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ParticipantAmittedly it is a toss up as to whether my mental capacity is that of a box of rocks or a sack of hammers. Six hundred years of Enlightenment has produced a civilization that reserves to itself the right to muder indiscriminately. Within this civilization are societies comprised of individuals prepared to surrender liberty and autonomy, perhaps life itself, to retain material possesions.
Bosco could you please point out the virtue to be found, i am at a loss. (perhaps a tune from the Hot Club de France would set me straight)
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ParticipantItems of agreement:
The atmosphere on planet Earth, Terra is in flux. The gaseous mass, atmosphere, is acted upon by forces exerted from within the Local Group, the Milky Way, the local Heliosphere and from Earth’s moon. The climate is the state of the atmosphere and can be described locally and globally. The atmosphere, the climate, is in flux.There is a parcel of land in Northwest Florida on Santa Rosa Sound that i have known for sixty years. The mean hightide is now in the range of six to eight inches higher today than in 1962. There has been some drift of the nearshore due to development along the shoreline. The majority of the parcel is in it’s native state and circa one third is in old field succession. The native wild flowers in this region which were once seasonal now flower throughout the year. The brown anole lizard, native to Cuba, has extended it’s range into Northwest Florida. The hurricanes during the last forty years have distributed non-native flora that have found niches in the environment. The Yaupon holly still ties the scrub together and the ecosystem is thriving. The upper edges of wetlands are working overtime extending the pine savannah. The cycles of precipitation are returning to those experienced in the mid nineteen sixties and seventies. Santa Rosa Sound, a portion of which was decimated by runoff from a nearby testing range, is finally showing signs of marine flora. The environments locally and globally are in flux.
Carbon dioxide was identified as a greenhouse gas by Eunice Foote in eighteen fifty six. Mauna Lua began testing for the presence of carbon dioxide in nineteen fifty eight. The role of carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas has been a matter of scientific enquiry for one hundred and sixty six years. The continous single point used to calculate the rise in carbon dioxide has a history of sixty four years.
To the interested observer there seems to be no effort to quantify the loss of carbon sequestration from the following:
1. The loss of habitat to the housing booms of recent decades.
2. The loss of diversity in the flora where vast areas have been placed within palm platations.
3. Desertification that is part of historical environmental knowledge.
4. The vast swaths of environment that have been cleared for wind and solar electrical generation.
5. The development of the Amazon watershed.
The increased amount of carbon dioxide does not at first glance have the loss of botanical sequestration included as a part of the calculation. Define the percentage of carbon dioxide increase attributed to lost biosphere.That conservation has been removed as a possibility for mitigation and only the abandonment, sequestration, of fossil energy is presented is obvious. Starting with The Limits to Growth in nineteen seventy two through today in twenty twenty two the western nations and their peoples have refused mass transit in all forms and have expanded the use of fossil energy with abandon. The western societies have even demanded that peoples poised to gain an improved standard of living be denied even an opportunity for improvement so the use of energy by the west would not be limited. These same societies are now poised to impoverish a vast swath of their own populations rather than accept a modified lifestyle.
When one divides the years of knowledge of carbon dioxide as a green house gas by the age of The Quartenary Period 166/2.58ma(million years) the quotient is 0.000064. All of the data, coincidental and measured is defined in this timeframe. When the time frame of accurate single point measurement is given a similar treatment the quotient is 0.000025. The data that we have may be considered by the interested observer as insufficient for extrapolation of a convincing argument for carbon dioxide derived from use of fossil energy destroying Earth’s ecosphere. The final thought is the micro-biome, the force that created the atmosphere, does not seem to play any role in the current debate surrounding our atmosphere.
Please friends, economy often guilds the text. One might say:
I am firmly convinced that the use of fossil fuels is destroying the ecosphere.
The ecosphere is in flux and I am not convinced that the use of fossil fuels is the main driver.cracker
tboc
ParticipantSus, voice and upstate you have been beacons of courage and compassion these last few years.
Sat Naam
v arnold I have to look up the acronyms myself. tboc = that baldheaded old cracker -
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