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ParticipantNoirette: I always appreciate your insights. Thank you.
Zerosum: Yes, people are ridiculously susceptible to “pot calling kettle black.” The first thing we need to do is look in the mirror. All of us.
I find Aaron Kheriaty, a dr and medical ethicist who lost his job due to covid jab mandates, to be one of the most reasonable, logical, and well-spoken voices on the experimental injection debate stage. Highly recommend you read (frequently on Brownstone Institute) or listen to his interviews when you get the chance.
The covid nonsense is not over. Distracted as the West might be right now with Ukraine, TPTB are just resting up to figure out the next push.
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ParticipantMy sympathies, Raul. Went through the same thing myself about a month ago. Don’t worry about TAE – we’ll miss you but muddle through until you feel up to returning.
In the meantime, commenters here ROCK! Thank you for the links. 🙂
I’ll once again recommend Brownstone. The essays on it are thoughtful and intelligent. I don’t agree with all, but isn’t that the point?
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Participant@clueless: “United States of Amnesia”
That’s genuinely funny.
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Participant@EoinW: “Yes I know the argument continues to be: “they’re frightened.” After two years?”
So this not unique to NY? Our mask mandate ended a few weeks ago. Lots of people are still wearing masks. Some of them while outside. Some while driving around by themselves. Masked people avoid being anywhere near someone who doesn’t wear a mask. Interestingly – I see more twenty-somethings and young parents wearing masks (children also masked) than I see seniors, who mostly haven’t seemed overly concerned since the start of this.
I think some people are damaged at this point. Not sure there is a fix. Sad.
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Participant“Blinken called on China to “end its ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang, repressive policies in Tibet, crackdown on fundamental freedoms in Hong Kong, and human rights violations,” as cited in Bloomberg.”
Story should read:
“US leaders, unable to gin up enough interest in Americans over the Ukraine situation, quickly pivoted to Chinese genocide to increase distraction from the country’s domestic issues. In a press conference, Jen Psaki appeared to be suffering whiplash as a result of the 180 degree turn, but promised to circle back to the topic once she has the correct canned responses memorized.”
This stuff would be funny if it weren’t so sickening. Seems like only yesterday we were celebrating China during the Olympic games. Oh, wait …
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Participant“Take it if you want. You are free to be as big of a dummy as you want to be.”
Exactly. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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ParticipantGood golly, deflationista is still harping on about Ivermectin. No one cares. No one.
Take the med or don’t, your choice. That’s the whole point. It’s supposed to be your choice based on your doctor’s advice. Not a pharmacist’s choice to fill a prescription, not the CDC’s choice as to what is allowed, your choice.
Get off the subject already.
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Participant“Scientific progress* is thwarted by the ownership of data and …. does not share raw data with the academic research community.”
That right there is the crux of the problem. I didn’t realize until a Malone interview that “peer reviewed” only meant the study itself was reviewed – that reviewers didn’t have access to the raw data.
That means that nothing, absolutely nothing, is being or ever has been peer reviewed. F*ck these lying monsters. There are no words left to describe how twisted this system is. No fix. Let it crumble. The sooner, the better.
*Scientific progress is actually thwarted because humans are dumber than a box of rocks, but that’s a different discussion.
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ParticipantChina IS beating the shit out of the US … YouTwitFace followers don’t realize it yet, and our demented leaders aren’t admitting it … but China’s manufacturing is closing down due to covid surge (sure, tell us another one) just to add a pinch of spice to those existing supply chain issues, and China is talking to Saudi Arabia about buying oil with its own currency.
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Participant“Seriously, I know that Americans see this as normal behavior …”
No, we don’t all see it that as normal behavior.
“How is Nancy Pelosi’s performance in that clip not something that would scare the heebees out of you?”
It does.
“I think neutrality is possible, even if the Americans won’t like it.”
Which Americans are we talking about?
Lumping Americans into a group based on what insane political leaders and rabid Twitter & Faceplant followers espouse isn’t any different than lumping all citizens of other countries in with the actions of their leaders. And we don’t even want to get started on how some of the other country’s citizens would be judged based on their leaders’ actions.
Just saying.
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ParticipantI agree with zerosum and kullervo: “Humans are not meant to be ecological stewards.”
We aren’t even good stewards of our own species, thinking we have the ability to provide good stewardship of any part of this planet is laughable. We’re just here to release the fossil fuels and do some other overhauling, as kullervo pointed out. We’re getting closer all the time to annihilating ourselves so it should be over soon.
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Participant@Veracious: our biggest mistake is giving Sean Penn air time. Who give a f%)k what Sean Penn thinks, much less demands. Good lord, we have truly lost our way when a freaking actor is getting air time during a major dust up that deserves clear thinking. From, idk, adults or something.
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ParticipantJust watched a Tucker clip where air raid sirens were going off in Kyiv so Fox’s Bill Hemmer started going over maps of Ukraine, talking about where Ukraine is holding the line, where the convoy is stalled, etc., etc.
Seriously … does anyone with a functioning brain cell actually believe Ukraine can win a war against Russia? (defend against Russian invasion is a more apt way to describe this, but I’ll play along with the game and use the word war)
This crap in the media is all theater. The bombing of the nuclear power plant (no one fell for that, did they?) Somehow Ukraine has stalled the Russian military convoy, or the convoy ran out of gas, or something. (sure, that’s what happened)
Russia could have leveled the entire country, if it so desired. It is giving Ukraine every opportunity to negotiate an end.
I wish the media – all of them, from every country – would stop stoking the nonsense. Just. Please. Stop. It’s like “rubber necking” at the scene of an auto accident. People just can’t help themselves. Gotta be part of the drama, even if they have to make it up.
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ParticipantOroboros, post #103916. Now THAT was funny. 🙂
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Participant@tinfoil: “For social harmony, my ( inflexible liberal minded wife ) insists I endure the chattering of friends and family as they express their emotional distress and animosity over the situation in Ukraine, all of which comes from the CBC and other “captured” ( imho ) mainstream media here in Canada.”
Don’t buy the party line? Put up and shut up!!!! You listen to US.
Why is it we’re always the ones that have to put up and shut up? This has been going on for far too long. I refuse to shut up anymore.
They have evidence showing the *truth* of their narrative? Bring it on, prove it. If not, I don’t have to listen to their shit. They can shut up, too.
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Participant“With a so-called ‘baddie’ (Putin) who partnered very closely with the WEF during said pandemic and did all the same things as everyone else. …
Now we are all scared of WW3 and forgetting the shit that just got served us.
Not me.
I’m not buying any of it.”Well done, oxy. Thank you.
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ParticipantAnother excellent post on Brownstone, worth a read …
“With the Covid crisis, the Power Elites have gone in for the kill, seeking to deprive us all of the most basic of our freedoms, the one from which all others are derived: the right to decide what we will put into our bodies.
That so many people, especially on the left where the rhetoric of bodily sovereignty has long been used to defend a woman’s right to an abortion, cannot see the fundamental nature of the struggle we are in is nothing short of astonishing… and is, sad, to say, a tribute to the extremely well-executed nature of their propaganda drive to banalize and relativize the essential nature of the freedoms we once enjoyed.”
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ParticipantDr D, your posting is not “way out on the edge.” No worries.
About hospitals – a hospital about an hour north of here had to close a few years back. Now people travel for healthcare. Must suck when you’re having a heart attack or in labor. Hard to fathom. Can’t get an appointment around here to see a doctor without waiting days (seriously, you can’t, even when you’re sick), but hospitals are closed because … not enough patients to cover operating costs? Too much skimming going on. If I remember right, that’s what happened to the hospital that closed.
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Participant@Argon: “This sums the whole discussion. Public health agencies do not publish the information if its against their narrative. So, they have the data, which show that ‘the vaccines’ are ineffective, and they don’t publish the data, because if they did, people would think ineffective ‘vaccines’ vaccines are ineffective. Usage of the word misinterpret here is nice, is the dictionary meaning for the word misinterpret as follows: ‘to make conclusions which are against the official narrative, even if the conclusion is right’ ?”
Classic!!! Thank you for the laugh. 🙂
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Participant@TDK:
“during the last two years, we have lost faith in:
doctors,
teachers,
scientists,
clergy.
these people were previously the pillars of our society, acting to counterbalance the nefarious acts of politicians, lawyers, judges, big media and ceo’s.”
Speak for yourself, please. I lost faith in these “pillars” decades ago.
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ParticipantJust watched a Tucker Carlson Today long interview with Dr Robert Malone, who calls Rogan’s 2 recent apology videos (on Instagram and FB) “hostage videos.” Lol. Couldn’t agree more. Rogan folded.
My forecast: If you think Rogan is playing some type of three dimensional chess where he comes out on top because he’s the “apologetic, bigger person”, you haven’t joined the rest of us in Alice’s Wonderland yet. Blood’s in the water now and Rogan will be watered down. Say buh, buh to your 10s of millions of followers, Joe …
Look at the bright side … blue check is all in once Rogan is underwater.
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Participant[sigh]
This is not hard to figure out, you guys. Forget about arguing with Deflationista because, seriously, what difference does that make?
Oxy has led the way for everyone here, whether they realize it or not. Australia is one of the worst situations in this whole global dumpster fire.
Oxy stood his ground, held to his core values, didn’t back down no matter what happened. Hats off to Oxy and what he has been through over the past two years.
No arguments are needed anymore, although i get it – that’s what keeps y’all involved in this board.
A tribute to oxy:
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Participant@D Benton … lol. Right? He/his/him … or She/Her/Hers (before you laugh … I have that at work)
Or … holy cow … they/theirs
I have that at work, too.
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ParticipantI’m not sure where the statement “the US sneezes and the world gets a cold” comes from, but y’all from other countries ought to be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking that, much less saying it out loud. Why would you let that be the case? And for how many decades is that going to be the excuse?
Perhaps it’s time for everyone to put on their big boy pants and take some responsibility for what’s happening on their home turf.
As for people worried about the SCOTUS decision tomorrow? Those US citizens who haven’t given in yet, won’t. Doesn’t matter what SCOTUS says tomorrow.
In case you wonder if that’s true. Here … nearly 6 million views. Not one down vote yet.
End of unpopular post … you may now down vote me. 😉
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ParticipantThis is a very serious question …
Why does everyone refer to Deflationista as a male? (he)
I have always thought of Deflationista as femaie – perhaps because of the languages that gender identify with word usage? (Spanish for example).
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ParticipantI’m only a half hour into this Rogan interview with John Abramson (#1756 in case the link doesn’t work). I thought nothing pharma does could shock me anymore. I was wrong. Most eye opening is the statement that peer reviewers don’t have access to all the data when they review. They only have access to the data the pharma company provides. I’d hardly call that a peer review.
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ParticipantDr D is excellent today.
I was listening to Tucker Carlson’s monologue about covid/vaxx the other day and realized that you don’t even need to be a good writer to make this stuff sound stupid. It’s so stupid you just put the words on the page and they speak for themselves.
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Participant@oxy: “I just have to look at who is doing the looking.”
Bravo! That’s why I began, sort of, praying again of late. Wasn’t crazy about who was doing the looking. It’s been eye opening. Thank you for sharing. 🙂
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ParticipantWould be interesting to know how many people who are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital for ANY reason die. 2%? More??
As an aside, what was that stat? 63% put on ventilators die? I’m sorry that after two years we’re still putting people with covid on ventilators, administering Remdesivir, and killing them. Seems we should have learned something by now. Apparently we aren’t capable.
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ParticipantDarn it, Doc Robinson, stop stating actual data and facts!! It’s simply too much for the mind to comprehend after two years of … whatever this is. /sarc
What difference does it make how many in the hospital with covid die? What was that stat Deflationista quoted, 2% die?
We need to go all the way back to the starting point before we can blather on about 2% in the hospital with covid dying …
How many people who got covid (hey – we’ll even use the official tested positive definition – how’s that for being generous!!) actually had to go to the hospital at all?
When Deflationista can provide that stat (no one can since not everyone tests) … then we can begin to have a rational conversation about this.
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Participant@tdk: lol. I don’t generally refer to him that way, but I was attempting to post a respectful response and since some people actually think Fauci is some sort of dr … I went with that title. Trust me, that is not how I personally view the man.
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ParticipantInquiring minds want to know … if someone is double vaxxed, and in the hospital with covid, are they unvaxxed because they didn’t have the booster?
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ParticipantAnd the lord of all that is science, Fauci, DID say that about kids in the hospital. I saw the clip on Tucker the other day.
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ParticipantWe humans have certainly put virtue signaling on steroids over the past couple years. It was ramping up anyhow, but good golly ….
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Participant“You seriously think, for even one second, that hospitals, that have no space and are increasingly understaffed, are going to be admitting patients simply because they test positive?
Or, do you think that maybe, just maybe, when someone is hospitalized, they are sick enough to warrant it? “
Well, um, Dr Fauci stated in an interview the other day that, for example, almost all children in the hospital who “have covid” are not there because they “have covid”. They are there for other things, like a broken leg or appendicitis, but everyone is tested for covid when entering the hospital so … they may be in the hospital “with” covid because of a positive test result, but they are not there because they are so sick “from” covid they need to be hospitalized.
So, yeah, that’s what we’re saying. Figure that one out on your own. You can look up the Fauci interview. Also, in case you’re interested in facts, go ahead and look up the case numbers on worldometer … then look up the death numbers.
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ParticipantY’all have a bunch of interesting comments today.
D Benton’s earlier [excellent] comment, followed on by oxy’s follow-up comment:
“Nature, as much as we worship it’s beauty and its bossom is still a killing machine.”
@Oxy: correct. Nature is, indeed, heartless (from man’s perspective – I don’t think it’s a killing machine – it’s a life cycle). However, man does not, indeed, matter much in the greater scheme of things. Man on earth? Man not on earth? Why would nature even care. Man better think about that.
@D Benton: very well written comment. I’d argue that humans don’t evolve upward, but that’s a quibble. We all have our own perspectives. 😉
@Maxwell: “Fleetwood Mac’s ‘Dreams”. Listening to it now. You might have a good point with this one. 🙂
@bill7: “JM Greer says their dystopian project (on us) is way too complex and energy intensive, and will fail.”I’m in the camp it’ll fail sooner, rather than later. Have been having this debate since pre-covid. What is that called? anno dommi something something something??? … before the new religion of covid?
History should be interesting. Wonder who’s going to write it.
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Participant@John Day: “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”
Interesting comments in this vein tonight (my time). I actually began praying recently (first time in decades), asking how not to be angry and judgemental with all that’s going on, particularly when it comes to harming our little ones. The answer?
“Quit being a judgemental a**hole.”
Yup, that was the answer. Easy to understand, once it was tossed in my face. What, exactly, gives me the right to judge others?
(respect is a different matter – I can “dis”respect others based on their actions. I still have no right to judge them)
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ParticipantMy sister is a dr. A pediatrician, actually. She called last week to see how I was doing since I have *the virus*. I was barely civil. Just barely. I challenged her on everything and she had not one good answer. Not one. Almost all medical professionals have let humanity down. They have for decades. We don’t owe them respect. Not sure why people worry about damaged relationships with people who can’t even bother to uphold what they swore to do when they earned their credentials.
I don’t do that in my job – ignore what I know to be right because it’s easier – I don’t tolerate that from others, either.
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Participant“All blessings to everyone during this War of the Lies & Damned Lies!”
Thank you, Gary.
And this statement was kinda funny, thanks for the laugh: “…haven’t had a spin in the bio-weapon barrel, yet.”
I haven’t doubted that a virus existed so not surprised when it hit me and the fam. I was hoping *the protocol* would have a more significant impact on it than it has proven to have. But who’s to say, maybe it did. (I don’t think it did … but I’m keeping an open mind …)
One thing I decided upfront, being here in the US and [especially] in NY and [most especially] in upstate NY in the epicenter of the SUNY UPSTATE UNIVERSITY hospital system (apologies for the all caps, but this freaking NYS funded – that’s what SUNY stands for – Upstate University healthcare system is a monopolistic plague on our entire region).
Anyhow, the *last* thing I was going to do was go to any medical facility anywhere around here. I decided I would die at home first. And that was not a “tongue in cheek” statement. That is what I decided. And a few times over the past week or so even wondered about. 😉
And so life goes on. What I will say, guys, is if I can make it through this in my state of health when it hit me, I’m pretty sure you can make it through this.
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Participant@John Day: Meant to ask, how is Jenny’s hospitalized family member doing? (… the other one got worse after finishing ivermectin, and hospitalized after a few days off of it, even though the full 5 day course was taken, and all of the other medicines and supplements were also continued …)
And, not to dismiss the usefulness of Ivermectin or other treatment protocols, but to me it does not seem anything is the “magic bullet” for the virus. Much like any other coronaviruses, I suppose, which we cannot successfully prevent after hundreds(?) of years of trying. It is what it is.
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