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@ john day: these are your words:
Since 2001 I don’t eat any critters at all, which was a lot harder, and my body gained weight from eating more cheese and low-protein foods. High protein meals reduce appetite.
your personal experience confirms pollan’s error. both he and ancel keys are wrong. the food pyramid is wrong. it is long past time to discard the cholesterol/saturated fat mythology.
ah, the logical fallacy trifecta:
1) ad hominem attack:
that they’re no longer looking for news, they’re looking for opinions, ones that match their own darkest notions.
2) false dichotomy:
so let 50 million people die as long as I am free to go to McDonalds.
provided you believe that he wants to depopulate the planet
i want to give the automatic earth part of the check that trump and pelosi sent me. honest i do. i was fortunate enough to attend one of stoneleigh’s speaking engagements. her amazing efforts must be supported.
but i can’t give money to an organization which constantly attempts to denigrate and diminish curiousity, especially when that curiosity is quite valid.
falling back on the ‘fat tony’ explanation is how you get another 9/11. letting noam chomsky lull you to sleep is how you get another 9/11: (chomsky = primary example of intellectual yet idiot) William Blum to Noam Chomsky: How Could It NOT Matter Whether 9/11 Was a False-Flag Op?
“Even if (inside job) were true, which is extremely unlikely, who cares? I mean, it doesn’t have any significance.” (Noam Chomsky on 911 conspiracy part 2, YouTube).
William Blum, like the rest of us, is puzzled by Chomsky’s apparent inability to understand that exposing the 9/11 inside job would help end the crimes of empire.
let’s deal with the enemy we actually face. pretending that the enemy is ‘incompetence’ is not just unsupportable, it’s head in the sand territory.
@ john day ‘which for most of human history has been a luxury’
if you limit ‘history’ to the last 2,000 years, then you are corrrect. however, if you look at the previous two to three million years, the time before agriculture, you will find that it’s meat eating which made us human.
today’s diabesity epidemic is a result of carbohydrate consumption, you must know that. it has nothing to do with meat. the villain is the bun, not the burger. in addition, the bun contains glyphosate, high fructose corn syrup and is ‘fortified’ with folic acid, which many cannot process properly. what the body needs is folate. where do you find that? in meat.
“I know this will sound awful to vegetarians, but meat made us human,” said researcher Manuel Domínguez-Rodrigo, an archaeologist at Complutense University in Madrid.
Past research suggested prehuman hominids such as australopithecines may have eaten some meat. However, it is the regular consumption of meat that often is thought to have triggered major changes in the human lineage, the genus Homo, with this high-energy food supporting large human brains.
Without meat, said Milton, it’s unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became. Receding forests would have deprived them of the more nutritious leaves and fruits that forest-dwelling primates survive on, said Milton.
Her thesis complements the discovery last month by UC Berkeley professor Tim White and others that early human species were butchering and eating animal meat as long ago as 2.5 million years. Milton’s article integrates dietary strategy with the evolution of human physiology to argue that meat eating was routine. It is published this month in the journal “Evolutionary Anthropology” (Vol.8, #1).
This just about has it all: Bill Gates, forced vaccinations, nanochip implants
what is the difference: 1) bill gates forces you to get a vaccine / nanochip implant
2) bill gates denies you access to society unless you carry a smartphone running a tracking/contact app
is it ‘force’ if you can be jailed for failing to carry your covid-safe e-papers?
you keep mocking this ‘conspiracy theory’. why? the result is exactly the same.
bonus question: what is the appropriate punishment for a person who leaves their house without their immunity certificate?
@ john day: thank you. an un-imagined benefit of the pandemic could be that health organizations get serious about addressing vitamin d deficiency. correct this and aside from reducing death from flu/covid respiratory issues you’d likely see a significant reduction in colon cancer incidence / improved survival from same.
Several studies confirmed that increasing vitamin D3 lowers colon cancer incidence, reduces polyp recurrence, and that sufficient levels of vitamin D3 are associated with better overall survival of colon cancer patients.
if you scan the guardian for articles on vitamin d supplementation you’ll find one with recommendations on how to ‘boost your immune system’ which mentions vitamin d but ends the paragraph ‘Eating your five a day of fruits and vegetables is the best way to maintain necessary levels’ (appears to be discussing vitamin c, elsewhere no mention is made of d3 supplementation. in great britain!#$%^!!), another promoting the falsehood that mushrooms are a viable source of d, and yet another with this to say ‘The evidence so far suggests (with the possible exception of multiple sclerosis and some cancers) that low vitamin D levels are either irrelevant or merely a marker of the disease.’, which also pushed the ‘omigod vitamin d overdoses are going to kill everyone’ meme. you know, cause it’s fat soluble.
in almost every circumstance, if the guardian provides any sort of health advice, i will be certain to do exactly the opposite.
@ doc robinson
@ john day: do you have any suggestions for enhanced recovery in patients who are two or three or more months post-infection? many of these suffer from fatigue, body pain, and shortness of breath.
are there any home-based/inexpensive ways to improve oxygenation?
john day: an effort to restore north america’s forest cover could require giving land back to the bison/buffalo. they are at least in part the reason that north america’s cropland was so fertile and productive.
Buffalo once roamed from the eastern seaboard to Oregon and California, from Great Slave Lake in northern Alberta down into northern Mexico. Although no one will ever know exactly how many bison once inhabited North America, estimates range from twenty to forty million.
“It would have been as easy to count or to estimate the number of leaves in a forest as to calculate the number of buffaloes living at any given time during the history of the species previous to 1870.”
Bill Gates wants to force-vaccinate everybody
what if what bill gates wants is not ‘vaccination by force’ but ‘free movement by government approval only’?
ie: no one is going to hold a gun to your head while they plunge a syringe into your arm. but, do you want to ride on the train/bus? shop? go to school/work? attend a concert/ball game?
well, then you’ll need a digital certificate certifying that you meet government criteria. imho, that’s what gates/fauci/cuomo/etc are trying to achieve.
@ilargi: i’d very much like to understand your position: what is an appropriate penalty for those who dare to step outside without their e-papers? should repeat offenders be jailed?
i trust snopes as much as i trust the nytimes. here’s their take on remdesivir vs. hydroxychloroquine: Is a Global Conspiracy Promoting Remdesivir Over Hydroxychloroquine for Treating COVID-19?
A sprawling conspiracy theory proves numerous individuals and organizations schemed to promote the drug Remdesivir as a COVID-19 treatment over the purportedly highly effective Hydroxychloroquine.
snopes rates this theory as false. among the reasons? gilead did NOT contribute to hillary’s 2016 campaign…china does not own the patent to remdesevir…only a portion of fauci/niaid’s grant money was used to fund research at the wuhan lab.
actual fact checkers wouldn’t find it necessary to serve up/knock down one straw man after another.
they close with:
The anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine, much-touted by U.S. President Donald Trump as a potential COVID-19 treatment, does not have a proven “92% success rate” in treating patients with that disease. Rather, according to a “finding from a retrospective analysis conducted by the U.S. Veterans Health Administration,” hydroxychloroquine for treatment of patients with COVID-19, “combined with or without azithromycin, not only may not help mitigate the virus’ effect, it also may increase overall mortality.”
(apologies if this is a dupe, the edit option seems to have deleted my first try)
Professor Yves Cohen from the Avicenne Hospital in Bobigny said in an interview with local media that it appears that Covid-19 was already in France at the end of 2019 – rather than in January-February 2020 – as had previously been thought. A decision was made to retest 24 samples of blood from patients who were admitted in December with respiratory infections but had tested negative for the flu. Out of the 24 samples retested, one male patient came back positive for Covid-19.
And we don’t have seas of time to debate this, we have lives to save.
why can’t we do both? are these somehow mutually exclusive? how are they even related?
one reason the debate is necessary: trump and pompeo are already quite far down the ‘wuhan lab’ rabbit hole. the echoes of saddam/wmd are unmistakable.
later that same day: Andrew Cuomo Uses Budget To Cut Medicaid, Settle Political Scores
The plan for Medicaid cuts includes $400 million in reduced payments to hospitals, tighter eligibility for certain long-term care benefits and a massive shift in costs to the state’s county governments, the financial strength of which varies greatly.
“Political economy isn’t your strong point,” said the consul, impudently. “You can’t create a demand. But you can create a necessity for a demand. That’s what I am going to do.”
(covid19 = cockle burrs. remdesivir/health passports/lockdowns/government being ‘essential’ = shoes)
Avoid snack foods, heavy meats
my quick read of that study is that it is overcooked or charred meat which should be avoided.
you’ve probably seen this, but just in case: Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence
The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.
also regarding using mice to divine human health results: Using the mouse to model human disease: increasing validity and reproducibility
Experiments that use the mouse as a model for disease have recently come under scrutiny because of the repeated failure of data, particularly derived from preclinical studies, to be replicated or translated to humans.
re: cities – another key issue is hundred-plus year old water delivery systems. these cannot be replaced or maintained (properly) unless every free dollar in the city’s budget is applied to the task.
ps: i’d love to comment at your blog, but not enough that i will create a google id.
French Coronavirus Strain Did Not Come From China Or Italy (SCMP)
it was here (and only here) that i read of the two(?) airplane passengers FROM france testing positive in january(?). it sure changes things if the outbreak in france arose independently. for one, it’ll be much harder to blame china for the ‘wuhan flu’.
This is going to lead to real life battles.
that seems like the plan. civil war will serve nicely to distract from the government’s many failings. the setup for this started long before covid19 arrived.
so far I always veer back, along with Fat Tony, to the vastly underestimated achievements of sheer incompetence
on 9/11, incompetence could be the reason norad stood down. it could be the reason the fbi failed to ‘connect the dots’ even though they were aware of ‘non-resident men of arab descent’ attending flight schools and had on file a 1996 pakistani terrorist confession explaining plans ‘to use the training he received at flight schools in the United States to fly a plane into C.I.A. headquarters in Langley’.
however, it’s quite a leap to suggest that incompetence led to the wiring of the twin towers and building 7 for demolition.
Many of his policies have been aimed at reducing the Uniparty’s cash flow and trying to put the interests of Americans first.
like the corporate tax cuts? killing soleimani? tariffs? drill baby drill? cutting food stamps? fixing obamacare?
the jfk treatment? why? the uniparty sees trump as one of their key players. if nothing else, he serves as the perfect distraction while their looting operation runs merrily along.
Make America greedy again
the transfer of wealth is/was a completely bi-partisan affair. bush and trump merely followed in clinton’s (revoking glass steagall) and obama’s (utter failure to prosecute bankster fraud) footsteps.
but, sure, vote biden in 2020, that’ll fix things right up.
:myparentssaidknow ‘Infants have heartburn?’
it gets much worse than that: Still in a Crib, Yet Being Given Antipsychotics
Cases like that of Andrew Rios, in which children age 2 or younger are prescribed psychiatric medications to address alarmingly violent or withdrawn behavior, are rising rapidly, data shows. Many doctors worry that these drugs, designed for adults and only warily accepted for certain school-age youngsters, are being used to treat children still in cribs despite no published research into their effectiveness and potential health risks for children so young.
A sane option is restoring constitutional democracy
being past peak oil means america is also past having the luxury of a federal government. it is a totally unaffordable layer of the most wasteful kind of energy use (wars, bridges to nowhere, senators on private jets). it will be difficult enough to maintain state-level organization.
in saying ‘being past peak oil’ i am using tverberg’s definition (~many cannot afford the output of the system).
Admin/Pentagon is constantly fighting the shadow government/CIA
that’s like watching pro wrestling and concluding that it is real. russiagate was a made-for-tv special. at no time was trump ever in even the slightest jeopardy, regardless of how many ‘smoking guns’ maddow produced.
the administration is clearly not the brains behind the operation, it’s the front-facing p.r. branch of government. douglas adams: ‘the president’s ‘job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.’.
were the wars in iraq and afghanistan planned or overseen by dubya? personally, i don’t think so. i think the plans were in place before he even entered the white house. his job was to land on the aircraft carrier and declare ‘mission accomplished’. to stand atop the wreckage with a bullhorn and a bunch of firefighters.
aside from his twitter feed, what is trump in charge of? he says ‘withdraw the troops’. mattis/pompeo say no. he says ‘release the jfk files’. barr says no. he says ‘lock her up’, ‘drain the swamp’….
Moreover, the Israeli disclosure supports what’s nothing less than extraordinary: U.S. intel already knew about Sars-Cov-2 roughly one month before the first confirmed cases detected by doctors in a Wuhan hospital….
That could only have happened if U.S. intel knew, for sure, about a previous chain of events that would necessarily lead to the “mysterious outbreak” in Wuhan. And not only that: they knew exactly where to look. Not in Inner Mongolia, not in Beijing, not in Guangdong province.
It’s never enough to repeat the question in full: how could U.S. intel have known about a contagion one month before Chinese doctors detected an unknown virus?
in a way, it doesn’t matter if americans believe escobar’s analysis. if the chinese were to accept it as fact, however, would they retaliate?
also, all those politicians blaming china for not warning the world should actually be focusing on the u.s. government. they had this info in november and did nothing? sure sounds a heckuva lot like august 2001 and a memo in dubya’s inbox titled ‘bin laden determined to strike in u.s.’.
thank you for putting together all of that information. i find nothing to dispute, nothing sensational, nothing tin-foil-hat worthy. just a serious, sober look at the history of events. some speculation, but worthy questions in my view.
i’m in ny state, and late oct2019 i went through one of the nastiest episodes of flu i’ve ever experienced. i had most of the common covid19 symptoms. i would love to get tested, but the testing error rates seem to be high enough to make that a waste of time.
@bill7 – i don’t think they’re getting their money’s worth.
The Virus needs a co-factor- something that children rarely encounter.
@myparentsaidknow – this certainly would explain the situation in europe. i was given a list of meds a elderly family member in france was being prescribed. 6 drugs daily, although several are listed only for use for a day or two at a time. two separate medicines known to cause hallucinations in seniors.
were you on a bus with someone who later tested positive?
@rototillerman – this article indicates that movement history was used to establish those potentially exposed on a chinese public bus (on 1/20/20). this is why they want 5G. to precisely track each citizen’s every movement. (interesting graphic of who got infected included)
Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds
further on ny state excess deaths: in 2017 ny state deaths from all causes was 155,191 (calendar year, not flu season). 155,191 / 365 = 425 deaths / day.
for the month of april so far, the average coronavirus death total per day is 663 (this figure doesn’t include the recently announced ‘additional’ 3,778 nyc deaths)
as far as i know, only in ny and italy have coronavirus deaths exceeding previous all cause mortality. (iran and china may also belong on the list)
this article also discusses excess mortality (in italy):
COVID-19: excess mortality figures in Italy
the death distribution map is very interesting. if anyone is aware of similar maps available for ny, germany or south korea please post a link (excess deaths preferred, as opposed to coronavirus deaths only). tia.
As a result, some scientists have proposed a way to speed up the process – by deliberately exposing volunteers to the virus to determine a vaccine’s efficacy.
Volunteers would have to be young and healthy, he stresses: “Their health would also be closely monitored, and they would have access to intensive care and any available medicines.”
But deliberately infecting people – in particular volunteers who would be given a placebo vaccine as part of the trial – is controversial. “This will have to be thought through very carefully,” says Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University. “Young people might jump at the opportunity to join such a trial but this is a virus that does kill the odd young person.”
>>How so? A virus is a virus is a virus. <b>ONce released,</b> the struggle is against contagion.
>>I am making no such assumptions. Assuming what my assunmptions are seems rather assumptive.
the assumption is clearly implicit in your original statement.
>>So arguing that people like Raul should spend more time chasing elusive
raul’s time is his to do with as he likes. i never suggested that he ‘chase’ anything.
upstateNYer: a collapse in the value of the dollar, combined with a ban on physical currency will be a severe test of the resolve of the non-coastal enclave residents.
i 100% hope that you’re correct in your assessment. i suggest that some of these people already have dealt with the fact that norad stood down on 9/11 and its implications. perhaps their resolve will strengthen when they become aware of the cdc’s similar stand down this year. and strengthen further when they realize that ww3 is not between the u.s. and the axis of evil but instead pits the globalists against everyone else.
If they intentionally started this pandemic, that buttresses the notion that the CIC is too dumb to run a global empire
“Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!”
in two months they’ve collapsed the global economy, given themselves 4 or more trillion dollars, and placed hundreds of millions under martial law. a perfect setup for the introduction of a global digital currency. perhaps they’re not quite as inept as you think.
How so? A virus is a virus is a virus. <b>ONce released,</b> the struggle is against contagion.
you are assuming that no more releases will take place. i am arguing that the very different outcomes (for instance, us v south korea or italy v germany) are the result of localized releases of a second, far more deadly agent.
future such localized releases would be very useful in keeping people in line and following orders.
And what will we the people do with this information?
we can adjust our actions and protect ourselves to the extent possible. most of us would prepare/behave differently if we knew that an active bio-war was being waged against us.
dismissing the possibility of intentional release is like denying that the twin towers and building 7 were wired for demolition.
the key element is that wave 2 will be under someone’s control. there may be evidence which will confirm this (unusual death distribution in local areas as compared to influenza, for instance). this evidence is less likely to surface if we adopt your position.
First of all, that one smacks of the hoary conspiracy theory that Bilderberger bankers (Jews especially) are scheming to take over the world – yet these supposedly hyper-clever “puppet-masters” are proving that they can’t even run the banks and their own financial ops,
the puppet-masters just got bailed out to the tune of 4 trillion bucks or so. i’m not arguing that they’re hyper-clever, but the pandemic has certainly been good to them so far.
disappointing that jim felt the need to resort to accusations of anti-semitism. do you believe that globalists are using covid19 to increase control and reduce freedoms? then you must hate jews.
Is there an increase in all-cause mortality?
ny state total deaths 2017: 155,191. 155,191 / 365 = 425 deaths / day (all causes)
ny state daily coronavirus death totals 4/1 thru 4/5: 391, 432, 562, 630, 594
raul – when i try to access ‘covid19live.info’ i get a server not found error. searching is also ineffective. is there another address? thanks.
That’s not good for the U.S. either,
That’s why it was made: to be used. To succeed in mass death
i think brandon smith’s theory (controlled demolition of the u.s. economy in order to usher in a new global digital currency) is a better fit.
these people aren’t concerned about what’s ‘good for the u.s.’, they’ve been looting the place for years. it’s already a wreck hurtling towards the cliff.
instead of ‘mass death’, what serves their purposes best is an extremely contagious virus which is NOT particularly deadly. if indeed there is a wuhan1 and a wuhan2, they’d be the opposite of what you describe. judicious application of the latter (much more deadly / much less contagious) strain will serve nicely to manipulate the fright factor. ‘it must have mutated’….
instead of blaming the true culprits (central banks/globalists) for the epic global financial collapse, we are meant to blame the chinese. the tylers don’t often speak in unison, but on covid the messaging is totally clear: the chinese biosafety lab is the source. that thread gets worked into almost every article at zh.
the cdc’s inability to deliver timely and accurate test results echoes the dnc’s inability to deliver timely and accurate vote counts in iowa.
it beggars belief that both organizations could be so completely inept. one must consider the possibility that these failures are deliberate and intended to obscure the true nature of the facts on the ground.
If zero kids get it, why close the schools?
1) children are getting the virus, it’s clearly not ‘zero’.
2) even if covid19 is not a threat to children, closing schools will reduce transmission to elderly family members and those who are at risk.
false negatives, asymptomatic transmission and second positives, oh my.
Japanese woman confirmed as coronavirus case for second time, weeks after initial recovery
The woman, a resident of Osaka, in western Japan, tested positive on Wednesday after developing a sore throat and chest pains, the prefectural government said in a statement, describing her as being in her forties. She first tested positive in late January and was discharged from hospital after recovering on Feb. 1, according to the statement.
1% fatality of the U.S. population of 330 million = 3.3 million
but, as chett pointed out, the 1% fatality rate would apply only to those infected. my 8 million estimate is obviously wrong.
working with the lower bounds of 40% infected and 1% of those dying chett’s estimate of 1.3 million dead is accurate. given 70% infected and a 2% mortality rate one would expect 4.6 million dead.
as you point out, hospital capacity is a key limiting factor. going with the 40% infection rate and figuring that 20% of those will require hospitalization gives us 26.4 million to be admitted. i’ve read that the total number of u.s. hospital beds is under one million.
and i also stand corrected on the cdc, “Now is the time for businesses, hospitals, communities, and schools to begin preparing to respond to coronavirus.” is far beyond anything i pictured them saying.