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Karl D has yet another good post this morning. Opening lines:
“The number of people calling for unvaxxed folks to be denied medical care, even doctors, is stunning.
Do you have any idea where this leads?”In case people have trouble figuring out where this could lead, even just RE: covid:
1) 1 or 2 injections (depending on brand) – you’re fully vaccinated
2) no vaccination – no medical care for you
3) add booster #1 – you’re fully vaccinated
4) no booster #1 – you’re unvaccinated. No medical care for you
5) add booster #2 – you’re fully vaccinated
6) no booster #2 … see 4) above … rinse, repeat, rinse, repeatJeepers. Humans certainly win the stupidity prize among earth’s species, don’t they?
It’s ok. teri was pointing out a nuance that we overlooked in our haste. It’s appreciated, teri. 🙂
Remdesivir doesn’t work to do much of anything, really, and it’s dangerous. Didn’t Remdesivir studies show it only shortens hospital stays by like 2 days? I would never take it.
I miss Dr D, too. Maybe his real life is taking his attention away from TAE readers’ needs. lol
teri is correct, however – only Remdesivir has the word “approved” in the right-hand column. Let the obfuscation continue since, clearly, that table could have division headings that note which are “approved” and which are in “clinical trial” stage. I hate the government. They’ve destroyed what little credibility they used to have. I’ll never trust any of them again.
I’m also tired of the fact those who question the accepted vaccination/treatment narrative “must take care to use only reliable information.” The other side doesn’t have to do that, now do they. F ’em.
Medical professionals harmed by these vaccines are last in line for my sympathy. It is their JOB to research vaccines and make educated and informed recommendations to their patients. The vast majority did not do that. Keep pleading. See how it feels. Karma is a bitch.
The heading on the NIH column where Ivermectin is listed (along with the other meds) states:
Dosing Regimens
The doses listed here are for approved indications or from reported experiences or clinical trials.All of the drugs listed provide links to clinical trials. The word “allowed” doesn’t appear on the page. I did a search.
Doc Robinson: can’t argue with those mistruths. Unfortunately, arguing doesn’t fill the prescription, does it?
@darned kids: “i think it says that ivermectin is allowed in clinical trials.”
Where does it say ivermectin is *allowed* in clinical trials? It states the dose “most commonly used” in clinical trials, and also has a link to some clinical trials … I don’t see the word “allowed”. I could be missing that though. Long day.
As Karl D points out … if OSHA makes a rule that vaccinated people have to be protected from unvaccinated people in the workplace they are essentially stating that vaccines don’t work.
Checkmate
@germ: Correct. There is nothing “fine” about that argument (must take into consideration a higher % of population vaccinated). I’ve opposed it since they started using it. We need to *understand* that more vaccinated are getting infected, hospitalized and dying from covid because more of the population is vaccinated?
That is, quite seriously, one of the absolutely stupidest arguments I’ve ever listened to. It can be shredded in minutes.
So … the NIH included invermectin as a covid treatment back in July, but hospitals refuse to administer it unless ordered by a court (sometimes not even then), drs won’t prescribe it, and national chain pharmacies won’t fill the prescriptions.
Am I getting that right?
Fixed it for ya, germ:
“Desperation, misinformation: how the vaccination craze spread across the world”
Karl D has another good one this morning on Nad:
@Mr House: US household net worth … lol … I’m flat broke. Last 18 months have been some of the worst financial losses in my life, and I’m getting old.
@Saul: none of the vaccines are safe, nor are they effective. Giving in to pressure is just that. There are other choices.
i was talking with my unvaxxed [adult] daughter yesterday (who has a young daughter, my granddaughter) and my daughter said, “I don’t understand, why are they pushing vaccines? It makes no sense.” I responded …
“I don’t know *why* they are doing this, but I do know when something is *wrong* and this is wrong. We need to stay strong and fight it. If this doesn’t end now, it will never end. What will that look like for future generations and for humanity itself?”
I’m going to copy/paste an entire comment from Karl D’s NAD website below. It was posted by olddad in response to a commenter stating that drs and nurses keep doing their jobs because they have mortgages and kids to feed. It is beautifully written:
“No one ever said standing for principles would be easy or fun. In fact, it might even kill you.
I too enjoy nice things and the comforts we are privileged (key word) to have. But if they all go away tomorrow because I reach a line I can’t principally cross, then so be it. I am prepared to make that choice and live with the consequences.
I have oft times said Americans are akin to domestic pets. That being, with animals lacking a “human” sense of principles, if a house dog gets turned out and abandoned, it faces two choices: 1) Find a new master, or 2) go feral and kill whatever it can to eat. If it does not succeed in its endeavors it will starve, but this is not a choice a dog would make.
In this scenario most Americans would choose 1, with a small number choosing 2.
However, if an individual has principles upon which to stand, a third choice presents itself: Sacrifice everything you have to maintain your dignity, freedom and humanity. Put those first and then use the brain you were given to figure out a way to survive.
Nothing good – or bad – lasts forever.
In the end we all die. How we choose to live is what makes the difference.”
@Mr House: Right? Kind of similar to the leaked videos of gunning innocent people down in the streets as they ran for their lives. Although the graphics in video games are much crisper.
Anyone who believes that 600,000+ people in the US died FROM covid in the past 18 months needs to get their hands on a crowbar and somehow extricate their head.
Did anyone else notice the similarity between a video game and the Australian riot control police actions? We certainly have decoupled human emotion from violent action over the past couple decades through the ubiquitous habit of playing video games for hours on end, haven’t we?
Oros: “Maybe ‘they’ just seeded certain areas …”
Yup. What else explains why what happened in, for example, NYC didn’t also happen in other densely populated cities? I started questioning that fact early on in the process. Then when you add in the fact people in refugee camps, homeless camps, India slums, prisons, etc., weren’t dying by the thousands … well …
“That same day however, Clinton drew attention to the “covert server” on social media, sharing a statement on the subject by her senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan …”
Perhaps the server was in Clinton’s basement so she had first-hand knowledge.
Considering the experimental nature of these particular vaccines, and the track record of mRNA in previous animal studies over the past decades, in my [not so] humble opinion …
When a person experiences a health issue post vaccination, and that issue is listed in vaccine literature as a potential adverse event, it should be considered vaccine induced until proven otherwise.
It is really the only way to ascertain what is actually going on with these vaccines. My guess is, things are much worse than we realize or can fully grasp.
Post vaxx: 2 people with mini strokes, 2 people with cancer. All 4 people are seniors. Vaxx? Don’t know, could have happened anyhow, but statistically (considering my small social group) the odds are small that I’d know this many people with these problems occurring in such a short period of time.
Son vaxxed with Moderna, in his early 40s. Very [very] sick for days. I won’t list all symptoms, but fever of nearly 104, which is high for an adult. Many people would have been at the emergency room (not his style). Glad he’s alive.
Dr D: “If I were doing it, that’s what I would do. 10, 20 completely different death agents, acting at different timeframes, half placebo, so your odds at one of four is high enough to hit Deagel.com’s death toll.”
Bingo
@germ posted a video link on sept 19 that was extremely disturbing (re-posted below). I was aware of some of these cases but seeing them compiled in one video was … indescribably heart wrenching.
If even a couple dozen cases like this in the US were suspected as a result of these vaccines, the whole program should have been shut down immediately. These people are living in hell, inside their own bodies, with no escape possible. Imagine that for a minute.
Keep it up, you MFers. Karma is a bitch and she be comin’ for ya.
Seattle: “we are still seeing a small percentage who haven’t been vaccinated causing tremendous challenges …”
The only question left is, how stupid can they get?
citizenx: you’re allowed to be pissed. I know how you feel. NY resident here …
So lions and tigers get sick with covid and immediately get treated with anti-inflammatory and anti-nausea medication, along with an antibiotic to prevent pneumonia. People get sick and are told to stay home until they can’t breathe, THEN come in for treatment.
Head scratcher, that one.
@teri: below is a link to an excellent article by Seneff and Nigh published in the International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice and Research (published in May 2021 with an update since). You can download a pdf.
It is an excellent assessment of the problems with the vaccines. Talks about problems with production and how the vaccines used in the *testing* phase were manufactured to much more exacting standards than those being used now.
Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19
“Rising proportion of vaccinated people in hospital reflects greater numbers in population getting vaccines”
Germ: “Actually reflects vaccine failure.”
Ain’t that the truth. One of the most UNconvincing arguments I’ve heard is that more vaxxed are getting sick because they’re now a larger % of the population. What an absolutely, mind blowingly stupid argument.
And ya gotta love this … “You need to make sure the number of hospitalized vaxxed/unvaxxed is adjusted to reflect the percentage of the population that is vaxxed before you can assess what is taking place.”
Do people not even hear how STUPID they sound at this point?
“While all trial participants will be given an initial dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab, second doses administered eight weeks later will be divided into four different groups: a full or half dose of Pfizer, a full dose of the jab developed by Novavax, or a half dose of Moderna’s immunization.”
They’re doing this to 360 youth between the ages of 12 to 16. Wtf is wrong with these parents? Who in their right mind would allow their child to get these jabs?? I’m asking seriously. I would never allow one of my kids to participate in something like this.
I’m with Veracious. Feeling hopeless and nauseous today.
“Adding further assurance to those who may shun the third shot for fear of additional side effects, Pfizer officials stated that such occurrences are similar to those observed after receiving the second dose of the vaccine.”
There, doesn’t everyone feel better now? Side effects will range from “extremely rare” to “only a few instances”, just like what happened after the second dose. Ask any of the current crop of drug pushers, they’ll set you straight if you’re at all worried about death and disabling conditions.
At this point, with all the data available, anyone that’s still lining up for these shots is begging for whatever they get. I’m done worrying about them.
It also appears that this is, indeed, Bill Gates’ latest subscription service. I’ve never purchased one of them and don’t intend to start now.
Unfortunately, I’m coming around to agreeing with Michael Reid, “My reading today leads me to the conclusion again that this is the start of culling in the western world.”
This has gotten bad.
Oxy lives in Australia and only a fool wouldn’t think he is living in hell.
I read the comments on Karl D’s post (So You’d Like To NOT Have Society Collapse?) and, from those, it ain’t looking good out there.There are undoubtedly supply chain problems in all levels of the chain, from chip manufacturing to packing boxes to shipping boxes to delivery of boxes.
I’ve been experiencing this multi-faceted break down for months (escalating now), and I’m not much of a consumer. I don’t eat out, but also have anecdotal reports from people who do that tables are empty because there is not enough staff.
Godspeed, folks.
(oxy, stock up. you’ll need it)
Mr House: “something struck me funny about her …”
I recall seeing her name in headlines, etc., when she first hit the scene (I don’t watch TV news at all). Then a friend mentioned how great she is – young, intelligent, etc., etc.
SO!! ……
I found a youtube video of one of her, um, rants (or whatever you call what she does) … made it about 90 seconds into it, turned it off, didn’t need to see anymore. Wtf. Haven’t watched any video where she is actually talking since. Useless.
“But newly published modelling from experts on the Sage advisory committee warn the government not to wait too long, with cases, hospitalisations and deaths all higher than a year ago despite the success of the vaccination programme.”
Do they not even hear themselves anymore? The stupidity is truly breathtaking.
Pulled this link from a commenter on Karl’s blog. I think it’ll work. This is The Atlantic, guys. Yes, there is a paragraph where they tout vaccines, but the tone of this piece is a pretty dramatic shift from what’s been spouted over the past 18 months.
Archie posted a link to a video of Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) losing it on the floor of the house late yesterday. If you missed it, I recommend going back and watching (only a few minutes long). It’s heartening.
@phoenix: details on Biden’s covid-19 plan are at this link:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/
Whether it impacts you or not will probably depend on whether the entities receive federal funding. Vaccination will be required for all Medicaid and Medicare participating hospitals and health care settings, including vaccination of staff who don’t work directly with patients/clients.
Dr D: “… and I would even follow that they’re being salted and NOT transmitted by aerosols …”
I’ve been thinking the same thing.
Here’s a thought … why don’t we quit arguing with, debating, and trying to convince kool-aid (KA) people we’re right about this? Let them believe what they want (and, btw, who says we’re the ones who are right?) and just move on with our lives.
I don’t bother trying to convince KA drinkers of anything anymore. Simply not worth it.
@sydoz (w/Bill7 responding also) about how much vaccination cuts delta transmission.
Doc Robinson is our stats wizard and he responded with a study’s results.
But …
Here’s my take: we will probably never know. All data is so contaminated we literally don’t know: a) how many covid cases there have been; b) how many people died of covid; c) how much vaccines reduce transmission (if at all); d) how much vaccines reduce hospitalization (if at all); e) how long vaccine protection lasts; f) how many people have died from adverse vaccine events; g) how many people will die of adverse vaccine events in the future; and h) whether covid actually exists in the form that is being presented to us.
Pick a position on this fustercluck that works for you and makes sense, hold onto it, travel through your life with it. That’s the best we can do right now. There is no clear answer.
I think a lot of people who question the vaccines and search for answers are just looking for a CLEAR answer. We’re worried about our vaxxed loved ones.
No one and nothing is going to help with our worries/fears/concerns because the pooch has been screwed.
@chooch: Thank you for the four horsemen / Economist covers deep dive. I searched, found the cover images. Extremely interesting. Extremely.
