using Chinese apps. Even if they could be bothered to spy om me they wouldn’t be the ones smashing down my front door!

    I keep on thinking of horror films, like Rosemary’s Baby, where at the end they realise that no-one is on their side. Real life is beginning to feel like that.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 16 2021 #68451
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    SALT [1st article]

    ‘By contrast, the SALT deduction would mostly benefit wealthy households’

    Wrong! It is no surprise it is being sponsored by California. As wealthy people are fleeing California due to the ever increasing local taxes it means they can write it off and have less reason to move.

    In effect it is a move to support State finances, paid for by the IRS.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 15 2021 #68419
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    Social Media

    People are peeking behind the curtain, and instead of finding a friendly wizard they see a bunch of old white guys intent on making sure only their viewpoint is allowed!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 13 2021 #68258
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    Did Twitter, Facebook and Whatsapp just commit suicide?

    Trust in these Apps is disappearing and people are beginning to question their power over their lives. They are worried about how their data can be misused. People are realising that anything they post can be used against them. They fear posting anything no matter how seemingly innocuous. It has been made clear that only approved viewpoints will be allowed.

    How are you going to use Social Media when you fear losing your job, being arrested or being physically attacked? Social Media becomes tedious and boring.

    7.5 million new users on Signal last week
    25 million new users of Telegram over the last 72 hours

    The above figures are just a pinprick, but is it like a pinprick on a balloon?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 13 2021 #68239
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    Shocking ‘Hampers’

    For 7.5 pounds in Tesco’s [UK] You can buy 2.5 kg Maris Piper potatoes, 6 litres of milk, 1 kg onions, i kg carrots, and 2 kg oats! Still over 22 pounds to spend.

    It looks like the most disgusting rip-off!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 10 2021 #68092
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    PARLER

    I wonder if there will be much kick-back from this?

    For businesses using Amazon Cloud they now know they can be put out of business at a whim if Bezos doesn’t like something they do. A contribution to the Republican party for example. They may look to move their business elsewhere.

    Some of the public may stop using Amazon but as they have never bothered about making a profit it is difficult for other sellers to compete. [The last report I read about Amazon goods was they made a loss of 1%] Recent Amazon profits mainly came from Cloud Services.

    To use Parler on a smart phone you need a non-Apple phone which does not use Android. The only ones I know about are by Huawei!

    Even Democrat supporters should be worried about how completely their online life is restricted. If they do not toe the line they will be locked out.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 9 2021 #67998
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    The demonstration in Washington was always going to be a trap and was ill-advised. The police and security guards helping the demonstrators gain access and the use of agent provocateurs is not surprising – Trump’s enemies always wanted the worst possible result.

    The results of this are coming thick and fast and horrifying.

    Trump was always going to be kicked off Twitter and Facebook as soon as he was no longer President, it has just been brought forward a bit. Not content to win the Presidency and the Senate, like any banana republic, they want to imprison Trump – he will become the new Assange! It seems like any online presence of Trump is being cancelled, whether it is personal, business or political.

    The Democrats also want to punish everyone who supported Trump. Obviously Twitter and Facebook will be cancelling large numbers of accounts. Parler has been dropped from the Google app store, and Apple are thinking about it. Mozilla is calling for the de-platforming of anyone they disagree with. The email service that the Trump organisation uses seems to have stopped working.

    This is just the beginning.

    Half the country voted for Trump yet it seems they will be silenced, certainly for any political views. I would expect any non-aligned website to be targeted as well.

    Although anti-Trumpers may cheer these developments it is the Deep State which has won. Also, who is next? BLM and Antifa are now no longer useful and will most likely be de-platformed. Also AOC, etc have served their purpose and are just an annoyance to be disposed of. Then it is anyone who disagrees with the Government, then…

    I am reminded of the German pastor who supported Hitler for some time :

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    I am sure this can be rephrased to fit the modern day!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 3 2021 #67645
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    ASSANGE

    Of the many horrific aspects of Assange’s case the one thing that sticks in my mind is the lack of medical treatment. I think of this as ‘constructive torture’. I do not know if things have improved but you do get the feeling they want him to die in prison!

    The West criticises China’s treatment of journalist – then they copy them!

    What drives Trump? I think of the time when he was threatening air strikes on Iran and promised 52 strikes ‘..one for every US hostage..’. That was 40 years ago yet it is still important to him! I think he wants to punish anyone who has embarassed the US. So Iran, Cuba and Assange.

    If it is part of his psychological makeup then I can not see him giving Assange a pardon – he would feel completely justified.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 30 2020 #67438
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    VACCINE

    One of the things that concerns me about vaccination is whether they are tested for antibodies first.

    If someone has already had the virus and the body is sensitized to the virus what happens when the blood stream is flooded with what looks like viruses? Does it go into overdrive producing antibodies? Also, is it still accepted fact that antibodies start attacking the body and are responsible for the serious after effects of infection?

    Testing for antibodies could also be useful to determine what percentage of the population have had the virus. The only ‘official’ sufferers are those diagnosed by the discredited PCR test. So ‘officially’ there are about 80 million cases but it is likely to be ten time that amount.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle Boxing Day 2020 #67315
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    In the UK we had a lockdown, which didn’t work. It was decided that another lockdown was called for, which didn’t work. After that it was variations of lockdown, which didn’t work. The conclusion is that we need another lockdown.

    Apparently Boris Johnson will soon be travelling to the south coast to command the tide to retreat. Certainly a lot of people think he is a Cnut!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 22 2020 #67184
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    600 dollars

    The people have voted – so they are surplus to requirements for at least two years, and probably four. [Actually with voting machines, mystery ballot boxes and USB sticks they could be totally superfluous in any future election!]

    If the people want anything in their favour they need to pay for it like anybody else. Perhaps use GoFundMe and similar to raise cash to ‘lobby’ the ‘peoples representatives’.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 4 2020 #66411
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    VACCINE UK

    Given the unknown effects of the Pfizer vaccine it makes sense to use the elderly as guinea pigs.

    I have read that the effects of the second shot can be severe lasting one to three days. It will be interesting to see how the elderly cope.

    I am not sure how many NHS staff were desperate for this novel vaccine!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 30 2020 #66191
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    The Modern Trolley Problem

    Lockdowns can be seen as a version of the trolley problem. If the trolley continues on its’ current course it will kill four people. If it switches to another track it will kill just one.

    The modern wrinkle is that if you switch tracks and kill just the one the press will continually criticise your decision. If you simply mow down the four the press will express sympathy that it had to happen but will support the decision.

    So lockdowns cause suicides, deaths through lack of medical treatment, medical screening, mental health problems, damage to the family, permanent loss of jobs, destruction of businesses and the economy but the press will not complain about this!

    The Media has spoken : Lockdowns are the ONLY answer.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 28 2020 #66136
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    MADE IN CHINA?

    At one point ALL the MSM said the virus DEFINITELY escaped from a Wuhan lab in Dec19. You have to be skeptical when all the media speaks in unison, especially when there is no definitive evidence.

    – Two studies by Western universities suggest the virus was active in China for months before Dec19.

    – Sewage samples in South America and Europe detected the virus in Dec19, and one sample in Barcelona detected it in MARCH 2019!

    – In Italy blood samples taken from cancer patients in Sep19 show 10% had the virus.

    – In the US in Sep19 hundreds of elderly died from pneumonia and the underlying cause could not be determined. In retrospect it COVID seems to be the most likely suspect.

    Given the above evidence I am sure the WHO will come to the inevitable conclusion that it escaped from the Wuhan lab in Dec19! [The country that detected MUST have infected!]

    It seems to me that the most promising way to detect the source is by using sewage samples, although I do not know how common it is for water authorities to keep samples for two years or more.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 28 2020 #66134
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    Final Destination

    I read an article about an NHS campaign to reduce the number of deaths by heart attack in the elderly. They succeeded and reduced deaths by 2,000 per year.

    The number of people with dementia increased by 2,000 per year.

    You have to die of something – if it is not one thing it is another!

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    When an old person dies it is not like CSI where the exact cause of death is found – it is more ‘best guess’. One NHS doctor said that he continued to try and determine what the cause of death was but many of his fellow doctors said they simply put them all down to COVID.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 20 2020 #65877
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    ‘Humour’

    For a while now political ‘humour’ has devolved to comedians saying untrue, unflattering and unfunny things about Trump [round of cheers and applause].

    If Trump goes what happens to them? They may have to start being funny! However there are so many things you are no longer allowed to joke about they may find it a struggle.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 20 2020 #65853
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    VACCINE

    Hungary was looking to source vaccine from Russia and China. The EU informed them that only EU approved vaccines could be used and that did NOT include Russian and Chinese vaccines!

    What still isn’t clear to me is how effective the vaccines will be : various reports suggest the antibodies will disappear in 2 to 6 months. I think I read that at least some vaccines can only be used once.

    It worries me that AstraZeneca have demanded legal immunity against being sued for side-effects. Not sure if other companies require the same immunity.

    Hopefully the vaccines will be used first on all members of the government(s) and their families.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 12 2020 #65497
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    Will Trumpism survive? [Assuming Biden is declared the winner]

    It seems to me that the choice was between globalism [Democrats] which pitches American workers against those who will work for a dollar an hour, and Trumpism which aims for a self-contained economy where ‘Made in America’ becomes the rule.

    Can Trump supporters run against Republican encumbents, especially those quick to acknowledge Biden as victor. Can they take over the whole Republican party? If not then could they form a third party?

    There does seem to be some fallout where Trump supporters are abandoning Twitter in favour of Parler, which promises no censorship.

    They feel stabbed in the back by Murdoch and Fox but what can they do to have their views heard? It would be amusing if they joined together and bought CNN, which may soon be going cheap!

    With 70 million upset Trump voters will they fade away to nothing or will they shake everything up?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 9 2020 #65332
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    CENSORSHIP

    What is very worrying is the censorship being imposed by the oligarchs who own the media, mainstream and social. Had the Democrats gained control of the Senate I suspect that websites like this would be made illegal.

    The ability to censor, certainly on Social Media, should be removed from these oligarchs. The question is what happens if censorship is still needed. Some think that a government body should do it but that is open to the same abuse a the current oligarchs.

    My thought is to have something based on the jury system, with random members of the public being required to serve for, say, a week. Like a jury the decision to censor would have to be unanimous or almost so. The number of these juries could be increased or reduced depending on demand.

    The current abuses must end or we are all lost.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 7 2020 #65274
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    Michigan software ‘glitch’

    This Dominion software is not just used in 47 counties in Michigan, but in at least 28 States, including all the key States.

    I can’t see that the ‘glitch’ is accidental. All software should be tested before release, and there are very few combinations which need testing in this case. The question is whether ALL Dominion machines had the same software, in which case they could have allocated over 1 million votes to Biden ‘in error’! [guesstimate!]

    The net effect could be to big enough to swing the election!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 6 2020 #65241
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    US Election : Everybody loses!

    The Democrats failed to gain the Senate and lost 10 seats in Congress, so they lost badly.

    The left wing of the Democratic party lost as they are blamed for losing seats in Congress.

    The above means the oligarchs in the mainstream and social media lost badly.

    If Biden wins then all those Trump supporters will have lost, and given the apparent voting anomalies will be very bitter about it.

    The people who hate Trump will have lost : it was such a central part of their lives and [if] suddenly he is gone it will be traumatic and they may have problems adjusting to a Trump free world.

    Some of the mainstream media such as CNN will have lost – they may struggle to survive in a no-Trump world!

    The pollsters definitely lost!

    BLM and ANTIFA may now be ‘surplus to requirements’ and will be badly affected.

    There may be other losers I haven’t thought of.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 1 2020 #65067
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    Will Lockdowns cause a Systemic Banking Failure?

    It looks like next week most of Western Europe will be under lockdowns. It almost seems coordinated!

    Although these lockdowns are treated as if they have no consequences there is some potentially drastic fallout. One recent article suggested the strong possibility of a systemic banking failure for Europe, and possibly beyond. As businesses go broke non-performing loans accumulate and they may reach a tipping point and banks begin to fail, causing others to fail in a chain reaction.

    Some years ago it was established that any money you put in a bank becomes the property of the bank, and will be used to pay off any debts if the bank fails.

    Also, because derivatives involve collateral they are regarded as senior debt. Debts related to derivatives have to be paid before the customers. The last estimate I have seen is that there is 1.5 quadrillion dollars worth of derivatives, many times the annual global GDP!

    Another area of concern is re-hypothecation related to mortgages. If you have, say, a mortgage at 4.5% the lender may wrap up many mortgages and borrow the money say at 3.5%. your house will be used as collateral. This second company may also group even more mortgages and borrow the money at a lower rate, a and so on. You can end up with a daisy chain. The question is if the primary lender goes bust who owns the houses?

    https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-destruction-of-the-euro

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    Will lockdowns become self-perpetuating?

    Lockdowns are damaging businesses : bars, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, sports, and shops. These areas were already under threat from supermarket drinks, food delivery, online streaming, TV and online shopping.

    When you think about it these are all reasons for leaving the house and for social gatherings. If most of these businesses disappear then there will be little reason to leave your house – there wil be no place to go! The effect will be as if it is a permanent lockdown.

    There is a large trend to remote working and remote learning – more reasons not to leave the house. Some blue collar workers are needed to move goods around and man the factories which are not yet automated. Unemployment is also a reason to not leave the house.

    We could end up with a society of isolated individuals.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 28 2020 #64928
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    LAPTOP

    I still can’t get over the enormity of the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop.

    Firstly it shows the sleaze which seems to be a major part of US politics.

    Even worse, the pictures and videos of the underage girl turns ou to be his niece, who was 14 at the time.

    It isn’t as if he could not afford a new laptop so why put it in for repair when it contains such damaging information. It just seems to be arrogance to think there could be no consequences. There are some things which are illegal so it will be interesting to see if he ever gets prosecuted.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 23 2020 #64735
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    ‘Outside Interference’

    When agencies claim ‘outside interference’ then the senior officers should be required to provide proof or be sacked.

    These agencies in effect admit incompetence in not preventing this ‘interference’ so the senior officers should be sacked.

    These claims have always been about undermining the authority of the president so if it is baseless then I would think it is sedition and should be punished appropriately.

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    Who watches the watchers?

    The only thing I can think of is an external government body on the lines of Veritas. They would recruit and infiltrate these organisations and generally monitor what is going on. The trick is to ensure that they are not politically biased, etc.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 22 2020 #64704
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    MEDIA BIAS RULES?

    Ignoring the ‘merits’ of the candidates I would be unhappy if Biden won purely because it could be put down to media bias, both MSM and Social Media. It should not be the media which determines the outcome of elections.

    This bias is now losing any subltety! I am not sure if this is overconfidence or desperation.

    On the other hand if Trump wins after more than four years of extremely biased reporting and social media censorship it will be a big blow against the oligarchs who appear to control the Democratic Party.

    If Trump loses I am sure there will be an ‘Iron Curtain’ imposed on US politics to ensure that an outsider like Trump can NEVER have a chance of becoming president again!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 17 2020 #64534
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    MH17

    The previous 30 flights of MH17 were over southern Ukraine so how and why was it redirected over Donetsk by Kiev?

    Did the pilots just follow orders from Kiev? The Dreamliner aircraft has a facility for the CIA to take control in case of hijack so did they fly it there? [For MH370 the CIA said the pilot had disabled this facility!]

    The recording from Kiev air traffic control could answer this but it was seized by Ukrainian authorities. Possibly the black box voice recording could answer this. The recording was recovered by the UK but never released.

    Some experts think MH17 was attacked by an air-to-air missile, which failed to destroy it, and then was finished off by machine gun. Again, the cockpit voice recording could answer this.

    Kiev knew that the rebels had a BUK launcher but did not realise they did not have the other equipment needed to actually fire and hit a target.

    I assume this is why they needed to invent a story where Russia was somehow to blame. Russia would have needed advance notice that the aircraft would be over Donetsk so would have needed collaboration from Kiev!

    As I have mentioned before, any missile leaves a very visible trail so someone would have noticed a BUK missile being launched.

    The Western version of events simply does not make sense.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 13 2020 #64362
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    This US election is bizarre as there is only one candidate : Trump.

    People will vote FOR Trump or AGAINST Trump. Others will vote just on party lines. I just can’t see people voting FOR Biden.

    I suspect replacing Biden with a dead turkey would not affect the outcome by much!

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    LOCKDOWNS

    The original lockdowns could be justified in trying to prevent health authorities from being overwhelmed by reducing the rate of infections. Also it was not known what we were dealing with.

    Subsequent lockdowns have been justified by saying it ‘saves lives’. In what way? Everyone will be exposed to the virus at some point, lockdowns simply delay the inevitable.

    Lockdowns are imposed lightly as if they have no consequences, but they have dire consequences on businesses, mental health, suicides, unemployment, economic damage and non-covid deaths due to lack of medical treatment, vaccinations and routine screenings. Lockdowns will cause far more deaths than the virus itself – an estimated 75,000 just in the UK.

    It could be strongly argued that those imposing new lockdowns are mass murderers!

    There seems to be a vague idea that if we have lockdowns until a vaccine arrives then everything will be ‘okay’. Apart from the side-effects I think both Moderna and AstraZeneca have said their vaccines are likely to be effective on only 50% of the recipients – vaccines will NOT eliminate the virus.

    This virus does not die back in warmer weather so we are still on the first wave. Vaccines will not eliminate the virus so it is most likely to become endemic.

    We now know there are effective ways of minimising the effects of the virus, such as vitamin D. The authorities need to have a realistic approach in dealing with this, not the meaningless random useless measures they are currently imposing.

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    760 Million?

    I think the 760 million is a far more realistic estimate than the 35 million ‘official’ estimate.

    An app introduced in the UK in April asking people to report on their health daily concluded that 1.7 million people were infected on April 1st, falling to 150,000 on April 23rd [after lockdown].

    Random antibody tests in the States at around that time showed that statistically it was probable that tens of millions of Americans had been infected at some point.

    The beauty of the UK app is that it covers the whole country on a daily basis. It could easily have been rolled out to other countries round the world. It may not be 100% accurate but is far more realistic than anything else and gives a dynamic daily snapshot.

    Similarly statistical random sampling for antibodies would give an idea about what proportion of any population had been infected. It would not be difficult or expensive.

    These cheap and easy methods of monitoring the virus have not been implemented, and that can only be deliberate.

    The higher the number of people who have had it then the lower the mortality rate is. So for 35 million infected the death rate is close to 3%. For 760 million the death rate is 0.13%. Not scary enough to justify lockdowns so expect the WHO figure to be strongly attacked.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 29 2020 #63911
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    As ever the above chart is ‘misleading’, i.e.propaganda.

    So, 9.6% of deaths are those over 85. What proportion of the population is over 85? 3%? If so then 30% of those over 85 die!

    Similarly, what proportion of the population are 0-24 years of age? 25%? So 0.5% die but they are 25% of the population so that is 0.2% of their age group in reality.

    My figures are just guesstimates but it is critical to know what the population is in that age group.

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