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Mr. Roboto wrote: @absolute galore: The truth is, I actually want to be shunned by people like that.
Absolutely me too. Such a bizarre essay and such an unattractive person. Both essay writers live with complete blinders, totally unable to see beyond what they are fed. Can they not tell just by observing the messengers what shaky ground they are on? Look at the New Yorkers who were fawning over Cuomo. I guess he’s on his way to being an official dirtbag, but anybody with half a working BS detector already knew what he was. (How people can actually watch his doofus brother I have no I idea.) Do we see Fauci, Walenski, Biden, the CEOs of pharma companies, the tech titans, as having anything resembling true character?
“We are in two different worlds: mine; a worldview steeped in data and science and the shots called by a flawed CDC. His seems to be one that weaponizes the jargon of science, a world where “doing the research” is akin to diving down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.” Turns out not only are the unvaxxed screwing up the world, they are preventing this poor soul from getting screwed. Caution, adult content ahead, Huffpost style
And the more vanilla First Person Hero Porn, also from the Huff Huff. Caution, contains no facts, data, or context. Only heroics. But all for naught–thanks to you and me, The War On Covid was lost.
Some NYT Stories on the web front page:
Americans Suffer Whiplash as Leaders Struggle With Changing Virus
Public health reversals on the pandemic have sown confusion as the Delta variant upends what people thought they knew about how to stay safe.
The crisis President Biden once thought was under control is changing faster than the U.S. can adapt, leaving Americans angry, exhausted and skeptical.and yet
Mask Mandates Are Returning in Many Places. N.Y.C. Is Holding Back.
Louisiana and San Francisco brought back indoor mask requirements, but Mayor Bill de Blasio said he wanted New Yorkers to focus on vaccinations.Live
The U.S. finally hit President Biden’s 70 percent vaccination goal. Follow updates on Covid-19.
Germany will begin offering vaccine booster shots in September to people considered potentially vulnerable.Don’t Want a Vaccine? Be Prepared to Pay More for Insurance.
So, yeah, as I said back on page 3 earlier, I don’t think the mainstream vaxx story is disappearing any time soon, with journalists converging on TAE to ask us how we knew all along !;^)
So don’t worry, the battle continues. Ugh. I’m tired. I think I may just take my Iv prophylactically and stop waiting for little bits of the story to change, and meanwhile going over the same old stuff day after day that we’ve known mostly for months.
At this point it feels like some of us are, what’s that schauden word I can never remember–almost giddily waiting for bad stuff to happen to the vaxxed. Not my style. The truth such as it is is usually found hovering somewhere near the middle-ish.
So much freakin’ energy at times. I am starting to wonder which way is up which is down which is right what is wrong.
Question for the bunch: With the Delta variant taking off, has anybody gone from wait and see/catch it at the onset to prophylactic with Ivermectin?
Throughout Florida, from Jacksonville to Miami to Tampa, hospitals have become overwhelmed.
Barry Burton, the Pinellas County administrator, told the Tampa Bay Times that some local hospitals are already having to divert ambulances to different locations because of capacity concerns.
There has been a startling rise in the number of children with the virus at hospitals in Miami, many of them requiring intensive care.
Memorial Health’s Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital in Hollywood had seven patients with COVID-19. At Nicklaus Children’s Hospital in Miami, there were 17 patients with COVID-19 on Friday, including six in the ICU and one who needed a ventilator, Dr. Marcos Mestre, vice president and chief medical officer, told the Miami Herald.
About half of the patients were under 12, Mestre said, and the rest were older and eligible for the vaccine. But none of the patients with COVID-19 at Nicklaus Children’s on Friday were vaccinated. Most children who get COVID-19 do not need hospitalization, Mestre said.
There was another article on Fox about a 39-year-old dad who died saying I wish I got the vaccine. Article did not mention, but link to original showed he was quite overweight, especially in the belly where it can be extra problematic.
It seems like many here think there will be a sudden flight from vaccines.
I do not really see that. I still think most people are getting what they expected–no symptoms or mild symptoms.
TAE Summary wrote: * A model has suggested that a fourth wave of the Delta variant is coming in October. When pressed for details, the model stumbled on her high heels and was taken to a nearby emergi-care for a sprained ankle. A full recovery is expected.
I’m afraid that is not true/you are wrong/false news/pants on fire. The model, who had been jabbed 5x–first representing Phizer but switched to Moderna (and expert sources say took a shot of J&J late one night at a club), developed a clot shortly after his/her/their* stumble. Unfortunately all the nurses were home protesting the mandatory vaccine requirement and so the doctors intubated and she expired. A post mortem pcr test showed high levels of the Delta variant and cocaine in her nose. Her means of death was listed as tripping.
*gender reveal pending family notification
I have a few questions I’m curious about.
1. Is the narrative that fully 80% of the population is not really susceptible to the virus still around, or is that “false news” from “our side?” The only real justification I ever saw for this was the result of how many on the ship Diamond Princess came down with Covid.
2. This from Denninger. I am not a big fan, and his long sentence kind of garbles things, but the basic question I have is, Iff the virus is mutating to resist vaccines, will the virus also mutate and rapidly become impervious to the effects of Ivermectin once the drug is more widely employed–or even at the levels it is now? The problem with viruses in this regard is that their replication is exponential; while mutational evasion of protection for bacteria with antibiotics typically takes years or even decades to occur because bacteria replicate in a binary fashion, that is 1 becomes 2, which becomes 4 and so on with viruses 1 becomes 1,000 and if that one winds up in recombination due to cross-infection with something else at the same time then while the odds of a productive mutation are no higher than they are with any other the outcome when you get a productive mutation is much more-likely to result in escape and transmission because the replication factor is so large.
3. If one were to use Ivermectin prophylactically, I assume this means you would never develop natural immunity, and so going forward, as Covid becomes endemic, you would need a continual supply. (I’m already concerned about how to keep mine safe in this heat and humidity–no ac.) I’m over 60. In five years time, who knows what kind of availability there might be. I’m thinking better to take the chance of infection earlier, then take medicine to get better. I assume the body would at least create some antibodies during that time, or would Ivermectin cut that process off if taken as recommended, at first sign of symptoms?
@cafone wrote: “How can I help you deal with your anxiety about my refusal to vakzinate?”
This is a good suggestion, but knowing the dysfunctional personalities of my supervisors, it has no chance of success.I focus on how to help that particular person deal with whatever problem covid is causing.
Focusing on helping or listening to other people is the way. It’s very simple, actually. But of course, very difficult, as Master Yu was fond of saying regarding practice.Okay. My turn.
Raul: “We’re all the same again.”
Mr. House: Not true, some people have something never before used on humans floating in their bloodstream. Whatever that secret sauce is
Cafone: It’s true in the sense Raul obviously meant it.
Absolute Galore: Yes, and I suspect Mr. House obviously knows that. His point was to point out an interesting and potentially relevant point, both for right now and in the future. A three-point shot.
Cafone: If so, that only emphasizes my reason for quibbling: “not true” is a damn strong negative way to introduce something that we, including Raul, already know: some people got jabbed, some didn’t. It’s like saying ‘you’re wrong’ when really one is just showing another facet of a thing. Its the difference between saying ‘but you’ vs ‘and you’. It’s both a courtesy thing and about accuracy in communication. “Not true” is equivalent to “you’re wrong”, and we know Raul isn’t wrong in what he said, which was a tongue-in-cheek observation that the playing field is at least beginning to level out.
I have a thing about rhetorical hygiene, and am consistently vexed by needless contradiction.
Since you attribute a tongue-in-cheek quality to Raul’s statement, I am attributing, let’s call it a mildly ribbing quality (though this is not precisely it) to Mr. House’s “Not true”, not “a damn strong negative” since we are all working under similar beliefs here. I would say “Not true” in this case would have been used largely for rhetorical effect, not to literally state that Raul did not know what he was talking about, or that he was lying, or that Mr.House was being discourteous to our host.
In fact that would be why one would choose to say “Not true” rather than “You’re wrong,” because the phrase lends itself to a context like this. In a real-world conversation (which this is a virtual representation of, and yes, not as nuanced) this would have been a response that Raul would have registered as benign and smiled and said “Well of course.” And since TAE is a gathering place with regulars, mostly likely these things are understood, unless one of the parties actually involved protests.
I took it as a friendly “Eh eh, don’t forget!” and an opportunity to emphasis and remind that yes, we are the same in terms of spreading the virus, but the vaxxed have something else going on, since not all of us might read the “tongue-in-cheek” that you attributed, but read it more straightforward.
My take could be wrong, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility. However, if needless contradictions vex you and you have a thing about rhetorical hygiene, hanging out in forums and chats could be bad for your blood pressure and dangerous to your health! (You could always wear a mask. Oh wait, you already did that;^) Yes, I should be doing other things…
So, I sent the Wall Street Journal piece out to a few friends who have listened to me go on about Ivermectin now and then. They have never heard of it and of course assume if there were a medication that worked, it would be used. One of them sends back this:
Misleading and Dishonest Wall Street Journal Article on Ivermectin
I replied:
I hope you are not serious, Peter. The WSJ, taken down by Screamin’ Hank.
I could not get much past his bullshit about the FDA “protecting” people. He made it sound like Ivermectin is mainly a vet drug. Not if you live in the majority of the world, where its developers for instance won the Nobel Prize in part for essentially wiping out river blindness. One of the initial ways it was noticed was during a scabies outbreak in a nursing home. When there is an outbreak, all the residents get Ivermectin. Weird that not one of them died, while every other nursing home in the region suffered multiple deaths.
Him saying the FDA is “protecting” people from off-patent use is ridiculous. It’s a drug that has been prescribed to humans over 4 Billion times, with fewer side effects than Tylenol. If it is showing promise, you don’t squash it like that. The reason people were resorting to horse paste from Tractor Supply is because doctors were told not to prescribe it, and since doctors are mostly just the salesmen for Big Pharma these days, most of them obeyed.
I know, it’s hard realizing people you trust are lying to you.
Here’s the website of the main conspiracy theorists regarding Ivermectin:
Home | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
end response
I could not listen to that jackass for more than 2 minutes.
I think it will be hard for people to process the enormity of the lies they have been fed and believed. And then when they understand what that implies…
I suspect there will be a long process of denial here.
Idea: Find out how many of the unvaccinated falling ill with this Delta wave have antibodies for a previous greek letter.
That would tell us if natural immunity is suffering the same fate as what is apparently befalling the vaccines. If few have antibodies, If they are mostly covid virgins, it might point toward natural immunity being more advantageous. Or would that be too scientific to gather information like that?
We could let everyone get exposed, then give a quick Ivermectin protocol, and Bob is your Uncle.
Somebody wrote [yikes, it’s half a day’s pay to get around in the comments section these days; gotta be a better way] “The people who push the mainstream narrative are evil and anti-science; The people who believe this narrative are naive, dogmatic and anti-science.”
Noirette commented: I doubt that TAE participants, or some large sub-set of them, believe this. Or I hope so.
I don’t hold truck with the second clause, but I do feel the first one covers some of the players–maybe not necessarily in terms of motive, but certainly in terms of actions, and the subsequent consequences.“existing social listening projects.” Remember when we were kids, and that was called “spying?”
Raul: “We’re all the same again.”
Mr. House: Not true, some people have something never before used on humans floating in their bloodstream. Whatever that secret sauce is
Cafone: It’s true in the sense Raul obviously meant it.
Yes, and I suspect Mr. House obviously knows that. His point was to point out an interesting and potentially relevant point, both for right now and in the future. A three-point shot.
Okay, just saw Cafone’s posts. I confess the original quote from Bokonon is still not working for my brain…
@thosedarnkids Or maybe it is some reference I don’t get regarding the situation in Lake Ozarks? But don’t worry either way I’m not removing you from my Christmas card list.
In response to my posting today, @ thosedarnedkids wrote: “Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before,” Bokonon tells us. “He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.”
I’m not certain if you are chastising me for the level of frustration expressed in my post this morning? If so, gee thank you a bunch! But A. I am not exactly full of murderous resentment–just disgust, disbelief, frustration. However, I am of the opinion that these are all symptoms and expressions of our decline, and as such ultimately cannot be assigned to particular characters as being responsible. That in no way precludes me from thinking these characters are reprehensible.
And B. these are not “people who are ignorant.” I provided a handy list of all their faults in one of my posts yesterday or the day before if you care to check. (Stupidity is not ignorance.)
“The irony is it’s not the dumb rubes in Missouri who don’t understand the nature of this disease,” Gregg Keller, a longtime Republican consultant in Missouri. “Missourians understand this far better than these supposed medical experts we’ve been giving tens of millions of dollars every year.”
Party Hardy in MOhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/missouri-covid-cases.html
“We have a pandemic because of the unvaccinated, and they’re sowing enormous confusion,” Biden said. “And there’s only one thing we know for sure, if those other 100 million people got vaccinated, we’d be in a very different world. So get vaccinated. If you haven’t, you’re not nearly as smart as I said you were.” “Joe Biden”
I don’t care how senile he is, this is absolutely disgusting. It’s a lie on so many levels. And it basically is throwing gasoline on the growing movement to ostracize and punish people who choose not to be vaccinated.
“one thing we know for sure, if those other 100 million people got vaccinated, we’d be in a very different world” No. One thing we know for sure is everyone in your administration is lying through their teeth. They are bald-faced liars lying about their own data sets. Not even manipulating out of context, just making shit up.
1. Evidence is mounting that the vaccinated have as much or more viral load as the unvaccinated. And they cannot blame us for the Delta, that came from India.
2. Most of the world population has not been vaccinated. Not everybody lives in San Francisco and New York City. The only thing vaccinating the rest of the U.S. population will do is give Big Pharma the entire citizenry to sell booster shots to every year from now on.
Everyone in the Biden Admin is in the service of Big Pharma. Everyone is trying to protect themselves from the massive fucking mess they have created beginning with Day One and the Fauci emails we are not allowed to redacted. But there is no free press (other than Tucker Carlson) to bring any of this malfeasance to the light of day. They will continue to blame the unvaxxed for this latest surge. It is totally what Ivan Illich predicted, the medical establishment having long passed his “second watershed” moment, it exists only to perpetuate itself.
And also as he said, as the crises mount, the technocracy must exert ever more control over citizens. These people will do anything and everything to absolve themselves, so I am skeptical of any sort of reckoning any time soon. Some other disaster will roll out to change the subject if things get too unmanageable. What. A.Freaking. Poop. Show.
Huskynut– I believe attachments are limited to 512kb, which isn’t much. Might be best saving it as a jpeg image and embedding.Maybe it can be embiggened, or link it to a bigger version somewhere else.
Bill7, thank you for posting that Ezra piece. I’m not familiar with him, but based on the fact that he writes opinions for the NYT, I figured it would be a doozy. I was not disappointed.
“..there is nothing more overrated in politics — and perhaps in life — than the power of persuasion. It is nearly impossible to convince people of what they don’t want to believe…”
No kidding, Ezra? Somebody sure baited your hook good, no?
For all the exhortations to respect their concerns, there is a deep condescension in believing that we’re smart enough to discover or invent some appeal they haven’t yet heard.
That’s the faux “see, I am not like those fake respecters of the deplorables, I really do respect them, because I’m deeper than your average exhorters on their soap boxes”. Talk about condenscension.
The big problem with his position is the underlying refusal to engage the other side’s postions in any real way. His statement:
The unvaccinated often hold their views strongly, and many are making considered, cost-benefit calculations given how they weigh the risks of the virus, and the information sources they trust to inform them of those risks. Another masterful piece of condenscension that could be flipped right around and used verbatim to support the opposite camp.I’m sympathetic to most of the ideas people have offered. The F.D.A. should give the vaccines full approval, not just emergency authorization, as the agency’s absurd process has created mass confusion and fed mistrust. We should respect people’s concerns and their intelligence.
Yeah, that absurd process, testing the drugs that we’ll be injecting into the entire U.S. population. Lets do an emergency authorization of the emergency authorization and make it “legit”. But hey, Ezra is sympathetic to most ideas people have offered. Obviously he is speaking exclusively, 100 percent to the people who think exactly as he does. They need to figure out the least messy ways to force the rest of the population to get vaxxed.
Though I’d like to believe otherwise, I don’t think our politics can support a national vaccination mandate. So Ezra would like to live under a government that would force all of its citizens to be injected with a drug against their will.
Side note, he becomes what, the hundredth pundit to use that bul$$#@!&it Alabama doctor quote. “A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.” A General Hospital learning moment. If this happened sort of even one time I would be shocked. It wreaks of not the truth. I am not unsympathetic to those who die young of Covid, but if you look at the CDC data that Chris Martinsen went over in a video the other day, even one death as she describes would be such an outlier–young plus no comorbidities–as to be a spotted unicorn. She holds hands and hugs and intubates but won’t use Ivermectin. Her patients should have requested transfers to Houston. Hero or unthinking coward, you decide.
Can someone who has a subscription to the NYT paste up the salient points of this piece?
Ezra Klein
What if the Unvaccinated Can’t Be Persuaded?On vaccines, Gates also had a message for parents who fear side effects as a reason not to get their kids their shots. “It is wild that just because you get misinformation, thinking you’re protecting your kid, you’re actually putting your kid at risk, as well as all the other kids around them.”
Using measles as an example of a once-dangerous disease that’s easily preventable by a vaccine, Gates warned against complacency.
“As you get a disease down to small numbers, people forget. So they back off. They think, ‘Gosh, I heard from rumor. Maybe I’ll just avoid doing it,’” he said. “As you accumulate more and more people saying that for whatever reason, eventually measles does show up. Kids get sick. And sometimes they die.”
From Microsoft News, advocating harsher measures against the unvaxxed:
“…in the United States, immunologist Anthony Fauci is already talking about an imminent new coronavirus wave with up to 4,000 deaths a day and is warning of a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” — because too few people in the country are getting their shots….The road to compulsory vaccination would, however, be a long and winding one in legal terms, and an immense challenge. The private sector, however, doesn’t have those shackles,,,Those who denounce vaccination as arbitrary seem to forget and ignore the seriousness of the pandemic: the overburdened hospitals, the collapse of health-care structures, the detrimental effects on the younger generation, which some are already calling the “lost generation,” and the challenging social and economic upheavals. Full article: Opinion: Fundamental rights are not vaccination privilegesFrom MSNBC article in Jan 2019:
Bill Gates: My ‘best investment’ turned $10 billion into $200 billion worth of economic benefit
Investing in global health organizations aimed at increasing access to vaccines creates a 20-to-1 return, the Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist says.A “scientific” piece from the New Yorker that presents a rational, calm veneer but still manages to skirt every major issue around Covid 19 and the global response:
Coexisting with the Coronavirus
COVID-19 is likely to become an endemic disease. How will our immune systems resist it? By Katherine S. XueIt’s not a secret plan, it’s the vast quantities of energy combined with the regular list of human follies. And, as Kunstler likes to summarize his theory of history, “It seemed like a good idea at the time.”
As far as continuing to believe that more vaccinated citizens is the answer, even if it were true, it simply is not possible. Check out how many countries on this list are below 10% and then contemplate how many U.S. citizens fly there to manage the fast fashion factories alone.
Tracking Covid-19 vaccinations worldwide“The bureaucratic management of human survival is
unacceptable on both ethical and political grounds. It would also
be as futile as former attempts at mass therapy. This does not, of
course, mean that a majority might not at first submit to it. People
could be so frightened by the increasing evidence of growing
population and dwindling resources that they would voluntarily
put their destiny into the hands of Big Brothers…Man would live in a plastic bubble that would protect his
survival and make it increasingly worthless. Since man’s tolerance
would become the most serious limitation to growth, the
alchemist’s endeavor would be renewed in the attempt to produce
a monstrous type of man fit to live among reason’s dreams. A
major function of engineering would become the psychogenetic
tooling of man himself as a condition for further growth. People
would be confined from birth to death in a world-wide
schoolhouse, treated in a world-wide hospital, surrounded by
television screens, and the man-made environment would be
distinguishable in name only from a world-wide prison…”Tools For Conviviality, Chapter V, Political Inversion –Ivan Illich 1973 (Note: Link will download a pdf of TFC)
I agree wholeheartedly with UpstateNYer. Nobody is switching vials or giving saline or taking notes. Switching the drug based on zip codes? Right–in the first months people were driving 4 counties over to get jabbed.
A vast, coordinated plandemic is not within the capabilities of a single country’s government, never mind a globally orchestrated depopulation. The only thing speculation like that does is taint all the real reasons that vaccinations should not be forced.
It’s all about the stupidity, incompetence, greed, cowardice, fecklessness, immorality, and bad breath of the various crats– bureaucrats, plutocrats, aristocrats technocrats, autocrats, democrats–the CratRat Pack.
Here are a few opinion pieces from The Hill. The overarching theme is the blatant contradictions from paragraph to paragraph. It seems laughable, the religious zealotry being portrayed as science. But the anti anti-vaxxers vitriol is increasing at an alarming rate.
This one makes the most “sense” but it’s an extremely low bar (and of course it’s pro-vax):
Want to improve vaccine rates? Ask for this endorsement
Save the kids! By doing stuff proven to do nothing! Which I mostly admit in this ridiculous opinion piece I’ve written!
Masks and vaccines: What would you do to save a child?
Here’s the scary one:
It’s time we had ‘safe havens’ for vaccinated AmericansIf you are really down the conspiracy hole, you will tell yourself that this illogic is meant to confuse us and make us insane, and “these people” are actually super smart and know exactly what they are doing. Be my guest. I vote simple: stupid.
But there is an underlying dynamic. The need for the technocracy to exert more and more control becomes greater as energy inputs start to decline. It’s happening at mostly an unconscious level right now. Or, if you follow D. Orlov, the technosphere itself is an organism of sorts.
Paging Doc Robinson. Doc Robinson to the stats desk, stat. Doc Robinson to the stat desk.
Here is one vaguery: “Among people age 12 or older in Florida, 55% are fully vaccinated, compared with 57% nationally, according to the CDC.At University of Florida Health Jacksonville’s two hospitals, 146 patients have been admitted with COVID-19—a record high for the facilities, exceeding the previous peak of 125 in January, said Chad Neilsen, director of accreditation and infection prevention. COVID-19 patients take up three-quarters of the beds at the system’s north campus, which draws people from more-rural areas with low vaccination rates, he said.”
First, the Florida vax rate virtually mirrors the national rate. Second, the north campus “draws people from more-ruiral areas with low vaccination rates” Whoa! Science! And the list of reasons includes every one in the book…
Re: the madamski reveal. Entirely unsurprising. In fact several times I was tempted to mention my hunch madam was a manski, but figured it was something not entirely appropriate to speculate upon in a public forum. Don’t go throwing a gender reveal party, though–those seem to often end badly T’would be an ignoble end indeed for the madamski.
FWIW,. the League of American Wheelmen did not officially rescind it’s ban against blacks until 1999.
Dr. D wrote: Man, I missed it on the Cleveland Indians. Although my response was correct, it was general – that their “help” plan was to erase history and people — the case was specific. The Cleveland Indians were FOUNDED on the real Indians, the first one in baseball, Louis Sockalexis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sockalexis So they should be PROUD of what they did, but are so mind-bendingly ignorant, so cowardly, devoid of their own history, and so incapable of “typing” in “Google” that they annihilated his legacy, while Louis was honored in the American Indian Athletic Hall of Fame.
Yeah, you missed it. Dr D, you forgot to include the disclaimer printed directly above where you got your info: This section’s factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on Talk:Louis Sockalexis. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (January 2020)
Here is the much more likely scenario:
An oft-repeated legend is that the name “Indians” was chosen because it was one of the nicknames previously applied to the old Cleveland Spiders baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis, a Native American, played in Cleveland.[8] The attribution of the new name as being in honor of Sockalexis, a member of the Penobscot Tribe of Maine, is generally discredited given the discriminatory treatment of Native Americans in general, and Sockalexis in particular during that era.[9] The news stories published to announce the selection in 1915 make no mention of Sockalexis, but do make many racist and insulting references to Native Americans….The resolution issued by the Society of Indian Psychologists in 1999 states: “Stereotypical and historically inaccurate images of Indians in general interfere with learning about them by creating, supporting and maintaining oversimplified and inaccurate views of indigenous peoples and their cultures. When stereotypical representations are taken as factual information, they contribute to the development of cultural biases and prejudices…”[11]
This point of view echoes the position of the National Congress of American Indians, the oldest and largest organization representing enrolled tribal citizens in the United States: “Often citing a long held myth by non-Native people that ‘Indian’ mascots ‘honor Native people,’ American sports businesses such as the NFL’s Washington ‘Redskins’ and Kansas City ‘Chiefs’, MLB’s Cleveland ‘Indians’ and Atlanta ‘Braves’, and the NHL’s Chicago Black Hawks, continue to profit from harmful stereotypes originated during a time when white superiority and segregation were common place.”[12]
Native American protesters in Cleveland also state that “retiring” Chief Wahoo would not be a sufficient solution to the issue, since both the name and logo would need to be changed to something that does not reference Native Americans in any way.[13]
As I said yesterday, this is not a woke or cancel culture issue, it has been going on much longer by the actual people concerned. And as I said yesterday, if you read the comments from the article posted, you would see the vitriol and racism alive and well in 2021.
The example someone also gave the other day of the Native American high school that uses the name Indian is not an issue when the team is a team of mainly Native American players. Although there are interesting takes on the reasons for that name if you want to analyze from a Lazy-Boy.
You are projecting today’s mores on yesterday’s sports writers, a motley bunch in any era. The level of animosity that non-white sportsmen faced in that time period is hard to actually fathom today. When they became too successful, like Major Taylor, they simply stopped allowing them to compete.
But maybe if you feel strongly enough you can be a dude protesting the name change of an entertainment conglomerate that mainly exists to sell overpriced beer and hot dogs, Made in China polyester team shirts and caps with stereotype logos, and tv commercials, while employing highly paid, highly genetically gifted entertainers.
oxymoron wrote: Thanks so much for Rage against the Vaccine article Raul. Really good thinking and writing. I read it twice.
Agreed. Kudos.
What I cannot fathom is this: It is in writing from the vaccine makers that the vaccines do not stop people from getting and transmitting Covid 19. What the vaccines do, is, for the person that takes one, supposedly reduces serousness of the disease. Period. This is irrefutable. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is fact acknowledged by the companies providing the vaccines. So why the unvaxxed are being ostracized and separated is bizarre to say the least.
I wish the “alt” journalists with some mainstream cred such as Greenwald and Taibbi would hammer this along with the Ivermectin story. Great to cover student debt crisis and domestic terrorism, bs, but we need a barrage of truth that becomes overwhelming regarding the Covid situation, because this is something that will potentially subsume everything else. This is the clear and present danger to whatever freedoms we imagine we have left.
Raul wrote: I continue to find it strange that the cancel culture thinks that if they try to erase history, that somehow makes things better. What these teams should do is wear their names with pride, by reaching out to native communities, set up support projects, get involved in business, invest in the future of the children, so that the communities in turn feel pride in being represented by the teams.
It’s sad that this is being conflated with “cancel culture.” Native Americans never referred to themselves as Indians or Redskins. The sports teams names have zero to to with Native American history, they are names long considered demeaning used by mega wealthy entertainment entities (ie, modern sports teams).
It’s a nice thought to “reach out” to native communities–except there are none in Washington, D.C. or Cleveland. They long ago were herded into reservations. And approaching them as an organization with names offensive to them is…not such a great idea.
If you don’t think the names are racist, read the comments on Durden’s litte take on the matter. How about the Cleveland Kikes or the Washington Wops? They could reach out to the Jewish and Italian folks in the hood.
The reason Redskin and Indian don’t have the same sting is because the Native American people don’t even have a voice in the conversation that is strong enough to have any say in the matter. While I detest the woke culture, if that is the momentum that pushed this over–and black baseball league players being included in the sport’s official records–then that is one of the few good things the “movement” has accomplished.
This follows the Washington Redskins, who changed their name “Washington Football Team” in the summer of 2020. Both of these teams have ditched Native American terminology because in today’s “woke” culture it’s considered racist.
Irish” terminology”–Mic*. Puerto Rican Sp** Afro American –the n word. If Native American groups say the names are offensive to them, end of story, no?Jim Kunstler quotes a medical source this morning:
…the rate of reporting [adverse reactions] to the VAERS system in the US and Europe is very poor: somewhere between 1 and ten percent of actual events being reported. This obviously means that the actual death rate is likely much higher. So, I would not be surprised if the real number of ‘vax’ induced deaths in the US is in the range of 100,000 or more, much more.We throw around #s like that on TAE as well. But. While I have heard 2nd or 3rd hand believable reports of people dying of Covid, I have not heard a single such report of serious side effects (that is, not just temporary pain or feeling crappy for a day or two) never mind deaths related to the vaccines. Especially if these deaths were in people younger than 65 and/or with no comorbidities, I would think even the lapdog media would be hard-pressed to keep these expirations out of the news cycles.
An average of about 8,000 people die every day in the U.S. Are we doing the same thing we accuse the “other side”of doing with Covid deaths? Such as listing a car accident victim as death by vaccine if they were on the way home from the shot? I’m exaggerating a bit, but I am skeptical of the death claims. Again, the slightest tendency to make overblown claims will only hurt the very real concerns about these vaccines, so I’m curious what others think.
The NFL rule is the same thing they are doing with businesses like bars and restaurants–if a case is reported, they must shut down.
But as per the NYT own headline today about breakthrough cases, does that mean if there are cases not started by an unvaxxed player, no forfeit is required? Science me that, Batman.(Please consider all my posts this morning as one looong one and do
For these reasons, vaccine mandates cause intense disputes. But when supporters win the argument, public health has often benefited. Guy Nicolette, an administrator at the University of California, Berkeley, pointed out to The Washington Post that colleges have long required other vaccines, like the one for measles. “It’s staggering how well a mandate works on a college campus,” he said.
Dr. Aaron Carroll, Indiana University’s chief health officer, has noted that the country’s victories over many diseases — including smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and diphtheria — have depended on vaccine mandates by states or local governments. “That’s how the country achieves real herd immunity,” Carroll wrote in The Times. (In the U.S., a national mandate may be unconstitutional.)
When states and school districts have opted not to require vaccines, a disease can often spread needlessly, Carroll explained. That has been the case with human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease known as HPV that can cause cancer. It’s also been the case with influenza, which kills about 35,000 Americans in a typical flu season.
Covid now seems certain to join influenza and HPV as diseases that American society chooses to accept. But it is a choice. Companies, schools and communities that decide to enact vaccine mandates will almost certainly save American lives by doing so.
Mark Barnes, a former health official in New York City, told Bloomberg that he expected the number of these mandates to grow in coming months. “We’re going to see more vaccine mandates by large organizations of all kinds,” he predicted.It’s true that these mandates often generate intense criticism. In France, more than 100,000 people marched to protest Macron’s policy. In the U.S., critics sued, unsuccessfully so far, to stop Indiana University’s mandate. Some Republican politicians have also tried to stop mandates, including Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida and Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio.
The mandates are also not 100 percent effective. Some people will receive exemptions, as was the case at Houston Methodist. A small number may forge vaccine records. And some vaccinated people will still contract mild versions of Covid, through so-called breakthrough infections.
But even with the opposition and the exceptions, mandates can play a major role in reducing the spread of Covid and saving lives. That’s especially true now that the Delta variant is fueling a rise in cases. “The takeaway message remains, if you’re vaccinated, you are protected,” Dr. Céline Gounder, an infectious disease specialist, told our colleague Apoorva Mandavilli. “You are not going to end up with severe disease, hospitalization or death.”
A ‘staggering’ success
Covid is a new disease, and the debates over Covid policy can seem new, as well. But they’re often not wholly new. They instead echo longstanding debates. Vaccine mandates fall into this category.
Throughout history, societies have struggled with when and how to require vaccines. Opponents of mandates have argued that individuals should be allowed to make their own health decisions — and bear the consequences: What, they ask, is more personal than deciding whether to inject a medicine into one’s body? Supporters of mandates have replied that society has a duty to protect its citizens, including those who cannot be inoculated (like young children and some immunocompromised people, in the case of Covid) and are therefore put at risk by people who voluntarily refuse vaccines.Hopefully this time will work, but maybe too much pasting and the software does not allow it. I will try posting in sections, I think it is important.
Anyway this is from a NYT newsletter I receive. A masterpiece of propaganda. I like the way they try to put it in the context of vaccines historically, as if the mRNA “vaccines” were in any way comparable.
Good morning. Vaccine mandates are controversial. They’re also an effective way to save lives.
How to save lives
Vaccine mandates are controversial. They’re also effective.
Before Houston Methodist became one of the first hospital systems in the U.S. to mandate Covid-19 vaccines, about 85 percent of its employees were vaccinated. After the mandate, the share rose to about 98 percent, with the remaining 2 percent receiving exemptions for medical or religious reasons, Bloomberg’s Carey Goldberg reported. Only about 0.6 percent of employees quit or were fired.
Schools — including Indiana University and many private colleges — that require students and workers to get vaccinated have reported extremely high uptake.
A recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey of Americans who had been opposed to getting vaccinated and later changed their minds found that mandates — or restrictions on the unvaccinated — were one common reason. One 51-year-old man told Kaiser that he began to feel as if he had “limited options without it.”
The French government will soon require that people show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test to eat at a restaurant, attend a movie or participate in many other activities. After President Emmanuel Macron announced the policy last week, the number of vaccine appointments surged. Italy announced a similar policy yesterday, The Times’s Marc Santora explains.I don’t have a huge problem with people “overposting.” I just scroll on by. Especially a post that consists of just a link, with a cute description that does not tell me what I’m going to. I will maybe do one of those now and then just for kicks, but otherwise, can’t be bothered. No harm no foul. (GIFs on the other hand, please, stop. MySpace anyone?)
I get why Taibbi needs to charge for his journalism, certainly worth being paid for. But linking to partial articles is a little frustrating. Interesting, he is saying the student loans not being eligible for bankruptcy is a fallacy (though does not get into why in the intro only part outside the paywall). Funny because Chris Martenson in his video just yesterday made a big point of the unforgivable student loans. Oops.
Here’s a few headlines from the NYT front page, in case anyone is interested in how the 68% are viewing things:
Forget Mask Mandates. Vaccines Are the Only Answer for Fighting Covid-19.
Why Vaccinated People Are Getting ‘Breakthrough’ Infections
The vaccines are effective, but they are not a golden shield, resulting in some vaccinated people getting infected, mostly with mild or asymptomatic cases.
A health care worker registered Mia Fontes, 15, for her second dose of the Covid-19 vaccine in New York City.
They Live in a Virus Hot Spot but Won’t Be Vaccinated
Staten Island’s recent uptick in coronavirus cases foretold a larger increase across New York City.The Morning Newsletter: Vaccine Mandates Are Divisive but Effective
What Scientists Know About the Delta Variant
Covid Updates: Travel in Australia-New Zealand Bubble Is Suspended
And we were worried how the media would survive without Trump….Right from TDS to CDS!
upstateNYer wrote: I don’t watch news, haven’t listened to a president speak in decades, am not on twitface. Didn’t experience Trump first-hand at all. Watched from the sidelines and gleaned things from headlines. Read some news stories if they weren’t Russia hysteria and didn’t lead with a twit. Er, tweet. He did some things right, some things wrong. Like most people. He also was egocentric and juvenile. Not good qualities in a president.
This is pretty spot on for me, too (maybe it’s an “Upstate NY thing?!although where I am only counts as Upstate if you are from NYC or LI.)
Anyway, I have not been able to tolerate the voice of any president since…ever, actually. I literally cannot stand to hear them speaking words. Bush, Clinton, omg Obama! Come to think of it, you can add Fauci, Cuomo, etc. to that presidential hit parade. I can not abide.
I don’t have a TV, although that no longer offers the same kind of media isolation/ quasi sanity it once did. Another factor in my favor–during the big run-up to the 2016 elections, I was recovering from major eye surgery, so even if I had wanted to pay attention, I was completely involved in my own stuff. I could not have cared less. Afterward, I got disinvited to a weekly dinner gathering because I was too indifferent about Trump. Also because I thought the Russian crap was crap.
I commented on this a few days ago but it came up again here somewhere in the posts on the Debt, so I will mention it again: The idea that they will push through the full authorization on the vaccines ASAP. Kind of an emergency full approval of an emergency use only. Very Orwellian. This will eliminate a lot of the “vaccine resistant” legal fallback, which is one reason I never liked it as a reason not to get vaccinated. ( I note a language shift starting, from the demure “vaccine hesitant” to the more obstinate “vaccine resistant”or “willingly unvaccinated”)
It’s entirely possible I will lose more friends and acquaintances over my pro choice vaccination stance than I did over my meh reaction to The Donald. But I think I can handle whatever my TAE buddies dish out without having to break out my kung fu on yuz all. Not that I don’t appreciate the company–on the contrary, I enjoy it more each day, and it is good for the soul to know there are like-minded people out here questioning the craziness. ‘Cause I am not bumping into many in real life. And when I do, it’s by no means a spitting image of yours truly. (Thanks be to god;^)
