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To continue along the ‘globalist’ theme, Fauci / the US / is just one actor re. collab. / payment to Chinese Labs, particularly the P4 lab in Wuhan.
From France:
In 2018 Macron visited China. He signed an accord to continue (note, continue) collaborating w. China on infectious diseases. (Collab. is of very long standing..)
The then director, Yuan Zhiming of the P4 lab in Wuhan, studied in France. According to him (no surprise) the lab was set up partly as a reaction to SARS. A ‘good’ part of the setting up was paid by France, I’m not confident about the details, the sums *reportedly huge* so leave it aside.
The Macron visit was after a visit by Cazeneuve, French PM, in 2017, to the Lab itself.
Caz declared that France would support the lab to the tune of one million Euros every year for 5 years. (That was the promise, idk if paid.)
link in F, i posted the essentials.
http://french.china.org.cn/china/txt/2018-04/18/content_50906146.htm
Several other collaborative endavours were set up. Here is one example from the Insitut Pasteur, France.
A 4-year research group (meaning it is set to go for 4 years), again in 2017, between the Insitut Pasteur and the Chinese Academy of Science, to study infectious, tropical, neglected diseases. A top F minister was there to oversee the signing of the accord. (Le Drian!) This collab. was planned way back in 2004, by Jaques Chirac, and the 2017 thing is a continuation. (gen. article, second link.)
https://www.franceculture.fr/sciences/le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-une-histoire-francaise
Here is a v. short report of the second Franco-Chinese summit on infectious diseases held in Wuhan, 2012. Session 3 is devoted to vaccines.
https://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tap-p.1477-14791.pdf
(Some lab rats in F have been learning Chinese. Good pay in view.)
Big Pharma, in lien with interested parties of various types, even if confusedly for now (tech aka internet, social media, MSM, internal security, military for some part, ,..all supported by the MSM) has always aimed for the complete control of illness, its diagnosis, treatment. Aka, the conditions allowed for life, and the decisions concerning death.
Irresistible: the opportunity for total control of ppl’s lives, how they are lived, how and when they die. Potentially, it is an alliance between Big Pharma and Big Tech. Both are trans-national, global. The beginnings are imho visible today. (Face-book and Pfizer for ex.) Senile Biden or Servile Macron are mere posturing figureheads, the myth of rivalry between Nation-States in kept alive as it makes ppl adhere to what they see as their Nation’s leaders, or their oppponents, in a divide-to-conquer scheme.
A first aim is to remove Docs. on the ground entirely. (They are *very* expensive middle-men.) Only ‘nurses’ and ‘aides’ acting on orders doing scut work will be needed. Already, as we can see, docs. can’t prescribe or treat patients as they wish, and are being deprived of licenses, arrested, whatever -> to serve as examples. Where I live, docs. are more or less controlled by insurance companies (i.e. straight out rapacious money-makers.)
Patients will be treated by Super-Ordinate (aka Corp!) agencies via algos, be it for infectious diseases or medical procedures, meds. for long term conditions. Surgeons who obey orders are thus still needed. The COV19 ‘pandemic’ is to be seen as a first step in a long process.
All the State, Corp, International, reactions to COV-19 can be seen as going in that direction. Many of the Personnel of Gvmts. in ‘W democracies’ would be super pleased to have their responsibility for ‘health’ removed, outsourced, so to speak, to external, “wiser”, “better informed” (global) agencies. (See also the recent reliance on WHO directives.)
OK that was the +++ conspiracy side of my thoughts on the organisation of health care.
previous thread:
Dr. D thanks so much for the reminder re. Solzhenitsyn.
Huskynut wrote: Can someone pls help me understand why the Chinese doc applying for a vaccine patent in Feb 2020 is supposedly so terrible?
The lab was doing gain-of-function research. The stated purpose of GoF research is to be able to develop remedial treatments in advance of an actual pandemic. In the course of that research they very likely made advances that could potentially be monetised following the outbreak of Covid, regardless of whether the lab was the source of the precise virus that we now know as Covid. (…) .. how the patent application is evidence of any kind of smoking gun?
The ‘smoking gun’ story is based on a simple reading of the relation between disease->vaccine. Say in Feb. 2020: Bad disease, a pandemic, unknown how to prevent it or cure it. A plan to prevent it with a vax was in place at the same time — Ergo, the Chinese (others?) created the virus (or were aware of it..) as they pre-emptively sought to ‘prevent’ it.
Imho, Huskynut, GOF research – or perhaps more accurately! bio-weapons research – is perforce concentrated on both the creation of ‘killers’ (here viruses) and ‘protectors / curers’, the two go hand-in-hand, like missiles and anti-missiles, say.
Plus, from a purely scientific pov, it is understandable. Creating – applying “X” that produces or augments some effect due to some causation must quite naturally if only on a theoretical level be accompanied by what does (or could) reduce or negate the effect. Otherwise one hasn’t understood anything much, and surprises will follow. Yes this a mechanistic interpretation of “Science” but so it goes.
To add, I think the schema: create a problem, alarm, hype it, it is ohhh! All A Disaster! to then propose a solution that can be monetised, is a template that shouldn’t be applied to COV19, it is more serious than that.
WES, happy wedding anniversary! Congrats.
Now here is a strange thing. For reasons local, and re. long interest in waste, I keep my eyes on rubbish bins, and the like. When I walk out of my flat, up a small road, I face a large wheelie bin (Brit terms, idk US, garbabe container?), it is very dark grey, and it has on it side, in caps, in white spray paint, WES.
It’s graffiti, and not municipal tagging. It has been there for about a year and was not removed, I suppose because it isn’t ugly or insulting (as opposed to TUER LES 1235 – Kill the guys who live in x district), and it was only last week I made a link with a poster on TAE. I have no idea where this WES sign comes from / what it means. Anyway there it is, someone in the world somewhere has made a link between graffiti on a garbage bin, and you, one person living in the US.
The intertubes, man. 🙂 🙂
Precursors to the discovery of COV19 in Wuhan, from Europe.
The imho no doubt largest Chinese communities in Europe have been and are (> 2020) in Italy. Northern Italy – the top hotspot for COV19 for a long time. Plus Tuscany.
Numbers are hard to come by, as ‘ethnicity’ is not a category used in the EU. For N. Italy, it seems Gvmt sources claim 100K Chinese inhabitants, reasonable estimates, 150K, others, 200K.
Idk, might be more, illegals (= many) are under the radar. You can’t see it if you drive around as a tourist, as they live in industrial / close to industrial / specific villages that are not visited/ etc. spots. (I visit N. Italy often, family.)
They are employed in, and now a large part run the ex-Italian textile, leather, apparel (e.g. + handbags) industry. Look up Louis Vuitton and others, all will tell much of their merch is made in Italy. (They can’t say made in China for reasons legal / of image, so ..workers were imported.)
In 1998, It. law changed and Chinese citizens were able to own bizness. (as opposed to being exploited employees.) Of course there are sweat shops all over the place still today, but since then, Chinese entrepreneurs could open their own biz, and they employed compatriots. And many have been extremely successful.
Arte docu. about Prato (Tuscany). It is about Chinese youth in Prato, their lives, their schools, hopes and dreams. (All the images are from Prato. Speakers It. + Chin. w. F or D voice-over.) 25 mins., good, even for just a look at some shots. Note: this is not just a cute show about some foreign uprooted community: 20% or more of the inhabitants of Prato are Chinese, or by now, hopeful Chinese-Italian, in the sense of Chinese youth hoping to become Italian. (Intermarriage has been nil or close to, imho.)
Point is, the biggest consistent exchange of ppl China-Europe has trad. taken place between Wenzhou and N. Italy, thru Malpensa airport. Is that of relevance for Covid? Maybe, maybe not. Note some regions in China and Italy (N) share characteristics, ginormous use of electricity, dense pop. in some spots, manu-factories all over, working 24/24, etc.
Precursors to the discovery of COV19 in Wuhan, from Europe.
The French delegation to the Wuhan Military Games, some dismaying number but not everyone, fell sick as dogs. With the typical Covid Symptoms. (None died afaik.)
They couldn’t understand it and found it excruciating to compete, didn’t win many medals. One F competitor woman, Elodie Clouvel (goog) was indeed quoted in several MSM outlets (she did win a medal, popular woman athlete) about a peculiar sickness, her companion in another team fell sick also.. many others…
A gossipy F MSM link, also details Swedish athletes falling ill.
Another F MSM, athletes real sick, etc.
It was widely opined at the time that F milit. athletes weren’t able to compete at top form, etc. (The food? The flu? etc.)
Here is the telling bit, the F MSM immediately published that there was NO WAY the French delegation to the Wuhan Games caught Covid, once covid became a ‘thing.’
quote:
Au ministère des Armées, on a été demandé aux athlètes de ne pas répondre aux questions sur ce sujet avant de transmettre un communiqué sur la santé des membres de l’équipe de France militaire. Il n’y a pas eu, au sein de la délégation française des Jeux militaires mondiaux, de cas déclarés auprès du Service de santé des armées de grippes ou d’hospitalisation pendant et au retour des JMME, pouvant s’apparenter, à postériori, à des cas de Covid-19, a réagi le ministère des Armées, qui ne précise pas si Elodie Clouvel a été ou non en contact avec des médecins militaires pour être testée ou comparer ses symptômes de l’époque avec ceux du nouveau coronavirus. La délégation française a bénéficié d’un suivi médical, avant et pendant les jeux, avec une équipe médicale dédiée composée de près d’une vingtaine de personnels souligne encore le ministère…
https://bit.ly/3bZEBTx – France Info
paraph.: Army personnel are strongly advised not to answer questions (i.e. forbidden..) No infections occurred, none were declared, no hospitalisations took place. The F delegations to the Wuhan games had Med. supervision all along, 20 staff, test were carried out, etc. “Move Along Nothing to See Here” was the message.
On, Rand Paul (vid at top.)
He brings up some good points, sure he ‘ – a politician, not a neutral scientist. (If any neutral scientists ever existed, other topic.)
Science has been ‘weaponized’ – that is, used, roped in, to achieve aims that have by defintion nothing to do with ‘science’, a shoring up of an ‘Authority’ that resembles Religous Authorities of the past.
For ex. Follow the Science as adressed to the general public means: shut the f* up and do as you are told. Obey the Priests…or be an oucast…
The underlying aims are related to money (greed), control, domination, and, if confusedly for now, throwing over the post WW2 International Order (Westphalian Nation-States cooperating under some kind of International or ‘world’ rules and conventions, even if this was, is, somewhat illusory..)
What R. Paul leaves out is that research of the kind he talks about (top level micro- bio-organism research, mostly on viruses and bacteria, of various kinds, including gain-of-function, genetic manipulations, etc.) is an international endeavour.
There is a consequent + tight Int’l community collaborating on all this, and until not too long ago (2010 or a later..?) that was considered positive, in fact, researchers were chivvied into getting in touch with ‘colleagues’ (even when they didn’t speak the same language), collaborating, trying to write grant proposals together, etc. The meme that ‘top talent’ and ‘brilliance’ *has* to get together, work together, was touted, and a kind of heh, ‘we are all on the same page’ atmosphere prevailed.
Scientists were encouraged to pose on ‘community varied pix’, that is trivia, but meant to show that collab. is a main point, and via collabs. and coops. and University-Commercial Labs-Gvmt organised partnerships, much could be accomplished. Many were encouraged to ‘get onto’ projects they knew nothing, or cared nothing, about.
To advance your career (at say age 28 or 34 or…) in microbiology, bio-technology, high tech applied to medication..) you needed to publish, aka be an ‘author’, at least 20 papers with a ‘varied’ (international) team. In short, it is more like product placement than serious research.
The NIH funding the Wuhan Lab via a Fauci donation to Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance, see their site:
Is nothing special.
Practically all the research into these kinds of areas in the ‘West’ is run by Consortiums, usually called public-private partnerships, and on paper, provided one can find the relevant docs, generally include a large panoply of donors: States, non-profits, Associations (though that is not a thing in the Anglo World), Foundations, aka non-profits, Commercials aka Big Corps, others, etc. And all these entities (except in principle, States which don’t accept money) shift large sums around amongst themselves.
Kicking in open doors, the Partners of EcoHealth alliance, from their site, look at the long list:
Includes natch’ John Hopkins, the CDC, the NIH.
R. Paul is cherry picking one mini-example for political gain. OK I’m not against, good news. Would he denounce the whole structure of Med. Research in the US? Could he? Probably not.
On: Facebook no longer treating ‘man-made’ Covid as a crackpot idea.
Facebook (not only, other ‘social’ media platforms) are “controlling the narrative.”
Accusing China / the Wuhan Lab for an accidental or deliberate release of a lab-made virus was previously labelled highly dangerous disinfo.
Now it is cool, a serious claim, a “talking point” and most likely.. gasp .. clutch pearls.. or bow heads in despair…true!
When Trump said he saw evidence the virus was made in China (like children’ shoes, or sexy underwear, in the US!..) he was vilified as a racist, war-monger, idiot, etc.
He de-funded WHO (WHO protects China, its main ‘country’ level funder) – in fact only putting the contribs. on hold. The Biden Admin. re-instored US WHO funding, and is surfing on the same China culpable theory, like more investigations are needed, etc. etc.
Clearly Facebook and Consorts have had to sharply dial down their money-making model: rope ppl in as users, keep them in, allow ‘free speech’ and practically anything to keep ppl online, gather data, sell it, boost advert. income. Ultimate aim: to kill off trad. paper and TV news.
They have been threatened with shut-down, so they have become even more blatant (as compared to TV stations, MSM news like NY Times, WashPo, etc.) with their censorship, algos, etc. A direct consequence of the fact that they don’t control the ‘official news’ which comes from the PTB (like Pravda, ‘news’ is what they are told), but the reactions and opinions concerning it are in their purview, and theirs to control, in a kind of techno-fascist Huxley-an world, and that is an extremely powerful, lucrative position, which did not exist in USSR Pravda times.
Suddenly “China did it” (let the Lab-Corona virus loose on the world) is again legit. news!
Let’s not forget that much of the agitation in the MSM and on Social Platforms is there to keep ppl busy, swerving from one meme or madcap news, condemnations of indviduals, to others, in an endless cycle of trivia, scary nonsense, designed to obfuscate what is really going on.
And despite all the headlines touting “100% effective” (based solely on a slanted press release from Moderna), the absolute risk reduction is probably only 0.3% or less.
Yes Doc Robinson, one can safely say, less than 1 %! My post was about numbers that would make a 6th – 7th grader (here) either shake their heads, laugh, or call “total BS,” but apparently nobody in power, the media, etc. even twitches an eyebrow. Yeah, and docs and nurses have been a big disapointment for me (present company and some very brave ones excepted) – I expected a little more spine. Nothing like facing losing your job I guess.
The French Authorities have just admitted they screwed up part of the Covid data. Of course they don’t put it in those terms, but say they are now ‘communicating’ more *precise* data than before.
It concerns cases. Previous (I was always suspicious of these numbers, as they weren’t well defined.. and much too high, which caused me to *overestimate* the number of false positives via PCR, so I’m sort of happy because I really could not make things add up, so to speak..):
Officialdom reported ‘cases’ based on, i.e. corresponding to, number of positive tests!
…Some ppl even had, and have, as many as 15 pos. tests! (Easy to imagine, v. sick patient in hospital..)
The excuse is that with the previous policy they protected privacy and hid the identity of the patients, which generated a separate ‘code’ or ‘identity tag’ for each test. Morevoer the tests were of various kinds, taken in different places, by different methods, etc.
Now they are changing that and have a ‘new algo.’ Called in F de-doubling” ha ha, implying, cases were doubled, now we ‘de-double.’
We are told this ‘only’ concerns electronically transmitted data (i.e. via the internet, and not signed certificates by post.) It is now clear (to me and others) that the very important distinction between these methods of transmission has allowed all kinds of fudging of the data for the larger public.
Quote right from the site, check it out,
Les indicateurs recalculés avec cette nouvelle méthode montrent:
Une différence à la baisse de 12% pour le taux d’incidence France entière
Une différence à la baisse de 8% pour le taux de positivité France entière
Une différence à la baisse de 6% pour le nombre total de cas confirmés.
Trans: re-calcs with the new method show, for the whole of France, 12% less for incidence, 8% less positivity rate (which is a comparison to total tests, so pretty meaningless anyway), and total confirmed cases: minus 6%.
However, there are still some mix-ups or mysteries, imho.
The electronic, aka internet, data is analysed and apparently, as stated, applied to F in general. But that concerns about (hard to find out, not sure?) only 20 to 25%, maybe a bit more, of data. So is this an exrapolation? They don’t say.
20 May 2021.
The CDC changes its criteria (e.g. vaxxed ppl will no longer be counted as Cov-infected if mild symptoms for ex.), France backwardates its stats…
All this is ordered by certain ppl / corps / groups from above. One can’t doubt that any longer. The obfuscations, shoddy defs., fraudulent data collection / categorisation, blatant manipulations of numbers, etc. are beyond the pale.
Exs. to quote. Mini numbers, re. vax. – 18 vs. 0.
Worse, 4 vs. 0:
Vax, wow super! 100% efficacity! Because only 4 – four! Out of 3,700 adolescents ‘got covid’ – > .all the 4 were in the placebo group.
Academic math-n-stats basics (taught in EU from grade 5 – 6 on, measurement and categorisation, etc.), ordinary logic, ‘basic’ common sense, have been surpressed, cancelled (to adopt the modern terms) via massive fear-inducedment, threats, wielding of Authority by Gvmts. I’ll stop there for now.
Yeadon <-> V. D. Bossche
Oh Man, that is all that was needed to confuse things further and cheeze ppl off – Contra-da-mainstream-BS figures like Bossche and Yeadon, quarelling in public!
They are not experienced in messaging, in politicking, in influencing, and are filled with ego-hubris, even to the point of adopting a kind of missionary role.
Not that I blame them for it in any way, as an outsider that role is practically imposed, is almost impossible to escape. Both are essential figures worthy of attention, and are brave. (The PTB I suspect counts on these kinds of snarls.)
They should just do a Zoomie, or meet in Amsterdam, (ha ha) and agree to an agenda of (say) 10 points, both stating, we disagree on ‘some stuff’, science evolves, moves (heh assumed is forward but backwards happens too) others can be discussed.
Meanwhile, the 10 points listing the essentials, on their position re. the vaxxes could be:
Until more data comes in and more thorough, clever analysis / different theoretical approaches are compared (1) .. Vaxxes are useless, they don’t shield, protect, and may even be dangerous, in that .. (low level expl.)
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1. The data is shoddy, unreliable, corrupted and not useful in any case, another problem…
Varied links. Bloggish:
Vaccine safety updates from Lockdown Sceptics.
Instituted Science:
Excess deaths associated with covid-19 pandemic in 2020: age and sex disaggregated time series analysis in 29 high income countries.
(excess deaths are practically the only stat. worth paying attention to.)
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1137
MSM, Daily Mail:
388 people aged under 60 with ‘NO underlying health conditions’ have died of Covid in England’s hospitals.
A link to share re. Yeadon, interview, about one hour, on Delingpod.
Lays out the basics of his thoughts, his conclusions.
Tom Murphy, phys. prof. USA, of Do The Math Blog, …
I used to read on occasion, v. good, then he stopped posting, so I forgot about him.
A new post is up: Why worry about Collapse? with a free book.
link to the PDF book: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/9js5291m#chapter.20
I haven’t read it yet but it surely is worth a look, see his previous posts.
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Imho, the Corona Virus debacle and horrors (besides its origins, another question) are an integral part of a pre-collapse / dire-straits situation.
The virus has provoked spiked (sic) and wildly over-reacting moves from many of those in power.
Meaning Gvmts., Corporations, Professional Cabals, Industries, and a few other, more shadowy actors / groups.
It has created (or, has been used to instigate!) a kind of rumbling, churning chaos where some parties find and latch onto opportunities (never let a good crisis go to waste), such as the MSM, who profit from scares and horrors, and their role as PTB lackeys (“you NEED us”); Big Pharma making out like bandits – an incredible bonanza, surely calculated, planned, in part; Gvmts. who like to control citizens with ‘rules’ and now ‘apps’; Big Corps like Amazon killing off small biz. And more.
Others, dependent on very complex networks, that are interrupted or disturbed, like the Aviation Industry, lose out.
Basically the idea of the winners (as they hope) is to frighten and control ppl, and get them to accept whatever the powerful might feel like imposing. Dwindling ressources mean that ordinary ppl can no longer pay (they are unemployed or not paid enough) for the ‘usual’ comfort, like a room of one’s own, hot water for a bath, fresh fruit. The downscaling can be blamed on Nature (a virus), and attendant measures, to ‘save’ ppl, aka lockdowns, stopping travel, etc.
Palestine. ..
The ‘Wes’t has perpetually fostered the miserable, desperate, deathly, condition of the Palestinians. (Note, the ‘Arab’ states have not helped, another point for another day. Bunch of hypcorites. Thought the Houthis have sworn support!)
Palestinians, particularly in Gaza, are kept alive in part by UNRWA, biggest contributor, Germany, via UN etc. (for NGOs see link.)
In terms of employees, it is by far the largest UN agency. Its site says ‘more than 30K employees’, the more realistic number, often quoted, is 40K. Compare with WHO, much in the news these days, seen as powerful, with 7K (spread all over the world.)
UNRWA’s employees are of course Palestinians (though their site emphasises int. coop. etc.) – teachers, doctors, nurses, coordinators, basic health workers, community services, cleaners, etc. The salaries paid out offer subsistence to a huge no. of families. On their site they say they ‘assist and protect’ 5.7 million (call it 6!) Pal. refugees. (Yes, in UN Parlance, the Pals. are ‘refugees’…many of them on their own land, err ..?)
Blithely ignored is that Israel controls what does or does not enter Gaza, like food. Food! *Israel controls the border*, in accordance with the Oslo accords, the Paris Protocol! The linked article isn’t too good, but it raises some of the important questions, while sort of dithering around in tepid sob-story journo fashion. (Couldn’t find better on the mo.) Does the UN, the EU, object to that? Oh no!
Another major scam / control mech., which applies to the West Bank (don’t know about Gaza) is that any ‘works’, infrastrucutre, building, roads, whatever, has to be given out to tender and Israeli authorities decide who gets the contract. In short, Israel demolishes a school, donors pay for it to be re-built, and an Isr. co. gets the contract, builds with crap shoddy materials, and… Isr. smashes it again. I used to donate to a school – it was demolished 3 times!
I could go on, main point: What the legislation is, what the USuk, EU, support is, is kept in the shadows by MSM reporting of the spectacle of war, conflict, atrocities, the endless ‘oppo’ between, pick your vocab – Israelis vs. Muslim Terrorists, Palestinians vs. Anglo-Zionists, etc. – that ‘can’t be resolved’, etc. etc.
wiki, mentions quarrels about what NGO is ‘terrorist’ or ‘political’ and thus “can’t” be funded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_NGOs_Network
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/food-first-frontier-israeli-palestinian-conflict
Dr. D. previous thread:
It’s also not black and white. What is miasma theory, medieval theory? That invisible “bad spirits” would be taken in via the breath and nose and make you sick. Where does it come from? Rot, swamps, dead things, sick people.
… That’s germ theory. That’s exactly what we believe today, except instead of being invisible, entirely non-physical self-directed beings, they are invisible, untouchable, tangible self-directed beings. (…) People weren’t stupid before 1980, or 1800, or 1600, we just like mocking, belittling, and mis-attributing them.
Miasma theory was good, in the sense that much disease was, is, transmitted ‘thru the air’ – areosols – e.g. Tuberculosis, long known. As is Covid-19 today.
At first, the WHO did not consider, accept this, it was all about ‘droplets’ (e.g. ppl coughing on one another, smearing snot on door handles or whatever.. leading for ex. to in the UK having sex or hugging being practically banned..!), therefore handwashing, hand purification, social distancing.
Masks were not advised. Then at some point WHO added ‘masks’ as a preventative because ‘areosols’ (particles that can float about for a long while in the air and travel round and about, thru ducts, pipes, blown about by air conditioning, or merely in a closed, poorly ventilated rooms, etc.) became an accepted means of tranmission, as there was *no other way* to explain ‘rapid spread.’
See > Wired article, in top post.
WHO officials prefer *low level advice* which doesn’t require much effort, expenditure, strictures, to implement. “Don’t disturb” the PTB is the guiding line. WHO can’t advocate the complicated stuff. They can’t advise strong / rigorous/ etc. measures, as they are bought up by Corps, who need a free hand.
Ppl who said cov-19 ‘was airborne’ (unprecise) were vilified, they were thrown off boards, meetings, etc.
Prof. Didier Raoult, an “infectologue”, virologist, the head of a major hospital + research facility in Marseille, France, demonised by the F. PTB / med ‘establishment’ for recommending hydroxychloroquine +, bashing Remdesevir, and pointing a finger at corruption in BigPharma (etc.) has a vid out that treats the (CPR pos. at reasonable cycle no) patients that his facility has treated for COV-19 (majority are out-patients) who have been vaxxed.
They have seen 350 vaxxed patients, and according to the stats from this one facility that is ‘significant’ (statistically so he means), i.e. the vax has something to do with, is related to ‘infection.’ They saw 46 patients who fell ill after the first dose …Also from his numbers, he reckons the ‘protection’ afforded by the vax is around 50%, which he says is congruent with the literature if one reads it carefully. (Ok..) Those two points sound contradictory but aren’t…
The vax / no-vax comparison (webinar, F) shows 9,205 non-vax patients and 350 vax, from 1 Jan to 7 May 2021 (Me: possibly close to representing % of vax population during this time span? -> F is not a high vax country, and ramping up has been sluggish. In Jan ‘say’ nobody was vaxxed.)
Hospitalised is identical, 4%, death also, 1%. The vax patients are a bit older (to be expected, older ppl more vaxxed), and far more diabetic, but not more obese.
The West’s suffering is due to for-profit education, healthcare and war.
— Vietnam Vet.
Yes, but maybe some of us didn’t estimate, gauge, the damage correctly. (Not me, been screaming about this for 20 years..)
I think we badly misjudged how corrupt our so called top health officials are.
— WES.
Yes, I was very surprised by the reaction in CH. It was really a shock, if with slowish build-up. I didn’t anticipate the swift compliance, media frenzy, etc. Luckily I am not alone.
from top:
Forget about herd immunity through vaccines. Not going to happen. Your immune system will have to do the job.
I see NO evidence for the efficacy of any of the COV19 vaccines.
As for the trials that have been published / read by me, they are not convincing, but then my standards are extremely high for these kinds of studies: out-to-lunch are, super planning of samples, and their description; timing, follow up of ‘symptoms’ / tests performed, type of, etc.
If anyone has some data which is ++ for vaxxes, I would be happy to see it, I’d even like to believe in it, maybe I’m missing something, a lot? Sincere question, I’m not a virologist, not a doc.
If I appear to be focussed on picky detail, and to be hankering after methodological purity in ‘studies’, that isn’t the case, or not generally, only so for these examples of extremely shoddy work with big numbers. (I’m all for reporting, and taking into account, observational studies. on even 20 patients.)
Ex.:
A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
The no. of cases are too small to make that judgment call or tout percentages. Plus, one has to note how ‘cases’ were identified and thus tallied -> see paper.
Old ground I know, yet it deserves repeating. Its worse than rubbish as it is deliberately constructed / organised to tout a product and obfuscate.
–> Extra snarls created, once such BS is accepted, others jump on the bandwagon, and use the same ‘methods’, calculating in the same way, as that Big Pharma Co got away with it, we can too! We can compete!
Here the death toll World, from the FT (corona articles free to read.)
Of course reporting is overall bad, deaths ‘with Cov19’ (UK), deaths not logged (other places), etc. Who knows if this chart represents reality or the picture some would like to put forward? Anyway here it is, and shows…resurgence.
On, …why has Net. allowed a palestinian uprising? …
General Sit: US – Isr. relations
— Joe B. waited a long time before calling Netanyahu!
— The US recognized the Armenian Genocide. (Contra Isr. as it claims the ultimate, crowned, victim status, others aren’t allowed. Erdogan was furious too…)
— Human Rights Watch has declared Israel an Apartheid State. Kenneth Roth did some TV interviews explaining, MSM interviewers expressed incredulity and disapproval.
— Joe B. has not yet nominated a US ambassador to Israel! The chargé d’affaires J. Shrier is doing the job.
— “Aid” to Palestinians cut by Trump has been restored. (Most goes to UNWRA, positive in the present state of affairs. The sums are pitifully small.)
— Efforts made to return to the JCPOA (Nuke deal with Iran, cancelled by Trump, negotiated by Kerry): Iran has even stated that the “US is serious” in the negotiations, surprising. While this looks like superficial ‘cancel Trump – return to Obama era’ it is definetly not totally excluded that some kind of re-arrangement transpires.
And then, for whatever reason(s) (maybe some of the above, or see post at top), a new conflagration is lit, and we see Israel directly murdering on vid. clips, with Israelis cheering in orgies of hate.
The WH spokesman, Ned Price, gave out the usual spiel about ‘Israel has the right to defend itself from vicious rockets’ (not a direct quote) but also said Palestinians have the right to security. Blinken is sending someone to talk to ‘de-escalate, tamp down the conflict’ – of course he should have gone himself.
To sum up: The signals are contradictory and it appears that no coherent policy is laid down, and various different impulses (classical Zionist neo-con, neo-lib anti-racist IDpol, alliance with KSA, and more) are clashing.
Human Rights Watch Report https://bit.ly/2SKRVUR
(Worth sending on, to those who have no clue, and those who seek some ‘legitimation.’ HRW is respected in the Anglo sphere, right?)
Roth interviewed by CNN. https://bit.ly/3tL3W9J
aid to Palestine:
I skimmed thru the WHO report on cov19 Origins (download at link 1.) I read 2 summaries, one by a virologist. Of interest as well, a long interview of Brice Perrier (a scribbler, not a doc / scientist, acceptable, imho) who has written a book about cov19 origins which I intend to read, link 3, in French.
Btw, why aren’t there a whole slew of books published about cov-19, how to resist it, save your marriage from it, feed your kiddos the proper foods, adapt to the new normal, etc. etc.…? 🙂 (Because only the vaxx affords salvation, protection, safety, love..)
N.B. the report is a joint WHO-China Study. 17 experts from WHO, and 17 Chinese experts.
N.B. Tedros has stated that more investigation is needed (link 2).
Bowlderized summary. (Many details of interest in the report, other story.)
Most Likely. A zoonotic origin. /From bat —> / to cat, rabbit, mink, other. The pangolin is not favored.
Possible. Direct transmission from bats possible! (Here the 96% identity with the RaTG13 virus that infected the miners cleaning up in the mine in 2012 and which killed 3 of them is mentioned.)
Very unlikely, or downright odd. Transmission by frozen food to China in 2019 originating in some animal reservoir (not in China.)
Extremely improbable but can’t be excluded. Escape from a a lab.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
link > WHO: https://bit.ly/3tMzN9Y
Societies on the down-and-out do tend to develop irrational (hmmm… that would take defining reason) behavior, oing for excess, crazes, turbulence, to put it mildly.
Continuing.. There is a traditional, but kinda modernist view all the same, in the devp. world, that when things go to sh*t, ‘violence’ increases – it is defined as ‘crime’ – i.e. looting, theft, person-on-person violence, mass shootings of the crazed lone gunman type, small groups (like drug runners, or aspiring Mafia types) getting into fights, shooting things out in the street, domestic violence increasing, women on the bad end, hold ups, petty theft, car hikacks, and so on, everyone knows about this, it is the deplorables driven to despair or skilfully looking for oppos to gain advantage / sadistically harm others / let their most violent selves have sway for revenge, and so on.
Right-i-o!
This restricted, blinkered (sic) pov ignores the possible excesses of those in power, who when they feel threatened are actually more easily sucked into and dominated by group-think, as they are ‘the top’, form a ‘class’ that wields more leverage, is more closely knit, communicates ‘the truth’ to its members, satellites, offshoots, adherents. And ropes all of them in…
The idea that in 2020, a primitive seeking out of scapegoats, hypocritical yet hearfelt (yes, I know..), from jeering blame > an important power (Russia 3x) at the top, accompanied with way below, crowd-triumph re. a few horrible ppl (ex. Weinstein, Chauvin..) is happening, is easy to accept. That doesn’t seem too ‘special’ .. unfortunately. (It does require thrashing the old ideas of nation states and diplomacy..)
But what of human sacrifice? (See ppl deprived of easy covid treatment.) In huge numbers? That surely is 3 steps up. What of the catharsis thru condemning to death many, many ppl, old, disabled, sick, young, handicapped? It is a bit like the burning of witches – with the blatant aggro public display part (burning) transmogrified by tech-sci-speak, false stats, and “oh we all have to BE safe.” Made official in the ‘no treatment’ possible, the ‘do not ressucitate’ orders (covered up, in Britain and Sweden), etc.
The past is not a different country..
The last parag of my failed post.
The sarscov2 virus has been around for quite some time, since July 2019 at least (various analyses from EU) … a spike of serious cases in / around Wuhan alerted the docs there (they were at first ignored, then repressed) to a ‘novel virus’.
So the ‘origins’ as in ppl falling seriously sick, first in Wuhan, leading to the speculation of the virus coming from the Wuhan lab (in any case nothing to do with the wet market) is questionable. Many labs were doing Gain of Function Research, it is whole globalised circuit, intricate, and quite secret, i.e. not openly reported on. The China vs. West narrative is kinda soothing, standard, and serves to distract, send ppl to sleep. If the virus ‘escaped’ from a lab (i.e. was deliberately created, which I consider v. likely) it could be from many places, or in a very much more complex scenario than the simple ‘created in Wuhan’ story-board.
Another link I posted in the piece that didn’g go thru.
A 2020 article about the 6 Chinese miners who fell ill, strange pneumonia, 3 died, in 2012, there is a link to the original masters thesis in it, which I posted long ago.
The ‘origins’ stretch back that far.
Lethal Pneumonia Cases in Mojiang Miners (2012) and the Mineshaft Could Provide Important Clues to the Origin of SARS-CoV-2
I tried to post a long thingie about the origins of sarscov2, but as happens often, my post doesn’t show – too many links, link shorteners, whatever.
so here is just one link,
Yuri Deigin
which is a first must read on this question.
papanca: Several days ago it was reported in Naked Capitalism that the Indian government had approved the use of Ivermectin nation-wide. (..) I haven’t been able to find another mention of this on the Internet. (..) ?
Nation-wide, idk, but see:
India’s ‘miraculous’ ivermectin COVID treatment is only $3 per person
Subsequently there was a crack down on ivermectin as one can see in the press. Which has been interpreted as one might expect, see for ex.
When India stopped prescribing Ivermectin and started vaccinating the deaths shot up
Big Pharma has been dreaming of a such a situation for a long time, and no doubt moved many chess pieces around to achieve it.
Right in the tradition of Mini Pharma, that is, traditionally, since many millenia, making a mint out of selling snake-oil remedies, for real and imaginary ills – ppl hope and pray and believe, and spend their saved, or even last pennies, on ineffective (but usually anodyne, no harm) medecines, treatments, donations, actions.
Medium Pharma in the ‘modern’ world (from say 1900 on) is another story – that takes infiltration into the medical field via ‘control’ (lobbying, corruption) of Gvmts / top authorities, despots, to set payoffs, standards, ways of doing, institutional rules; playing a big role in the organisation of Health Care, which besides ‘drugs’ / ‘medicines’ includes holding clinics, hospitals, and very important, medical equipment and machinery; laboratory analysis services; all of which generate tremendous profits. (Health insurance is left off, other issue.) Advisory and informational control (by the CDC, USA, for ex.) is a key element.
Big Pharma incorporates the scams of all the above. To their best advantage. Gvmts, such as that of Trump, or now Biden, Johnson, Macron, etc. (as ‘heads’, the structure below them corrupted and very weak) are sitting prey, as having been co-opted by large Corporations, who prefer puppets hoisted front stage to be ‘the’ targets, to taking on any public role themselves.
The easy out, the smooth excuse of ‘the vax’ to be ‘fix’ was, is, as we have seen, immediately, even frantically, adopted – in first place by USUK-isr. (Other places have high vax nos, like Bahrein, Seychelles, yes. But these 3 countries stand out.) If it all turns to sh**, Gvmts will blame poor info, lack of knowlege, “Nature” (variants, etc.), bad public behavior (non-compliance) with a straight face.
As for darker plots behind the scenes, no doubt they exist (imho) but what they are exactly is opaque, veiled, imho. (Meaning Idk what to say about it.)
One pov….
Arte:
Provence and the Black Death.
“In the Vaucluse mountains, a long dry stone wall runs the length of the landscape. This is a wall erected against an invisible enemy: the plague. In the 18th century, a massive outbreak wiped out a third of the population of Marseille, and today, the wall still stands as a monument to the many victims of that epidemic.”
Here French with eng subs. 14 mins.
https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/102870-003-A/provence-and-the-black-death/
Some Extra Links. All worth a look, imho.
*MSM* (and such articles aare becoming more frequent as far as I can tell), the Standard, UK:
More than 500 people admitted to hospital with coronavirus after getting vaccinated
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-vaccine-uk-500-admitted-hospital-b932792.html
So-called ‘opposition’ or ‘dissident’ MSM on the Intertubes, UK.
A Vaxxing Question, from Off Guardian.
“Science” …:
SARS-CoV-2-derived peptides define heterologous and COVID-19-induced T cell recognition
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-020-00808-x.pdf
A Cross-Country Analysis of the Determinants of Covid-19 Fatalities
CESifo Working Paper No. 902
Germ, above, re. the patient leaflet information, a legal snarl coming up in *Europe*:
Consent has to be given by individuals to get vaxxed. In France it is even required to sign a form, though that is not well respected, whatever…In any case Big Pharma is protected, has been granted a no-liability pass, so the State is responsible.. hmmm… for what exactly?
Adverse envents and their results? Suicide? Life-long handicap? -> All this will surface.
What is the legal situation when e.g. a Work-Place (Private Co. Perrier or MYNEWmachINE..) makes the vax obligatotory for ‘all workers’ ?
These are then coerced to comply with conditions that officially until now employers could not impose; that employees can only agree to as based on their individual conscience; and that cannot, in principle, affect other aspects of their lives, such as being allowed to grow a vegetable garden, use public transport, etc.
I expect that ‘sanitary’ arguments (need for vax, social dist, etc.) will override all the other legislation, which will create voids, aka major craters in Labor Laws. Hysteria about Cov19 will destroy much labor, employee protection – re. Europe. On the lines of never let a good crisis go to waste. (From an ex-Union boss.)
Adverse Effects of Cov-Vaxes, UK. (as it has at least some nos.)
The lack of tracking, the confusion, and ‘dirty’ reporting, summarizing, and media take-up is an ABSOLUTE scandal.
Attempting a rough estimate. /all dates 2021/
Lancet, April 27. Vaccine side-effects and SARS-CoV-2 infection after vaccination in users of the COVID Symptom Study app in the UK: a prospective observational study.
(…) quote:
Systemic side-effects were reported by 13·5% (38 155 of 282 103) of individuals after the first dose of BNT162b2, by 22·0% (6216 of 28 207) after the second dose of BNT162b2, and by 33·7% (116 473 of 345 280) after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Local side-effects were reported by 71·9% (150 023 of 208 767) of individuals after the first dose of BNT162b2, by 68·5% (9025 of 13 179) after the second dose of BNT162b2, and by 58·7% (104 282 of 177 655) after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Systemic side-effects were more common (1·6 times after the first dose of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and 2·9 times after the first dose of BNT162b2) among individ (…)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00224-3/fulltext
That is certainly a lot of side-effects! 😉
Problem. 1) Lumping together trivial side-effects (sore arm 3 days), with more debilitating ‘non-serious’ effects, plus no classification of ‘serious effects’ (or no good summary thereof..). This is deliberate obfuscation, everybody knows that understanding moon rocks, ant colonies, male baldness, etc. – requires as a first step, a 6-category scheme as a good starting point, which of course might be somewhat ambiguous, indeterminate, etc., except for, in this case, cat. 7 which is ‘death.’ Doctors, healers, have done this since the dawn of time.. Geez…
2) Encouraged / helped along / mandatory reporting by docs should be part of the scheme, but is *never* mentioned or advocated for.
Going further is dodgy imho.
Note, stats. re. UK vax are not too bad. From Our World in Data. Vax started Jan. 3.:
At least one dose (adults): Feb 28, 30%, May 1, 50%.
That’s a lot!
Ppl (again I presume adults), May 1, fully vaxxed, 23%.
Vax doses given, May 2, 50 million
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
So, what about the adverse effects?
The data is so shoddy it is hazardous to even take a stab. (sic!) Under-reporting cannot be estimated.
One effort, from Daily Exposé.
Another, from prev. thread, posted by Ilargi.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/12-million-possible-adverse-events-after-vaccination-uk-gerry-brady/
I gave up. But I will keep on trying. Effects > adverse are usually weighed against effects > desired (not that I’m keen on such a comparison in all situations, it’s a kind of creepy neo-lib accounting), such as immunity… I guess we have to wait, and may do so for a loooong time…
Thx to Germ for vids. on previous thread. I listened to the one with the nurses – horrific.
(see also above, not read before posting this)
Dr. Jackie Stone interview, on the use of Ivermectin in Zimbabwe.
31 mins. in eng with F subtitles. Apr 2021.
Jackie Stone vid. series (eng.)
Ilargi wrote: One might have expected that as the Covid drama unfolds, the world would return to its scientific senses. But the opposite appears to be happening, we’re moving away from our senses. Fear is a bad advisor.
Fear is a bad advisor for sure, but there is more to it than that.
Establishing and using or following “Science” (in its good and generally accepted parts), ‘common sense’, ‘established practices’ (assuming these to be more or less suited to the times, appreciated, and not directly harmful as far as is known..), as well as following **the law** all takes a long time to build up. Centuries, for some components thereof.
It takes time to investigate, notice things, obtain a concensus, make practices wide-spread, set up, ‘vote in’ or decree, directives, laws, instill adherence to them, create control mechanismsthat work, etc.
Conversely, to break away, to create, or impose, extraordinary or wild exceptions, to ignore large sections of established functioning, to negate what went before with propaganda, to spread confusion and grab power, can be, and *usually* is, accomplished rapidly. In some cases as a !Surprise! in others, a slow build up that finally tips one state (condition) to another via some threshold marker.
Pharma Cos. have managed the latter, they have been trying for a long time to corrupt, aka buy and control ‘State’ and ‘Intl’ orgs that ‘hamper, corral’ them somewhat, and they have finally succeeded with Cov19. (Independently of where the virus arose, escaped, or was tossed out the window.)
The Seneca effect, or ‘crash down effect’ then takes hold, so many regs. / rules, are junked, the downslope is astonishingly steep, on many measures… a plunge down to abysmal lows, aka zero on whatever one’s treasured measure.
Then, the ripple effects -> interaction horrors set in. X rule no longer holds? Ppl need not…abc? The social contract is broken. Go for it, profit, subjugate…
Ppl don’t expect it, and after a week, a month, or two?, wake up to a changed world. X med / research rules, criteria, no longer apply; the media can lie about anything in any manner they favor and no longer pretend; Ppl can be killed in the street with impunity; looters and burglars are not arrested; Policemen wield machine guns; a pass is needed to buy bread for a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_effect (very poor wiki, just to show what the ref. was.)
I’m having a dark day. Heh.
Warning: Musings, ramble.
On Kunstler etc. The Biden s-election (stolen without any doubt) continues to puzzle me.
A decrepit establishment figure is often nominated as ‘Head’ in systems where ‘one party’ or ‘one family’, ‘one large group’ (for ex., royals) serve to show continuity, stability, ‘party’ adherence, a guarantee of the system’s continuation — > Rule by dominant committee and the top cadres. The cadres, the families, the lower rungs, will continue to be paid. See for ex. Andropov, USSR (though afaik he wasn’t senile). A more interesting example which combines tradition and pretend renewal is M. Bin Salman, a totally scripted move, doomed to fail btw.
The Biden admin shows strong signs (evident in Dem. stances for a long time) of radicalisation into ‘woke’ politics, making race, racism, and assorted IDPOL issues top of the agenda, coupled with some moves resembling the ‘European left’ (I consider the French Socialists, Keir Starmer’s Labor, US Democrats, overall the Third-Wayers, Clintonites all, traitors to a peoples, workers, egalitarian, causes..), e.g. higher taxation for the rich, investment in infrastructure (though that doesn’t amount to much imho, other story), and some green energy posturing.
The recognition of the Armenian genocide is right in the ‘victims of racism’ direction. That genocide was real, recognizing it goes against NATO Turkey and Israel, as Isr. postures as the top victim.
Along the IDPOL line I read that the Biden admin. supports trans-men competing in F sports (no idea about the details or how far that goes) and this again is in favor of anyone constructing their own ‘identity’ and all ‘victims’ have to be ‘helped.’
A stance of moral superiority is adopted. Very cultural-revolution like.
Antifa and BLM are /Dem party, donors/ supported, while Occupy Wall Street was destroyed by Obama (or by its own internal contradictions.) Meanwhile, those in charge are Gvmt-Corp-Milit-other and that isn’t about to change, though the mostly white ‘directorate’ is now supposed to be filled with self-loathing to become ‘more diverse’. (In France, several ‘Arab’ ppl were co-opted to appear front stage and on TV — total manipulation imho..)
Claiming the moral high ground often signals that other rubrics – of governance, “growth”, technological, scientific, milit. supremacy, happiness of the ppl – is out of reach, scrapped. Screeching about wrong, bad, values of opponents replaces bread (a decent life) for the people, heh, cake and all that. It signals weakness, which everyone in the world now sees.
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This interview of Maria Zakharova, she says the West is living in fantasy land, is worth a watch. She brings up Assange and hypocrisy…*Eng simult. trans.* From RT.
